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Re: publication of my book about belgo-american family links, SI LOIN D'ANVERS

Regine Brindle
 

Welcome!
It all sounds very interesting and we might like to add this information to a future copy of Belgian Laces, with your permission.

Thanks !

Regine Brindle

On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 09:44:41 AM EST, jletzter <jacquelineletzter@...> wrote:


Dear Belgian Researchers, 


I am delighted to announce the publication by l’Harmattan of my new book Si loin d’Anvers : La correspondance transatlantique de la famille StierThis is the second of my two books devoted to the correspondence of the Stier family from Antwerp with their American daughter.

 

Here is a short description:

 

This book presents the transatlantic correspondence (1803-1821) of a patrician family from Antwerp, whose youngest daughter overcame the difficulties of emigration, marrying an American and settling with him on a slave plantation in Maryland. Their letters read like a novel. They reveal how, on the eve of Belgium's independence, these refugees from the French Revolution, descendants of the painter Rubens, helped their daughter to assert an already clearly Belgian cultural specificity in the American capital.

 

The book, in French, can be ordered in paper or digital format on the site of les Editions Harmattan, and you can read the first 25 pages on the website to get an idea.

 

I hope this book will be a useful addition to your collection. Please feel free to forward this message to all interested friends, colleagues and librarians.


Cordially yours,

 

Jacqueline Letzter

Dr. Jacqueline Letzter
39, bd du Pape Jean XXIII
06300 Nice
France
Tél:  (+33) (0)9 50 76 46 29
jacquelineletzter@...


publication of my book about belgo-american family links, SI LOIN D'ANVERS

jletzter
 

Dear Belgian Researchers, 


I am delighted to announce the publication by l’Harmattan of my new book Si loin d’Anvers : La correspondance transatlantique de la famille StierThis is the second of my two books devoted to the correspondence of the Stier family from Antwerp with their American daughter.

 

Here is a short description:

 

This book presents the transatlantic correspondence (1803-1821) of a patrician family from Antwerp, whose youngest daughter overcame the difficulties of emigration, marrying an American and settling with him on a slave plantation in Maryland. Their letters read like a novel. They reveal how, on the eve of Belgium's independence, these refugees from the French Revolution, descendants of the painter Rubens, helped their daughter to assert an already clearly Belgian cultural specificity in the American capital.

 

The book, in French, can be ordered in paper or digital format on the site of les Editions Harmattan, and you can read the first 25 pages on the website to get an idea.

 

I hope this book will be a useful addition to your collection. Please feel free to forward this message to all interested friends, colleagues and librarians.


Cordially yours,

 

Jacqueline Letzter

Dr. Jacqueline Letzter
39, bd du Pape Jean XXIII
06300 Nice
France
Tél:  (+33) (0)9 50 76 46 29
jacquelineletzter@...


Re: Belgium language

Regine Brindle
 

Yes, you should contact Jose ...  This is what he has been working on for some time and wanted to reach the Wisconsin Belgians.

Jose, peux-tu les aider ? Il faut contacter Rebecca Derenne à belgianheritagecenter.org

Régine


On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 1:52, Steve Lampereur
<kb9mwr@...> wrote:
Sadly there hasn't been as much progress on the orthography here in Wisconsin as we had hoped. Kelly Biers work has been slow and our numbers of Walloon speakers are sadly dwindling.

Some discussion this evening was centered around trying to find someone (else) who could help document the recordings of words / phrases we have using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)..  And then writing a grant to help this happen.  Is there is anyone in Belgium who might be able to help?

Please email the belgianheritagecenter.org and ask Rebecca Derenne if you can help, she can give you a good run down of where we are at etc.

Thanks
Steve Lampereur






Re: Belgium language

Steve Lampereur
 

Sadly there hasn't been as much progress on the orthography here in Wisconsin as we had hoped. Kelly Biers work has been slow and our numbers of Walloon speakers are sadly dwindling.

