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Hello,
I was given the name of your group by the Belgian Consulate in New York. My mother, Annette Ansay Burke, will turn 80 in December of 2021. She was born to a man named Albert Jean Ansay who emigrated to the United States. We believe he came from Lambermont in Belgium. We have traced him back to his arrival in New York aboard the Zeeland. From US records, we think his birth date was 13 May 1903. For my mother’s birthday, I would like to find out more about her family in Belgium. Would you be able to help me figure out how to do this? Ideally, when we can travel again, I’d like to go to Belgium with my mother so she can see the place her father’s family came from. I’m hoping to figure out where we should go, etc., before her birthday so I thought I should get started!
I did look around your website. The links for civil registers and parish registers are no longer working. Also, for the emigrants ships page, I think we could add the Zeeland in 1907, arriving from Antwerp to NYC. I’m not sure how to get the complete ships records – I only have the part with my grandfather and his family that I got from ancestry.com.
If you could help me figure out how to do research on the Belgian side of my mother’s family I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, I read through the more recent posts on this forum and saw the language discussion. Just to add to it, my grandfather spoke French (and also married a French Canadian as one other poster mentioned).
Thank you for any help you can provide, René Fester
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René my thanks to the Belgian Consulate for referring you to this listserv group. The website familysearch.org has online the film of the civil registration for the village of Lambermont, Liege, Belgium 1899-1910 so if you are correct about the location and date, Albert Jean Ansay's birth should be recorded. The site will require you to register but use is free. There is also a facebook group for the Belgian Researchers, and it is more active than the listserv. Hope you find what you are looking for. Heidi Arno On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 7:58 PM <rene.kratz@...> wrote:
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Regine Brindle
Hello Rene, I did not find any Ansay born in Lambermont in 1902, 1903 or 1904 Lambermont is their last residence, Population registers should help you find that answer but most are not available on FamilySearch or thru an archive. You may need t contact the town itself. You should contact from this page https://www.florenville.be/ma-ville/services-communaux/etat-civil-population Allow me to contact Hubert Barnich and Annette Biazot. They may have some good information. Our Facebook group might also be an easier way to connect if you like Facebook however there is a tree on Geneanet that indicates a birth at Lambermont it ties in with this entry in the book Luxembourgeois dans le monde, page 211, where Jean Ducat indicates - Jean Ansay, b 1870 Fontenoille, left from Muno in 1907 for Rhode Island - Jean Baptiste Ansay b 1850, Muno left in 1883 for OR - Arthur Ansay, b 1883, Muno, left in 1907 from Muno to RI Once you know where they were from using Familysearch as Heidi signaled should be a piece of cake. Registers of Fontenoille don't give the ANSAY you are looking for in 1903. Well, Albert Joseph ANSAY (misspelled in the tables) was born in Muno Note that his sister Flore appears there as well. Albert's parents marriage record found here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997F-SHS?i=118&cc=2138510&cat=1481760 (attaching a copy) His birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97F-SSPM?i=151&cc=2138510&cat=1481760 (attaching record) Glad to help further if you need more help though Regine Brindle
On Tuesday, October 27, 2020, 10:58:47 PM EDT, rene.kratz@... <rene.kratz@...> wrote:
Hello,
I was given the name of your group by the Belgian Consulate in New York. My mother, Annette Ansay Burke, will turn 80 in December of 2021. She was born to a man named Albert Jean Ansay who emigrated to the United States. We believe he came from Lambermont in Belgium. We have traced him back to his arrival in New York aboard the Zeeland. From US records, we think his birth date was 13 May 1903. For my mother’s birthday, I would like to find out more about her family in Belgium. Would you be able to help me figure out how to do this? Ideally, when we can travel again, I’d like to go to Belgium with my mother so she can see the place her father’s family came from. I’m hoping to figure out where we should go, etc., before her birthday so I thought I should get started!
I did look around your website. The links for civil registers and parish registers are no longer working. Also, for the emigrants ships page, I think we could add the Zeeland in 1907, arriving from Antwerp to NYC. I’m not sure how to get the complete ships records – I only have the part with my grandfather and his family that I got from ancestry.com.
If you could help me figure out how to do research on the Belgian side of my mother’s family I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, I read through the more recent posts on this forum and saw the language discussion. Just to add to it, my grandfather spoke French (and also married a French Canadian as one other poster mentioned).
