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Park Pick - Clue 9

inkswife
 

10 for Trout Brook.

 

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Re: Trout Brook

inkswife
 

We had Trout Brook solid last year.  I swore they moved to.  Perhaps they moved it back.  😊

 

 

 

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Re: Warning from StPaul Park & Rec

Joan Del Rio
 

Thanks for sharing that announcement. There goes my park pick! I'd like to change it to 4 on Tony Schmidt, 5 on Kohlman, and 1 on BVNS.

On Monday, January 27, 2020, 5:37:55 PM CST, kalars69 via Groups.Io <kalars69@...> wrote:


PLEASE READ AND SHARE:

To ensure we are respectful of sacred landscapes within our city’s public spaces, Saint Paul Parks and Recreation has requested that Indian Mounds Regional Park is excluded for the remainder of this year’s hunt. We can confirm that the medallion is not located within the park, and out of respect all hunting should be directed elsewhere. Good luck!



Trout Brook

leelabell
 

I don't live in MN and didn't make the trip to hunt this year, but I generally follow along. This year, I have had more time and have been thinking more carefully about the clues.

The case that is made for Phalen (see other posts on this forum) can also be made for Trout Brook with some changes:
Careful what flora you stomp - A section of that park is called trillium. You don't want to step on the trillium.
Impeach is about Jackson (street) who was sort of impeached and sort of not (read about it)
Clue four about herringbone/sawbones is about the nearby big cemetery
Street car line next to park similar to Phalen
There is water on the north side of the site and on the south side
Clue 9 is about Hill. Those train tracks at the site were his and they end nearby. The site used to have a natural rise before the tracks were built. The math thing has to do with the math and science school right next door.

But, I have the same problem with Trout Brook as I do with Phalen. I can't make clue 7 work. I feel like you have to be in lowertown near the Saints field to line up the sites. 

So, do with this what you will.


Re: Clue 9 2020

leelabell
 

I'm stuck on something with regards to Phalen:
While I agree that most of the clues seem to fit that southern area in the map above, in clue 7, the first two lines really sound like you have to go to lowertown and be near the Saints stadium (If you're in town, swing on down to a park lit up some nights). I interpret the second two lines as you have to line up the "sites" when there are not leaves on the trees (before it gets hot). I really can't square clue 7 with Phalen/BV.


Re: Clue #8 - 2020

secretrose
 

My Park pick after 9:
10 on Harriet


On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 11:36 PM, Allison Wonderland via Groups.Io
<AllisonWondrland@...> wrote:
Not quite sure what to make of this one. You could probably take most any park and find something to construe as water "above" and water "below". A bower just means a shady place under some trees which could also be most any park. The word "bower" was used in 2008 when it was at Indian Mounds park. That clue also made a reference to things being high and low. I feel like "grand" might be important in determining which water is being referred to, but I'm not sure how yet.


Warning from StPaul Park & Rec

kalars69 <Kalars69@...>
 

PLEASE READ AND SHARE:

To ensure we are respectful of sacred landscapes within our city’s public spaces, Saint Paul Parks and Recreation has requested that Indian Mounds Regional Park is excluded for the remainder of this year’s hunt. We can confirm that the medallion is not located within the park, and out of respect all hunting should be directed elsewhere. Good luck!


Re: Clue 9 2020

secretrose
 

Just got back from IM, BV, and Upper Landing. Lots of hunters in the first two. The railroad that wraps through BV was called Short in the 1924? map that David sent a link to this morning. 
Word of warning mostly to the women: There is no portapotty in IM, and one in BV and it very dirty, no TP or hand sanitizer. The Obbs Sports bar is the only place to stop nearby ...so prepare.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 12:13 PM, ssppuckguy
<dwallace1026@...> wrote:
Awesome.  I just verified on Ramsey county maps too. 


Re: MAPS!

Joan Del Rio
 

acpickerign, I think that was a very astute noodle. Impressive sleuthing!

