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[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] eBay May 12, 2016


Phil
 

Thanks Dan

The photo of the siege gun being dismantled - additional info of the guns at that location can be found  at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mill

Phil, Bklyn
 
 

On 05/12/16, Daniel Jackson djaxon@... [railwaygun] wrote:
 


Hello Group,  Here are some items to explore on eBay.  Dan


172190688319  --  WW1 Railwaygun, big bore, bold camo. postcard  ( 5-31 )

162046338271  --  WW1 US 14 inch Railwaygun full battery picture, ammo pic.,book. (4-22)

Trains

222101045842  --  1920s USA Whitcomb 16 ton gasoline engine for Du Pont Powder co. (5-31)

311562809376  --  19xxs USA Whitcomb ex US Army 7718 a 4 wheel small engine.  ( March 17)

331840536915  --  WW1 USA Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen Service Medal.(5-2)

262410138391  --  1941 ENGLISH WOMEN MAINTAIN LOCOMOTIVE RR TRAIN.  ( 5-1 )

222098766542  --  WW2 German panzerzug with Mk 4 turrets, long guns, extra spaced armor. (5-3)

182007998715  --  WW2 German Draisine Zug Schienen Auto Ostfront Norvegen.  (FEB - 9)

Hospital Trains

401115979451  --  WW1 BRITISH LIGHT HOSPITAL TRAIN SALONIKA FRONT 1914-1918. (5-4)

182119416232  --  WW1 BRITISH HOSPITAL TRAIN WESTERN FRONT 1914-1918.     (5-4)

301946945064  --  1928 French ambulances at a train wreck.  No train cars shown.

381623163707  --  WW1 book LNWR Great War Ambulance Trains., Philip A Millard.

152085869290  --  WW2 bookMercy Trains, by Harvey - Australian Army Ambulance Trains.

Guns

231941211760  --  WARWICKSHIRE, COVENTRY, 13.5 INCH GUN ON RAILWAY TRUCK.

262417443483  --  WW1 German large gun on wheels listed as Railwaygun. (5-9)

191856895646  -- 1916 USA Army Coast Artillery 14 inch Hawaii 1916. (5-13)

191861431694  -- 1930 US Coast Artillery at Battery Smith No 1 - Fort Mills, Corregidor. (5-8)

222110358042  -- Dismantling Siege Gun at Martin Mill, 26-06-1946. (5-14)

Models and Toys

272234885277  --  N Aurora Postage Stamp US Army flat car Hardest to find APS car. (6-5)

351730081460  --  1-350 Big Blue Boy #36002 German 80cm Dora Resin Kit & Etched.





Robert Duchesneau
 

Linked gun types and Cross-Channel Guns article in Martin Mill article, corrected common misconception that Scene Shifter was bored out to 18 inches.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Channel_guns_in_the_Second_World_War

 

-Robert Duchesneau

 

 

From: railwaygun@... [mailto:railwaygun@...]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:17 AM
To: railwaygun@...
Subject: Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] eBay May 12, 2016

 

 

Thanks Dan

The photo of the siege gun being dismantled - additional info of the guns at that location can be found  at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mill

Phil, Bklyn

 

 


Robert Duchesneau
 

This photo is of a former 13.5-inch Mark V gun with an extended 8-inch liner, making it a hypervelocity gun (supergun) named “Bruce”. It was deployed in January 1943 and tested (but not used cross-Channel) near St. Margaret’s. A forum post indicates it’s near the emplacement for “Pooh”. I am poking around the Net for info as I’m planning to add it to the Wikipedia article on 13.5-inch Mark V guns. I’ve found a few links, but most are unsourced forum posts. Surprisingly, the gun isn’t at NavWeaps.com, although two WWI predecessors are.



-Robert Duchesneau







From: railwaygun@... [mailto:railwaygun@...]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:17 AM
To: railwaygun@...
Subject: Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] eBay May 12, 2016





Thanks Dan

The photo of the siege gun being dismantled - additional info of the guns at that location can be found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mill

Phil, Bklyn





On 05/12/16, Daniel Jackson djaxon@... [railwaygun]<railwaygun@...> wrote:





Hello Group, Here are some items to explore on eBay. Dan



172190688319 -- WW1 Railwaygun, big bore, bold camo. postcard ( 5-31 )

162046338271 -- WW1 US 14 inch Railwaygun full battery picture, ammo pic.,book. (4-22)

Trains

222101045842 -- 1920s USA Whitcomb 16 ton gasoline engine for Du Pont Powder co. (5-31)

311562809376 -- 19xxs USA Whitcomb ex US Army 7718 a 4 wheel small engine. ( March 17)

331840536915 -- WW1 USA Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen Service Medal.(5-2)

262410138391 -- 1941 ENGLISH WOMEN MAINTAIN LOCOMOTIVE RR TRAIN. ( 5-1 )

222098766542 -- WW2 German panzerzug with Mk 4 turrets, long guns, extra spaced armor. (5-3)

182007998715 -- WW2 German Draisine Zug Schienen Auto Ostfront Norvegen. (FEB - 9)

Hospital Trains

401115979451 -- WW1 BRITISH LIGHT HOSPITAL TRAIN SALONIKA FRONT 1914-1918. (5-4)

182119416232 -- WW1 BRITISH HOSPITAL TRAIN WESTERN FRONT 1914-1918. (5-4)

301946945064 -- 1928 French ambulances at a train wreck. No train cars shown.

