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Re: And Patreon backs away.

Janet Stirling
 

This is a good response.  I sincerely hope that not too much damage has been done here.  Thanks for posting, Kier.

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


From: Kier Salmon <k_salmon@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 3:00 pm
Subject: [stirling] And Patreon backs away.

Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/


Kier Salmon
Editor 4 Hire






Re: Changes to Patreon

Bobby Hardenbrook
 


Nice, yeah, just saw this in my twitter feed. Good move by them to back off a horrible idea.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM Bob Waldrop <bwaldrop1952@...> wrote:
Looks like Patreon is abandoning these proposed changes, for many of the
reasons already mentioned in this thread (e.g. the disproportionate
impact on small patrons, etc.)

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Bob Waldrop, Okie City




Re: And Patreon backs away.

 

I guess the message _really_ got through.  :-)

Peter S



From: Tarl Neustaedter <tarl-s2@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [stirling] And Patreon backs away.

On 2017-Dec-13 17:00 , Kier Salmon wrote:
Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Interesting. That's about as abject an apology as I've ever read coming from a corporation.

Re: Scarily awesome idea

Janet Stirling
 

Cool story.  I admire you for traveling to Asia, it's a loooong way to go, but if you're into the area at all it must be magical to actually be there.

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Dec 12, 2017 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [stirling] Scarily awesome idea

For _me_, that's normal.  I've been reading steadily since I was three years old, and I remember a great deal of what I've read.

When I was in Japan, a couple of times, I politely asked if I could take over for our guide when she was having trouble explaining something traditionally Japanese, and explained it to my companions.  After the second time I did this (I'd just explained nightingale floors and why they were made) she got me off to one side, looked at me with big eyes, and said "How do you KNOW these things?"

I just grinned at her and said "I read books.  _Many, many_ books!"

If it were only possible, sometime I'd love to show the list the pictures I took on my trip to Asia.  I didn't get as many as I should have in Taipei, but made up for it in Japan and the PRC.  One problem I ahd was that I was using a little Instamatic, and getting film for it was sometimes a problem.

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Janet Stirling via Groups.Io <joatsbuddy@...> wrote:
Hey you knew that one of his wives was named Edith.  Do you know how rare that is?

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 7:59 pm
Subject: Re: [stirling] Scarily awesome idea

I'll have to do some research about TR's life.  And when things happened.   

BTW, I already noticed one error I made---TR's first wife's name was Alice (her daughter was named for her), not Edith.  My bad.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Janet Stirling via Groups.Io <joatsbuddy@...> wrote:
Well that sounds cool, have a wonderful time.  Meanwhile the back of your brain can be brewing a story. 

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Dec 10, 2017 11:43 pm
Subject: Re: [stirling] Scarily awesome idea

I may start outlining over the Christmas holidays.  I'll be online, but not as much---I'll be in California at my brother's place, and he's always got a million ideas for what we can do.

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Janet Stirling via Groups.Io <joatsbuddy@...> wrote:
What a wonderful idea!  Peter's right, you should totally write this!

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Oppen <ravenclaweric@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Dec 7, 2017 7:51 pm
Subject: [stirling] Scarily awesome idea

I was reading an anthology of vampire stories set throughout history and came to one about Theodore Roosevelt meeting and dealing with (terminally, of course) a vampire in New York during his time as Police Commissioner.

That gave me an idea:  What if one of the Fearless Vampire Hunters in Stoker's original _Dracula_ had been Theodore Roosevelt?  TR would, I think, take a lot of convincing that vampires were real, but once he knew that they were...Dracula and his allies would never know what had hit them.

And I don't think for a second that TR would have been dumb enough to leave Mina Harker all alone in her bedroom, just waiting for the Count to drop by for a snack.  Once he knew the Count was out there somewhere, particularly if they had reason to believe that Mina was on his "targets for today" list, he'd have had her under guard every second until the Count was definitely permanently dead.

Matter of fact, that gives me an interesting idea for a novel:  What if the Count had come to America, to New York...and had made the _major_ mistake of killing TR's first wife (Alice's mother; she was half-sister to his remaining brood) and years later, TR finds his first wife battening on their daughter?  I think that line from _Tora, Tora, Tora!_ would sum it up well:  "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve."


Re: And Patreon backs away.

Erik Fischer
 

Wow, that sounds like it was written by somebody who just had whatever the commercial equivalent of a near death experience is.