Some discussion this evening was centered around trying to find someone (else) who could help document the recordings of words / phrases we have using the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA).. And then writing a grant to help this happen. Is there is anyone in Belgium who might be able to help?

Please email the belgianheritagecenter.org and ask Rebecca Derenne if you can help, she can give you a good run down of where we are at etc.

Thanks
Steve Lampereur


Fw: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh

marsha Schott
 




From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 1:36 PM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
Hello again,
Thanks to your help, I have found the family of my great grandmother's sister, Adelle Mestdagh.
I would like more information about my great grandmother's Clemence other sister and brother.
Henri Mesdagh was born 11 March 1861 in Mouscran, Belgium
Marie Cordula was born 1865?
They are children of Yvon Mesdagh and Barbe Therese Verdonck.
I would like any information that might help me find their lines
marriage, children, death, immigration.

I do have a question on my great grandmother, Clemence Mesdagh?
Did she leave Belgium for America alone? 

Thank you, Marsha Schott

From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:30 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
you're welcome

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:13:50 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Thank you so much for all your help


From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 10:58 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
It was a hard record to look at.
my eyes don't work great these days either but the handwriting was challenging.
I hope you got the information now.
Let me know if you would like more help.
The trees on Geneanet are great when they have been well researched and Mieke says this one is correct.

let us hear back from you!

Regine

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 1:50:52 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Hello Regine,

I am sorry, but I am not seeing what the family did for a living. I guess, I eed help with translation.

Thank you, Marsha




--
Marsha Schott

--
Marsha Schott

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Marsha Schott


Re: on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh

Elaine DeBaene-Putnam
 

MARSHA SCHOTT       RE MESTDAGH

I have a little so if any of these names can help you

Bertha Mestdagh 1903-1998
married a Dobbelaere
daughter of 
Alphonse Mestdagh and Emma DeBaene

Alphonse and Emma 
also had
Emerancia
Euphrasie
Florencia
Henri

There could be more that is what I have found so far








On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 4:36 PM marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:
Hello again,
Thanks to your help, I have found the family of my great grandmother's sister, Adelle Mestdagh.
I would like more information about my great grandmother's Clemence other sister and brother.
Henri Mesdagh was born 11 March 1861 in Mouscran, Belgium
Marie Cordula was born 1865?
They are children of Yvon Mesdagh and Barbe Therese Verdonck.
I would like any information that might help me find their lines
marriage, children, death, immigration.

I do have a question on my great grandmother, Clemence Mesdagh?
Did she leave Belgium for America alone? 

Thank you, Marsha Schott

From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:30 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
you're welcome

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:13:50 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Thank you so much for all your help


From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 10:58 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
It was a hard record to look at.
my eyes don't work great these days either but the handwriting was challenging.
I hope you got the information now.
Let me know if you would like more help.
The trees on Geneanet are great when they have been well researched and Mieke says this one is correct.

let us hear back from you!

Regine

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 1:50:52 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Hello Regine,

I am sorry, but I am not seeing what the family did for a living. I guess, I eed help with translation.

Thank you, Marsha




--
Marsha Schott

--
Marsha Schott



--

 


Re: on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh

marsha Schott
 

Hello again,
Thanks to your help, I have found the family of my great grandmother's sister, Adelle Mestdagh.
I would like more information about my great grandmother's Clemence other sister and brother.
Henri Mesdagh was born 11 March 1861 in Mouscran, Belgium
Marie Cordula was born 1865?
They are children of Yvon Mesdagh and Barbe Therese Verdonck.
I would like any information that might help me find their lines
marriage, children, death, immigration.

I do have a question on my great grandmother, Clemence Mesdagh?
Did she leave Belgium for America alone? 

Thank you, Marsha Schott

From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:30 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
you're welcome

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:13:50 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Thank you so much for all your help


From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 10:58 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] on Behalf of Marsha Schott - Clemence Mesdagh
 
It was a hard record to look at.
my eyes don't work great these days either but the handwriting was challenging.
I hope you got the information now.
Let me know if you would like more help.
The trees on Geneanet are great when they have been well researched and Mieke says this one is correct.

let us hear back from you!

