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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] 1/35 Scale Models

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

Mark,
The model airplane guys do the same thing.
They buy a kit for $40 and another $200 for detail parts.
Interesting in that only they and others of their ilk will even notice the details. But who am I to talk. I've been making sculpture for 40 years and nobody buys my work.
We all do what we do because that's what we do.
There is no "correct" way to do what we do - its what we make for our own enjoyment.
The model railroad world runs the gamut from guys who try to get in every single detail - the rivet counters - to the guys who just buy readymade trains, take them out of the box, put them right onto the tracks and run them.
The only difference seems to be that the model RR guys are a lot more tolerant of the other guys in the group than the airplane or the armor guys. In model railroading we have guys who just make the scenery, some make structures, some just the electronics. Its a very peaceful, almost bucolic group. Maybe that's because model railroading is not associated with the violence of war? Model RRs are all peacetime activities, just moving freight and passengers from one place to an other.
I don't know, just a thought.
Personally, I prefer war and military models. I also prefer 1/24 and 1/25 scale. since the paper models are all in 1/25 scale for tanks, trucks, and trains, I'm quite happy to work with them. They will fit right in with the G gauge model railroading I like.
Yours,
Stephen

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Subject: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] 1/35 Scale Models



I don't know of anyone who wargames with 1/35. Too big ;-)

Anyway I have a CMK locomotive, several Ironside railway kits,
Revell Germany, DML/Dragon, The Tank Workshop, and Schmidt
Modellbau. The trains/rollingstock from all of these fit onto
eachothers track. I have 2 trains in progress each close to 14 feet
in length. I have seen pictures from "Euro Militaire 2004" that show
Baluard locomotives on the same track as DML kits.

Generally 1/35 scale modellers spend alot of time checking for
scale, detail, timeframe and researching units. Some are more detail
retentive then others. But we have alot of nuts and bolt counters in
the hobby.

For instance I have a 1/35th scale Tiger I that cost approxamtly
$40.00 US. With close to another $200.00 US in after market
replacement parts plus the parts that I have to scratchbuild.
Generally I don't go to this extreme. Most of my kits are built
straight out of the box with very little to no after market parts.

Cheers,
Mark





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K5 - firing and travelling

brenzett_wing <timmoore@...>
 

--- In railwaygun@..., "Peter Crispyn" <toytoy@f...> wrote:

Hello,

Several years ago there were some articles in in the German
magazine 'Waffen Revue' concerning the K5. There they say that when
the generator was put away the whole aftersection of the gun was
1.90 m pulled back (hydraulically). When you see the underside of
the back of the Audinghen K5, you can see two pair of wheels
separated 1.90 m apart. The back pair is for turning on the table
of the back bogie in the firing position and the forward pair of
wheels is for turning on the back bogie in transport position.
According to the weights given in the squadron/signal and also in
Hogg's book 'Rail Gun' the K5 has a relatively high axle loading of
17.9T per axle. Even the K12 comes in at a maximum of 16.8T per axle
(given weights vary a little). Most other German guns fall in the
range 11T to 15T per axle. Only the 38cm 'Seigfried' design is
slightly heavier at 18.07T per axle.
I should point out that the weights given for the K5 do not indicate
if the weight of the generator assemby is included. If this is not
included then the weight per axle would excede any other standard
German gun when the generator was mounted.

It is interesting to note that the late war type 42 Kriegslok had an
axle load of 18T compared with the 15T axle load of the type 52
Kriegslok. Some lines could accomodate the 20T axle load of the type
44 but it would seem that 18T per axle gave a good balance between
route availablity and load carrying ability. I would imagine that 18T
represents a practical limit for the axle weight of a railway gun at
that time for wide spread use.

