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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Raimondo L.Torelli <thealamo@...>
 

At 17.49 01/11/2004 +0000, mnrdunck wrote:

Joe,
the reason for removing the generator section is not width or height
but rather it butted up to the rear of the gun making it impossible
for the rear bogies to be able to turn on a curve.
I can try to post a picture showing the generator of Robert ("R") on a flatcar behind the gun.
Mark,
I have not seen your generator picture before. Thank you! However, I have another picture (a photocopy) showing the generator loaded on a 2-axle flatcar at the Civitavecchia railway yard, where the two K5(E) (Leopold and Robert) were found by the allies after the Anzio beach head. Problem is that I cannot find it at the moment...
Question: How do you know that your picture shows "Robert" generator??

....the area to the rear of the Leningrad front. Where E-Batteries 712
and 713 were in operation.

HTH,
Mark
Do you know if all the gun of the above 712 and 713 E-batteries did come back to Germany? I have read that one K5(E) cannon was on display at Saint Petersburg up to a few years ago. Then, it disappeared...
Anybody know about it?
Thanks!

Raimondo
Don't Make Love, Make War!! YES! HO scale!

Military Model Railroading is More Fun!

Leopold Picture CD on Ebay

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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Luigi Naruszewicz <luigin@...>
 

Hi Joe,

Probably the main reason why the generator section was removed for
transportation would be weight. I suspect when the generator section
is fitted the weight per axle on the rear bogie will exceed the
permitted weight for the main railway lines. The railway lines used
for operational purposes were generally specially constructed and
either specially strengthened or I suspect they repaired the track as
required. The speeds on these tracks would also be comparatively low
to those on the main line.

--- In railwaygun@..., Joseph Koss <jkoss@g...> wrote:
This is the first time I've heard that the generator section
could/would be dismounted. It seems counter-intuitive, for the
generator section is no wider than the rest of the gun, and no
higher.
Further, where is the mechanism for this? The photos I've seen
show
nothing in the way of a crane or other device, and the
Squadron/Signal
book includes no such function in its listing of the cars in the
two
trains that made up each gun system. Too, there is no mention in
the
Trumpeter kit instructions of any option to show the generator
housing
separately as in transport, and the kit and instructions are
otherwise
quite complete, even to offering an optional crossed-rail
configuration
for traverse that was much simpler than a Voegle turntable, but
which
was apparently not used. If you have a source to show otherwise,
I'd
like to know it. I can't say it didn't happen, but it seems most
unlikely to me. Despite this, stranger things have happened, and
I
would not be vastly surprised to learn that the K5 was [even
partially]
dismantled for transport.

Prosper and live long.

Joe Koss

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Roland Schmidt
 

Hi Mark,

the Trumpeter model isn't russian gauge. It is 1/32 scale, matching Gauge I,
the rest of the kit is 1/35 scale.

Yours
Roland

mnrdunck schrieb:

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] video clips of railg...

Cottontail215@...
 

thanks for your help.bet the books cost more then i make in a year.will try
to find thanks for the answer les

Re: G gauge track and "G" scale

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

Gentlemen,
There is something to consider when using the1/32 scale military train models on G gauge track.
First, in the model railroading world very few people are overly concerned with accuracy in scale. In current G gauge track (1 3/4" gauge) there is a wide range of commercially available trains that run on this trackage. You can start with Marklin 1 gauge which is 1/32 scale. Then you can get into Aristocraft and USA trains that are 1/29 scale (where did they get that? don't ask me!). Then you have Bachmann and LGB which seem to run to the 1/24 and 1/25 scales. Next you have the 1/22 and 1/20 scales. They all run together on the same track.
I am in a G gauge model railroad club. There we have a general rule about scale. It is called the three foot rule. "If the item looks ok an arms length away it is in scale." Its the kind of rule that makes scale modelers run screaming out the door.
The G track is out of scale anyway. It is much thicker and heavier rail that was used, scaled down. A 1/35 scale fanatic can always buy the ties and rails and assemble them to the absolutely correct gauge. Then he can run his engines to his heart's content.
It reminds me of the controversy back 50 years ago with O gauge Scale (not Lionel tinplate!). O gauge scale is 1/48 size but the track isn't - the track is 1 1/4 inches wide. which does not scale out. So a number of modelers made their trains a trifle larger to match the track. The new scale was 17/64"-1' scale, rather than 1/4"=1' scale. Thus all the cars and engines were just a smidgen larger; just to keep in scale with the existing track. To many of us that was splitting hairs, but to those guys it was what they wanted to do.
So, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
Remember, its a hobby. Do try and avoid get bent all out of shape.

