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Re: German 28cm Kanone 3 Auf Lastentraeger E-75 #Modelling #Railwayguns

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
 

On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:40:30 -0800
"nr_groups" <nrobinson@...> wrote:

1/72 German 28cm Kanone 3 Auf Lastentraeger E-75 ( http://1/72 German 28cm Kanone 3 Auf Lastentraeger E-75 )
on of  the more bizarre ideas from WW2 - a K5 mounted on two Tiger/E-100 chassis
Someone probably thought it might make the K5 more mobile, and less dependent on railway tracks...

Cheers,

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German 28cm Kanone 3 Auf Lastentraeger E-75 #Modelling #Railwayguns

nr_groups
 

1/72 German 28cm Kanone 3 Auf Lastentraeger E-75

on of  the more bizarre ideas from WW2 - a K5 mounted on two Tiger/E-100 chassis

Coals to Newcastle - T34s return to Russia! #MilitaryRail

nr_groups
 

Re: Dora Done

Ron Hunt
 

That was kind of cool going through the pics of his build and seeing the differences in what he did and this 1/72 scale model. I think I would trust his to be more accurate but it sure makes one wonder what plans Hobby Boss used to engineer the model.

Ron


On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:45 PM Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:
Ron - Very nicely done! Congratulations!

Here's a fellow modeler who made a 1/6th scale version.

Phil, Bklyn


On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:08 PM Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Actually I still have a couple small things to do, one I didn't notice until I tool the pics and I can't finish the base until I find some trim I like. But I'm calling it done, not quite exactly as I wanted it but I am happy with it..
Ron

Re: Dora Done

Phil Gilson
 

Ron - Very nicely done! Congratulations!

Here's a fellow modeler who made a 1/6th scale version.

Phil, Bklyn


On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 5:08 PM Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Actually I still have a couple small things to do, one I didn't notice until I tool the pics and I can't finish the base until I find some trim I like. But I'm calling it done, not quite exactly as I wanted it but I am happy with it..
Ron

Dora Done

Ron Hunt
 

Actually I still have a couple small things to do, one I didn't notice until I tool the pics and I can't finish the base until I find some trim I like. But I'm calling it done, not quite exactly as I wanted it but I am happy with it..
Ron

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

Paul Betts
 

Very notice video and thanks for posting it.  In all my hunting for information on the K-5s I never saw this video.

A little more information on the guns.

The generator on the K-5 in France is actually the wrong one for the type of gun.  The generator is equipped with the two track system for loading shells while the K-5 itself is only equipped with a single track system.  But it is a generator, which sadly the real Leopold at Fort Lee is missing.  It would be fairly easy to modify, but then how many people will ever notice it?

The Americans actually transported three K-5s to the States after the war.  Obviously two were the aforementioned Leopold and Robert.  In addition they also transported a third gun which had been modified to fire the "Peenemunder Pfeilgeschosse or Penemunde Arrow" type shells, which were  discarding sabot rounds, known as the K-5 Glatt.  Both Robert and the K-5 Glatt met the scrapper's torch eventually.  I have often wondered if the generators were actually transported to the States with the guns.  Photos of Leopold with American troops on it show the camoflage frame on top of the gun, which means the carriage had probably been changed to transport mode.  This mean, as you know, that the generator would have been moved onto the transport flatcar immediately behind the gun.  Did the Americans recognize the need for the generator or did they just figure "we have generators by the ton"?

I have attached a photo of the three guns that I spotted on ebay, sadly I was not able to buy the actual photo.  Notice Leopold, in the foreground, has her barrel pointed to the left.  There are two other barrels on the right, one belonging to Robert and the other to the K-5 Glatt.  In the photo, the generator is missing and the rear truck is in the firing position not the transport position.  Also all of the framework on top of the gun has been cleaned off.

One of these days I'll have to post some photos of my model of the K-5 (Dragon version) which I kitbashed to show the prototype with the barrel frame, the rabbit ears, the extra trunion and the mid frame ladders.  I am one of these people that believe it was not "Bruno Nueue", but that it was the first gun of the K-5 series.  A point that can be discussed at a later time if desired.

I also have two more kits of the Leopold that I am going to use as parts for a build of the K-12N, the WW2 version of the Paris gun.  Mostly I can get the trucks, and many smaller parts out of them, although the trucks have to be modified from 6 axles to 5 axles.  Probably about 75% of the gun will have to be scratch built.  Fortunately I was able to contact someone (name withheld by his request) and got some really nice drawings of the gun that came from Krupp.  I believe they have since been donated back to the German archives.

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 7:14:18 AM MST, Peter Ellis <peter.ellis@...> wrote:


If I was in London, I'd be happy to take you up on that !

BTW, someone does do, or did, a 1/87 resin generator because I've got
one, but cannot remember where from.

Happy New Year !

On 1/2/19 2:54 PM, Phil Gilson wrote:
A happy New Year to all our 377 members and a reminder that we are
21yrs old on 17th January!

Drinks at my place!