I was never quite convinced that the K5 needed to be shortened by
1.9m for railway travel.
I wonder if the movement of the 'after portion' of the gun was part
of the recoil system. Hogg says, of the K12, 'The mounting body was
connected to the bogie bolsters by hydro-pneumatic recoil systems.
This allowed the whole structure to recoil across the bolsters for
98cm distance." He then describes the recoil system mounted on the
barrel. He then describes the second K12 model in which the recoil
distance across the bolsters was increased to 1.5 metres for greater
stability.
I surmise that when a K5 was fired from a Vogel turntable the rear
bogie truck would have been fixed by a braking system allowing the
rest of the mounting to slide back up to 1.9 metres. The Vogel
turntable has a diameter of 29.46 metres (squadron/signal) The gun is
quoted as 31.1 metres long (I guess this includes barrel overhang) but
it would be a tight fit on the turntable if these numbers are correct.
The front of the gun was secured to the recoil mechanism on the
turntable but when fired the entire gun would need to move backwards
to bring the turntable mounted recoil system into play. It seems to me
that the rear bogie must remain fixed or else it would recoil off the
turntable. To allow room for recoil there must have been some sliding
motion of the body of the gun over the rear bogie.
I think that the 'shortening' mechanism was part of the recoil system
similar to that used on the K12. I am sure that the gun was
'shortened' for travel, but I think this was just a convenience rather
than a design issue.

Can anyone help with a definitive answer to this?

Tim M

1/35 Scale Models

mnrdunck
 

I don't know of anyone who wargames with 1/35. Too big ;-)

Anyway I have a CMK locomotive, several Ironside railway kits,
Revell Germany, DML/Dragon, The Tank Workshop, and Schmidt
Modellbau. The trains/rollingstock from all of these fit onto
eachothers track. I have 2 trains in progress each close to 14 feet
in length. I have seen pictures from "Euro Militaire 2004" that show
Baluard locomotives on the same track as DML kits.

Generally 1/35 scale modellers spend alot of time checking for
scale, detail, timeframe and researching units. Some are more detail
retentive then others. But we have alot of nuts and bolt counters in
the hobby.

For instance I have a 1/35th scale Tiger I that cost approxamtly
$40.00 US. With close to another $200.00 US in after market
replacement parts plus the parts that I have to scratchbuild.
Generally I don't go to this extreme. Most of my kits are built
straight out of the box with very little to no after market parts.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] OT Military modeling and gamming

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

Hi Andy,
Darn, that sounds great!
I never knew they were doing that with the 1/12 stuff.
So much for 1/285 and 1/24.
But, like you infer, its not the same thing as maneuvering large armies.
Seems to me there should be computer games where one can maneuver large armies of tanks against an opponent.
With today's computer programs one should be able to play with others over long distances.
It's not the same as actually touching the little tank models, which is one of the best parts for us oldtimers.
Nice talking to you.
Stephen Auslender

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Subject: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] OT Military modeling and gamming


Having wargammed in many scales and still owning my 285th armies, and having
been true to N scale in my hobby model railroading and my military model
buisness, I have to say we're all in the wrong scale. The ultimate game is the
new 1/12th scale RC tanks with laser tag features. I watched Shermans and a
Pershing fight Tigers at Tamiya's track at their USA headquarters. The lasers
are coded; it takes nine hits with a "75mm" to "kill" a tiger; while one hit
from a Tiger will "kill" a Sherman. The drawback is I can buy a real army in
smaller scales for one 1/12th model. But don't knock it until you have seen it.
Andy Bradshaw
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Kozma Minin model 1/35

Carles Elías
 

Hello All,
Is my first intervention here. I´m military modeller and now I start with armoured train. For my first project in these field I start whit a model of russian Kozma Minin armoured train. These are the first photos of she.

I hope that are interesting for us

Carlos

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Re: Scale & Leopold

Michael R. Blair
 

We mostly wargame in 25mm (ha!) and 20mm - which is
anything around 1/72nd - 176th with some 1/300th - the
British equivalent of 1/285th though the few (lovely)
GHQ pieces I have fit in well enough. The 25m stuff is
mostly Warhammer with some modern, other SF, WW II and
other skirmishing, I don�t like the system or setting
but some of our group won�t touch anything else. I do
enjoy the modelling though as you can get away with a
lot of nonsence.

The bit that really, really winds me up is scale
inflation, the figures in the same nominal scale
gettign bigger over time. It happens in most scales
but 25mm scale is by far the worst offender, I have
figures made 15 years ago that look tiny compared with
the modern ones yet they are by the same company
(Games Workshop for my sins). Worse some companies
keep to the true scale (Ground Zero Games) while
others seem to enlarge their figures almost weekly.

