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Re: Trump and the US Space Force

 

Per a congressman on a news show its about a budget carveout for anti-satellite and replacement satellite capabilities.  USAF keeps reprogramming the appropriated funds for overruns on F-35, B-3 and operations budgets. A separate service couldn't be diddled this way.  It was similar budget games by Army and Navy that led SOCOM to become a de facto fifth service.  space force would be the sixth.  

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Janet Stirling via Groups.Io <joatsbuddy@...> wrote:
The obvious question is  What the heck are they supposed to be doing?  Is there going to be a space station in orbit staffed by Space Force officers?  And they will be....  doing stuff?   Sounds expensive.  Who's going to be involved in designing the uniforms?

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


-----Original Message-----
From: James Proffer <james@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 6:28 pm
Subject: [stirling] Trump and the US Space Force

Now the obvious question is admirals or generals?  If the USFS lasts, staffing by personnel seconded from the other branches will not suffice.

Re: Trump and the US Space Force

 

If they have ships, then they are a Space Navy.
But I vote for: "The Space Patrol".
One of the first ships should be the "Dahlquist".
The Flagship, of course, should be the "Heinlein".
  

 Legal equality between citizens is the foundation stone of democracy. It is fair, reasonable and totally inclusive.

Re: ATL: Roman Scotland

Dan Daast
 

Interestingly and new to me, it appears that Thurstone's legions are true to the Emberverse type: history as it should have been rather than it was.

if what I've found doing armor research is correct, lorica segmentata was far from common issue in the legions, despite its ubiquity in later pop culture. Maile and scale armor seems to have been the most prevalent through Roman history, along with Hellenic style cuirasses.

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Dale Cozort
 

Judging from some of the articles I've been seeing, I'm guessing that some really big names shorted Tesla and are desperately trying to drive the stock price down before they are forced to make good on their bet. Latest strategy: try to portray Musk as losing his crap under the pressure of getting Tesla production where it needs to be.

That being said, Musk has a track record of making ambitious promises that take quite a bit longer to happen than he initially says they will, but that do happen. Bloomberg has a model to predict Tesla Model 3 production that has been ball park accurate so far and it shows Tesla way behind initial predictions, but doing a pattern of surges toward the end of a reporting period, a fall-off, then a climb back to the top of surge level. Based on their pattern so far, Tesla should hit close to 5000 cars/week by the end of this month, drop quite a bit for a few weeks, then hit a fairly routine 5000/week. At that point, they start working through their backlog, and start producing lower end versions. If demand holds up, Tesla becomes very big.

Of course nothing is certain with startups. They could flame out. A lot of very wealthy people are betting they will. Those people may find that betting big against Musk is a good way to get less wealthy.

Re: Maile to Plate

Dan Daast
 

I've thought about the shield issue, but I'd imagine that even when plate takes away the need for it, they would still probably be cross-trained in its use, given the high possibility they may find themselves in a situation where armor is unavailable or inappropriate.


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 06:19 pm, James Proffer wrote:
On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 18:08 -0700, Dan Daast wrote:
For the folks in the know: as Montival (A-Listers and PPA, specifically) transitioned from chainmail to plate armor, would the training methods for the knights change in any appreciable fashion?

Or is it basically the same regimen, only now they have better protection and better weight distribution? 


Would men at arms wearing gambeson and mail normally use a shield?

Re: Maile to Plate

James Proffer
 

On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 18:08 -0700, Dan Daast wrote:
For the folks in the know: as Montival (A-Listers and PPA, specifically) transitioned from chainmail to plate armor, would the training methods for the knights change in any appreciable fashion?

Or is it basically the same regimen, only now they have better protection and better weight distribution? 


Would men at arms wearing gambeson and mail normally use a shield?

Maile to Plate

Dan Daast
 

For the folks in the know: as Montival (A-Listers and PPA, specifically) transitioned from chainmail to plate armor, would the training methods for the knights change in any appreciable fashion?

