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daniel jackson <djaxon@...>
 

Hello group,
I watched a VHS tape this weekend from the Time Life series, "Hitler's Big Guns", *scorched earth" series, 2001 dated. Some nice footage of the railguns, but very short time/subject of railguns on screen, with a lot of time on the other big army artillery guns.
The narrator claimed that the the anzio annie pair of railguns were due to go to North Africa , but did not make it in time. Is there any more to this story/idea? Were they for the Tunisia later '42 time, or were they started on their way to help in the drive to Egypt in early '42. With only one rail line along the coast this seems like a slim chance of working out well for the railguns going to Egypt. But the mountains of Tunisia might have worked out better.
As a long time north Africa wargamer, it would be nice to have "what if " information for the employment of railguns!!
And of course, I'll bet Mr. Churchill would have sent a couple of railguns to Egypt if he had found out his troops were being bothered by DAK railguns! Would he have given them a code nickname as like "cubs" for the tank shipments?

Dan

Re: The Lake Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II

brenzett_wing <timmoore@...>
 

--- In railwaygun@..., dave pierson <davep@q...> wrote:
My understanding is that the Soviet Union ran a railway across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to St Petersburg/Petrograd .
Maybe this refers to the ice bridge built across the Dneiper by the
Germans in 1941-42? For those not familiar with this the bridge was
built from 15,640 blocks of river ice cut from downstream of the
bridge site. The bridge was tested with a 120 ton load and carried
4,500 wagon loads of supplies during the 2 month life of the
construction. Many more wagons could have been accomodated but the
feeder lines could not cope.

Tim M

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Canadian Video

Raimondo L.Torelli <thealamo@...>
 

Sep 28 2004

Rolf
Thank you for the info! However, I need some more help! The best price is at http://www.railwaymuseum.com/store/video%20details.htm (32.99 instead of 35.95 Can. Dollars, but this URL does not give any info on the name of the dealer nor his address nor mailing charges...
Can you help?
THANK YOU!
Raimondo

At 17.15 27/09/2004 +0200, ROLF wrote:

Hello, Raimondo.
Try these ...

http://www.spitcrazy.com/train.htm

http://www.railwaymuseum.com/store/video%20details.htm

http://www.elmwoodhobbyworks.ca/videosclasssteam.htm

Hth.

Kind Regards

Rolf Giebeler, Germany

Ebay items sept 28

daniel jackson <djaxon@...>
 

Hello, here are some ebay items related to big guns. Dan

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The Lake Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II

Gordon Angus Mackinlay
 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Mr Duchesneau wrote : "I've heard from two independent merchant sailor
sources that sometimes merchant ships supplying Archangel would let
themselves freeze into the ice over the winter, and were unloaded by a
temporary RR "laid" over the ice."

Firstly, may I say that if a ship be it wooden hulled or steel, if left in a
area where the water freezes over has one result, the hull is crushed by the
forces of the ice. Just think of Shackleton's expedition ship Endeavour in
the Antartic in 1915.

Secondly, during WWII if ships were unable to return to the British ports
for whatever reason, they were moved to the ice free port of Murmansk on the
Barent's Sea..

Thirdly, why would you leave a ship off the Archangel roads to be unloaded,
there was ample wharf and pier space to unload ships within the harbour
complex.

Fourthly, ice in open ocean waters (even though the White Sea is
semi-enclosed) does not freeze into nice flat areas due to tidal ebb and
flow (also the effects of storms out to sea increase the water in such
areas), the ice is ribbed and it constantly buckles due to pressure. Due to
the freezing differences between saltwater and fresh, this also causes
surface differences. To which also must be added the snow/rain fall factor
with sea ice.