I did buy the trumpeter Leopold kit, though as yet all
I have done is read the instructions and gaze in awe
at the sprues. I have been accused of buying it just
for the barrel to make something for Warhammer 40K
terrain but that is not true � I want some EMA tubing
for the coastal battery. Mind you I do look at the
1/72nd scale Leopold and wonder what I could do with
it and a few years back I bought some extra large
pieces of plasticard for the sides of a railway gun
mounted on a pair of tank chassis for 40K.

I intend to pick up some Gauge 1 track to see if it
fits though I have difficulty finding anything other
than Hornby OO/HO, I was only able to get 9 feet of O
gauge at a show in the spring and now I need more O
gauge and some 16.5mm narrow gauge (dimensionally he
same as OO but to O gauge scale (US 1/48th) as narrow
gauge track if that makes any sense) for on30.

I intend to build an O gauge armoured locomotive for
Warhammer 40K, it will be a cheat, basically just a
plasticard box with a Slaters wagon axle at each end
so it will move. It does not matter, you cannot see
the running gear for the armoured skirts. A few
diecast tank turrets from Solido will sit nicely on
top of the wagons. I know a man who does etched brass
so I think I can get a nice brass eagle for the front
of it. A nice idea, I wonder if it will ever get
started.

Michael

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OT Military modeling and gamming

Ncentric@...
 

Having wargammed in many scales and still owning my 285th armies, and having
been true to N scale in my hobby model railroading and my military model
buisness, I have to say we're all in the wrong scale. The ultimate game is the
new 1/12th scale RC tanks with laser tag features. I watched Shermans and a
Pershing fight Tigers at Tamiya's track at their USA headquarters. The lasers
are coded; it takes nine hits with a "75mm" to "kill" a tiger; while one hit
from a Tiger will "kill" a Sherman. The drawback is I can buy a real army in
smaller scales for one 1/12th model. But don't knock it until you have seen it.
Andy Bradshaw
Ncentricities.com

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Scale(?) track

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

re: I think during the construction Trumpeter minded both, scale plastic-modellers
and railway modellers.
I agree with your supposition. Like we say in the USA: "You pay your money and take your choice."
The only modelers with a problem are those who want to keep everything to 1/35 scale.
The are free to model any way they want. I will not go that way, but they can.
Stephen

----- Original Message -----
From: Schmidt-Kornwestheim@...
To: railwaygun@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Scale(?) track


Hello Stephen,
and all others in this discussion,

there's a difference between "G" (correct gauge Gm) gauge track and "I" gauge
track. Ok, they share the same gauge, but you talk about 22,5 x 45 mm (1000mm
gauge as used in South Africa, Japan (o.k. there it is 1067mm), narrow-gauge in
Europe (Bernina Railway or RhB in Switzerland) and common for tramways, roughly
comparable to the three feet gauge in USA) on one side and 32 x 45 mm (1435mm
gauge, mainline gauge in most parts of the world) on the other.
There is a remarkable differende in the distance and dimensions of the sleppers,
rails, turnouts, curves and space around the rails and especially in the kind of
trains used.

I think during the construction Trumpeter minded both, scale plastic-modellers
and railway modellers.

Yours
Roland

PS: Sorry for my bad english style.



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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Scale(?) track

Roland Schmidt
 

Hello Stephen,
and all others in this discussion,

there's a difference between "G" (correct gauge Gm) gauge track and "I" gauge
track. Ok, they share the same gauge, but you talk about 22,5 x 45 mm (1000mm
gauge as used in South Africa, Japan (o.k. there it is 1067mm), narrow-gauge in
Europe (Bernina Railway or RhB in Switzerland) and common for tramways, roughly
comparable to the three feet gauge in USA) on one side and 32 x 45 mm (1435mm
gauge, mainline gauge in most parts of the world) on the other.
There is a remarkable differende in the distance and dimensions of the sleppers,
rails, turnouts, curves and space around the rails and especially in the kind of
trains used.

I think during the construction Trumpeter minded both, scale plastic-modellers
and railway modellers.

Yours
Roland

PS: Sorry for my bad english style.



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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] [OT] Re: Scale

mcreek25@...
 

I also play miniature wargames, and that is the primarly reason I am on this
forum to find out more about these weapons. My 1/87 scale model RR stuff
operates with my 1/76th scale RR stuff and my 1/87 scale tanks and my 1/72nd
and 20 mm and 25 mm and 1/76rh scale figures and 1/72nd scale aircraft.