On Monday, January 27, 2020, 4:06:16 PM CST, <acpickerign@...> wrote:


There's an old streetcar that ran between Lake Como and Lake Phelan, Though rather than going straight like Wheelock park way does, It went down Dale, and At Summit started a steep decline into downtown St. Paul (plummet), before following E7th street and climbing the Bluff, proceeding up arcade and Forest streets before reaching its terminus at Lake Phelan. It seemed odd to me that something might plummet before it got to the bluff, but if you follow this track (11 on the map) - couple with  its circuitous rout and starting and stopping like a streetcar would it seemed to make sense. 

Once at the summit, it did quite plummet

Before it got to the bluff

Starting and stopping, winding and hopping

It will eventually lead to the stuff

https://old.trolleyride.org/History/PDFs/TCRT_St._Paul_map_1947.pdf


Re: Clue #8 - 2020

NKOTBQueen
 

I agree.
There are two parks where you can see these “sites” they mention. 


On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Mike Flipp via Groups.Io <flippstermn@...> wrote:


Clue 3 - the genuflect, bending knee in prayer, Catholic Church, Cathedral. So bending to find the clue is one thing, but can you actually see the cathedral from BVNS? Harriet? 
Clue 9 - Can you see the James J Hill house from these locations as well?
I think being able to see landmarks that they are hinting about has to come into play right? In order to triangulate your search within a park. Thought I was done noodling, Im a wannabe addict.

On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 11:32:54 PM CST, Allison Wonderland via Groups.Io <allisonwondrland@...> wrote:


Clue #8
Water is grand in our hunt's land
Up above our site and lower.
You won't need suit nor rubber boot
If you walk amongst the bower.
 
Clue #7
If you’re in town, swing on down 
To a park lit up some nights
Before it gets hotter, line three bodies water
And you’ll have it in your sites
 
Clue #6
Once at the summit, it did quite plummet
Before it got to the bluff
Starting and stopping, winding and hopping
It will eventually lead to the stuff
 
Clue #5
We will protect each clue from the GRU
Nyet hackers! Have you no shame?
They may fix our elections, but we'll spark insurrection,
If they try to interfere with our game
 
Clue #4
One patterned neat and trim, one salvaged life and limb
Did the two cutters who lived down the way.
Herringbones or sawbones?
You decide which will play.
 
Clue #3
This hunt’s guarantor settles that forevermore
Noodlers treasure noggins; keep that in mind.
So doff your warm cap, study dog-eared map
And genuflect in the presence of the find.
 
Clue #2
Though the times be quite peachy, we do so beseech ye,
To venture out of doors for a romp
As you traipse through the snow, your medallions aglow,
Careful of what flora you stomp
 
Clue #1
There’s just enough snow and temperatures low
To rouse us from our snoozing
And hide the MacGuffin, no we ain’t bluffin,
In a park of our very own choosing.
 
The Vikings are done, the Twins yet begun
What excuse do you have to dawdle?
Gather your kin, prepare for the win
And be sure to bring a hot bottle
 


Re: MAPS!

Archie Pickerign
 

There's an old streetcar that ran between Lake Como and Lake Phelan, Though rather than going straight like Wheelock park way does, It went down Dale, and At Summit started a steep decline into downtown St. Paul (plummet), before following E7th street and climbing the Bluff, proceeding up arcade and Forest streets before reaching its terminus at Lake Phelan. It seemed odd to me that something might plummet before it got to the bluff, but if you follow this track (11 on the map) - couple with  its circuitous rout and starting and stopping like a streetcar would it seemed to make sense. 

Once at the summit, it did quite plummet

Before it got to the bluff

Starting and stopping, winding and hopping

It will eventually lead to the stuff

https://old.trolleyride.org/History/PDFs/TCRT_St._Paul_map_1947.pdf


Re: Clue #8 - 2020

Mike Flipp
 

Clue 3 - the genuflect, bending knee in prayer, Catholic Church, Cathedral. So bending to find the clue is one thing, but can you actually see the cathedral from BVNS? Harriet? 
Clue 9 - Can you see the James J Hill house from these locations as well?
I think being able to see landmarks that they are hinting about has to come into play right? In order to triangulate your search within a park. Thought I was done noodling, Im a wannabe addict.