Regine

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 1:50:52 PM EST, marsha Schott <wonderwoman44@...> wrote:


Hello Regine,

I am sorry, but I am not seeing what the family did for a living. I guess, I eed help with translation.

Thank you, Marsha




--
Marsha Schott

--
Marsha Schott


Re: Belgium language

Regine Brindle
 

Thank you!
Jose will be interested in seeing this.
Rgeine

On Monday, February 15, 2021, 12:02:37 AM EST, Steve Lampereur <kb9mwr@...> wrote:


Here is another update (Jan 2021) on the Wisconsin Walloon project of Kelly Biers:







Re: Belgium language

Steve Lampereur
 

Here is another update (Jan 2021) on the Wisconsin Walloon project of Kelly Biers:

https://scholarspace.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10125/24968


Re: Affirming My Belgian Heritage

Regine Brindle
 

hello Roger,

First of all, my apologies, the Bruges link was the wrong one.  I thought i had removed it before sending yesterday.

It might be easier to just paste what Yvon said.
citizenship is complicated because the laws change all the time.

Your grandmother gained us citizenship when your grandfather was naturalized. The same with all the children in the household regardless of where they were born.  In Yvon's perspective, it seems to mean 'losing the Belgian citizenship'
If your grandfather signed a paper renouncing allegiance to the king and to Belgium, he was not allowed to have a dual citizenship.
The children may have had a choice until the age of 18.
Today people can pay extra and have a dual citizenship but it's been so on and off that it is really hard to know who qualifies and who does not unless they have the full paperwork before them.  That may be why the embassy is asking you for all these papers.

When I was naturalized (1987) I lost my Belgian citizenship.  My children were not Belgian, while I was not naturalized, nor did they have the option of becoming Belgians. 
Your father's name does not appear on the POW site.  Knowing he used a US passport indicates he made the choice to remain us citizen in spite of the divorce.  I am not sure that your grandmother's status is the one they would use for the children of a divorced marriage.
In certain countries the nationality follows the parents'.
In France in the early 20th century it appears, children born of Belgian parents in France, retained the Belgian citizenship.  It gets confusing for sure...
In the US, as you said, citizenship of children is automatically US, regardless of the parents' citizenship status.

However... the importance of the POW file is that it will determine whether he was taken prisoner as a Belgian or an American.
The Germans likely did not realize he was not Belgian by birth.  do you have access to that file?

Here is Yvon's questions/explanations

Bonjour Régine
J'ai encore bien étudié le cas
I have studied this carefully

1. Né au USA, son papa est américain de naissance et avait la double nationalité à la naissance
cette nationalité devient définitive en 1933 (loi de 1920)

Born in the US his dad is American by birth and had dual citizenship at birth.  This citizenship becomes permanent in 1933 (1920 law)

2. Son grand père devient citoyen US mi 1928.
suite la convention belgo USA de 1868 le grand père perd automatiquement la belge
ce jour là, par effet collectif son le devient aussi et logiquement perd la nationalité belge
J'ignore pour la grand-maman ....
Donc lors du divorce , logiquement son papa est citoyen US uniquement

his grandfather became a us citizen in mid 1928.
Due to the Belgian-American convention on 1868, the grandfather automatically loses his Belgian citizenship.
That day, by collective effect his son also becomes US citizen and logically loses the Belgian citizenship as well.
I am not sure about the grandmother... So at the time of the divorce his dad was solely a US citizen.

3. Il y a le retour en Belgique et là cela devient incompréhensible ..... sauf si la maman a caché que elle et son enfant sont devenus citoyen US
explication
En 1942, suite à l'entrée en guerre des USA ... tous les citoyens US en Belgique ont été arrêtés en mis dans des camps.
Son père et sa grand mère n'ont pas été inquiétés 
Donc si ils se sont fait passer pour des belges, il doit y avoir des traces dans les archives de l'administration

at the return to Belgium, and this only can be explained if the mother hid that she and her child were US citizens.
In 1942 after the US entered war, all US citizens in belgium were arrested and put in camps.
his father and grandmother were not bothered.
So they must have ''passed' for Belgians and there should be a record of them in the local administration
(my note: do you have a record of the Population register for that period?  He would have been registered on them, even if it was listed as grandchild, living with family. his birth would be recorded on there as well)

Questions
1. qu'est devenu la grand-mère en Belgique .... IMPORTANT

what became of your grandmother in Belgium?