I started my working life off as a trainee merchant navy deck officer in the
Union Castle Line, and you soon learn that seamans 'rhubarb' stories need to
be taken with a shovel of salt not just a grain. Yet they are firmly
believed, a couple of weeks ago a lady was telling a dinner party abouts
ships 'golden rivets', how every ship, her father who had been a ships
officer told her, was at launching fitted with a 'golden rivet' to ensure
the ships luck. The 'golden rivet' was slang for sodomy, and it was common
practice to send 'new chums' ie those on their first voyage to go and look
for the 'golden rivet', if they were lucky they were made to luck a fool, if
they were'nt!!!!

Yours,
G/.

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] The Lake Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II

Robert E. Duchesneau
 

I've heard from two independent merchant sailor sources that sometimes
merchant ships supplying Archangel would let themselves freeze into the ice
over the winter, and were unloaded by a temporary RR "laid" over the ice.
The rails were placed on the ice and were then hosed down by the fire dept.,
guaranteeing a solid connection until spring!

-Rob D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Angus Mackinlay [mailto:gam47@...]
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2004 1:30 PM
To: railwaygun@...
Subject: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] The Lake
Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II


Gentlemen,

Mr Pierson wrote : "My understanding is that the Soviet Union ran a railway
across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to St Petersburg/Petrograd "

During the winter of 1941-42, there was a resupply road constructed across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to the besieged city of Leningrad. This consisting
of a corduroy road built over the ice. This allowing light motor trucks
(11/2tonners) to maintain a supply route. There was no railway across,
whilst the ice was thick there is no way that such could hold the kinetic
pressure of a rail engine and trucks, plus the German artillery and air
attacks that were made onto the truck route, required constant repair.
The trucks started off from the rail head east of Tikhvin.

In the winter of 1942-43 the same resupply road was constructed. On 19 Jan
1943, the Shock Armies of Govoro and Mereskov met east of Shlisselburg,
breaking the Leningrad blockade. The German counter-attack restricted this
gain to a ten km corridor, this however allowed the reconstruction of the
railway track. On 7 Feb a train passed through the corridor and crossed the
Neva River on a special bridge laid over the ice. The rail line, although
it was exposed to artillery fire and had to be repaired daily, operated
continuously thereafter, although it required a massive logistical effort to
keep it working.

Yours,
G/.






The Railwaygun, Armoured train and Military railway museum
www.railwaygun.co.uk
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The Lake Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II

Gordon Angus Mackinlay
 

Gentlemen,

Mr Pierson wrote : "My understanding is that the Soviet Union ran a railway
across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to St Petersburg/Petrograd "

During the winter of 1941-42, there was a resupply road constructed across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to the besieged city of Leningrad. This consisting
of a corduroy road built over the ice. This allowing light motor trucks
(11/2tonners) to maintain a supply route. There was no railway across,
whilst the ice was thick there is no way that such could hold the kinetic
pressure of a rail engine and trucks, plus the German artillery and air
attacks that were made onto the truck route, required constant repair.
The trucks started off from the rail head east of Tikhvin.

In the winter of 1942-43 the same resupply road was constructed. On 19 Jan
1943, the Shock Armies of Govoro and Mereskov met east of Shlisselburg,
breaking the Leningrad blockade. The German counter-attack restricted this
gain to a ten km corridor, this however allowed the reconstruction of the
railway track. On 7 Feb a train passed through the corridor and crossed the
Neva River on a special bridge laid over the ice. The rail line, although
it was exposed to artillery fire and had to be repaired daily, operated
continuously thereafter, although it required a massive logistical effort to
keep it working.

Yours,
G/.

The Lake Ladoga Ice Railway of WW II

dave pierson <davep@...>
 

My understanding is that the Soviet Union ran a railway across
the ice of Lake Ladoga to St Petersburg/Petrograd .

Was this a substantial part of the supply effort?

Are there available references?

For conveneince, are there any web references?

best
dwp

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Canadian Video

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello, Raimondo.


Try these ...

http://www.spitcrazy.com/train.htm

http://www.railwaymuseum.com/store/video%20details.htm

http://www.elmwoodhobbyworks.ca/videosclasssteam.htm

Hth.

