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Re: K5 moving

Phaedrus T. Wolfe
 

A brief description about the Lokomotive used form the K5E :
Transport :

http://www.one35th.com/model/k5/k5_loko.htm

Extracted from the book : Leopold by Jan Coen WIjnstok / ISBN-83-920254-5-8)
Railway batteries equipped with K5 had two guns each. Operating these guns required large numbers of people and a lot of equipment. Gun cres consisted of 42 personnel, 25 of whom were employed in operating the gun. Eight of the gunners were stationed on the loading platform and were involved in hoisting up the round and loading the gun. The rest were on stations around the gun. A further eight were employed in setting fuses and transporting the projectiles and propellant charges to the gun. Three specialists are on hand to operate the generator and maintain the electrical system. Non-commissioned officers oversee aiming, the generator and the ammunition. And of course there are officers in charge of each gun. Beside the gun crews a battery need a staff, administrative personnel, drivers and mechanics to operate and maintain the trains and motor vehicles, cooks etc.
It took three complete trains to transport a railway battery : one for the staff, one each for the guns. Normal transport used steam locomotives, probably Baureihe 50 or 52, the latter was a war version, designed to be built economically, both in material and production time. For deployment, the railway battery used diesel locomotives (WR360C14), since the smoke from steam locomotives tend to give away their position. These steam locomotives may habe only been used to pull the trains to their destination. Since they were Reichsbahn equipment, they would have been re-assigned. Even the cars making up the train were partly Reichsbahn property.

The staff train had the following composition :
Steam Locomotive plus tender, passenger cars, special boxcars with ammunition, box cars with food and field kitchen, a box car with railway equipment, a diesel locomotive, flatbed cars with vehicles, equipment and anti aircraft guns. The train consisted of 34 cars, including locomotives, with a total length of 374m. The gun trains differed slightly from one another. They consist of 24 and 23 cars with a length of 294 and 278 m respectively.  They had both steam and diesel locomotives, a K5, A Munitionszubringerwagen, which was used to transport the generator unit, a set of three box car for the ammunition, a flatbed car with field kitchen, anti aircraft guns, a special car for the firing bed (Schiessbettung) and a car with a crane and turntable parts. The longer train had four, instead of three, passenger cars and a box car with food. The shorter one had two box cars for the armourer (Waffenmeister). In combat configuration, most of the passenger cars and cargo cars would be uncoupled from the train. On a drawing of 24 August 1937 combat configuration was as follows :
Diesel locomotives, two flatbed cars, K5, ammunition supply car with generator, ammunition car 1, ammunition car 2, a box car with temperature control and auxiliary generator, equipment car and a workshop. These are of course official compositions.

Whether or not they were followed to the letter in practice is unknown. This smaller train was shunted into its firing position with the diesel locomotive. The turntable was prepared beforehand.


Phaedrus




On 6/18/2020 3:50 PM, thealamo wrote:
A K5 Eisenbahn  Batterie is composed by 2 (two) cannons, so you are right: 3 trains.  However, Ron has - if I have understood correct - only one K 5, theoretically two trains are enough. Of course to model 2 (two) trains he needs a lot of wagons (read 'money'!) and space!  He has to scratchbuild a disassembled Vogele turntable to be loaded on the second train.  
I know it myself as I am slowly looking for wagons for the first train.  The first 4 wagons on your train diagram seems to be old time 3-axle passenger wagons. Roco makes 2-axle passenger wagons (ref.  64605) 3 Klasse, epoche  2, which can be a good substitute.
I refer to train no. 2 of the train diagram:  what is it the 6-axles wagon no. 20?  What is for?  and the 4-axles wagon no. 21? 
Rivarossi/Hornby has re-released the former Lima K 5 r.r. cannon. Unfortunately without the structure with the derrick and diesel engine.  I know that a resin kit was available but I cannot find it.  Also  no manufacturer makes the ammo boxcars and I don't have any photo of it.  Any help?
The 3-axle diesel  engine to move the K5 while in action is made by Fleischmann (well, it is not cheap!!).  Lima did make it just before it went bankrupt, but I was not able to buy it...  
Maybe a good idea will be to write to Hornby asking to make ammo boxcars and the structure with the diesel engine.  Any opinion about it?

ALAMO


On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 19:20, Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Thank You!!

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:19 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:

There is a K5 train diagram on the Group Pinterest page. - you will have to search for it

So 3 trains were necessary to transport / erect them.