My wargame group looks for "visual" compatability. If it looks okay
together, then it is okay to use together. The world is not precise, so there is no
reason for our models to be perfect to represent a miniature world at war.

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Scale(?) track

Andrew Grantham
 

On 2 Nov 2004 at 15:11, Stephen Auslender wrote:

Is it possible that Trumpeter simply chose to use the G gauge track
becasue it has become common in model railroading? That way a person could
simply buy G gauge model train track, engines, etc. and actually run the
trains. I'm just guessing, of course.
That's what I might guess. Has anyone tried it? Us (purely-)railway
modellers tend to be more interested in making things go, rather than
being exactly to scale in every detail of track and wheels.

(ignore the "perhaps" at the start of my last message - I've realised it
doesn't read quite as I meant it to when I wrote it)
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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] Scale(?) track

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

Is it possible that Trumpeter simply chose to use the G gauge track becasue it has become common in model railroading? That way a person could simply buy G gauge model train track, engines, etc. and actually run the trains.
I'm just guessing, of course.
The problem for those modelers who wish to obtain track that is in true 1/35 scale is that they will have to make their own. Scale track rails can be purchased through various model train stores. A person can cut his own ties(sleepers) from wood and lay his own roadbed of crushed rock. Model train magazines and books are full of such information.
However the big problem will be making the correct rail-to-tie connectors. In the USA tie plates and spikes are used. But in Europe there are different methods. A look at the German method can be found at http://www.laenderbahn-forum.de/galerie/BayerOberbauAllgemein/BayerOberbauAllgemein.html
One site for buying such goodies, whatever exists, is http://www.eurorailhobbies.com/default.asp
I, personally, do not have such problems because I'm not that fussy about scale. To me this is a hobby, not another source of stress.
The modelers who want true scale items in model railroading may have to make their own. Thats what we used to do 60 years ago. It should suffice today, also.
Its called scratch building. Good luck
Stephen Auslender

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Subject: Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...


On 2 Nov 2004 at 18:41, mnrdunck wrote:

> I believe that the Trumpeter kit is very highly detailed, Much more
> so than the DML offering. However if they measured for Broadgauge,
> than that would be incorrect as K5's were used on standard gauge.
> Also the Trumpeter box clearly states that it is a 1/35 scale model, not
> 1/32.

Perhaps unlike in scale military modelling, in the model /railway/ world
it is quite common for gauges to be slightly out from exact scale, not
least because it is hard to scale down the laws of physics and so some
compromise is usually needed to make things work, which is generally more
important in the railway modelling than military modellling worlds. It's
even more noticable in the model aircraft world.

It is also not unheard of for non-railway modellers building a railway
model (does that make sense?!) to measure the gauge across rail centres,
rather than faces (that has also been done in 304.8 mm/ft scale!)

Choosing commonly-used wheels, gauges, rails, motors, etc saves an awful
lot of effort when building a working model, and means someone as clumsy
as me can make a working model with a reasonable chance of success. My
kitbashed 1:35 Revell Komandowagen moves across the floor, but not very
well, whereas my 1:76 trains on 1:87 track run a lot better!

There are model railway things for sale labelled "00-H0" - but few
military models are labelled 1:87-1:76, or 1:72-1:76! Larger-scale
railway modellers tend to be more flexible, but the variants of
H0/00/P4/S4 railway modelling make "which religion is right" seem a
simple, uncontroversial question :-)

(Has anyone built a /firing/ model railway gun...? The way my club is
going, I think we could use one in 00!)


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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

dwp <davep@...>
 

Speculation:
Probably the main reason why the generator section was removed for transportation would be weight. I suspect when the generator section is fitted the weight per axle on the rear bogie will exceed the permitted weight for the main railway lines.
This touches an interesting point:
tactical necessity.
Clearly the equipment was designed to some specification
for normal lines. Just as clearly, tactical necessity
might take it to unexpected places, perhaps built to
lesser standards. I have seen US FMs dedicated to
'route reconnaissance: determining how strong an
unknown bridge/tunnel/road is... includes RRs....)