Thank you for any help you can provide, René Fester
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Regine Brindle
The birth record DOES state he was born in Lambermont, though the birth was recorded in nearby Muno
On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 1:12:18 AM EDT, Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...> wrote:
Hello Rene, I did not find any Ansay born in Lambermont in 1902, 1903 or 1904 Lambermont is their last residence, Population registers should help you find that answer but most are not available on FamilySearch or thru an archive. You may need t contact the town itself. You should contact from this page https://www.florenville.be/ma-ville/services-communaux/etat-civil-population Allow me to contact Hubert Barnich and Annette Biazot. They may have some good information. Our Facebook group might also be an easier way to connect if you like Facebook however there is a tree on Geneanet that indicates a birth at Lambermont it ties in with this entry in the book Luxembourgeois dans le monde, page 211, where Jean Ducat indicates - Jean Ansay, b 1870 Fontenoille, left from Muno in 1907 for Rhode Island - Jean Baptiste Ansay b 1850, Muno left in 1883 for OR - Arthur Ansay, b 1883, Muno, left in 1907 from Muno to RI Once you know where they were from using Familysearch as Heidi signaled should be a piece of cake. Registers of Fontenoille don't give the ANSAY you are looking for in 1903. Well, Albert Joseph ANSAY (misspelled in the tables) was born in Muno Note that his sister Flore appears there as well. Albert's parents marriage record found here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-997F-SHS?i=118&cc=2138510&cat=1481760 (attaching a copy) His birth record https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L97F-SSPM?i=151&cc=2138510&cat=1481760 (attaching record) Glad to help further if you need more help though Regine Brindle
On Tuesday, October 27, 2020, 10:58:47 PM EDT, rene.kratz@... <rene.kratz@...> wrote:
Hello,
I was given the name of your group by the Belgian Consulate in New York. My mother, Annette Ansay Burke, will turn 80 in December of 2021. She was born to a man named Albert Jean Ansay who emigrated to the United States. We believe he came from Lambermont in Belgium. We have traced him back to his arrival in New York aboard the Zeeland. From US records, we think his birth date was 13 May 1903. For my mother’s birthday, I would like to find out more about her family in Belgium. Would you be able to help me figure out how to do this? Ideally, when we can travel again, I’d like to go to Belgium with my mother so she can see the place her father’s family came from. I’m hoping to figure out where we should go, etc., before her birthday so I thought I should get started!
I did look around your website. The links for civil registers and parish registers are no longer working. Also, for the emigrants ships page, I think we could add the Zeeland in 1907, arriving from Antwerp to NYC. I’m not sure how to get the complete ships records – I only have the part with my grandfather and his family that I got from ancestry.com.
If you could help me figure out how to do research on the Belgian side of my mother’s family I would greatly appreciate it.
Also, I read through the more recent posts on this forum and saw the language discussion. Just to add to it, my grandfather spoke French (and also married a French Canadian as one other poster mentioned).
Thank you for any help you can provide, René Fester
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Sabrina
Hello René,
You're wrong when you say Lambermont. Tha Ansay family is coming from Libramont.
I 'll check this with a friend coming from Libramont and named Ansay
Regards
Sabrina
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Regine Brindle
Hello Sabrina, Thank You for finding the Ansay in Libramont but Rene is not wrong saying Lambermont, which is a part of the town of Muno. I made the same mistake until I came across the tree on Geneanet as referenced in my response. In the meantime, Annette Biazot and Hubert Barnich both contacted me to help verify all the information Rene and the site both showed. The reference to Muno was the key. Annette attached the marriage record as well and this will help push the research back as it attaches it to the Geneanet tree referred to in my reply. Thank You for your reply! Regine
On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 9:26:49 AM EDT, Sabrina <holodsab@...> wrote:
Hello René,
You're wrong when you say Lambermont. Tha Ansay family is coming from Libramont.
I 'll check this with a friend coming from Libramont and named Ansay
Regards
Sabrina
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Regine Brindle
Here is Annette's reply --- J'ai consulté mes relevés réalisés dans les années 1990 dans la
commune de Muno dont Lambermont était un hameau. Il y a des Ansay
à Lambermont (Muno) et à Fontenoille.
Voici ce que j'avais trouvé dans les registres de population de Muno (Lambermont et Watrinsart)
ANSAY Jean maçon RP Lt 1901 folio 529 O Fontenoille 28-11-1870 fils de …………………… X Muno 27-12-1902 EMOND Marie O Muno 06-09-1876 fille de ………………
Enfants ANSAY-EMOND : Joseph-Albert O Muno 13-05-1903 Flore-Cécile O Muno 25-05-1905 Partis pour Natick RI le 15-03-1907 Les registres de population se trouvent aux archives de l'Etat et ceux de moins de 120 ans ne peuvent plus être consultés. Je joins l'acte de Mariage des parents et celui de la naissance de Joseph-Albert Ansay. J e chercherai aussi dans les registres paroissiaux dont les copies se trouvent dans ma cave. J'espère que ces quelques renseignements pourront vous aider. Amicalement. Le 28-10-20 à 06:12, Regine Brindle a
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rene.kratz@...