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Re: K5 moving

nr_groups
 

i have a load of hand -written notes, donated to me in the past (? Peter Ellis or RD Fritz) -  When I sort out my scanner, i will copy and upload them.

here is a sample

the heavy artillery ( 2x Gulaschkanone) were carried in their own van

Re: K5 moving

Chuck Walters
 

Alamo, I have the k5 kit you mention. I have recently moved and it is in storage. When I find it I will let you know. Also have conversion kit to make the Hasegawa K 5 HO.
Chuck Walters


On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:51 AM, thealamo
<thealamorlt@...> wrote:
A K5 Eisenbahn  Batterie is composed by 2 (two) cannons, so you are right: 3 trains.  However, Ron has - if I have understood correct - only one K 5, theoretically two trains are enough. Of course to model 2 (two) trains he needs a lot of wagons (read 'money'!) and space!  He has to scratchbuild a disassembled Vogele turntable to be loaded on the second train.  
I know it myself as I am slowly looking for wagons for the first train.  The first 4 wagons on your train diagram seems to be old time 3-axle passenger wagons. Roco makes 2-axle passenger wagons (ref.  64605) 3 Klasse, epoche  2, which can be a good substitute.
I refer to train no. 2 of the train diagram:  what is it the 6-axles wagon no. 20?  What is for?  and the 4-axles wagon no. 21? 
Rivarossi/Hornby has re-released the former Lima K 5 r.r. cannon. Unfortunately without the structure with the derrick and diesel engine.  I know that a resin kit was available but I cannot find it.  Also  no manufacturer makes the ammo boxcars and I don't have any photo of it.  Any help?
The 3-axle diesel  engine to move the K5 while in action is made by Fleischmann (well, it is not cheap!!).  Lima did make it just before it went bankrupt, but I was not able to buy it...  
Maybe a good idea will be to write to Hornby asking to make ammo boxcars and the structure with the diesel engine.  Any opinion about it?

ALAMO


On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 19:20, Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Thank You!!

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:19 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:

There is a K5 train diagram on the Group Pinterest page. - you will have to search for it

So 3 trains were necessary to transport / erect them.



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Re: K5 moving

thealamo
 

A K5 Eisenbahn  Batterie is composed by 2 (two) cannons, so you are right: 3 trains.  However, Ron has - if I have understood correct - only one K 5, theoretically two trains are enough. Of course to model 2 (two) trains he needs a lot of wagons (read 'money'!) and space!  He has to scratchbuild a disassembled Vogele turntable to be loaded on the second train.  
I know it myself as I am slowly looking for wagons for the first train.  The first 4 wagons on your train diagram seems to be old time 3-axle passenger wagons. Roco makes 2-axle passenger wagons (ref.  64605) 3 Klasse, epoche  2, which can be a good substitute.
I refer to train no. 2 of the train diagram:  what is it the 6-axles wagon no. 20?  What is for?  and the 4-axles wagon no. 21? 
Rivarossi/Hornby has re-released the former Lima K 5 r.r. cannon. Unfortunately without the structure with the derrick and diesel engine.  I know that a resin kit was available but I cannot find it.  Also  no manufacturer makes the ammo boxcars and I don't have any photo of it.  Any help?
The 3-axle diesel  engine to move the K5 while in action is made by Fleischmann (well, it is not cheap!!).  Lima did make it just before it went bankrupt, but I was not able to buy it...  
Maybe a good idea will be to write to Hornby asking to make ammo boxcars and the structure with the diesel engine.  Any opinion about it?

ALAMO


On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 19:20, Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Thank You!!

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:19 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:

There is a K5 train diagram on the Group Pinterest page. - you will have to search for it

So 3 trains were necessary to transport / erect them.



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Re: Fuhrersonderzug Amerika on YouTube

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Subject: [railwaygun] Fuhrersonderzug Amerika on YouTube

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Documentary - Hitler’s steel beast 


Re: K5 moving

Ron Hunt
 

Thank You!!


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:19 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:

There is a K5 train diagram on the Group Pinterest page. - you will have to search for it

So 3 trains were necessary to transport / erect them.



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Re: Fuhrersonderzug Amerika on YouTube

Phil Gilson
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:25 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:

Thread on NGF/ Military


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7ihw64Lnk  

Documentary - Hitler’s steel beast 

Fuhrersonderzug Amerika on YouTube

nr_groups
 
Edited

Re: K5 moving

nr_groups
 

There is a K5 train diagram on the Group Pinterest page. - you will have to search for it

So 3 trains were necessary to transport / erect them.