'temporary' removal of 'something' might allow
operation over other lines....

best
dwp

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Andrew Grantham
 

On 2 Nov 2004 at 18:41, mnrdunck wrote:

I believe that the Trumpeter kit is very highly detailed, Much more
so than the DML offering. However if they measured for Broadgauge,
than that would be incorrect as K5's were used on standard gauge.
Also the Trumpeter box clearly states that it is a 1/35 scale model, not
1/32.
Perhaps unlike in scale military modelling, in the model /railway/ world
it is quite common for gauges to be slightly out from exact scale, not
least because it is hard to scale down the laws of physics and so some
compromise is usually needed to make things work, which is generally more
important in the railway modelling than military modellling worlds. It's
even more noticable in the model aircraft world.

It is also not unheard of for non-railway modellers building a railway
model (does that make sense?!) to measure the gauge across rail centres,
rather than faces (that has also been done in 304.8 mm/ft scale!)

Choosing commonly-used wheels, gauges, rails, motors, etc saves an awful
lot of effort when building a working model, and means someone as clumsy
as me can make a working model with a reasonable chance of success. My
kitbashed 1:35 Revell Komandowagen moves across the floor, but not very
well, whereas my 1:76 trains on 1:87 track run a lot better!

There are model railway things for sale labelled "00-H0" - but few
military models are labelled 1:87-1:76, or 1:72-1:76! Larger-scale
railway modellers tend to be more flexible, but the variants of
H0/00/P4/S4 railway modelling make "which religion is right" seem a
simple, uncontroversial question :-)

(Has anyone built a /firing/ model railway gun...? The way my club is
going, I think we could use one in 00!)


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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Rolf Giebeler <rgiebeler@...>
 

Hello, Mark.

ummm - perhaps I expressed myself not very clearly ...

So let me try again.

The gauge of the Trumpeter kit is out of scale - no doubt.

But it is out of scale, because somebody at Trumpeter decided to take 1:32 scale (model railroad gauge "1") instead of correct 1:35 scale for the gauge of the trucks/bogies but not fot the whole model kit. IMHO this is the only reason that makes any sense.
Taking Russian broad gauge as basis is completely unfounded - there is noch match for this, not in 1:35 scale nor in 1:32 ...

I know, that if a model kit ist stated to be 1:35, everything is or better should be in this scale. As all of us know, this is only modellers' dream.




... snip ...

<< I personally prefer 1/35 scale models that are to standard gauge.
This allows me to use Revell Germany, DML/Dragon, CMK, Tank
Workshop, ADV/Azimut, Ironside, and Baluard kits in conjunction with
the DML K5 kit. 1/32 also leaves less options for adding figures and
military vehicles. >>

... snip ...

Can you please explain to me which gauge ist "standard" with 1:35 scale?
All the mentioned kits have their own rails, sleepers/ties and substructure/foundation (is this the correct expression?) within the kit or can be separately bought.


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greetz

Rolf Giebeler, Germany


Please apologize my bad knowledge of English Language and my ability to express myself therewith ...


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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

mnrdunck
 

Rolf,

I believe that the Trumpeter kit is very highly detailed, Much more
so than the DML offering. However if they measured for Broadgauge,
than that would be incorrect as K5's were used on standard gauge.
Also the Trumpeter box clearly states that it is a 1/35 scale model,
not 1/32.

I personally prefer 1/35 scale models that are to standard gauge.
This allows me to use Revell Germany, DML/Dragon, CMK, Tank
Workshop, ADV/Azimut, Ironside, and Baluard kits in conjunction with
the DML K5 kit. 1/32 also leaves less options for adding figures and
military vehicles.

If you are happy with the kit, and intend on using it with "I" gauge
Locomotives and rolling stock, then it would be the right kit for
you to use.

Well to each his own. Enjoy,

Mark



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Hello, mnrdunck.

Believe me - the gauge of the trumpeter K5e kit is NOT out of
scale because they measured it after Russian broadgauge. Instead of
1:35 scale Trump took 1:32 which is identical with Model Railroad
Gauge "I" - app. 44,84 mm which is the distance of the assembled kit-
axles ...(with mine its ~44,5mm).
Russian Broad Gauge is exactly 1524 mm (5 Feet) - this would
result in a 1:35 scale gauge of app. 43,54 mm...
greetz

Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

mnrdunck
 

Raimondo,

I have other pictures of Leopold 919 219 and Robert 919 216. These
are from a series of pictures taken by American forces. Robert is
simply marked with an old english style "R". In one of my other
pictures, the photograph was taken from the otherside of Robert at a
good distance. The "R" is just visable. Also from looking at the
suroundings it would appear that Robert was situated a distance to
the front of Leopold.