381623163707 -- WW1 book LNWR Great War Ambulance Trains., Philip A Millard.

152085869290 -- WW2 bookMercy Trains, by Harvey - Australian Army Ambulance Trains.

Guns

231941211760 -- WARWICKSHIRE, COVENTRY, 13.5 INCH GUN ON RAILWAY TRUCK.

262417443483 -- WW1 German large gun on wheels listed as Railwaygun. (5-9)

191856895646 -- 1916 USA Army Coast Artillery 14 inch Hawaii 1916. (5-13)

191861431694 -- 1930 US Coast Artillery at Battery Smith No 1 - Fort Mills, Corregidor. (5-8)

222110358042 -- Dismantling Siege Gun at Martin Mill, 26-06-1946. (5-14)

Models and Toys

272234885277 -- N Aurora Postage Stamp US Army flat car Hardest to find APS car. (6-5)

351730081460 -- 1-350 Big Blue Boy #36002 German 80cm Dora Resin Kit & Etched.









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Gordon Angus Mackinlay
 

Re Mr Duchesneau message : "This photo is of a former 13.5-inch Mark V gun with an extended 8-inch liner, making it a hypervelocity gun (supergun) named “Bruce”. It was deployed in January 1943 and tested (but not used cross-Channel) near St. Margaret’s. A forum post indicates it’s near the emplacement for “Pooh”. I am poking around the Net for info as I’m planning to add it to the Wikipedia article on 13.5-inch Mark V guns. I’ve found a few links, but most are unsourced forum posts. Surprisingly, the gun isn’t at NavWeaps.com, although two WWI predecessors are."

The following is in relation to this scientific tool :

http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=453.0;wap2

As can be seen the item is based upon the War Diary of the Royal Marine Siege Regiment, in fact this scientific tool had no intention of being used as a actual weapon of war, but, as a tool for the research into various aspects of supersonic/hypersonic physics.

The site was chosen because of the Regiment, the use of the weapon in trials would not provoke any security risks "just part of the normal shelling", it an area of good clear visual conditions though out the year to obtain good records of the usage, and it close to the various government Establishments that had need for its scientific information.

The development at such a high level of engineering commitment (and finance) to produce the modified gun and its exotic ammunition at a critical period of the war, and the fact that its actual usage had absolutely no bearing of the Regiment role in killing Germans, should give a indication that it was not exactly a weapon of war.

MAURICE-JONES, Colonel K.W., DSO, late RA. the author of "The History of Coast Artillery in the British Army." who was in the late 1950's a senior lecturer at the (then) Royal Military College of Science Shrivenham, gave a lecture to the Royal United Service Institute in London in 1961 (recorded in their Journal) on the role of military science during the 1939-45. He stating that the gun was developed as a scientific tool on the direction of Professor F.A.Lindemann, Churchill's scientific advisor (described as the The Most Powerful Scientist Ever), with its trials/testing being of use to a number of scientific institutions within the UK.

The Official History of The Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough, gives a description of the development, which was of major scientific use to a number of the RAE's scientific and engineering departments. Of other Government bodies involved with major use in it, the Signals and Radar Establishment (SRDE Christchurch) and the Aeroplane and Armaments Experimental Establishment (A&AEE, Boscombe Down) were of significance.

The Museum of the Farnborough Air Sciences Trust (FAST).; holds a vast collection of the records of the RAE, including the use of military weapons to carry out research in the 1939 onwards period, including that of the hyper-velocity gun.

In :
FLOWER Stephen. Barnes Wallis' Tallboy, Dambuster and Grand Slam. (published in the USA as A Hell of a Bomb : How the bombs of Barnes Wallis helped win the Second World War)
mention is made of how tests with the guns and its various types of shell assisted the development of the 22,000 pound Grand Slam bomb. Which aeronautically was totally different to the 12,000 pound Tallboy.

Which research carried on to the post war use of the USAF Convair B-36 Peacemaker bomber, in the design and development of the T-12 Cloudmaker 43,600pound earthquake bomb, to be dropped from 30-40,000 feet.

And today the development of the USAF 30,000 GBU-57A/B Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), is a direct link to the war time experiments.

Yours,
MACKINLAY New South Wales


Robert Duchesneau
 

Thanks to Gordon’s email and sources, I have added Bruce to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BL_13.5-inch_Mk_V_naval_gun , with a mention in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergun article (where I improved the bit on the Paris Gun, deleting the statement it was a railway gun, but it needs more). 

 

-Robert Duchesneau

 

From: railwaygun@... [mailto:railwaygun@...]
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:08 PM
To: railwaygun@...
Subject: Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] eBay May 12, 2016

 

 

Re Mr Duchesneau message : "This photo is of a former 13.5-inch Mark V gun
with an extended 8-inch liner, making it a hypervelocity gun (supergun)
named “Bruce”. It was deployed in January 1943 and tested (but not used
cross-Channel) near St. Margaret’s. A forum post indicates it’s near the
emplacement for “Pooh”. I am poking around the Net for info as I’m planning
to add it to the Wikipedia article on 13.5-inch Mark V guns. I’ve found a
few links, but most are unsourced forum posts. Surprisingly, the gun isn’t
at NavWeaps.com, although two WWI predecessors are."

The following is in relation to this scientific tool :

http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=453.0;wap2

As can be seen the item is based upon the War Diary of the Royal Marine
Siege Regiment, in fact this scientific tool had no intention of being used
as a actual weapon of war, but, as a tool for the research into various
aspects of supersonic/hypersonic physics.