Am 13.12.2017 um 23:00 schrieb Kier Salmon:

Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/


Kier Salmon
Editor 4 Hire

Re: And Patreon backs away.

duane oldsen
 

Fear is good.

Fear works. 

On Dec 13, 2017 5:05 PM, "Tarl Neustaedter" <tarl-s2@...> wrote:
On 2017-Dec-13 17:00 , Kier Salmon wrote:
Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Interesting. That's about as abject an apology as I've ever read coming from a corporation.

Re: PepsiCo makes biggest public pre-order of Tesla Semis

Marvin Carlson
 

Absorption coolers operate at lower efficiency  and so need significantly larger radiators, so there would be a trade for weight in a mobile unit.

On 12/13/2017 02:46 PM, markus baur wrote:
no reason at all why you could not power a adsorption cooler with diesel (or waste heat from the drive engine, for that matter)

servus

markus

Am 13.12.2017 um 21:39 schrieb John Hamill:
And you would need separate fueling facilities for the truck and the refrigerator unit, with diesel you only need one. For short run propane refridgeration and diesel trucks are adequate, for long haul you need for both to be diesel.
It's going to be interesting to see how the Tesla Semi works, I can well imagine a lot of teething pains working out the exact range and breakdown issues, and several emergency recharges along the highway...

On Dec 13, 2017 9:17 AM, "markus baur" <baur@... <mailto:baur@...>> wrote:

    but afaik an absorption cooler (that would work quietly with a
    propane flame) would need to be quite a bit bigger for the same power

    servus

    markus

    Am 13.12.2017 um 12:28 schrieb Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io:

        When I worked for my Uncle in the egg business, there were two
        options for refrigeration units on trailers, propane or diesel.
        Diesel was more common, but propane was definitely an available
        option.


        On 12/12/2017 11:17 PM, markus baur wrote:


            it does not have to be a "one size fits all" solution - it
            only has to fit a good portion of the market ... many
            companies do not need really long range for their truck
            fleets ..i think we will be seeing lots of electrics in
            short to medium range trucking (inner city, logistics center
            to logistics center) where it will be great to get rid of
            diesel (I do not like the restaurant food supply service
            parking under our window three times a week with his diesel
            kept running for the refrigeration)

            servus

            markus


                "Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io"
                <moors710@...
                <mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>> hat am 12. Dezember 2017
                um 22:31 geschrieben:


                These trucks barely make it across North Dakota without
                a recharge.  They seem not well designed for the western
                USA.
                On 12/12/2017 03:12 PM, Dan Daast wrote:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pepsico-tesla-orders/pepsico-makes-biggest-public-pre-order-of-tesla-semis-100-trucks-idUSKBN1E61FB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a3045c104d3013896142583&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
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Re: Changes to Patreon

 

Looks like Patreon is abandoning these proposed changes, for many of the reasons already mentioned in this thread (e.g. the disproportionate impact on small patrons, etc.)

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Bob Waldrop, Okie City

Re: And Patreon backs away.

Tarl Neustaedter
 

On 2017-Dec-13 17:00 , Kier Salmon wrote:
Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/

Interesting. That's about as abject an apology as I've ever read coming from a corporation.

And Patreon backs away.

Kier Salmon
 

Seems a few too many people disliked the proposed changes.

https://blog.patreon.com/not-rolling-out-fees-change/


Kier Salmon
Editor 4 Hire

Re: A hypothetical question

Michael Walsh
 

And to mention that EA's latest Sim City was absolute garbage because....... It was supposed to be online only in order to support microtransactions. That series is now dead.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:
I'm still bitter about Maxis. EA basically killed the core simulation genre when they bought Maxis. That genre still hasn't really totally revived either. You still don't really see hard core simulation games like Sim Life, Sim Earth, etc, coming out any more. And their hasn't been a true Sim City game since Sim City 4. ('cities : skylines' from Paradox is good but its not really a deep city SIM in the way that sim city 4 was, its more of a pretty transit simulator with a solid city building game around it for dressing)

Bobby


On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 1:31 PM Michael Walsh <mike@...> wrote:
Given the fact that EA is well known for its ability to take fantastic Indy studios and absolutely destroy them*, letting them retain ANY property you (the IP holder) actually care about is utterly foolish.