Kind Regards

Rolf Giebeler, Germany


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Canadian Video

Raimondo L.Torelli <thealamo@...>
 

Sep 27 2004

Listers,
by going through my files I have just realized that I do not have the video on the WWII Canadian armoured train... I suppose that I simply forgot to order it...
Anybody has a source for it?
the video is: "CANADIAN STEAM AT WAR" by Aviation Videos Limited, 50 min, B&W and Colour, price $ 34.95 (I suppose Canadian Dollars).
The URL was http://www.aviationvideos.com/avs/csaw-im.html
but it does not come out...

Any suggestion?
Regards and Don't forget that Military Model Railroading is More Fun!

Raimondo
Do not Make Love, Make War! YES! HO Scale!!

Re: re; History of French Railwayguns

lru29
 

I got my copies of Col. Francois' two volumes and Chazette's books
from from La Librairie Histoire et Fortifications, I hope they still
are in print and are available because they are good books:

http://www.histoire-fortifications.com/

--- In railwaygun@..., "arsenal1nz" <jocelyn.tony@x>
wrote:
--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...> wrote:
Yes, the French designation is 274 G Modele 1917. Battery 692
was the German Unit.

As far as the source of this information, for any information on
or
to identify any French Railgun, the main source to use is:

Histoire De L'Artillerie Lourde Sur Voie FerrŽe Fran�aise
by Colonel Guy Fran�ois

1919-1945, Hors SŽrie No. 1, PB, 80 pp., Histoire &
Fortifications
Magazine, Nov. 2000, ISBN 2-9516102-0-3. Maps, plans,
drawings, and B&W photos. French text.

1886-1918, Hors SŽrie No. 2, PB, 80 pp., Histoire &
Fortifications
Magazine, Sept. 2001, ISBN 2-9516102-2-X. Plans, drawings,
and B&W photos. French text.

This is a comprehensive history of French railguns. In this case
the 1919-1945 volume includes a list of the types and numbers
of French railguns captured by the Germans in 1940, and the
units they later served with in the German Army. It also has a
chronological history of the German Army's use of the captured
French railguns and in this case for 1944 on the Western front
it
specifically says one 274 modele 1917(a photo, taken from a
different angle than the one on the 36th Div. webite, shows the
captured gun), was lost at Montelimar by Battery 692 during the
German Army's retreat up the Rhone Valley, due to its locamotive
being destroyed by allied aircraft. It also says that one
285mm(Mod. 1917) and two more 274 mm guns were captured
at Livron(which is also in the Rhone Valley). Col. Francois
doesn't identify which German Unit they were from, but since he
says that Battery 692 had three of the 274mm guns assigned to
it, most likely they were the remaining two guns of that
battery.Which unit the 285mm came from is an open question,
since that type of gun was among those captured in 1940, but
the Col. doesn't show any German unit equipped with it.

Lee



Tony writes:-
Hi Lee
Is it possible to get copies of the above 3 books/magazines that
you
refer to ? Websites they may be avialable from ????

Thanks

re; History of French Railwayguns

arsenal1nz <jocelyn.tony@...>
 

--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...> wrote:
Yes, the French designation is 274 G Modele 1917. Battery 692
was the German Unit.

As far as the source of this information, for any information on
or
to identify any French Railgun, the main source to use is:

Histoire De L'Artillerie Lourde Sur Voie FerrŽe Fran�aise
by Colonel Guy Fran�ois

1919-1945, Hors SŽrie No. 1, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Nov. 2000, ISBN 2-9516102-0-3. Maps, plans,
drawings, and B&W photos. French text.

1886-1918, Hors SŽrie No. 2, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Sept. 2001, ISBN 2-9516102-2-X. Plans, drawings,
and B&W photos. French text.