BW

Nick R.
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1/87th Generator

Clyde E Mueller
 

  Artmaster makes the Generator in 1/87th. it  is in and out of stock at Panzerfux.de  Clyde 




On 1/2/2019 6:14 AM, Peter Ellis wrote:
If I was in London, I'd be happy to take you up on that !

BTW, someone does do, or did, a 1/87 resin generator because I've got
one, but cannot remember where from.


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Re: 13 min Railway gun video

Peter Ellis
 

If I was in London, I'd be happy to take you up on that !

BTW, someone does do, or did, a 1/87 resin generator because I've got
one, but cannot remember where from.

Happy New Year !


On 1/2/19 2:54 PM, Phil Gilson wrote:
A happy New Year to all our 377 members and a reminder that we are
21yrs old on 17th January!

Drinks at my place!

BW

Nick R.
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Peter Ellis

Porec Sales Office
Croatia Property Services

Selling in the new Tuscany!

Tel +385 (0) 91 400 3784

peter.ellis@...
info@...

http://www.croatiapropertyservices.com
http://croatiaproperty.proboards.com

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

Phil Gilson
 

WWI summarized by the numbers - three pages of this and that - all-in-all it's very sobering!


Phil, Bklyn


On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 3:24 AM nr_groups <nrobinson@...> wrote:
in N scale, the Dragon & Hobbytrain models do have the generator carriage - pics to follow whwn I can get into the attic!

A happy New Year to all our 377 members and a reminder that we are 21yrs old on 17th January!

Drinks at my place!

BW

Nick R.

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

nr_groups
 
Edited

in N scale, the Dragon & Hobbytrain models do have the generator carriage - pics to follow whwn I can get into the attic!

A happy New Year to all our 377 members and a reminder that we are 21yrs old on 17th January! ( although the opening message is dated 07/03/1998 !)

Drinks at my place!

BW

Nick R.

Poppies (Phil)

Ron Hunt
 

Amazing! I've never seen anything like that. I was always stuck on WW2 ... way more interested in the equipment - aircraft/tanks/ships - stuff like that than the history of it.

Almost have my 1/72 "Dora" done, maybe by the middle of next week.

Ron

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

simon pocock
 

Great video, great guns … thanks and happy new year everyone

 

Simon

 

From: railwaygun@groups.io <railwaygun@groups.io> On Behalf Of thealamo
Sent: 01 January 2019 17:36
To: railwaygun@groups.io
Subject: Re: [railwaygun] 13 min Railway gun video

 

Phil,

fantastic video!!!  Where did you get it?  VERY FEW photos in this video have been published before.

At 3.11 minutes there is a beautiful photo of the 28cm.K5(E) Eisenbahn railway cannon ROBERT, it was together with its 'brother' LEOPOLD (of the 712 Eisenbahn-Artillerie-Batterie) at Anzio (Italy) beach head shelling the Allied in WWII.  Both were found at the Civitavecchia rail yard (south of Rome), cpl. with all the supply wagons, because the retreating Germans cannot move them due to the bombing of the railway line (courtesy of the Allied airplanes!). Both were moved to the port of Naples and shipped to Aberdeen Proving Ground for evaluation. ROBERT was used to repair/complete LEOPOLD and later on scrapped.  

The video also shows another K5 (E) preserved at Audinghen (France) near the Bunker of Batterie Todt.  This one is complete with the generator platform, the one at A.P.G. does not have it.

This generator during transport was loaded on a two axle wagon.  This is funny: as you may see from the video the K5(E) at BatterieTodt has been refurbished and LEOPOLD painted on the sides....  Well, "Houston, we have a problem...".  It seems that there were 2 (two!!) LEOPOLD K5(E) r.r. cannons???

Phil can you write for me what the speaker says when comments the video of the Batterie Todt r.r. cannon?? THANKS A LOT.  My English is good but I don't understand what he says!!

 

The LIMA model, and later on the RIVAROSSI/HORNBY one, unfortunately, do not have the generator platform.  It seems that this model is a scaled down to 1/87-HO from the Hasegawa 1/72 one.  However, the Hasegawa one did have the generator platform.

May be somebody does know if a plastic kit (or  a built model) of the generator is available??

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR full of many railway artillery models and supply wagons!!  It seems that nobody makes them in 1/87 scale...

 

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 at 11:02, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:

A 13 minute railwaygun video

 

 

Phil, Bklyn

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

thealamo
 

Phil,
fantastic video!!!  Where did you get it?  VERY FEW photos in this video have been published before.
At 3.11 minutes there is a beautiful photo of the 28cm.K5(E) Eisenbahn railway cannon ROBERT, it was together with its 'brother' LEOPOLD (of the 712 Eisenbahn-Artillerie-Batterie) at Anzio (Italy) beach head shelling the Allied in WWII.  Both were found at the Civitavecchia rail yard (south of Rome), cpl. with all the supply wagons, because the retreating Germans cannot move them due to the bombing of the railway line (courtesy of the Allied airplanes!). Both were moved to the port of Naples and shipped to Aberdeen Proving Ground for evaluation. ROBERT was used to repair/complete LEOPOLD and later on scrapped.  
The video also shows another K5 (E) preserved at Audinghen (France) near the Bunker of Batterie Todt.  This one is complete with the generator platform, the one at A.P.G. does not have it.
This generator during transport was loaded on a two axle wagon.  This is funny: as you may see from the video the K5(E) at BatterieTodt has been refurbished and LEOPOLD painted on the sides....  Well, "Houston, we have a problem...".  It seems that there were 2 (two!!) LEOPOLD K5(E) r.r. cannons???
Phil can you write for me what the speaker says when comments the video of the Batterie Todt r.r. cannon?? THANKS A LOT.  My English is good but I don't understand what he says!!

