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Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Roman,
That's good news. Thank you for your all of your efforts to keep the RDA program alive and well.
Now, one more request -- can you fix the propagation between Russia and the Pacific Northwest of the U.S.? It's very dead lately!
73,
Jim W1YY/7
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From: rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> On Behalf Of ra3r
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2022 10:16 AM
To: rdaworld@groups.io
Subject: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future
Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work.
73, Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r < rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Evgeny Glukhov <voljsky@...>
Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA HAMLOG.online
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work.
73, Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r < rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Ciao, well done Roman, thanks!
73 Giù, IT9VDQ
Il lun 5 dic 2022, 21:15 ra3r < rdaward@...> ha scritto: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Hello, folks.
As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
73! de W1UAA hamlog.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov < voljsky@...> wrote: Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA HAMLOG.online
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work.
73, Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r < rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
W1UAA
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
73! de W1UAA hamlog.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov < voljsky@...> wrote: Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA HAMLOG.online
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work.
73, Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r < rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Da: rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> Per conto di Eugene Glukhov
Inviato: venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
A: Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
Cc: rdaworld@groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Just relax guys. I am sure Roman and Eugene is doing all in their power to restore as much as possible.
Everybody is missing a lot at this time. Me over 400 RDAs. Take a cup of tea, work some RDAs and rest assured that it will be as good as possible.
Even if we end up missing a few RDAs, this is not the end of the world. Work them again.
Sometimes we forget this is a hobby....
73 de Mats RM2D (SM6LRR)
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 14:03 Alex IV3KKW < iv3kkw@...> wrote: Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Mats, I am relaxed and confident 😊 Da: rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> Per conto di SM6LRR
Inviato: venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 13:11
A: rdaworld@groups.io
Cc: Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
Oggetto: Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future Just relax guys. I am sure Roman and Eugene is doing all in their power to restore as much as possible. Everybody is missing a lot at this time. Me over 400 RDAs. Take a cup of tea, work some RDAs and rest assured that it will be as good as possible. Even if we end up missing a few RDAs, this is not the end of the world. Work them again. Sometimes we forget this is a hobby....
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 14:03 Alex IV3KKW < iv3kkw@...> wrote: Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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I agree with Mats, no need to worry. Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly. No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing for sure a big work and they are doing great.
Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha scritto:
Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Da: rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> Per conto di Eugene Glukhov
Inviato: venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
A: Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
Cc: rdaworld@groups.io
Oggetto: Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL scan upload feature. Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information, such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some local forums and maillists from Russia about it. I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio < iz7aue@...> wrote: I agree with Mats, no need to worry. Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly. No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing for sure a big work and they are doing great. 😊Antonio Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha scritto:
Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Dear friends!
Absolutely no policy, no matter where
the person or server is located.
I am grateful to Eugeny for the work
done, for the help offered.
And I hope for further cooperation.
All information will be available
later.
73! RA3R
Roman
02.01.2023 8:57, Eugene Glukhov пишет:
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Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and
prepared other features. I think it was about 75% ready. For
example, we prepared a QSL scan upload feature.
Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and
other information, such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested
us stop all work on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on
RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many
Russian amateurs were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because
HAMLOG is an American web site, managed by a
domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some local forums
and maillists from Russia about it.
I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his
opinion is strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards,
for short-term and long-term awards. We have many features for
award managers, and HAMLOG is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55
AM Antonio < iz7aue@...>
wrote:
I agree with Mats, no need to worry.
Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily
and smoothly.
No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they
are doing
for sure a big work and they are doing great.
😊
Antonio
Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore
12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...>
ha scritto:
Eugene,
thank you
for your work.
What will be
for all the records from July until today ?
I am a bit
worried that something will be lost, I hope to
be wrong.
At today on
Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing !
73s Alex
IV3KKW
Still working.
Stay tuned, good news
coming soon.
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at
10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov
<eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
As I promised some time
ago, updates about migration. We
successfully did the first stage,
conversion and restoring data from the
July backup, and now making the second
stage: migration of old data to Hamlog
data storage.