Or is it basically the same regimen, only now they have better protection and better weight distribution? 

Re: Trump and the US Space Force

Janet Stirling
 

The obvious question is  What the heck are they supposed to be doing?  Is there going to be a space station in orbit staffed by Space Force officers?  And they will be....  doing stuff?   Sounds expensive.  Who's going to be involved in designing the uniforms?

Jan

Janet Stirling
joatsbuddy@...


From: James Proffer <james@...>
To: stirling <stirling@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 6:28 pm
Subject: [stirling] Trump and the US Space Force

Now the obvious question is admirals or generals?  If the USFS lasts, staffing by personnel seconded from the other branches will not suffice.

Re: Trump and the US Space Force

Allen Pitt
 

So the army will develop flying submersible space-facing tanks and APCs? Makes sense!

On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Stephen Van Sickle <sjv2006@...> wrote:

Baloney. The Navy doesn't work for Stargate either. If, in the unlikely event we can walk to other planets, its gotta be the Army.

Though I'm willing to compromise on the Marines.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 2:29 AM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
Everyone knows the Navy should be handling all space stuff. Admirals! 

I blame Stargate: SG-1 for people even thinking of the Air Force.

On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Gray <aggray@...> wrote:

I say we call them Star Marshalls.

Re: Trump and the US Space Force

Stephen Van Sickle
 

Baloney. The Navy doesn't work for Stargate either. If, in the unlikely event we can walk to other planets, its gotta be the Army.

Though I'm willing to compromise on the Marines.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 2:29 AM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
Everyone knows the Navy should be handling all space stuff. Admirals! 

I blame Stargate: SG-1 for people even thinking of the Air Force.

On Jun 18, 2018, at 9:43 PM, Andrew Gray <aggray@...> wrote:

I say we call them Star Marshalls.

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Tarl Neustaedter
 

On 2018-Jun-19 15:29 , Allen Pitt wrote:
Sure. It'd be one thing if he was doing a Howard Hughes "Hi, I'm insane!" thing...he isn't ranting about invisible enemies, he's citing specific events, complete with having caught the guy and gotten a confession.

My guess would be: disgruntled employee, maybe laid off, who knows ---

In other words, it's not just crazy talk.

I think this is appropriate for the discussion:

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/right

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Allen Pitt
 

Sure, if it was Proctor & Gamble, it'd be a problem. But these are startups. As long as people believe he's a rainmaker, they'll tolerate a lot of eccentricity. 

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:41 PM, Dan Daast <paradoqz@...> wrote:

His problem is not veracity, it's packaging. There's a reason corps do their messaging through anodyne formulas carefully prepped by the PR departments. All the truth in the world is not going to do you any good if the market decides that you *seem* like a crank while saying it.

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:29 pm, Allen Pitt wrote:
Sure. It'd be one thing if he was doing a Howard Hughes "Hi, I'm insane!" thing...he isn't ranting about invisible enemies, he's citing specific events, complete with having caught the guy and gotten a confession.
 
My guess would be: disgruntled employee, maybe laid off, who knows ---
 
In other words, it's not just crazy talk.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:26 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:

..and if you read Musk's email he claims that the person confessed and that they know who it is. It would be kind of bizarre for him to claim such a thing if its not true.
 
Bobby

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
I agree.
 
Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:

 
Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.
 
Bobby
 

 

 

 

 



Re: Is Musk losing it?

Dan Daast
 

His problem is not veracity, it's packaging. There's a reason corps do their messaging through anodyne formulas carefully prepped by the PR departments. All the truth in the world is not going to do you any good if the market decides that you *seem* like a crank while saying it.


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:29 pm, Allen Pitt wrote:
Sure. It'd be one thing if he was doing a Howard Hughes "Hi, I'm insane!" thing...he isn't ranting about invisible enemies, he's citing specific events, complete with having caught the guy and gotten a confession.
 