This is a comprehensive history of French railguns. In this case
the 1919-1945 volume includes a list of the types and numbers
of French railguns captured by the Germans in 1940, and the
units they later served with in the German Army. It also has a
chronological history of the German Army's use of the captured
French railguns and in this case for 1944 on the Western front it
specifically says one 274 modele 1917(a photo, taken from a
different angle than the one on the 36th Div. webite, shows the
captured gun), was lost at Montelimar by Battery 692 during the
German Army's retreat up the Rhone Valley, due to its locamotive
being destroyed by allied aircraft. It also says that one
285mm(Mod. 1917) and two more 274 mm guns were captured
at Livron(which is also in the Rhone Valley). Col. Francois
doesn't identify which German Unit they were from, but since he
says that Battery 692 had three of the 274mm guns assigned to
it, most likely they were the remaining two guns of that
battery.Which unit the 285mm came from is an open question,
since that type of gun was among those captured in 1940, but
the Col. doesn't show any German unit equipped with it.

Lee



Tony writes:-
Hi Lee
Is it possible to get copies of the above 3 books/magazines that you
refer to ? Websites they may be avialable from ????

Thanks

[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

tompeters30907
 

Some additional information for you, which i stumbled upon by
accident this afternoon. I had pulled out and was reading my
copy of:

Atlantikwall-Sudwall:Sur les traces du temps by Alain
Chazette,Editions Histoire et Fortifications, (2003), ISBN
2-9516102-9-7, b+w and color photos, maps, drawings.

which is a survey of the Atlanticwall and Southwall. In the chapter
on the Defenses of the Sector of Marseille is another, different
photo of the abandoned 38cm Siegfried. He says in the text that
in 1943, Eisenbahn-Artillerie-Abteilung 640, consisted of two
batteries, Eisenbahn Batteries 692 and 698, and was assigned
to this area. Eisenbahn Battery 692 had three 274 mm K(E)
592(f)(the German designation for these captured French guns),
and Eisenbahn Battery 692 also had an accompanying battery
(Bttr 692) with 4 15,2 cm K433/1(r) captured horsedrawn
Russian Guns. They were based at Chateauneuf on the
southern coast of France. Eisenbahn Battery
698 had two 38cm Siegfried, and its accompanying battery(Bttr.
698) also had 4 15,2 cm K433/1(r) and they were based at
Marignane. In 1944, still another Eisenbahn Battery joined these
two, it was Eisenbahn Battery 749, equipped with two 28 cm K5.
These three railway batteries withdrew up the Rhone Valley and
on August 23, 1944 were halted near La Coucourde by Allied Air
attacks.
Lee
Lee, you beat me to a question. I was about to ask whether or not
the additional smaller guns (152, 20mm) were rail borne or not. Of
course, now I wonder if those additional guns actually made it to
Montelimar or not.

thanks again,

Tom

[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

lru29
 

Some additional information for you, which i stumbled upon by
accident this afternoon. I had pulled out and was reading my
copy of:

Atlantikwall-Sudwall:Sur les traces du temps by Alain
Chazette,Editions Histoire et Fortifications, (2003), ISBN
2-9516102-9-7, b+w and color photos, maps, drawings.

which is a survey of the Atlanticwall and Southwall. In the chapter
on the Defenses of the Sector of Marseille is another, different
photo of the abandoned 38cm Siegfried. He says in the text that
in 1943, Eisenbahn-Artillerie-Abteilung 640, consisted of two
batteries, Eisenbahn Batteries 692 and 698, and was assigned
to this area. Eisenbahn Battery 692 had three 274 mm K(E)
592(f)(the German designation for these captured French guns),
and Eisenbahn Battery 692 also had an accompanying battery
(Bttr 692) with 4 15,2 cm K433/1(r) captured horsedrawn
Russian Guns. They were based at Chateauneuf on the
southern coast of France. Eisenbahn Battery
698 had two 38cm Siegfried, and its accompanying battery(Bttr.
698) also had 4 15,2 cm K433/1(r) and they were based at
Marignane. In 1944, still another Eisenbahn Battery joined these
two, it was Eisenbahn Battery 749, equipped with two 28 cm K5.
These three railway batteries withdrew up the Rhone Valley and
on August 23, 1944 were halted near La Coucourde by Allied Air
attacks.
Lee