2. son papa a-t-il été inscrit sur les liste de la milice vers 1942?

Was your father registered on the militia list in 1942?
(my note: Hmmm...  he would surely have been too young, but i don't know about Belgium)

3. quand il y a eu le procès qui a mené son papa en déportation, a-t-on fait mention de sa nationalité américaine? Son père a-t-il eu une pension de prisonnier de guerre?

When the trial took place prior to your fathers deportation to camp, was there mention of his nationality?  Did your father claim a POw pension?

4. quand il est parti de Belgique ( c'est cela que l'ambassade veut savoir) en 1948, il a voyagé avec un passeport US ou belge

When he left Belgium in 1948 did he have a Belgian or US passport
(my note: you answered that already in your email - US passport so he claimed US citizenship)

5. sur les passenger's lists de l'époque quelle nationalité il est mentionné sur les livres de bord

On the passengers list what nationality is mentioned?
(my note: answered with above I would say)

6. Par après .... son papa n'a jamais été inquiété pour son service militaire obligatoire en Belgique ..... ce dossier, on doit le retrouver !!!

Later, was your father ever contacted to do his obligatory military service in Belgium ---  Must find

I think Yvon is worried your quest may be for naught

regine


On Thursday, February 4, 2021, 12:09:57 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine,

Thank you for continuing to work with me on my project!  I will try to answer your friend Yvon's questions as best I can.  His questions center around the sequence and timing of events pertaining to my grandfather's naturalization and my father's birth, his return to Belgium, and his citizenship status.  

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert), both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium, emigrated to the U.S. in 1922.  They settled in Chicago, Illinois.

My father (Arthur Gallet) was born in Chicago on January 15, 1928.  His birth in the U.S made him a U.S. citizen. 

My grandfather achieved naturalization as a U.S citizen on June 29, 1928 -- 5 months AFTER my father's birth.  My grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the time of my father's birth, so Belgian citizenship also applied to my father; he must have carried dual citizenship.  My grandmother was never naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

My grandparents divorced, and subsequently, in December 1934 (just shy of my father's 7th birthday) my father went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  My father, now living in Belgium, was a U.S. citizen by birth in the U.S. and a Belgian citizen by birth to a Belgian father.  That may answer the question of why the Germans didn't deport him.  Either that or they never found out he was also American.

After my father's ordeal as a political prisoner and his liberation and release from prison, he decided to return to the U.S. to live.  He returned to Chicago, Illinois in the summer of 1946, and reunited with his father (Julien Gallet).  Without question my father's citizenship status was as a U.S. citizen when he returned to the States.  I have in my possession his actual United States passport, issued by the American Consulate General in Antwerp on May 29, 1946.  This passport had an expiration date of November 29, 1946 and was only valid for travel in "necessary countries en route to the United States from Belgium".  He traveled on a Swedish American Line ship (I don't know the name of the ship) from Gothenburg, arriving in New York on July 1, 1946.

As far as the link you provided to the V.O.PG.V website, I was already familiar with that, as it was also given to me by the daughter of one of my father's fellow political prisoners.  As for the other links, they unfortunately did not work out too well for me.

Finally, I still look forward to becoming an official member of The Belgian Researchers as soon as you receive my elusive check in the mail.

Sincerely,
Roger Gallet             



From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:57 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Re: Affirming My Belgian Heritage

Roger Gallet
 

Regine,

Thank you for continuing to work with me on my project!  I will try to answer your friend Yvon's questions as best I can.  His questions center around the sequence and timing of events pertaining to my grandfather's naturalization and my father's birth, his return to Belgium, and his citizenship status.  