My guess would be: disgruntled employee, maybe laid off, who knows ---
 
In other words, it's not just crazy talk.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:26 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:

..and if you read Musk's email he claims that the person confessed and that they know who it is. It would be kind of bizarre for him to claim such a thing if its not true.
 
Bobby

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
I agree.
 
Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:

 
Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.
 
Bobby
 

 

 

 

 

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Allen Pitt
 

Sure. It'd be one thing if he was doing a Howard Hughes "Hi, I'm insane!" thing...he isn't ranting about invisible enemies, he's citing specific events, complete with having caught the guy and gotten a confession.

My guess would be: disgruntled employee, maybe laid off, who knows ---

In other words, it's not just crazy talk.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:26 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:

..and if you read Musk's email he claims that the person confessed and that they know who it is. It would be kind of bizarre for him to claim such a thing if its not true.

Bobby

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
I agree.

Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.

Bobby





Re: Is Musk losing it?

Bobby Hardenbrook
 

..and if you read Musk's email he claims that the person confessed and that they know who it is. It would be kind of bizarre for him to claim such a thing if its not true.

Bobby


On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
I agree.

Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.

Bobby

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Bobby Hardenbrook
 


BTW I still think that explosion of the SpaceX rocket on the pad while fueling awhile back was deeply suspicious as well. And apparently SpaceX and others had investigated the possibility of sabotage and eventually dropped it and said they found an accidental cause. I still wonder if they just dropped it because they couldn't prove anything or because they dealt with it quietly behind the scenes, or something.  

On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM Allen Pitt <allenpitt2@...> wrote:
I agree.

Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.

Bobby

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Allen Pitt
 

I agree.

Tesla may not make up, most startups fail. But he has a proven record in SpaceX.... I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:18 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.

Bobby

Re: Is Musk losing it?

Bobby Hardenbrook
 


Actually I think Musk's claims are credible. There is a VAST amount of money invested in the "short community" who have huge incentive to see Tesla fail, plus the usual competition from other car makers who are struggling to produce electric cars with the appeal that Tesla has pulled off. Plus Tesla did just lay off 9% of its work force...not crazy to think that someone in that group could be bitter enough to try to make trouble...or could be paid to do so.
   
Also, I've been deeply suspicious of the media coverage of Tesla for awhile now. Every internal Tesla issue gets blown up and magnified a million times over, literally every single major crash of a Tesla car seems to be front page news, etc. It's out of proportion to the point of being suspicious IMHO.

Bobby


On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:22 PM James Proffer <james@...> wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/elon-musk-email-employee-conducted-extensive-and-damaging-sabotage.html

Even allowing for journalistic incompetence this looks really bad.

Wreckers in the pay of Goldstein?

Anonymous informers on the factory floor.  Workers pulling OT and being pushed to produce.  Employees being threatened into silence on safety issues (https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Tesla-severance-offer-draws-the-line-on-13003759.php ).  What could possibly go wrong?

Would you loan money to this company today?

Re: The Hyborian Age Essay

Allen Pitt
 

REH even wrote a planetary romance novel, kind of like Edgar Rice Burrough's Mars books -- "Almuric".....

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:12 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Love it, love the grand sweep of it. Reminds me of "Last and First Men" a bit. 

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:57 PM Dan Daast <paradoqz@...> wrote:
Came across this for the first time in years. Still stands up - maybe my single favorite piece of writing that Howard has done.

https://hyboria.xoth.net/history/hyborian_age.htm



Re: The Hyborian Age Essay

Allen Pitt
 

I recall it fondly. I still remember reading it the first time --- "And then, 500 years after the reign of Conan the Great...."

epic.

On Jun 19, 2018, at 03:12 PM, Bobby Hardenbrook <bobby.hardenbrook@...> wrote:


Love it, love the grand sweep of it. Reminds me of "Last and First Men" a bit. 

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:57 PM Dan Daast <paradoqz@...> wrote:
Came across this for the first time in years. Still stands up - maybe my single favorite piece of writing that Howard has done.

https://hyboria.xoth.net/history/hyborian_age.htm