--- In railwaygun@..., "tompeters30907"
<gionpeters@c...> wrote:
--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...>
wrote:
I notice in the email of my post that the title was screwed up
because I had the accent marks in it, here it is, hopefully not
garbled, again:
Lee, thank you very much for all this excellent information. This
really nails the identity of the two RR gun batteries in question.

What other OOB info do you have ? I am trying to put together
an OOB
for Montelimar.

thanks,

Tom

[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

lru29
 

Most of the OOB info I have is broad OOB stuff that allows you to
ID the existance of a unit, but would not usually help in putting it
at a particular spot like Montelimar. Unit after action reports or
something like that would probably be what you would need to
do something like that.

--- In railwaygun@..., "tompeters30907"
<gionpeters@c...> wrote:
--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...>
wrote:
I notice in the email of my post that the title was screwed up
because I had the accent marks in it, here it is, hopefully not
garbled, again:
Lee, thank you very much for all this excellent information. This
really nails the identity of the two RR gun batteries in question.

What other OOB info do you have ? I am trying to put together
an OOB
for Montelimar.

thanks,

Tom

Ebay items sept 23

daniel jackson <djaxon@...>
 

Hello, some ebay items.
Dan

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[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

tompeters30907
 

--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...> wrote:
I notice in the email of my post that the title was screwed up
because I had the accent marks in it, here it is, hopefully not
garbled, again:
Lee, thank you very much for all this excellent information. This
really nails the identity of the two RR gun batteries in question.

What other OOB info do you have ? I am trying to put together an OOB
for Montelimar.

thanks,

Tom

[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

lru29
 

I notice in the email of my post that the title was screwed up
because I had the accent marks in it, here it is, hopefully not
garbled, again:

Artillerie Cotiere: Atlantikwall et Sudwall en France

--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...>
wrote:
From my own research a few years ago I was already aware
that
only one German unit in France was equipped with the 380mm
Siegfried, that it was stationed in the south of France in 1944
and
that it lost one of its two guns in the retreat up the Rhone valley.

My main source was:


Artillerie C™ti�re: Atlantikwall et SŸdwall en France
Alain Chazette

Fortifications & Patrimoine, Mai 1999, Hors-Serie No. 1, 64
pages, B&W photos and drawings, paperback, French
Text

This book lists/illustrates every type of artillery piece used in
the
Atlanticwall and Southwall in France, German guns or
captured
foreign guns, including railguns. It also lists German units
equipped with these types of guns.
In his section on the 380mm Siegfried, Chazette has one
photo
of it, a nice picture(which also by the way appears in some
other
railgun books too) with a nice caption that says 38cm Siegfried
of Eis-Bttr 698 of Marignane(the Battery's original location on
the
Southwall), abandoned on the railway near La
Coucourde(which
is in the Rhone Valley and which is mentioned on the 36th Div.
website). 698 is the only unit listed by Chazette that had this
type
of weapon and he lists it in the south of France at Marignane. I
had also cross-checked the Battery Number with a
computerized
database I have which combines info from Jason Long and
Nafzinger, and it confirmed this battery was equipped with this
weapon at the time.

Lee




--- In railwaygun@..., Tom and Lisa P
<gionpeters@c...> wrote:
By the way, this 380mm gun belonged to Eisenbahn Battery
698,
which had two of them and which was stationed on the
southern
coast of France. After the American invasion, the battery
retreated
north with other German units, losing the one gun in the
process, the other gun making it back to Germany.
The 698th was the only unit I found listed to have 380mm
guns, so it
appears that now that unit is nailed down.