My grandparents (Julien Gallet and Julia Lambert), both Belgian citizens by birth in Belgium, emigrated to the U.S. in 1922.  They settled in Chicago, Illinois.

My father (Arthur Gallet) was born in Chicago on January 15, 1928.  His birth in the U.S made him a U.S. citizen. 

My grandfather achieved naturalization as a U.S citizen on June 29, 1928 -- 5 months AFTER my father's birth.  My grandfather was still a Belgian citizen at the time of my father's birth, so Belgian citizenship also applied to my father; he must have carried dual citizenship.  My grandmother was never naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

My grandparents divorced, and subsequently, in December 1934 (just shy of my father's 7th birthday) my father went with my grandmother to live in Brugge, Belgium.  My father, now living in Belgium, was a U.S. citizen by birth in the U.S. and a Belgian citizen by birth to a Belgian father.  That may answer the question of why the Germans didn't deport him.  Either that or they never found out he was also American.

After my father's ordeal as a political prisoner and his liberation and release from prison, he decided to return to the U.S. to live.  He returned to Chicago, Illinois in the summer of 1946, and reunited with his father (Julien Gallet).  Without question my father's citizenship status was as a U.S. citizen when he returned to the States.  I have in my possession his actual United States passport, issued by the American Consulate General in Antwerp on May 29, 1946.  This passport had an expiration date of November 29, 1946 and was only valid for travel in "necessary countries en route to the United States from Belgium".  He traveled on a Swedish American Line ship (I don't know the name of the ship) from Gothenburg, arriving in New York on July 1, 1946.

As far as the link you provided to the V.O.PG.V website, I was already familiar with that, as it was also given to me by the daughter of one of my father's fellow political prisoners.  As for the other links, they unfortunately did not work out too well for me.

Finally, I still look forward to becoming an official member of The Belgian Researchers as soon as you receive my elusive check in the mail.

Sincerely,
Roger Gallet             



From: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> on behalf of Regine Brindle via groups.io <babette602001@...>
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 6:57 AM
To: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] Affirming My Belgian Heritage
 
Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Re: Affirming My Belgian Heritage

Mieke
 

The death act of charles at Ghent on 09/03/1939 attached.



Op 3 feb. 2021 15:57 schreef "Regine Brindle via groups.io" <babette602001@...>:

Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Re: Affirming My Belgian Heritage

Regine Brindle
 

Hello Roger,

I heard back from my friend Yvon.  He has a lot of questions and explains why the embassy would not be much help.

He sent me a link to this page.
WOW, what a terrific story!

He feels your answer should be found in his POW file.
Do you have this?


My grandfather was a Belgian POW during WWII and i was able to get a copy of this file without any trouble.

I also noticed that there was a reference on your father's obit site that his parents divorced.

The questions Yvon raises have to do with timing and the way things done back then.

As I am studying the Women's Suffrage question right now, I learned that US born women who married unnaturalized aliens lost their US citizenship.
The first thing the League of women Voters went to work on after the 19th Amendment was ratified (1920), was to ensure this would no longer be the case.
I am not sure exactly when this took place but before 1928.
So his question was whether or not your grandfather's naturalization occurred before the return to Belgium.
Were they considered Belgians or US citizens?
The Germans automatically deported the Americans, he says.
Since Arthur went to school in Bruges, it would seem they were not deported.

How did he return to the US? As an American citizen?

Yvon says the embassies can not do this search for people.

So...  I would check with Bruges to see if there was a record of a passport application there.
I believe the link Mieke shared last week would be a good place to start.


There is a list online but I could not find Arthur Galler.


Looking forward to hearing the story from you and yes we would love to place a summary of this account in our newsletter if you are so inclined to share.


Regine


On Monday, February 1, 2021, 2:55:34 PM EST, Roger Gallet <r_gallet@...> wrote:


Regine and Mieke,

Thank you both very much for all the information you provided; it was much more than I expected!  Thanks especially for my grandparents birth and marriage records.  They are among those requested by the Belgian Consulate, so that my Belgian citizenship can be officially registered.

