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Re: numbers of Dora built (n)

Robert Carlson <Robert.Carlson@...>
 

Eugene Griessel wrote:
Very definitely only one gun. It was called Gustav by Krupp
Very definitely two guns, Gustav and Dora...there is a photo in the
Imperial War Museum of the two equipments together.
etc., etc.,
according to my references, there were definitely 2 80 cm RR Guns
built : Dora , completed in 1941, the Schwere Artillerie Abteilung
(E) 672 with something like 500 (!) soldiers was set up in January
1942; "Schwerer Gustav 2" was almost identical, but was never put
into service.

Dora and Gustav were destroyed by the Wehrmacht shortly before
the end of the war in Chemnitz and Grafenwöhr. Apparently some
of the usable parts of the RR carriages were put into civilian use in
the DDR. I heard a few years ago that on carriage had been found,
still working, at a gravel pit in Hedemünden.
Robert Carlson
Hauptstrasse 7
54570 Densborn/Eifel
Germany
Phone + FAX ++49 (0) 6594 1416
Robert.Carlson@...

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czech armoured trains

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

In-Reply-To: <memo.291111@...>
Dean Ketcham (ketcham@...)
Can anyone point me toward where I might find books about the Czechoslovakian participation in the Russian civil
war and particularly about the armored train
odessy?
Stumped
Dean



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Czech armoured train

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

In-Reply-To: <memo.291111@...>
Czech armoured train
paul malmassari has a chapter on czech trains - he refers to 36 trains built for the war against the bolsheviks -
though he does not refer to the Odyessey - does it have another name? (pp 335-7)

ketcham@... wrote:

According to Bruce Lincoln in "Red Victory": Orlik was "built by civil
engineers who fought as part of the Czech Legion, had guns mounted in
armored turrets similar to those used in heavy battleships." His source
was John Albert White "The Siberian Intervention".

for more on the Legion:

http://physserv1.physics.wisc.edu/~shalizi/Capek/capek-on-the-czech-legion.html

===============

according to malmassari, Orlik was constructed for the armies of the Tsar, was captured by the bolsheviks(named Lenin)
and then by the Czechs. It was recaptured by the White russian armies and was eventually captured by the Japanese in
Manchuria! It may also have served under the wermacht after capture by the reds.

it as captured at Oulianov 22 july 1918 and its name was changed from Lenin to Orlik.Orlik 1 and II were also
commissioned. there were also Orlik 3 &4

there is a picture of a large waggon with 2 domed turrets (of russian construction) see my web page on russian trains

this may simply add to the confusion!


Tichonov (armored railway motor cars (of USSR)) refers to armoured train no 4 (Polupanovtsy) captured by the Czechs on 22
june 1918 renamed Orlik and sent to the trans siberian mainline. it was captured by the japanese at Vladiviostok and then
attached to the rusian division of Haaul-Chan's chinese army.

best wishes

Dr Nicholas Robinson
The only railway gun & Armoured train web-museum on the planeT

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/n.robinson/railgun/index.htm



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czech armoured trains

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

In-Reply-To: <memo.291111@...>
Dean Ketcham wrote:
>Can anyone point me toward where I might find books about the Czechoslovakian participation in the Russian civil
war and particularly about the armored train Odeyessy?

"Red Victory" by W, Bruce Lincoln, Sinmon & Schuster has several references to the Czech Legion, including this
discription of armoured trains: "..the Orlik, the famed "Eagle" built by civil engineers who fought as part of the
Czech Legion, had guns mounted in armoured turrets similar to those used in heavy
battleships." Either this is hyperbola, or the turrets were similar to the secondary or tertiary armament of a
battleship.



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k5(E)

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

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i have just read an article in military modelling )1995 / july which claims that the k5 was self propelled. he says the
armoured module on ome truck is a diesel engine for propulsion?

any thoughts on this/ I would have thought it was for power generation not motion.
That's a new one on me ! I understood this diesel engine to be for
power generation to drive the hydraulics for the gun elevation and
possibly for the shell hoist (although this may have been manually
operated). Certainly the gun would have required a power source
though.

All the pictures and information I have seen about the K5 detail it as
being towed by a pair of locomotives (as per your site's details).
This is borne out by the postcards that have been produced by the
Museum of the Atlantic Wall which clearly show the gun being towed
behind locomotives (although this is only a model).

One wonders how, if the diesel engines are used for propulsion, the
power is transmitted to driving wheels. There is no obvious
transmission link to the bogeys - it certainly did not look as if the
gun could propel itself from what I've seen of the French exhibit.