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Subject: Re[2]: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...


Hello, mnrdunck.

Believe me - the gauge of the trumpeter K5e kit is NOT out of scale because they measured it after Russian broadgauge. Instead of 1:35 scale Trump took 1:32 which is identical with Model Railroad Gauge "I" - app. 44,84 mm which is the distance of the assembled kit-axles ...(with mine its ~44,5mm).
Russian Broad Gauge is exactly 1524 mm (5 Feet) - this would result in a 1:35 scale gauge of app. 43,54 mm...

...

sorry, that I did not mention it, but removing the "generator-box" because of width and height problems was meant in conjunction of pulling the rear section of the gun forward.
the ability for any rail-bound carriage to match the terms of the railway-transport regulations is essential to get the release for using railway-tracks until today. in this case it means, that the carriage(s) mentioned before must run through any curve without problems. former Reichsbahn and todays "Die Bahn" weren't and still aren't willing to close a rail section partly or completely only to "allow" such big things like a railwaygun to get through a difficult section.

greetz

Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello, mnrdunck.

Believe me - the gauge of the trumpeter K5e kit is NOT out of scale because they measured it after Russian broadgauge. Instead of 1:35 scale Trump took 1:32 which is identical with Model Railroad Gauge "I" - app. 44,84 mm which is the distance of the assembled kit-axles ...(with mine its ~44,5mm).
Russian Broad Gauge is exactly 1524 mm (5 Feet) - this would result in a 1:35 scale gauge of app. 43,54 mm...

...

sorry, that I did not mention it, but removing the "generator-box" because of width and height problems was meant in conjunction of pulling the rear section of the gun forward.
the ability for any rail-bound carriage to match the terms of the railway-transport regulations is essential to get the release for using railway-tracks until today. in this case it means, that the carriage(s) mentioned before must run through any curve without problems. former Reichsbahn and todays "Die Bahn" weren't and still aren't willing to close a rail section partly or completely only to "allow" such big things like a railwaygun to get through a difficult section.

greetz

Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

mnrdunck
 

Joe,

Actually in the Suadron Signal book "German Railroad Guns in action"
on Pg No. 32, there are the following excerpts:"A diesel switching
locomotive used for....... moving the Cranes and the gun" "That was
followed by the ("turntable train") with a locomotive...... ;
another car carrying the 16 sections for the circular traverse track
for the turntable and the construction crane;" So at least 1 crane
per individual train, which would make 2 cranes available.

The reason for removing the generator section is not width or height
but rather it butted up to the rear of the gun making it impossible
for the rear bogies to be able to turn on a curve. This is
apperantly why the cross rail turntable was not used. I can try to
post a picture showing the generator of Robert ("R") on a flatcar
behind the gun.

Also in regards to the Trumpeteer kit. It is much more detailed than
the DML offering however the mistake with Trumpeteer is that they
made they wheel base Russian broadgauge and not the standard gauge
that these guns ran on. In 1942 the German occupied areas of the
Eastern front were switched to Standard gauge track this included
the area to the rear of the Leningrad front. Where E-Batteries 712
and 713 were in operation.

HTH,
Mark


--- In railwaygun@..., Joseph Koss <jkoss@g...> wrote:
This is the first time I've heard that the generator section
could/would be dismounted. It seems counter-intuitive, for the
generator section is no wider than the rest of the gun, and no
higher.
Further, where is the mechanism for this? The photos I've seen
show
nothing in the way of a crane or other device, and the
Squadron/Signal
book includes no such function in its listing of the cars in the
two
trains that made up each gun system. Too, there is no mention in
the
Trumpeter kit instructions of any option to show the generator
housing
separately as in transport, and the kit and instructions are
otherwise
quite complete, even to offering an optional crossed-rail
configuration
for traverse that was much simpler than a Voegle turntable, but
which
was apparently not used. If you have a source to show otherwise,
I'd
like to know it. I can't say it didn't happen, but it seems most
unlikely to me. Despite this, stranger things have happened, and
I
would not be vastly surprised to learn that the K5 was [even
partially]
dismantled for transport.