Re: K5 moving

Ron Hunt
 

OK Thanks


On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:59 PM thealamo <thealamorlt@...> wrote:

A steam loco (usually a BR 42 or BR 52 Kriegslokomotive) hauled a whole train. The structure with the derrick and the diesel engine on the rear of the cannon was removed and loaded on a two axle rungenwagen because it would interfere during the travel. There were ammo boxcars with an aperture on the front to move the ammo on the rear superstructure of the K5. It is a pity that no manufacturer is doing them. I do not have any picture of them. There were also wagons for spare parts, supply, for the crew to sleep, cook etc. flatcars to transport
vehicles (kubelwagen, trucks, motorcycles...). Another train moved the disassembled Vogele turntable. A small 3-axle diesel loco was used to move the K5 while in action shooting because the loco's smoke would show to the enemy the location of the gun.
I am slowly modeling a train in HO scale.
ALAMO

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 19:51, Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:

I'm trying to find a picture that will show the railway gun as it
would be set up to move - was there nothing but an engine connected to
it or were there also other cars?

Any suggestions for a book listed on EBay (US) that would really cover
the details of the unit?

Thanks for any help!

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Re: K5 moving

thealamo
 

A steam loco (usually a BR 42 or BR 52 Kriegslokomotive) hauled a whole train.  The structure with the derrick  and the diesel engine on the rear of the cannon was removed and loaded on a two axle rungenwagen because it would interfere during the travel.  There were ammo boxcars with an aperture on the front to move the ammo on the rear superstructure of the K5.  It is a pity that no manufacturer is doing them.  I do not have any picture of them.  There were also wagons for spare parts, supply, for the crew to sleep, cook etc. flatcars to transport
vehicles (kubelwagen, trucks, motorcycles...).  Another train moved the disassembled Vogele turntable. A  small 3-axle diesel loco was used to move the K5 while in action shooting because the loco's smoke would show to the enemy the location of the gun.
I am slowly modeling a train in HO scale.
ALAMO  

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 19:51, Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
I'm trying to find a picture that will show the railway gun as it
would be set up to move - was there nothing but an engine connected to
it or were there also other cars?

Any suggestions for a book listed on EBay (US) that would really cover
the details of the unit?

Thanks for any help!

--
I will never fear the Orcs - Captain Ron/Northern Anglo-Saxon Army

K5 moving

Ron Hunt
 

I'm trying to find a picture that will show the railway gun as it
would be set up to move - was there nothing but an engine connected to
it or were there also other cars?

Any suggestions for a book listed on EBay (US) that would really cover
the details of the unit?

Thanks for any help!

--
I will never fear the Orcs - Captain Ron/Northern Anglo-Saxon Army

Re: the capture of the Amiens gun ( in Legovision!)

Joseph
 

Thank you. That was awesome. 

Joseph H. Ficor, Writer and Teacher


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:12 AM Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:
What an enterprising undertaking - WWI in Lego animation.

Here's a link to images of the Amiens gun from the internet

I like the story of its capture - https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Amiens_Gun

Phil, Bklyn

Re: scale drawings of 400 Military vehicles (Free)

Peter Ellis
 

Geoff Lacey has done even more, but I don't think anyone has scanned them. Ive 15 lever arch files full of them!

Cheers

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On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:40 PM nicholas robinson <ndprobinson@...> wrote:

http://mickbellplans.com/

Re: scale drawings of 400 Military vehicles (Free)

Ron Hunt
 

GREAT link - Thanks!!


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 5:40 PM nicholas robinson <ndprobinson@...> wrote:

http://mickbellplans.com/

The late Mick Bell produced over 400 high quality technical drawings and plans of military vehicles at 1/76 scale, for use by modellers and vehicle enthusiasts. Since his death in 2007, these have not been readily available. The purpose of this website, created by his son, is to make these drawings available again as high-resolution digital copies.

Each drawing has its own page, showing a low-resolution preview of the drawing, with a link to the full-size high-res image. The pages are categorised by country, and are also tagged with vehicle manufacturers and types, for ease of browsing. A full index of the plans is provided below this post.

The drawings have been scanned at 600 dpi, and are all A4 size. Printing them onto A4 (with no margin) should reproduce the original dimensions, although a laser printer may be required to preserve the finer detail. Most of the plans are at 1/76 scale, but could easily be printed to different scales. For example, printing a 1/76 plan at 106% (76/72) should convert it to 1/72 scale. A few plans are at other scales: this is stated clearly on the plan and the relevant page.

The drawings are all released under the Creative Commons 4.0 Attribution licence. This makes them free to share and adapt, even for commercial purposes, as long as appropriate attribution is given to the original creator, Mick Bell. Please see the link for more information on the licence.