*Bullfrog, Maxis, Pandemic, Origin, Mythic, Dreamworks and now it looks like Bioware. Note, this is not the complete list of studios / IP EA has acquired and then destroyed. It is simply an 'off the top of my head'.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Erik Fischer via Groups.Io <erik_fischer_69=yahoo.de@groups.io> wrote:
We already know The Mouse basically grabbed the EA by the throat and told them to make the PR shitstorm go away before any of it spilled over to their side of the IP ("Or else!"). This galvanized EA's management into a hasty attempt at spin control so halfhearted and brazenly dishonest (*) that far from putting out the flames it actually ended up adding even more fuel to the blaze. Which has now lead to some fairly gleeful speculation on the potential future of the Star Wars gaming IP should Burbank finally tire of the clownshow and decides to take back its ball.  

http://www.pcgamer.com/if-ea-lost-the-star-wars-license-who-should-get-it-next/
 

______________________________________________

* = some of the 'sleight of hand' shenanigans by EA in their (mis)handling of the consumer backlash didn't just approach outright fraud (https://www.change.org/p/lucasfilm-revoke-ea-s-star-wars-license) they were also so poorly executed you really have to wonder about the median IQ in the EA board room. 


Re: Netflix Grabs Hold Of John Scalzi’s Sci-Fi Novel ‘Old Man’s War’ For Jon Shestack, Madhouse

Sean F Gallagher
 

Here in Portland there is a local video shop called Movie Madness. They are saving the store by going museum basically. It will no longer be a straight up video store. It will be a place where you can come to view vintage movies and they will offer special movie nights in store and stuff like that.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:
They'll have to really push the "niche" and "vintage" angle, combined with a "premium" angle by offering 4k Blu-Rays for rent/sale. (a lot of people can't stream 4k because of their internet connections, or want TRUE 4k which you don't really get from streaming)

Bobby

Re: Switzerland: the Prepper Nation

Marvin Carlson
 

Someone must be prepared to save civilization!


On 12/13/2017 12:16 PM, Dan Daast wrote:
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/12/switzerland-prepared-civilizational-collapse.html

 "More than any other country, Switzerland’s ethos is centered around preparing for civilizational collapse."

Re: PepsiCo makes biggest public pre-order of Tesla Semis

Marvin Carlson
 

Not quieter, but the odor is much less. The propane engine is much cleaner when maintaining it which is a consideration in food products.

On 12/13/2017 11:29 AM, markus baur wrote:
but then its not quieter then the little diesel engine ..

servus

markus

Am 13.12.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io:
These were not absorption coolers, but used propane powered engines rather than diesel engines. It was (and probably still is) an option of ThermoKing refrigeration units.


On 12/13/2017 10:17 AM, markus baur wrote:
but afaik an absorption cooler (that would work quietly with a propane flame) would need to be quite a bit bigger for the same power

servus

markus

Am 13.12.2017 um 12:28 schrieb Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io:
When I worked for my Uncle in the egg business, there were two options for refrigeration units on trailers, propane or diesel. Diesel was more common, but propane was definitely an available option.


On 12/12/2017 11:17 PM, markus baur wrote:

it does not have to be a "one size fits all" solution - it only has to fit a good portion of the market ... many companies do not need really long range for their truck fleets ..i think we will be seeing lots of electrics in short to medium range trucking (inner city, logistics center to logistics center) where it will be great to get rid of diesel (I do not like the restaurant food supply service parking under our window three times a week with his diesel kept running for the refrigeration)

servus

markus


"Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io" <moors710@...> hat am 12. Dezember 2017 um 22:31 geschrieben:


These trucks barely make it across North Dakota without a recharge.  They seem not well designed for the western USA.
On 12/12/2017 03:12 PM, Dan Daast wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pepsico-tesla-orders/pepsico-makes-biggest-public-pre-order-of-tesla-semis-100-trucks-idUSKBN1E61FB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a3045c104d3013896142583&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter



Re: PepsiCo makes biggest public pre-order of Tesla Semis

markus baur
 

no reason at all why you could not power a adsorption cooler with diesel (or waste heat from the drive engine, for that matter)

servus

markus

Am 13.12.2017 um 21:39 schrieb John Hamill:

And you would need separate fueling facilities for the truck and the refrigerator unit, with diesel you only need one. For short run propane refridgeration and diesel trucks are adequate, for long haul you need for both to be diesel.
It's going to be interesting to see how the Tesla Semi works, I can well imagine a lot of teething pains working out the exact range and breakdown issues, and several emergency recharges along the highway...
On Dec 13, 2017 9:17 AM, "markus baur" <baur@... <mailto:baur@...>> wrote:
but afaik an absorption cooler (that would work quietly with a
propane flame) would need to be quite a bit bigger for the same power
servus
markus
Am 13.12.2017 um 12:28 schrieb Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io:
When I worked for my Uncle in the egg business, there were two
options for refrigeration units on trailers, propane or diesel.
Diesel was more common, but propane was definitely an available
option.
On 12/12/2017 11:17 PM, markus baur wrote:
it does not have to be a "one size fits all" solution - it
only has to fit a good portion of the market ... many
companies do not need really long range for their truck
fleets ..i think we will be seeing lots of electrics in
short to medium range trucking (inner city, logistics center
to logistics center) where it will be great to get rid of
diesel (I do not like the restaurant food supply service
parking under our window three times a week with his diesel
kept running for the refrigeration)
servus
markus
"Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io"
<moors710@...
<mailto:yahoo.com@groups.io>> hat am 12. Dezember 2017
um 22:31 geschrieben:
These trucks barely make it across North Dakota without
a recharge.  They seem not well designed for the western
USA.
On 12/12/2017 03:12 PM, Dan Daast wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pepsico-tesla-orders/pepsico-makes-biggest-public-pre-order-of-tesla-semis-100-trucks-idUSKBN1E61FB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a3045c104d3013896142583&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
<https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pepsico-tesla-orders/pepsico-makes-biggest-public-pre-order-of-tesla-semis-100-trucks-idUSKBN1E61FB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a3045c104d3013896142583&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter>
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a portrait: http://www.abcgallery.com/A/arcimboldo/arcimboldo9.html

"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

Re: PepsiCo makes biggest public pre-order of Tesla Semis

 

And you would need separate fueling facilities for the truck and the refrigerator unit, with diesel you only need one. For short run propane refridgeration and diesel trucks are adequate, for long haul you need for both to be diesel.
It's going to be interesting to see how the Tesla Semi works, I can well imagine a lot of teething pains working out the exact range and breakdown issues, and several emergency recharges along the highway...

On Dec 13, 2017 9:17 AM, "markus baur" <baur@...> wrote:
but afaik an absorption cooler (that would work quietly with a propane flame) would need to be quite a bit bigger for the same power

servus

markus

Am 13.12.2017 um 12:28 schrieb Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io:
When I worked for my Uncle in the egg business, there were two options for refrigeration units on trailers, propane or diesel. Diesel was more common, but propane was definitely an available option.


On 12/12/2017 11:17 PM, markus baur wrote:

it does not have to be a "one size fits all" solution - it only has to fit a good portion of the market ... many companies do not need really long range for their truck fleets ..i think we will be seeing lots of electrics in short to medium range trucking (inner city, logistics center to logistics center) where it will be great to get rid of diesel (I do not like the restaurant food supply service parking under our window three times a week with his diesel kept running for the refrigeration)

servus

markus


"Marvin Carlson via Groups.Io" <moors710=yahoo.com@groups.io> hat am 12. Dezember 2017 um 22:31 geschrieben:


These trucks barely make it across North Dakota without a recharge.  They seem not well designed for the western USA.
On 12/12/2017 03:12 PM, Dan Daast wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pepsico-tesla-orders/pepsico-makes-biggest-public-pre-order-of-tesla-semis-100-trucks-idUSKBN1E61FB?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a3045c104d3013896142583&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter






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Re: People have spent over $1M buying virtual cats on the Ethereum blockchain

Bobby Hardenbrook
 

I'm really annoyed with coinbase. Been trying to get my account set up for a week now. Meanwhile Eth and Litcoin have risen by 60% and 300% respectively.

Bobby


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:48 PM Andrew Gray <aggray@...> wrote:
I just got approved on coinbase, but I had to try several times. Litecoin is the one booming right now. I suspect Ethereum will follow. If you want to transfer elsewhere after buying in coinbase, use gdax. Same company but lower fees.

Re: People have spent over $1M buying virtual cats on the Ethereum blockchain

Bobby Hardenbrook
 

No idea. I've pretty much given up on recovering those bitcoins. I just have to remind myself that I would have sold a long time ago anyway if I wouldn't have lost them. 

