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Re: Future Meetings

Mike Horn
 

Hi, That is great.  Probably best if you bring your own chair.  We will have some, half are chaise lounges because of the location.  We can provide some, being grandparents, we have the requisite soccer chairs too.

Mike

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Elishia Dallman
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 10:58 AM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Hi Mike, I will be attending.

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: "Kathleen Harvey via groups.io" <harveyke@...>

Date: 7/23/20 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)

Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I wish I could attend. However, I am having surgery a few days before and doubt if I will be up and around yet. Looking forward to seeing everyone again. 

Warmest Regards,
Kathleen
609-792-3908

 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:09, Bayard Saraduke

<bayard1@...> wrote:

Hi Mike, I can come on August 4th.

Bayard 

 


On Jul 22, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Gerald Giles <gpgiles@...> wrote:

Mike I’m up for coming on August 4th Jeanne Giles



On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Phyllis Pollio <inclasssupport@...> wrote:



I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  

Stay well and take care,

Phyllis  :)

 

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

We've only heard from a few folks on this...

 

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

 

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

 

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  

 

   or my own: mdhageman1@....

 

Thank you,

Marie

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Elishia Dallman
 

Hi Mike, I will be attending.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Kathleen Harvey via groups.io" <harveyke@...>
Date: 7/23/20 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

I wish I could attend. However, I am having surgery a few days before and doubt if I will be up and around yet. Looking forward to seeing everyone again. 

Warmest Regards,
Kathleen
609-792-3908

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:09, Bayard Saraduke
<bayard1@...> wrote:
Hi Mike, I can come on August 4th.
Bayard 


On Jul 22, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Gerald Giles <gpgiles@...> wrote:

Mike I’m up for coming on August 4th Jeanne Giles


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Phyllis Pollio <inclasssupport@...> wrote:


I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  
Stay well and take care,
Phyllis  :)

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Tues., August 4th., in-person meeting.

Bob and Myrna Bookbinder
 

Hello Everyone,
     Sorry, but Myrna and I will not be able to attend. Good luck!

On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...> wrote:



Greetings All,

Mike and Bea Horn have invited us to their yard for a pre-season/makeup-for-what-we-missed/reconnect-with-each-other meeting.

Tues., August 4th., 6 pm until… 

It’s not a dinner.  If you need to eat there, due to work schedule, or whatever, no problem. Bring whatever food and drinks you want with you.

I don’t suggest we bring food to share, as that would involve all of us touching serving utensils, etc.

I am asking our hosts not to provide food for the same reason.

If anyone really feels that they must bring something for sharing, please make it something along the order of cookies or cupcakes, or a similar item that doesn’t need to be scooped or spooned, or involve any serving utensils.

They will have water to fill your bottles/cups.

We can sit and chat with each other and reconnect with fellow members before we start with the rather-less-personal cyber meetings.

Come Sept 1st, the start of our regular year, we will have online meetings, as we have no options available for our regular in-person meetings.

Mike’s address is:

107 Lippincott Ave

Riverton, NJ 08077

Hope to see you all there.
Marie


Re: Future Meetings

Mike Horn
 



Not sure that this is the best way to hammer this out but I will give it a go.  If you can set up a backup meeting for the same time and send out the information that way everyone would have it in advance and either plan to attend in person or by Cyber if the weather steps in.  I already set up 2 Zoom meetings at 7 and 7.50 PM for that night in case you were not able to provide your platform.  I sent the information to Marie to distribute if necessary.  There is no cost to Zoom if the meetings are 40 minutes or less and less than 100 participants. There is no cost if we do or do not use the platform, which is why I set it up.  I have no knowledge of your proposal, or cost.  I am hoping for good weather.

Since we are planning to proceed with the outdoor venue I was hoping for an earlier time than 7 PM.  I was hoping for 5.30 or 6 PM so that we had good light.  We should have adequate light until 8.30 PM.