Thank you all so much for these tips!
Heidi, I don't do FB much, but I will join the group there so I can check in occasionally. Regine....wow! I believe this is my great-grandfather: "Jean Ansay, b 1870 Fontenoille, left from Muno in 1907 for Rhode Island" And I think this is my grandfather: "Well, Albert Joseph ANSAY (misspelled in the tables) was born in Muno" -- his sister was indeed named Flore, so the marriage and birth records are probably the right ones! And that you for contacting your friend, Annette (my mother's name). Glad I can read French. :) Also, I do come from Rhode Island. Sabrina, I got Lambermont from the record of the Zeeland arriving in NYC. Before these emails, I wasn't sure if I was even close. (Someone in my family used to say my grandfather came from Luxembourg....but I think that was a mistake. It seems Regine is pulling the right people because the names match.) This is really exciting for me, thanks again. I'm going to look at all of this more closely . Can't wait to share with my mother. Rene |
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rene.kratz@...
Hmmm...when I am typing in these places, Luxembourg does pop up. As in Muno is a province of Luxembourg. So, the family stories may have been correct. (It's always been confusing...Luxembourg the country or Luxembourg the province?) I think I need to brush up on my Belgian geography so I understand the different provinces and which towns are in each!
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Regine Brindle
Rene, click on the links I sent. Yes these places are in the Luxembourg Province of Belgium
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 1:31:14 AM EDT, <rene.kratz@...> wrote:
Hmmm...when I am typing in these places, Luxembourg does pop up. As in Muno is a province of Luxembourg. So, the family stories may have been correct. (It's always been confusing...Luxembourg the country or Luxembourg the province?) I think I need to brush up on my Belgian geography so I understand the different provinces and which towns are in each! Rene |
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Regine Brindle
Did you see the records both Annette Biazot and I attached?
On Thursday, October 29, 2020, 1:01:42 AM EDT, rene.kratz@... <rene.kratz@...> wrote:
Thank you all so much for these tips! Heidi, I don't do FB much, but I will join the group there so I can check in occasionally. Regine....wow! I believe this is my great-grandfather: "Jean Ansay, b 1870 Fontenoille, left from Muno in 1907 for Rhode Island" And I think this is my grandfather: "Well, Albert Joseph ANSAY (misspelled in the tables) was born in Muno" -- his sister was indeed named Flore, so the marriage and birth records are probably the right ones! And that you for contacting your friend, Annette (my mother's name). Glad I can read French. :) Also, I do come from Rhode Island. Sabrina, I got Lambermont from the record of the Zeeland arriving in NYC. Before these emails, I wasn't sure if I was even close. (Someone in my family used to say my grandfather came from Luxembourg....but I think that was a mistake. It seems Regine is pulling the right people because the names match.) This is really exciting for me, thanks again. I'm going to look at all of this more closely . Can't wait to share with my mother. Rene |
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Sabrina
Rene,
Your mail is turning into the Ansay Family ;-) They are looking to find who was Albert.
So, we have to wait
Regards
Sabrina
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mrcrow2u
Here is a ink to the Belgian archives. Was able to get most of my families back to about 1600 using this. https://search.arch.be/en/
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marsha Schott
Thank you. Can anything be done in English?
From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of mrcrow2u <mrcrow2u@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:30 PM To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] help getting started? Here is a ink to the Belgian archives. Was able to get most of my families back to about 1600 using this. https://search.arch.be/en/
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Regine Brindle
The default is in Dutch I believe. Have you tried using FamilySearch.org? Do not use the search engine as the index is way away from being done. Do a search for registers in the catalog and pick the register you want to research, like in the good old days of renting microfilms. The language is that of the original archive however so you will not get an automatic translation. Regine
On Sunday, November 8, 2020, 12:21:34 AM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:
Thank you. Can anything be done in English?
From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of mrcrow2u <mrcrow2u@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:30 PM To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] help getting started? Here is a ink to the Belgian archives. Was able to get most of my families back to about 1600 using this. https://search.arch.be/en/
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Guy Gallez
The site is in English, French and Dutch but the records are the original ones microfilmed and put on-line. Those microfilms are the same as those at Familysearch. For that site, as well as Familysearch, you have to register for having access to those microfilms. And those original records are in French or Dutch for Belgium !!! Le dim. 8 nov. 2020 à 06:21, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> a écrit :
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Guy Gallez
There is also https://en.geneanet.org/ There you'll find a lot of information concerning Belgian families already indexed, so you'll have not to deal with French or Dutch. You also have to subscribe. All those sites are free of charge. Le dim. 8 nov. 2020 à 06:21, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> a écrit :
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