I hope we will have
finished the second stage by Wednesday or
Thursday.
Then we will reopen the
RDA section on Hamlog with this data and
continue adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for
your patience.
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at
10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...>
wrote:
Yes, I have talked
with Roman about it.
First stage: we
have to restore and migrate data from
the available backup.
I am going to be
inform community about successful
steps.
I hope you are
also able to bring over the
interactive maps. Thanks for your
hard work.
On Mon, Dec 5,
2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...>
wrote:
Dear
friends!
It was decided to transfer the
entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online
platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of
the proposed work is quite large,
the
timing of the resumption of all
RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought
here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Well, hello and HNY.
Few days ago I have checked my RDA status on Hamlog and I miss about 700 rda.
If you migrated all data, as you said, that is not correct.
Hamlog shows about 1850, but I have 2606 confirmed.
I would not rely on Hamlog data.
Best 73 Dino, 9A2NO
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On 02.01.23. 06:57, Eugene Glukhov wrote: Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other
features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL
scan upload feature.
Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information,
such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work
on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs
were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web
site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some
local forums and maillists from Russia about it.
I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is
strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term
and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG
is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
https://hamlog.online
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio <iz7aue@...> wrote:
I agree with Mats, no need to worry.
Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly.
No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing
for sure a big work and they are doing great.
😊
Antonio
Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha
scritto:
Eugene,
thank you for your work.
What will be for all the records from July until today ?
I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong.
At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing !
73s Alex IV3KKW
*Da:* rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> *Per conto di *Eugene
Glukhov
*Inviato:* venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
*A:* Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
*Cc:* rdaworld@groups.io
*Oggetto:* Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future
Still working.
Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
W1UAA
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did
the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and
now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage.
I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue
adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
73! de W1UAA
hamlog.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote:
Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available
backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA
HAMLOG.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 10:29 PM Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz.usa@...> wrote:
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for
your hard work.
73,
Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote:
Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
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73! RA3R
Roman
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It was a data from July 2022 backup of mydx, not more. Obviously it miss new slots for period August - November.
We wanted to use hamlog qso data to add slots for period, but didn't finish. I planned finish it by the end of this week. But now we can't due manager decision.
Sorry about that. We proudly hard worked on it.
73 de W1UAA
Well, hello and HNY.
Few days ago I have checked my RDA status on Hamlog and I miss about 700
rda.
If you migrated all data, as you said, that is not correct.
Hamlog shows about 1850, but I have 2606 confirmed.
I would not rely on Hamlog data.
Best 73 Dino, 9A2NO
On 02.01.23. 06:57, Eugene Glukhov wrote:
> Hello, folks.
>
> We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other
> features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL
> scan upload feature.
> Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information,
> such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
>
> But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work
> on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
>
> I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs
> were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web
> site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some
> local forums and maillists from Russia about it.
> I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is
> strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
>
> I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
>
> Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term
> and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG
> is free for use.
>
> 73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
> https://hamlog.online
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio <iz7aue@...> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Mats, no need to worry.
>> Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly.
>> No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing
>> for sure a big work and they are doing great.
>> 😊
>> Antonio
>>
>> Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>
>>
>> Eugene,
>>
>> thank you for your work.
>>
>>
>>
>> What will be for all the records from July until today ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing !
>>
>>
>>
>> 73s Alex IV3KKW
>>
>>
>>
>> *Da:* rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> *Per conto di *Eugene
>> Glukhov
>> *Inviato:* venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
>> *A:* Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
>> *Cc:* rdaworld@groups.io
>> *Oggetto:* Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future
>>
>>
>>
>> Still working.
>>
>> Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> W1UAA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, folks.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did
>> the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and
>> now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage.
>>
>> I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue
>> adding other features.
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>>
>>
>> Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73! de W1UAA
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>> hamlog.online
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>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available
>> backup.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73! de W1UAA
>>
>> HAMLOG.online
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>>
>>
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>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 10:29 PM Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz.usa@...> wrote:
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>> I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for
>> your hard work.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Jim (AA0MZ)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear friends!