Regards,
Mark

--- In railwaygun@..., "Raimondo L.Torelli"
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At 17.49 01/11/2004 +0000, mnrdunck wrote:
Mark,
I have not seen your generator picture before. Thank you!
However, I have
another picture (a photocopy) showing the generator loaded on a 2-
axle
flatcar at the Civitavecchia railway yard, where the two K5(E)
(Leopold and
Robert) were found by the allies after the Anzio beach head.
Problem is
that I cannot find it at the moment...
Question: How do you know that your picture shows "Robert"
generator??

Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] [OT] Re: Scale

Stephen Auslender <auslend@...>
 

Michael,
I tend to disaree with your second remark. If you have 1/285 scale tanks in the game I'd much rather have 1/25 scale and crush all my enemies with sheer size! Rules, shmules, who cares? Its a game and the loser gets hit in the face with a whipped cream pie.
All kidding aside, I have a bunch of 1/285 scale tanks and 15mm figures to trade for larger scale models.
Tell me, in wargamming do you use 1/286 or 1/72 or HO gauge tanks?
Yours,
Stephen
PS If this is too far afield from the topics of this forum please contact me at auslend@... That way we won't clog up the forum with non-RR material.

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Robert Blair
To: railwaygun@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] [OT] Re: Scale


Some model railway people can make religious disputes
seem pretty tame.

Conversely what wargaming needs is a 'scale Taliban'
to make the figures stick to a scale.

Please take the first remark in the humerous vein it
was sent in. The second I really mean.

Michael

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Re: [railwayguns, armoured trains and Military Railways] can some one tell me how many of these k5e...

Joseph Koss <jkoss@...>
 

Rolf, I'm sorry, but this still does not answer the question, and I am
still confused. Was the generator section ever removed for transport,
and, if so, how and why? How is the overall gun shortened by removing
the housing? I do not understand the reference to "pulling the gun
forward". The gun couldn't be moved in the carriage, other than for
elevation, and the carriage couldn't be moved forward or backward on
the trucks. If the housing is removed, the overall gun carriage is no
shorter. Further, the gun designers would have taken Reichsbahn
constraints into consideration when designing the gun. If they hadn't,
they wouldn't have remained employed for very long. The German army
had extensive experience with railroad guns and would not have built,
or been able to transport, a gun that was too long for rail line
curves. If the gun had been designed to be shortened for transport in
some way, it seems to me that there would be some mechanical evidence
of this, both in photos and in the current kits, but I see nothing of
this. Please explain further.

I appreciate the comments about the Russian rail gauge--that explains a
lot. Thank you.

Joe Koss
IPMS Anchorage

On Monday, November 1, 2004, at 09:41 AM, Rolf Giebeler wrote:


Hello, mnrdunck.

Believe me - the gauge of the trumpeter K5e kit is NOT out of scale
because they measured it after Russian broadgauge. Instead of 1:35
scale Trump took 1:32 which is identical with Model Railroad Gauge "I"
- app. 44,84 mm which is the distance of the assembled kit-axles
...(with mine its ~44,5mm).
Russian Broad Gauge is exactly 1524 mm (5 Feet) - this would result in
a 1:35 scale gauge of app. 43,54 mm...

...

sorry, that I did not mention it, but removing the "generator-box"
because of width and height problems was meant in conjunction of
pulling the rear section of the gun forward.
the ability for any rail-bound carriage to match the terms of the
railway-transport regulations is essential to get the release for
using railway-tracks until today. in this case it means, that the
carriage(s) mentioned before must run through any curve without
problems. former Reichsbahn and todays "Die Bahn" weren't and still
aren't willing to close a rail section partly or completely only to
"allow" such big things like a railwaygun to get through a difficult
section.

greetz

Rolf Giebeler, Germany (Runkelratz)



K' pla! (Live long and prosper!)

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[OT] Re: Scale

Michael R. Blair
 

Some model railway people can make religious disputes
seem pretty tame.

Conversely what wargaming needs is a 'scale Taliban'
to make the figures stick to a scale.

Please take the first remark in the humerous vein it
was sent in. The second I really mean.

Michael

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- Richelieu





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