Just curious, where do you get your info from ? I should
probably
write all the references down.

thanks,

Tom

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: need information on Ger

lru29
 

From my own research a few years ago I was already aware that
only one German unit in France was equipped with the 380mm
Siegfried, that it was stationed in the south of France in 1944 and
that it lost one of its two guns in the retreat up the Rhone valley.

My main source was:


Artillerie C™ti�re: Atlantikwall et SŸdwall en France
Alain Chazette

Fortifications & Patrimoine, Mai 1999, Hors-Serie No. 1, 64
pages, B&W photos and drawings, paperback, French
Text

This book lists/illustrates every type of artillery piece used in the
Atlanticwall and Southwall in France, German guns or captured
foreign guns, including railguns. It also lists German units
equipped with these types of guns.
In his section on the 380mm Siegfried, Chazette has one photo
of it, a nice picture(which also by the way appears in some other
railgun books too) with a nice caption that says 38cm Siegfried
of Eis-Bttr 698 of Marignane(the Battery's original location on the
Southwall), abandoned on the railway near La Coucourde(which
is in the Rhone Valley and which is mentioned on the 36th Div.
website). 698 is the only unit listed by Chazette that had this type
of weapon and he lists it in the south of France at Marignane. I
had also cross-checked the Battery Number with a computerized
database I have which combines info from Jason Long and
Nafzinger, and it confirmed this battery was equipped with this
weapon at the time.

Lee




--- In railwaygun@..., Tom and Lisa P
<gionpeters@c...> wrote:
By the way, this 380mm gun belonged to Eisenbahn Battery
698,
which had two of them and which was stationed on the
southern
coast of France. After the American invasion, the battery
retreated
north with other German units, losing the one gun in the
process, the other gun making it back to Germany.
The 698th was the only unit I found listed to have 380mm
guns, so it
appears that now that unit is nailed down.

Just curious, where do you get your info from ? I should
probably
write all the references down.

thanks,

Tom

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

274mm-Re: need information on German RR guns....

lru29
 

Yes, the French designation is 274 G Modele 1917. Battery 692
was the German Unit.

As far as the source of this information, for any information on or
to identify any French Railgun, the main source to use is:

Histoire De L'Artillerie Lourde Sur Voie FerrŽe Fran�aise
by Colonel Guy Fran�ois

1919-1945, Hors SŽrie No. 1, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Nov. 2000, ISBN 2-9516102-0-3. Maps, plans,
drawings, and B&W photos. French text.

1886-1918, Hors SŽrie No. 2, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Sept. 2001, ISBN 2-9516102-2-X. Plans, drawings,
and B&W photos. French text.

This is a comprehensive history of French railguns. In this case
the 1919-1945 volume includes a list of the types and numbers
of French railguns captured by the Germans in 1940, and the
units they later served with in the German Army. It also has a
chronological history of the German Army's use of the captured
French railguns and in this case for 1944 on the Western front it
specifically says one 274 modele 1917(a photo, taken from a
different angle than the one on the 36th Div. webite, shows the
captured gun), was lost at Montelimar by Battery 692 during the
German Army's retreat up the Rhone Valley, due to its locamotive
being destroyed by allied aircraft. It also says that one
285mm(Mod. 1917) and two more 274 mm guns were captured
at Livron(which is also in the Rhone Valley). Col. Francois
doesn't identify which German Unit they were from, but since he
says that Battery 692 had three of the 274mm guns assigned to
it, most likely they were the remaining two guns of that
battery.Which unit the 285mm came from is an open question,
since that type of gun was among those captured in 1940, but
the Col. doesn't show any German unit equipped with it.

Lee



--- In railwaygun@..., "tompeters30907"
<gionpeters@c...> wrote:
--- In railwaygun@..., "Lee" <lunterborn@a...>
wrote:
Its a French gun captured in 1940.
274 mm, I take it ? Thats the only French RR gun Nafziger
identifies for 1944.

thanks,

Tom