>>
>> It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
>> development on the Hamlog.online platform.
>>
>> Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
>> timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
>> several stages.
>>
>> All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
>> corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
>> <http://x7wz0.mjt.lu/lnk/AUYAAAYqCAMAAAAAAAAAAJQrA9QAAAAANBsAAAAAABcT5gBjm_4eizRyprXZQAmI27pqxWyMvwAWros/1/dEEyLzAQYWnhOkc4Rmy-5g/aHR0cDovL1FSWi5SVQ>
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>> 73! RA3R
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>> Roman
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Ciao Dino,
sorry for trouble and HNY! I saw your mail on RDA group and I have just a question: how to use Hamlog to see RDA situation? I looked carefully at the two menus on the left, but I can't find anything that can show me the situation of my RDA... Could you tell me how you do it? Thank you!
73 Giu, IT9VDQ - one of IB9T
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Il 02/01/2023 07:09, Dino ha scritto: Well, hello and HNY.
Few days ago I have checked my RDA status on Hamlog and I miss about 700 rda.
If you migrated all data, as you said, that is not correct.
Hamlog shows about 1850, but I have 2606 confirmed.
I would not rely on Hamlog data.
Best 73 Dino, 9A2NO
On 02.01.23. 06:57, Eugene Glukhov wrote:
Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other
features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL
scan upload feature.
Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information,
such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work
on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs
were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web
site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some
local forums and maillists from Russia about it.
I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is
strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term
and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG
is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
https://hamlog.online
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio <iz7aue@...> wrote:
I agree with Mats, no need to worry.
Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly.
No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing
for sure a big work and they are doing great.
😊
Antonio
Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha
scritto:
Eugene,
thank you for your work.
What will be for all the records from July until today ?
I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong.
At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing !
73s Alex IV3KKW
*Da:* rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> *Per conto di *Eugene
Glukhov
*Inviato:* venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
*A:* Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
*Cc:* rdaworld@groups.io
*Oggetto:* Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future
Still working.
Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
W1UAA
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did
the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and
now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage.
I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue
adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
73! de W1UAA
hamlog.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote:
Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available
backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA
HAMLOG.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 10:29 PM Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz.usa@...> wrote:
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for
your hard work.
73,
Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote:
Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
<http://x7wz0.mjt.lu/lnk/AUYAAAYqCAMAAAAAAAAAAJQrA9QAAAAANBsAAAAAABcT5gBjm_4eizRyprXZQAmI27pqxWyMvwAWros/1/dEEyLzAQYWnhOkc4Rmy-5g/aHR0cDovL1FSWi5SVQ>
73! RA3R
Roman
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Hello Giu and HNY!
Hamlog stoped all RDA informations and now yoe can not see anything. Sorry
Best 73 Dino, 9A2NO
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On 02.01.23. 07:33, Giuseppe Giunta wrote: Ciao Dino,
sorry for trouble and HNY! I saw your mail on RDA group and I have just a question: how to use Hamlog to see RDA situation? I looked carefully at the two menus on the left, but I can't find anything that can show me the situation of my RDA... Could you tell me how you do it? Thank you!
73 Giu, IT9VDQ - one of IB9T
Il 02/01/2023 07:09, Dino ha scritto:
Well, hello and HNY.
Few days ago I have checked my RDA status on Hamlog and I miss about 700 rda.
If you migrated all data, as you said, that is not correct.
Hamlog shows about 1850, but I have 2606 confirmed.
I would not rely on Hamlog data.
Best 73 Dino, 9A2NO
On 02.01.23. 06:57, Eugene Glukhov wrote:
Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other
features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL
scan upload feature.
Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information,
such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work
on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs
were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web
site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some
local forums and maillists from Russia about it.
I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is
strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term
and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG
is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
https://hamlog.online
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio <iz7aue@...> wrote:
I agree with Mats, no need to worry.
Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly.
No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing
for sure a big work and they are doing great.
😊
Antonio
Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha
scritto:
Eugene,
thank you for your work.
What will be for all the records from July until today ?
I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong.
At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing !
73s Alex IV3KKW
*Da:* rdaworld@groups.io <rdaworld@groups.io> *Per conto di *Eugene
Glukhov
*Inviato:* venerdì 16 dicembre 2022 06:12
*A:* Eugene Glukhov <eg@...>
*Cc:* rdaworld@groups.io
*Oggetto:* Re: [rdaworld] RDA - plans for the near future
Still working.
Stay tuned, good news coming soon.
W1UAA
On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did
the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and
now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage.
I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday.
Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue
adding other features.
Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience.
73! de W1UAA
hamlog.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote:
Hello.
Yes, I have talked with Roman about it.
First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available
backup.
I am going to be inform community about successful steps.
73! de W1UAA
HAMLOG.online
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022, 10:29 PM Mike ZooLoo <aa0mz.usa@...> wrote:
I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for
your hard work.
73,
Jim (AA0MZ)
On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote:
Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
<http://x7wz0.mjt.lu/lnk/AUYAAAYqCAMAAAAAAAAAAJQrA9QAAAAANBsAAAAAABcT5gBjm_4eizRyprXZQAmI27pqxWyMvwAWros/1/dEEyLzAQYWnhOkc4Rmy-5g/aHR0cDovL1FSWi5SVQ>
73! RA3R
Roman
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That is very disappointing to hear, Eugene. After a request was sent out I donated $100 via iz7aue paypal. I don't know if this money went to Hamlog or if it is being used somewhere else. I hope it was not wasted money.
Last I saw on Hamlog my totals were at 457. Just before mydx.eu went down my totals were 533. I thought you were still moving data but you say data was completely moved. I'm not sure what happened here.
You must also be disappointed to have put in all that work and then have the plug pulled. For the Russians that complained, they will hopefully have a solution and not just be noise makers.
Happy New Year ! Jim (AA0MZ)
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 11:58 PM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL scan upload feature. Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information, such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some local forums and maillists from Russia about it. I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio < iz7aue@...> wrote: I agree with Mats, no need to worry. Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly. No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing for sure a big work and they are doing great. 😊Antonio Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha scritto:
Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Hello, Jim.
We didn't ask any donations for HAMLOG, I mean for RDA migration. And HAMLOG got 0 for RDA. We made it as a help for RDA. Yes, we accept contributions from our users in account, and you can see all contributions in account. HAMLOG has enough server resources.
We planned use 3 sources - mydx backup, hamlog data and results of 2022 rda contest. We almost did all changes for restarting. The main features might be finished by the end of the week. And then only additional features, look like specific ratings and statistics.
But now it's a waste of time. Our team spent a few dozens hours for this.
Good luck to Roman. It's a good lesson for the future :=)
That is very disappointing to hear, Eugene. After a request was sent out I donated $100 via iz7aue paypal. I don't know if this money went to Hamlog or if it is being used somewhere else. I hope it was not wasted money.
Last I saw on Hamlog my totals were at 457. Just before mydx.eu went down my totals were 533. I thought you were still moving data but you say data was completely moved. I'm not sure what happened here.
You must also be disappointed to have put in all that work and then have the plug pulled. For the Russians that complained, they will hopefully have a solution and not just be noise makers.
Happy New Year ! Jim (AA0MZ)
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 11:58 PM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL scan upload feature. Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information, such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some local forums and maillists from Russia about it. I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio < iz7aue@...> wrote: I agree with Mats, no need to worry. Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly. No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing for sure a big work and they are doing great. 😊Antonio Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha scritto:
Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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Hi guys, what I am reading today sound very sad, and honestly I can not understand what is going on. I was a very active RDA hunter but now I am a bit sad about the current situation, because hunting for RDA without a tracking software/website is almost impossible (for me). Roman is a very serious person, so I am waiting for his official updates, as all of us I suppose. From my side, I can just say all the donations (including mine), went to the award manager.