Prosper and live long.
Joe Koss

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Peter Crispyn <toytoy@...>
 

Hello,

Several years ago there were some articles in in the German
magazine 'Waffen Revue' concerning the K5. There they say that when
the generator was put away the whole aftersection of the gun was
1.90 m pulled back (hydraulically). When you see the underside of
the back of the Audinghen K5, you can see two pair of wheels
separated 1.90 m apart. The back pair is for turning on the table
of the back bogie in the firing position and the forward pair of
wheels is for turning on the back bogie in transport position. On
the Trumpeter K5 you can see both sets of wheels (parts C44-c38).
For the moment I can't find any clear picture of those wheels. So
the generator was put on a separate railway cas for transportation.

Peter Crispyn, Belgium

--- In railwaygun@..., Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@m...>
wrote:
Hello, Joseph.

As written in some other publications the generator section
together with the ammunition crane was dismounted/off-loaded for
transport. This was done to match the Reichsbahn regulations for the
railway transport-profile (?) (width and height) of the gun. The
generator section was put on a separate standard two-axle flatcar.
It was a common procedure with all "big things" (not only with
railwayguns) to dismount parts for matching the railway-transport
regulations.

... I have to look through my books and pictures - I know, there
is one somewhere ...


Greetz from Germany.


Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



K' pla! (Live long and prosper!)

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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Joseph Koss <jkoss@...>
 

This is the first time I've heard that the generator section
could/would be dismounted. It seems counter-intuitive, for the
generator section is no wider than the rest of the gun, and no higher.
Further, where is the mechanism for this? The photos I've seen show
nothing in the way of a crane or other device, and the Squadron/Signal
book includes no such function in its listing of the cars in the two
trains that made up each gun system. Too, there is no mention in the
Trumpeter kit instructions of any option to show the generator housing
separately as in transport, and the kit and instructions are otherwise
quite complete, even to offering an optional crossed-rail configuration
for traverse that was much simpler than a Voegle turntable, but which
was apparently not used. If you have a source to show otherwise, I'd
like to know it. I can't say it didn't happen, but it seems most
unlikely to me. Despite this, stranger things have happened, and I
would not be vastly surprised to learn that the K5 was [even partially]
dismantled for transport.

Prosper and live long.

Joe Koss

On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 12:40 AM, Rolf Giebeler wrote:


Hello, Joseph.

As written in some other publications the generator section together
with the ammunition crane was dismounted/off-loaded for transport.
This was done to match the Reichsbahn regulations for the railway transport-profile (?) (width and height) of the gun. The generator
section was put on a separate standard two-axle flatcar. It was a
common procedure with all "big things" (not only with railwayguns) to
dismount parts for matching the railway-transport regulations.

... I have to look through my books and pictures - I know, there is
one somewhere ...


Greetz from Germany.


Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



K' pla! (Live long and prosper!)

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Re: railgun videos.

Ncentric@...
 

For those in the group that cross military categories and might own a copy
of "Victory At Sea", The episodes "D-Day" and "Roman Rennaisance" have great
scenes of K5's in action.
Andy
Ncentricities.com

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] video clips of railg...

lru29
 

This is a comprehensive, 2 volume history of French railguns:

Histoire De L'Artillerie Lourde Sur Voie Ferre Francaise
by Colonel Guy Francois

1919-1945, Hors Serie No. 1, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Nov. 2000, ISBN 2-9516102-0-3. Maps, plans,
drawings, and B&W photos. French text.

1886-1918, Hors Serie No. 2, PB, 80 pp., Histoire & Fortifications
Magazine, Sept. 2001, ISBN 2-9516102-2-X. Plans, drawings,
and B&W photos. French text.


another very good one is:

Eisenbahngeschuetze der Welt - Kosar, F.
1999 / German / hardcover / 236 pp German Text is another good book
that covers railway artillery of all countries and has a detailed
section on French WWI railguns.

There are others, but unfortunately most of them are out of print
now.

Lee


--- In railwaygun@..., Cottontail215@a... wrote:
where would i find a book to identified rail road gun used by
France during
WW1.i have hoggs book on us and british


Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] video clips of railg...