On Saturday, January 25, 2020, 11:32:54 PM CST, Allison Wonderland via Groups.Io <allisonwondrland@...> wrote:


Clue #8
Water is grand in our hunt's land
Up above our site and lower.
You won't need suit nor rubber boot
If you walk amongst the bower.
 
Clue #7
If you’re in town, swing on down 
To a park lit up some nights
Before it gets hotter, line three bodies water
And you’ll have it in your sites
 
Clue #6
Once at the summit, it did quite plummet
Before it got to the bluff
Starting and stopping, winding and hopping
It will eventually lead to the stuff
 
Clue #5
We will protect each clue from the GRU
Nyet hackers! Have you no shame?
They may fix our elections, but we'll spark insurrection,
If they try to interfere with our game
 
Clue #4
One patterned neat and trim, one salvaged life and limb
Did the two cutters who lived down the way.
Herringbones or sawbones?
You decide which will play.
 
Clue #3
This hunt’s guarantor settles that forevermore
Noodlers treasure noggins; keep that in mind.
So doff your warm cap, study dog-eared map
And genuflect in the presence of the find.
 
Clue #2
Though the times be quite peachy, we do so beseech ye,
To venture out of doors for a romp
As you traipse through the snow, your medallions aglow,
Careful of what flora you stomp
 
Clue #1
There’s just enough snow and temperatures low
To rouse us from our snoozing
And hide the MacGuffin, no we ain’t bluffin,
In a park of our very own choosing.
 
The Vikings are done, the Twins yet begun
What excuse do you have to dawdle?
Gather your kin, prepare for the win
And be sure to bring a hot bottle
 


Re: MAPS!

spamchristi2@yahoo.com
 

What's the streetcar noodle that may or may not be bupkis?


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:54 AM, Allison Wonderland via Groups.Io
<AllisonWondrland@...> wrote:
I don't think the streetcar noodle was bupkis. It's still a cornerstone of my Phalen theory. I didn't post it here because it was your theory but you can if you like. I thought it sounded better than any other explanation for that clue that I have heard.

David B. Allison


On Monday, January 27, 2020, 09:43:51 AM CST, <acpickerign@...> wrote:


Hi David - cool site you have here, saw you linked to it from Facebook.

oldmaps is nice in a pinch but the U of MN can’t be beat for old maps.

www.lib.umn.edu/borchert will get you many old St. Paul plat maps, old street names and alignments- some greater Ramsey county.

https://apps.lib.umn.edu/mhapo has aerial photos of the area from the ‘20’s onward.

I probably place too much importance on old stuff ( like the streetcar noodle that was bupkis) 


Re: Clue 9 2020

Lindseywuollet@...
 

Yes!!!! 

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From: Stephanie Peltier <steph.peltier71@...>
Date: 1/27/20 3:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: theallisonwonderland@groups.io
Subject: Re: [theallisonwonderland] Clue 9 2020

Any one tossing around the idea of 2 medallions this year? 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:29 AM, acpickerign@... wrote:

I wish the clues didn’t have me changing my mind every 5 seconds.

It could be JJH - and odds of a small downtown park may have never been higher. That said if it is a Hill reference I would guess they are talking about Walnut Street, which falls just short of the mansion- and past old St Luke’s Hospital to Irvine Park.

My initial read on this one is about Chris Coleman, who helped champion the renovation of the Sam Morgan Trail which runs by but does not reach Downtown up hill. The city commissioned a study to see how much a direct connection to the Vento Trail would cost (good math) but have not started the project. How this relates to other clues is beyond me.

At this point I just hope these aren’t all references to trash they littered on the ground again.


Re: Clue 9 2020

Allison Wonderland
 

To be honest, not really. I think that would be a logistical headache for the paper. Not to mention would it mean doubling the prize money? I feel pretty sure it's just one treasure we are looking for.