Hope this helps / confirms your suspicions. It sounds to me like the
writer of the article had not properly researched his material. Apart
from this (error) though, is the article any good - does it detail the
Tamiya kit ?

Regards,
Chris Potter

Return e-mail:
potter@...
Author of 'The UK Cross Channel Hovercraft Homepage' at:
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Welcome to the railwaygun Mailing List

nrobinson <railwaygun@...>
 

Railwaygun & armoured train List

this is part of the web-museum


best wishes

Dr Nicholas Robinson
The only railway gun & Armoured train web-museum on the planeT

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/n.robinson/railgun/index.htm

please visit anytime but do not climb on the exhibits.

K5 - ? motorised

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

Regarding the sample question transmitted in that solicitation (a power unit for the K-5s): I called up to Aberdeen
Proving Ground where "Leopold" is displayed and the museum director, Dr. Atwater, says that there was no power unit
associated with those weapons. However, since on-carriage traverse of the weapons was limited, and gross traverse was
sometimes accomplished by moving the weapon along a curved track, I wouldn't be surprised if a mechanism for such limited
mobility was provided. It would be interesting to learn what a close inspection of the specimen at Batterie Todt reveals.
I'd look for two arrangements: either a mechanical linkage to one of the axles (gears, clutch, chain drive, etc.) or
(more likely) an arrangement with an electric motor, possibly axle mounted as on a street car or trolley, and driven by a
generator on the "armoured module." Maybe Chris Potter has already checked this out.

R, Jack



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Re: Czech armoured train

Peter Ellis <peter.ellis@...>
 

The message <memo.292369@...>
from nrobinson@... (Dr Nicholas Robinson) contains
these words:

according to malmassari, Orlik was constructed for the armies of
the Tsar, was captured by the bolsheviks(named Lenin)
and then by the Czechs. It was recaptured by the White russian armies
I thought that the Czech Legion fought *with* the White Russians?

BTW, I couldn't find the Capek lead on Shalizi's page. (Which must
have more links on it than any page I've ever seen, none of which
seemed relevant to us!)

Cheers

Peter.

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P O Box 179 Midlands ME Exhibition, Donnington, 17-24 Oct
Kensington FMEMS, The Federation of Model Engineering &
London SW5 9DS Modelling Societies



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looking for books

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

if you look on my bibliography page, you will find links to military booksellers around the world

best wishes

Dr Nicholas Robinson
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http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/n.robinson/railgun/index.htm

please visit anytime but do not climb on the exhibits.



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== No Subject ==

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

Gentlemen,
Several people have asked for this database, so I thought I would post it to
the list. PLEASE DO NOT REPOST IT. It is an excel spreadsheet and should be
readable by any spreadsheet program. If you see any errors or omissions,
please send me the corrections and the sources. This is an older version, but
my current one is a Claris Works application and can not be read by IBM
machines. It will take some time to download, as it is rather long. Any help
with the following nations would be welcome

SOUTH AMERICA (the whole continent!)
Spain
Portugal and Colonies
France and Colonies
Belgium and Colonies
Netherlands and Colonies
Italian Batteries in the Red Sea
Rumania
Iran
Iraq
Turkey especially Bosphorus
China
German WW1 Defences

Thanks you very much


please contact TSofian@... for a copy of his excel spreadsheet



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tiger tank transporters

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

there is correspondence on these at:

http://fistral.ncr-css.co.uk/users/jao.interactive/Germany/QsAndAs/QsAndAs.htm

"questions and answers on german railways"



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Re: Data on Coast Defenses needed

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

In-Reply-To: <66cc8f72.35a27a1a@...>
try my vladivostok contacts:

From: kav@...
Vladimir Kalinin

Dear Nicholas,

Many thanks on your kind reply on the our web-site. We, both,
already have visited your "The only railway gun & Armored train
web-museum on the planeT" and attempt to "climb on the exhibits".
A lot of impressions!

Recently we have found the mistake in our railway gun
information. The scheme of 305-mm/40-cal. railway gun TM-2-12 is
really the scheme of 305-mm/52-cal. railway gun TM-3-12 built for
Vladivostok in 1939 but remained on the Baltic because of Russo-
Finish Winter War of 1939 - 1940 and wasn't in Vladivostok ever.
We shall correct it as soon as possible.