One more document that I need is any Belgian document, such as a passport or other type of identification document, for my grandfather.  Any ideas on how to obtain something like that?

Best Regards,
Roger Gallet 


Re: How to find a soldier during 2nd war

Sabrina
 

Hi Mieke and Regine,

This is the right person !! Thanks a lot.
In the diary, it's noted Repinec but on a picture in June 1945, it was indicated Charly Repinel !!

Kind regards
Sabrina

PS : I don't have acces to MyHeritage but doesn't matter, I have enough informations ;-)


Re: hi

Mieke
 

marriage with carolus hillen 1857 416 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-WJLH-R?i=369&wc=Q82R-LVS%3A1007785401%2C1007985401&cc=2138481 

parents on the tree are correct.

carolus and fredericus hillen are brothers, isabella maria helena keurvels remarried with fredericus after death carolus.

death carolus https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-67HQ-CQ9?i=277&wc=Q82R-TBV%3A1007785401%2C1007766701&cc=2138481


marriage hermans - herbaut https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-WJ9P-HQ?i=41&wc=Q82R-LKN%3A1007785401%2C1007988801&cc=2138481

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Nicki Chamberlain via groups.io <nic3ki@...>
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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] hi
 
Thanks so much!!!

Monique

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 02:54:07 PM CST, Mieke <chatje80@...> wrote:



Ludovicus Hermans 18/04/1858 at antwerp son of petrus hermans and christina herbaut? both alive at antwerp
Isabella Maria Hillen 28/11/1858 at antwerp daughter of carolus deceased and isabella maria helena keurvel alive, the tree said fredericus.




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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] hi
 


I'm having a hard time with my Hermans & Hillen line.  Carolina is my great-grandmother.  She was married to Josephus GEERTS (1878-1948).  I'm interested in finding her parent's info.  Ludovicus Hermans was married to Isabella Maria HILLEN on 08 Apr 1880 in Antwerp, Belgium.  

Here is Isabella HILLEN's birth document....which I can't read.



Thanks,
Monique Chamberlain (Nicki)


Re: How to find a soldier during 2nd war

Regine Brindle
 


There are 4 records, that require a membership and i don't have one at the moment.

Also a tree on Ancestry.com Ancestry - Sign In

Paula Begge Tonglet

1922–2003

Birth 24 MAY 1922 Andenne, Namur, Belgium

Death 27 APR 2003 Feeding Hills, Hampden, MA

Not many hits in the newspapers and none for Charlie.  Only one that works for both

Attached



On Monday, February 1, 2021, 5:13:27 PM EST, Mieke <chatje80@...> wrote:



Name: Ignatius Charles Repinec[Ignatius C Repinec]
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1920
Birth Place: Lansford, Pennsylvania
Death Date: 6 Mar 1988
Father: Ignatius Repinec
Mother: Gloria Sirovica
SSN: 132103071
Notes: Apr 1939: Name listed as IGNATIUS CHARLES REPINEC; 07 Apr 1988: Name listed as IGNATIUS C REPINEC



Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] How to find a soldier during 2nd war
 
Name: Paula Begge Repinec[Paula B Repinec][Paula Begge Tonglet]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 24 May 1922
Birth Place: Andenne Namu, Belgium
Death Date: 27 Apr 2003
Father: Marcel J Tonglet
Mother: Justine E Becques
SSN: 013406737
Notes: May 1965: Name listed as PAULA BEGGE REPINEC; 02 May 2003: Name listed as PAULA B REPINEC
That's the girl i suppose?

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Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] How to find a soldier during 2nd war
 
I found a marriage between an american man and a girl from Andenne in 1945. He was a soldier. But how can I find informations about him ?
His Wife is Paula Tonglet

Charly Repinel probably coming from Lansford, Pennsylvania

Regards
Sabrina


Re: hi

Nicki Chamberlain
 

Thanks so much!!!