The LIMA model, and later on the RIVAROSSI/HORNBY one, unfortunately, do not have the generator platform.  It seems that this model is a scaled down to 1/87-HO from the Hasegawa 1/72 one.  However, the Hasegawa one did have the generator platform.
May be somebody does know if a plastic kit (or  a built model) of the generator is available??

HAPPY NEW YEAR full of many railway artillery models and supply wagons!!  It seems that nobody makes them in 1/87 scale...

On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 at 11:02, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

Phil Gilson
 

Thanks Ron. The turntable shown early in the video is among the 85 pix collection I posted earlier.

Here's something I found on Monday, Dec. 31, 2018

888,246 ceramic poppies (planted around the Tower of London) commemorating British Empire losses in WWI

https://www.npr.org/2014/08/16/340649115/a-sea-of-ceramic-poppies-honors-britains-wwi-dead

When I was in school during the 40s, 50s. and 60s, WWI was barely covered. As a result, I'm still catching up and learning something new every day.


Phil


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 10:33 AM Ron Hunt <btlarea@...> wrote:
Good video, thanks for posting it!

Ron

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 5:02 AM Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:

Re: 13 min Railway gun video

Ron Hunt
 

Good video, thanks for posting it!

Ron


On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 5:02 AM Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:

13 min Railway gun video

Phil Gilson
 

Re: 85 Photos

Chuck Walters
 

Hi Phil,

My wife and I have travelled to France many times and I always check out bunkers, sub pens etc. This time we stayed at a nearby golf course as a base and went all over that part of France, including Carnac and Island  of Belle Isle.

It was  in the 90's. I model railguns and armored trains in HO gauge. I have quite a library on each. In fact I have a book on Pluoharnel.

There were no signs and it took years to find out the name of the place. I took many photos.

Your data came through with captions for each photo. Number 81 (not 82) says Plouharnel in the data below the photo and I recognised the surroundings. You can also see the remnants of the vogle turntable. Several other photos show a vogel even though they are not at Plouharnel. I have a model of the Vogel turntable also-unbuilt. I have several unbuilt kits of k5 railguns. I started one but gave up as I had to convert a 1/72 scale gun to 1/87 (HO).

Unfortunatley we recently moved and all of my models and books are boxed and in storage. To top that off I had a 5 way heart bypass and a ruptured aoata just after we moved and am in a long term recovery mode.Thankfully all is positive-just very slow.

Good to "talk" to someone about railguns. (I have visited the k5 at Aberdeen Proving Grounds and the one in Northern France).

Thanks again.
Chuck (Silverdale, WA)



On Saturday, December 29, 2018, 8:23:33 PM PST, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:


Chuck - Thanks for your input. All I could find on the web is this youtube showing coastal artillery emplacements marred with graffiti. I don't have to wonder what le Bosch occupiers  would have done to those 'spray can artiste' back then. Youth today have no appreciation for the suffering and sacrifices of their forefathers.


And how did you id #82 as being in that location?

Phil, Bklyn

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 2:48 PM Chuck Walters via Groups.Io <tautemarite2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great rr gun photos! Especially # 82 of railgun at Plouharmel, which I visited and explored.
Chuck Walters

On Saturday, December 29, 2018, 11:17:00 AM PST, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:


85 photos of WWII railway guns in ETO


Phil, Bklyn

Re: 85 Photos

Phil Gilson
 

Chuck - Thanks for your input. All I could find on the web is this youtube showing coastal artillery emplacements marred with graffiti. I don't have to wonder what le Bosch occupiers  would have done to those 'spray can artiste' back then. Youth today have no appreciation for the suffering and sacrifices of their forefathers.


And how did you id #82 as being in that location?

Phil, Bklyn

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 2:48 PM Chuck Walters via Groups.Io <tautemarite2=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great rr gun photos! Especially # 82 of railgun at Plouharmel, which I visited and explored.
Chuck Walters

On Saturday, December 29, 2018, 11:17:00 AM PST, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:


85 photos of WWII railway guns in ETO


Phil, Bklyn

Re: 85 Photos

Chuck Walters
 

Great rr gun photos! Especially # 82 of railgun at Plouharmel, which I visited and explored.
Chuck Walters

On Saturday, December 29, 2018, 11:17:00 AM PST, Phil Gilson <breezyphil@...> wrote:


85 photos of WWII railway guns in ETO


Phil, Bklyn