73 de Antonio - IZ7AUE.
Il giorno 2 gen 2023, alle ore 11:06, Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> ha scritto:
Hello, Jim.
We didn't ask any donations for HAMLOG, I mean for RDA migration. And HAMLOG got 0 for RDA. We made it as a help for RDA. Yes, we accept contributions from our users in account, and you can see all contributions in account. HAMLOG has enough server resources.
We planned use 3 sources - mydx backup, hamlog data and results of 2022 rda contest. We almost did all changes for restarting. The main features might be finished by the end of the week. And then only additional features, look like specific ratings and statistics.
But now it's a waste of time. Our team spent a few dozens hours for this.
Good luck to Roman. It's a good lesson for the future :=)
That is very disappointing to hear, Eugene. After a request was sent out I donated $100 via iz7aue paypal. I don't know if this money went to Hamlog or if it is being used somewhere else. I hope it was not wasted money.
Last I saw on Hamlog my totals were at 457. Just before mydx.eu went down my totals were 533. I thought you were still moving data but you say data was completely moved. I'm not sure what happened here.
You must also be disappointed to have put in all that work and then have the plug pulled. For the Russians that complained, they will hopefully have a solution and not just be noise makers.
Happy New Year ! Jim (AA0MZ)
On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 11:58 PM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote:
Hello, folks.
We migrated data from database backup about 10 days ago and prepared other features. I think it was about 75% ready. For example, we prepared a QSL scan upload feature. Next step was restarting HAMLOG data based on rules and other information, such as most wanted statistics, and etc.
But a couple hours ago the manager of the award requested us stop all work on RDA. Manager rules, so we stop all work on RDA on the HAMLOG.
I don't know about the reasons for the decision but many Russian amateurs were against using HAMLOG for RDA, because HAMLOG is an American web site, managed by a domestic New Hampshire company. I have read some local forums and maillists from Russia about it. I don't think Roman was influenced by their opinions, his opinion is strong. Definitely, he knows what to do.
I hope Roman is gonna inform you about his plans.
Anyway HAMLOG.online is open for any amateur radio awards, for short-term and long-term awards. We have many features for award managers, and HAMLOG is free for use.
73! de W1UAA, Eugene.
On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 7:55 AM Antonio < iz7aue@...> wrote: I agree with Mats, no need to worry. Let’s just try to help them to move everything easily and smoothly. No need to put pressure on them with our concerns, they are doing for sure a big work and they are doing great. 😊Antonio Il giorno 16 dic 2022, alle ore 12:03, Alex IV3KKW <iv3kkw@...> ha scritto:
Eugene, thank you for your work. What will be for all the records from July until today ? I am a bit worried that something will be lost, I hope to be wrong. At today on Hamlog I have more than 300 RDAs missing ! 73s Alex IV3KKW Still working. Stay tuned, good news coming soon. On Mon, Dec 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Eugene Glukhov <eg@...> wrote: Hello, folks. As I promised some time ago, updates about migration. We successfully did the first stage, conversion and restoring data from the July backup, and now making the second stage: migration of old data to Hamlog data storage. I hope we will have finished the second stage by Wednesday or Thursday. Then we will reopen the RDA section on Hamlog with this data and continue adding other features. Stay tuned. Thanks for your patience. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:57 PM Eugene Glukhov <voljsky@...> wrote: Yes, I have talked with Roman about it. First stage: we have to restore and migrate data from the available backup. I am going to be inform community about successful steps. I hope you are also able to bring over the interactive maps. Thanks for your hard work. On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:15 PM ra3r <rdaward@...> wrote: Dear friends!
It was decided to transfer the entire RDA database and further
development on the Hamlog.online platform.
Due to the fact that the volume of the proposed work is quite large, the
timing of the resumption of all RDA functions will be divided into
several stages.
All information will be brought here, on the RDA forum and in the
corresponding topic on QRZ.RU
73! RA3R
Roman
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