Cottontail215@...
 

where would i find a book to identified rail road gun used by France during
WW1.i have hoggs book on us and british

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: K5E ammo tracks

Warren Greene <w.greene@...>
 

Thanks for the photos. These photos show that the K5E models I have (Lemke
1:160 and Dragon 1:144) are not accurate with respect to the ammo tracks or
the generator section. They show the tracks which reach the forward edge of
the generator section offset to one side, flared at the forward ends, and
show the forward edge of the generator section curved. The curved edge would
possibly allow the movement of the rear wheel section relative to the gun
carriage when on a curved firing track.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <railwaygun@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 4:52 AM
Subject: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Re: can some
one tell me how many of these k5e...




Hello.

I put some pics to the gallery to make it easier to understand what
joeri is asking about the ammo-carrier tracks.

look here:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/railwaygun/lst?.dir=/double+rail
&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

hth


Greetz from Germany

Rolf Giebeler (Runkelratz)

Re: can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello.

I put some pics to the gallery to make it easier to understand what
joeri is asking about the ammo-carrier tracks.

look here:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/railwaygun/lst?.dir=/double+rail
&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/

hth


Greetz from Germany

Rolf Giebeler (Runkelratz)









--- In railwaygun@..., "joeri" <joeri.michiels@v...>
wrote:
hello,

can some one tell me how many of these k5e guns had a double rail
on top of the generator for transporting ammo. (like the k5e gun in
cap gris nez ( Batterie Todt).

I can't find any pictures of it, in use during WW2 .

Was the generator during transport, put on a other railcar?

modelling ,greetings.

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello, Joseph.

As written in some other publications the generator section together with the ammunition crane was dismounted/off-loaded for transport. This was done to match the Reichsbahn regulations for the railway transport-profile (?) (width and height) of the gun. The generator section was put on a separate standard two-axle flatcar. It was a common procedure with all "big things" (not only with railwayguns) to dismount parts for matching the railway-transport regulations.

... I have to look through my books and pictures - I know, there is one somewhere ...


Greetz from Germany.


Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



K' pla! (Live long and prosper!)

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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] video clips of railguns of ww2

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello Daniel.
Hello Group.

It seems, that the pages containing the downloads are not working properly i.e. are not available at the moment.


on top of the page it is said, that the vido-clips will run properly with Windows 2000 (W2K), Windows Millenium Edidition (Windows ME) and the latter version of Windows 98 (Windows 98 SE) together with the newest version of the Windows Media Player.

to run the video-clips with any other media player it is necessary to have the newest (media)codecs loaded.

hth


Greetz from Germany.


Rolf Giebeler (Runkelratz)


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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] video clips of railguns of ww2

Chuck Walters
 

Hi Dan. I would not work for me either but looks VERY
interesting.
Chuck Walters


- daniel jackson <djaxon@...> wrote:

http://www.panzerlexikon.de/access/access1.php<http://www.panzerlexikon.de/access/access1.php>

(down below the tanks are the railguns)

Hello,
This site has video clips of the railguns, but the
clips are not working for me.
AND they are the new mpeg 4 format.

Could someone see if they could make these links
work, and mention which "VIEWER" works for MPEG 4
for viewing?

Thanks,

Dan Jackson

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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Joseph Koss <jkoss@...>
 

All 25 K5[E] guns had the generator section and the ammunition loading rails. This was not something that could be moved around--it was an integral part of the weapon system. The generators provided power for operation of the gun. Get Squadron/Signal Publications "German Railroad Guns in Action", ISBN 0-89747-048-6, for some photos of the gun in use. You will see nothing to suggest that the generator section was off-loaded for transport or that some other arrangement was used to load the gun. Both the DML and Trumpeter 1/35th scale kits of the gun accurately provide the generator section and the loading rails on top. The Hasegawa kit in 1/72nd also does, as I recall, though I haven't looked at the kit in some time.

Joe Koss
IPMS Anchorage

On Wednesday, October 27, 2004, at 09:29 AM, joeri wrote:


hello,

can some one tell me how many of these k5e guns had a double rail on top of the generator for transporting ammo. (like the k5e gun in cap gris nez ( Batterie Todt).

I can't find any pictures of it, in use during WW2 .

Was the generator during transport, put on a other railcar?

modelling ,greetings.