We have L. I. Amirkhanov "Naval guns on the rail ways. SPb. 1994"
excessive exemplar and may send it to you. This book is equal by
size and composition with C. S. Small California's Railway Guns.
We may also to send you a copy of our article on Vladivostok
railway guns and the copy of A. B. Shirokorad article on mobile
guns in Russian coast defense (it was the base of the lecture
taken place in March, 12, 1998). Unfortunately all these data are
in Russian. The dollar cheques are no available in Vladivostok
but the delivering of such English (American) literature as a
change may be more convenient. We are very interesting in such
literature on fortification constructions of the US coast defense
batteries, for example.

Cordially,

Vladimir Kalinin

Vladimir Ipatov

http://www.dvgu.ru/eng/region/culture/fort/railgun_en.htm



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Data on Coast Defenses needed

Terry Sofian
 

Hello,
As most of you know I am working on a data base (to become a book) on coastal
defense weapons. Right now I need data on coastal defense guns, railway guns
used in coastal defenses and armored trains that had a coastal defense role.
As things progress I will be needing photographs and drawings. I will be
happy to share the data base I have now, which is about 500 kb, with anyone
interested. I have some specific questions at this time:

I need the following information:
Data on French WW1 164mm guns on armored trains.
Data on French WW1 194mm guns on armored trains.
Italian 120mm and 152mm guns on WW1 trains
Italian 102mm, 120mm and 152mm guns on WW2 Armored trains.
Russian 8 inch L/50 guns on railway mounts.
10 inch Russia/Soviet railway mounts.
Did the Austrians use railway guns for CD in WW1?
Did any South American nations get railway CD weapons. I think Chile ordered
some from France, but have no other data.
What nations dedicated armored trains to coastal defense. I know that Canada,
Great Britain did during WW2 and that France did during WW1 and that Italy did
during both wars, anyone else?

Thanks in advance.

Terry


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coast defences

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

Dr Nicholas Robinson asked me to contact you since you are interested in
American Coast Defenses. I am a member of the Coast Defense Study Group, a US
organization devoted to the study of American Coast Defenses. Our
organization's website is at

http://www.cdsg.org/

On this site you will find membership information, links to other US Coast
Defense sites etc.

My website at

http://members.aol.com/LUNTERBORN/lee.html

Also has Coast Defense links.

If you have specific questions about US Coast Defenses do not hesitate to
contact me at lunterborn@... . I will attempt to answer any questions you
send.

Lee R. Unterborn
MyWebsite(Coast Artillery, Fortification, Military History, Annotated
Bibliographies on Military Subjects, Library Links):
http://members.aol.com/LUNTERBORN/lee.html



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== No Subject ==

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

try this for a list of ALL good web search engines!

http://www.albany.net/allinone/all1www.html#WWW



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In search of a book ...

rgarcia6@...
 

A couple of people have mentioned the following book:

"Die Panzerzuege des Deutschen Reiches 1904-1945" by Wolfgang Sawodny
(Armored Trains of the German Reich), published by EK-Verlag.

Does anyone know where I might obtain a copy? While I am at it, does anyone
know where I might find a copy of the following:

"Rail Gun" by John Batchelor and Ian Hogg (long out of print)
"Steel Rails to Victory" by Ron Ziel, published by Hawthorn Books, Inc.

Any information is appreciated. Thanks.

Ramon N Garcia
rgarcia6@...


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books wanted

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

i found my copy of Rail Gun (hogg/batchelor) at Stanley fish & Co - 101625.1043@...

�20.00 inc p/p (UK)

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Re: In search of a book ...

Kevin W. Yates
 

Hello,

I have a copy of "Steel Rails To Victory". If you don't know,
Written by: Ron Ziel
Published by: Hawthorn Books, Inc., 260 Madison Avenue, New York, NY
10016

Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 76-126785

My copy was bought off of an individual in 1975, it was a Christmas
present. I purchased it at a model train collector show. I live in the
USA and there are several usually going on each week-end. If the
publisher is kaput I would try a book finder service company. Good luck
to you in your search.


Nerd


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Re: tiger tank transporters

Dr Nicholas Robinson <nrobinson@...>
 

In-Reply-To: <35AA4EE8.3F3F@...>
the only HO mnodels available are the hasegawa model (OO scale) of leopold (K5E) and the bodo hackeborn models (see models
page

there have been other models in the past.


armour companies are moving into military railways, as they have exhausted the variants of tracked models!



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Re: tiger tank transporters

Kevin W. Yates
 

I continue to be amazed at the depth of info you have unearthed. I have
just about made this my favorite earthbound site, I spend a lot of time
at astronomy related areas.

I have found that the attraction for these military behemoths transcends
most boundaries. From "n" scale to 1/35 I have seen examples of most
military models. These are by far the most impressive.

If anyone finds HO models of any railguns I would appreciate the tip.

Sincerely,

Kevin


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