I have now completed uploading all the scanned A4 drawings. There are a few drawings missing, for two main reasons: they were on A3, or they are saved digitally as DWG files. I plan to tackle both of these groups of drawings at some point in the future.

Please let me know if you spot any errors. In particular, please note that I am not a military vehicle expert, so I may have made some mistakes in the titles, descriptions and tagging of the plans!

Many thanks to Paul Gandy for scanning the hard copy plans.

Tom Bell

A great resource!



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Re: scale drawings of 400 Military vehicles (Free)

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Sent: Wed, Jun 3, 2020 2:40 pm
Subject: [railwaygun] scale drawings of 400 Military vehicles (Free)

http://mickbellplans.com/

The late Mick Bell produced over 400 high quality technical drawings and plans of military vehicles at 1/76 scale, for use by modellers and vehicle enthusiasts. Since his death in 2007, these have not been readily available. The purpose of this website, created by his son, is to make these drawings available again as high-resolution digital copies.
Each drawing has its own page, showing a low-resolution preview of the drawing, with a link to the full-size high-res image. The pages are categorised by country, and are also tagged with vehicle manufacturers and types, for ease of browsing. A full index of the plans is provided below this post.
The drawings have been scanned at 600 dpi, and are all A4 size. Printing them onto A4 (with no margin) should reproduce the original dimensions, although a laser printer may be required to preserve the finer detail. Most of the plans are at 1/76 scale, but could easily be printed to different scales. For example, printing a 1/76 plan at 106% (76/72) should convert it to 1/72 scale.  A few plans are at other scales: this is stated clearly on the plan and the relevant page.
The drawings are all released under the Creative Commons 4.0 Attribution licence. This makes them free to share and adapt, even for commercial purposes, as long as appropriate attribution is given to the original creator, Mick Bell. Please see the link for more information on the licence.
I have now completed uploading all the scanned A4 drawings. There are a few drawings missing, for two main reasons: they were on A3, or they are saved digitally as DWG files. I plan to tackle both of these groups of drawings at some point in the future.
Please let me know if you spot any errors. In particular, please note that I am not a military vehicle expert, so I may have made some mistakes in the titles, descriptions and tagging of the plans!
Many thanks to Paul Gandy for scanning the hard copy plans.
Tom Bell

A great resource!

scale drawings of 400 Military vehicles (Free)

nicholas robinson
 

http://mickbellplans.com/

The late Mick Bell produced over 400 high quality technical drawings and plans of military vehicles at 1/76 scale, for use by modellers and vehicle enthusiasts. Since his death in 2007, these have not been readily available. The purpose of this website, created by his son, is to make these drawings available again as high-resolution digital copies.

Each drawing has its own page, showing a low-resolution preview of the drawing, with a link to the full-size high-res image. The pages are categorised by country, and are also tagged with vehicle manufacturers and types, for ease of browsing. A full index of the plans is provided below this post.

The drawings have been scanned at 600 dpi, and are all A4 size. Printing them onto A4 (with no margin) should reproduce the original dimensions, although a laser printer may be required to preserve the finer detail. Most of the plans are at 1/76 scale, but could easily be printed to different scales. For example, printing a 1/76 plan at 106% (76/72) should convert it to 1/72 scale.  A few plans are at other scales: this is stated clearly on the plan and the relevant page.

The drawings are all released under the Creative Commons 4.0 Attribution licence. This makes them free to share and adapt, even for commercial purposes, as long as appropriate attribution is given to the original creator, Mick Bell. Please see the link for more information on the licence.

I have now completed uploading all the scanned A4 drawings. There are a few drawings missing, for two main reasons: they were on A3, or they are saved digitally as DWG files. I plan to tackle both of these groups of drawings at some point in the future.

Please let me know if you spot any errors. In particular, please note that I am not a military vehicle expert, so I may have made some mistakes in the titles, descriptions and tagging of the plans!

Many thanks to Paul Gandy for scanning the hard copy plans.

Tom Bell

A great resource!

Re: Leopold1/35 scale model

Ron Hunt
 

Sorry man, I really should have thanked you for posting the listings.
I probably would have missed it if you hadn't done that.


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:26 AM Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:

Leopold 1/35 scale model Two are available on ebay at https://www.ebay.com/c/672421735

Pix and narrative on the web at

https://thegreatcanadianmodelbuilderswebpage.blogspot.com/search/label/Locomotive%20and%20Rail

Scroll down past the other models ondisplay to get to Leopold

Phil, Bklyn





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