On Monday, January 27, 2020, 03:02:04 PM CST, Stephanie Peltier <steph.peltier71@...> wrote:


Any one tossing around the idea of 2 medallions this year? 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:29 AM, acpickerign@... wrote:

I wish the clues didn’t have me changing my mind every 5 seconds.

It could be JJH - and odds of a small downtown park may have never been higher. That said if it is a Hill reference I would guess they are talking about Walnut Street, which falls just short of the mansion- and past old St Luke’s Hospital to Irvine Park.

My initial read on this one is about Chris Coleman, who helped champion the renovation of the Sam Morgan Trail which runs by but does not reach Downtown up hill. The city commissioned a study to see how much a direct connection to the Vento Trail would cost (good math) but have not started the project. How this relates to other clues is beyond me.

At this point I just hope these aren’t all references to trash they littered on the ground again.


Re: Clue 9 2020

Archie Pickerign
 

You might have rekindled my faith in that area- back out there soon I suppose.

Worth pointing out that genuflect makes sense, a) to denote its on the ground b) Maryland (Ave) was founded as a catholic colony.

Better find it before it gets hotter- wouldn’t want to burn(quist ave.) myself.


Re: Clue 9 2020

Stephanie Peltier <steph.peltier71@...>
 

Any one tossing around the idea of 2 medallions this year? 

On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:29 AM, acpickerign@... wrote:

I wish the clues didn’t have me changing my mind every 5 seconds.

It could be JJH - and odds of a small downtown park may have never been higher. That said if it is a Hill reference I would guess they are talking about Walnut Street, which falls just short of the mansion- and past old St Luke’s Hospital to Irvine Park.

My initial read on this one is about Chris Coleman, who helped champion the renovation of the Sam Morgan Trail which runs by but does not reach Downtown up hill. The city commissioned a study to see how much a direct connection to the Vento Trail would cost (good math) but have not started the project. How this relates to other clues is beyond me.

At this point I just hope these aren’t all references to trash they littered on the ground again.


Re: Clue 9 2020

Allison Wonderland
 

I think tonight we will get a Vento clue. I think Clue 11 will give us the park and it will probably be found then. I believe if you are in the right park, they have already defined a pretty small area. At this point I believe it has to be either BVNS, Swede, or the SE corner of Phalen, none of which will handle a big crowd very well, so they're keeping us off-balance.

It would actually be kind of awesome to go into the 12th clue with people still spread out in multiple parks.



On Monday, January 27, 2020, 02:45:08 PM CST, Mike Flipp via Groups.Io <flippstermn@...> wrote:


I must say, you all are doing a great job with noodling this, I however have completely went low carb (no pasta for me) and this has all gotten greek to me, LOL It really is fun throwing out thoughts, but there are just so many directions. You know what I do hate though, is the 11:30 PM late night run to the treasure, cuz no one found it yet and they're basically just telling you where the thing is. With as much snow as there is out there, it's going to take a while to dig that thing out. They do want to sell papers and create a buzz. I just hope someone finds it before the last "here it is" clue.

On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:21:52 PM CST, ssppuckguy <dwallace1026@...> wrote:


See attached 


Re: Clue 9 2020

Mike Flipp
 

I must say, you all are doing a great job with noodling this, I however have completely went low carb (no pasta for me) and this has all gotten greek to me, LOL It really is fun throwing out thoughts, but there are just so many directions. You know what I do hate though, is the 11:30 PM late night run to the treasure, cuz no one found it yet and they're basically just telling you where the thing is. With as much snow as there is out there, it's going to take a while to dig that thing out. They do want to sell papers and create a buzz. I just hope someone finds it before the last "here it is" clue.

On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:21:52 PM CST, ssppuckguy <dwallace1026@...> wrote:


See attached 


Re: Clue 9 2020

inkswife
 

Matt, it might be worth a call.  I know railroad property is and has been off limits in the past.  But I like your thoughts.

 

From the land of the lost….Terry

 

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