Monique

On Monday, February 1, 2021, 02:54:07 PM CST, Mieke <chatje80@...> wrote:



Ludovicus Hermans 18/04/1858 at antwerp son of petrus hermans and christina herbaut? both alive at antwerp
Isabella Maria Hillen 28/11/1858 at antwerp daughter of carolus deceased and isabella maria helena keurvel alive, the tree said fredericus.




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Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] hi
 


I'm having a hard time with my Hermans & Hillen line.  Carolina is my great-grandmother.  She was married to Josephus GEERTS (1878-1948).  I'm interested in finding her parent's info.  Ludovicus Hermans was married to Isabella Maria HILLEN on 08 Apr 1880 in Antwerp, Belgium.  

Here is Isabella HILLEN's birth document....which I can't read.



Thanks,
Monique Chamberlain (Nicki)


Re: How to find a soldier during 2nd war

Regine Brindle
 


I guess I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

Those later years are difficult for anyone not directly related, I'm afraid.

Where all have you looked?  What all do you know?
Two names sometimes help for a start but if you have more information it simplifies things for those looking so nobody has to reinvent the wheel..

Thanks, Sabrina!

regine




On Monday, February 1, 2021, 4:58:00 PM EST, Sabrina <holodsab@...> wrote:


I found a marriage between an american man and a girl from Andenne in 1945. He was a soldier. But how can I find informations about him ?
His Wife is Paula Tonglet

Charly Repinel probably coming from Lansford, Pennsylvania

Regards
Sabrina


Re: How to find a soldier during 2nd war

Mieke
 


Name: Ignatius Charles Repinec[Ignatius C Repinec]
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1920
Birth Place: Lansford, Pennsylvania
Death Date: 6 Mar 1988
Father: Ignatius Repinec
Mother: Gloria Sirovica
SSN: 132103071
Notes: Apr 1939: Name listed as IGNATIUS CHARLES REPINEC; 07 Apr 1988: Name listed as IGNATIUS C REPINEC



Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Mieke <chatje80@...>
Verzonden: maandag 1 februari 2021 22:05
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] How to find a soldier during 2nd war
 
Name: Paula Begge Repinec[Paula B Repinec][Paula Begge Tonglet]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 24 May 1922
Birth Place: Andenne Namu, Belgium
Death Date: 27 Apr 2003
Father: Marcel J Tonglet
Mother: Justine E Becques
SSN: 013406737
Notes: May 1965: Name listed as PAULA BEGGE REPINEC; 02 May 2003: Name listed as PAULA B REPINEC
That's the girl i suppose?

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Sabrina <holodsab@...>
Verzonden: maandag 1 februari 2021 21:57
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] How to find a soldier during 2nd war
 
I found a marriage between an american man and a girl from Andenne in 1945. He was a soldier. But how can I find informations about him ?
His Wife is Paula Tonglet

Charly Repinel probably coming from Lansford, Pennsylvania

Regards
Sabrina


Re: How to find a soldier during 2nd war

Mieke
 

Name: Paula Begge Repinec[Paula B Repinec][Paula Begge Tonglet]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 24 May 1922
Birth Place: Andenne Namu, Belgium
Death Date: 27 Apr 2003
Father: Marcel J Tonglet
Mother: Justine E Becques
SSN: 013406737
Notes: May 1965: Name listed as PAULA BEGGE REPINEC; 02 May 2003: Name listed as PAULA B REPINEC
That's the girl i suppose?

Van: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io> namens Sabrina <holodsab@...>
Verzonden: maandag 1 februari 2021 21:57
Aan: thebelgianresearchers@groups.io <thebelgianresearchers@groups.io>
Onderwerp: Re: [thebelgianresearchers] How to find a soldier during 2nd war
 
I found a marriage between an american man and a girl from Andenne in 1945. He was a soldier. But how can I find informations about him ?
His Wife is Paula Tonglet

Charly Repinel probably coming from Lansford, Pennsylvania

Regards
Sabrina

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