Bobby


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 5:59 PM Andrew Gray <aggray@...> wrote:
I don't suppose you have the wallet seed words (if they used those back then)? You don't need the actual wallet, with the seed you can recreate it. All of the bitcoins are there still, just locked away in the blockchain.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:05 am, Bobby Hardenbrook wrote:

And one point back in like 2010 I had a few bitcoins because I was messing around with bitcoin mining. It was worth like $30 at the time. Today it would literally be worth close to $70,000. Unfortunately I lost that wallet, it was on an old dead hard drive that I lost track of. Of course, in reality I probably would have sold way before it got to today's insane levels.  

Re: Netflix Grabs Hold Of John Scalzi’s Sci-Fi Novel ‘Old Man’s War’ For Jon Shestack, Madhouse

Bobby Hardenbrook
 

They'll have to really push the "niche" and "vintage" angle, combined with a "premium" angle by offering 4k Blu-Rays for rent/sale. (a lot of people can't stream 4k because of their internet connections, or want TRUE 4k which you don't really get from streaming)

Bobby

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 3:21 AM Zearrow <zearrow@...> wrote:
Slightly related since I remember the Blockbuster chain.

There is a chain called Family Video with locations all over this area of SE Michigan. The local outlet just up the road has the following on their big sign out front:
"Dump Netflix Go Vintage"

They are hurting judging by the numbers of cars in the parking lot in the evenings these days as compared to 5 years ago.

-----Original Message-----
From: "rjmanning10 via Groups.Io"
Sent: Dec 9, 2017 2:54 PM

I believe Netflix tried to sell years ago.  If I remember correctly they tried to sell to Blockbuster Video back when they were mail order DVD's and Games and Blockbuster was the king of the video rental market.  Blockbuster said no and within 3 years were downsizing stores.  Maybe that has influenced the Netflix position of sell as well.  

From: Erik Fischer
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 12:27:13 PST
Fight or flight. Netflix saw that they had a window of opportunity where they had two options instead of just one (cash out for MAX $$$), and decided to bet the farm that they can BFMI becoming a content producer on par with their erstwhile suppliers faster than the latter can win a subscriber base on par with Netflix. They traded a smaller slice of the current pie for a chance to eat the other survivors if/when comes the next round of consolidation.
Am 08.12.2017 um 20:12 schrieb agingcow2345:
 

Re: A hypothetical question

Bobby Hardenbrook
 

I'm still bitter about Maxis. EA basically killed the core simulation genre when they bought Maxis. That genre still hasn't really totally revived either. You still don't really see hard core simulation games like Sim Life, Sim Earth, etc, coming out any more. And their hasn't been a true Sim City game since Sim City 4. ('cities : skylines' from Paradox is good but its not really a deep city SIM in the way that sim city 4 was, its more of a pretty transit simulator with a solid city building game around it for dressing)

Bobby


On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 1:31 PM Michael Walsh <mike@...> wrote:
Given the fact that EA is well known for its ability to take fantastic Indy studios and absolutely destroy them*, letting them retain ANY property you (the IP holder) actually care about is utterly foolish.



*Bullfrog, Maxis, Pandemic, Origin, Mythic, Dreamworks and now it looks like Bioware. Note, this is not the complete list of studios / IP EA has acquired and then destroyed. It is simply an 'off the top of my head'.

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Erik Fischer via Groups.Io <erik_fischer_69@...> wrote:
We already know The Mouse basically grabbed the EA by the throat and told them to make the PR shitstorm go away before any of it spilled over to their side of the IP ("Or else!"). This galvanized EA's management into a hasty attempt at spin control so halfhearted and brazenly dishonest (*) that far from putting out the flames it actually ended up adding even more fuel to the blaze. Which has now lead to some fairly gleeful speculation on the potential future of the Star Wars gaming IP should Burbank finally tire of the clownshow and decides to take back its ball.  

http://www.pcgamer.com/if-ea-lost-the-star-wars-license-who-should-get-it-next/
 

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* = some of the 'sleight of hand' shenanigans by EA in their (mis)handling of the consumer backlash didn't just approach outright fraud (https://www.change.org/p/lucasfilm-revoke-ea-s-star-wars-license) they were also so poorly executed you really have to wonder about the median IQ in the EA board room.