For those coming the address is 107 Lippincott Ave., Riverton.  We are on the corner of Lippincott (surprise) and 2nd St., the northwest corner.  My recommendation would be to park on 2nd St. near the first driveway, as there is an entrance to the pool area right there.  If you are first, or there is room, pull into the driveway to allow others to park behind you.  Going north on 2nd St.  there is a white vinyl fence with a gate that will also get you in but you will be walking among my dahlias.  I should have some blooming and if you want to have the opportunity to see some varieties I would recommend checking this out.  I have about 150 hills with 30, or 40, varieties.  From that area there is another gate to the pool area on your left.  For those not wanting to come in contact with anyone at all there is a third entrance across the lawn on Lippincott Ave. I am mentally thinking that will be the area for the show table as we have a table that will hold a good number of your blooms, for those who want to share their success.

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of John DeGood
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:45 AM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Thanks to Mike and Bea offering to host us. I can attend on 8/4.

 

All the professional and hobby organizations I belong to lost their indoor meeting venues and now only gather online or outdoors. I believe  it's unwise, especially given the average age of Pinelands' membership, to return to indoor meetings until the pandemic is eventually controlled.

 

If the weather forces you to cancel on 8/4, I can host a virtual meeting instead.

 

John

Tues., August 4th., in-person meeting.

Marie Hageman
 

Greetings All,

Mike and Bea Horn have invited us to their yard for a pre-season/makeup-for-what-we-missed/reconnect-with-each-other meeting.

Tues., August 4th., 6 pm until… 

It’s not a dinner.  If you need to eat there, due to work schedule, or whatever, no problem. Bring whatever food and drinks you want with you.

I don’t suggest we bring food to share, as that would involve all of us touching serving utensils, etc.

I am asking our hosts not to provide food for the same reason.

If anyone really feels that they must bring something for sharing, please make it something along the order of cookies or cupcakes, or a similar item that doesn’t need to be scooped or spooned, or involve any serving utensils.

They will have water to fill your bottles/cups.

We can sit and chat with each other and reconnect with fellow members before we start with the rather-less-personal cyber meetings.

Come Sept 1st, the start of our regular year, we will have online meetings, as we have no options available for our regular in-person meetings.

Mike’s address is:

107 Lippincott Ave

Riverton, NJ 08077

Hope to see you all there.
Marie


Re: Future Meetings

Mike Horn
 

Completely understand.  Hope the surgery goes well.  You are both welcome if you can make it.

Mike

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Rogan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:33 AM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Hi All,

I said (right at the start, I think) that this was a great idea, in case anyone missed it. Now that Kathleen has some surgery scheduled, and will need my help, I might not make it. Will try though.

John

On 7/22/2020 11:10 AM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

We've only heard from a few folks on this...

 

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

 

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

 

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  

 

   or my own: mdhageman1@....

 

Thank you,

Marie

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

John DeGood
 

Thanks to Mike and Bea offering to host us. I can attend on 8/4.

All the professional and hobby organizations I belong to lost their indoor meeting venues and now only gather online or outdoors. I believe that it's unwise, especially given the average age of Pinelands' membership, to return to indoor meetings until the pandemic is eventually controlled.

If the weather forces you to cancel on 8/4, I can host a virtual meeting instead.

John

Re: Future Meetings

John Rogan
 

Hi All,

I said (right at the start, I think) that this was a great idea, in case anyone missed it. Now that Kathleen has some surgery scheduled, and will need my help, I might not make it. Will try though.

John

On 7/22/2020 11:10 AM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Kathleen Harvey
 

I wish I could attend. However, I am having surgery a few days before and doubt if I will be up and around yet. Looking forward to seeing everyone again. 

Warmest Regards,
Kathleen
609-792-3908

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:09, Bayard Saraduke
<bayard1@...> wrote:
Hi Mike, I can come on August 4th.
Bayard 


On Jul 22, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Gerald Giles <gpgiles@...> wrote:

Mike I’m up for coming on August 4th Jeanne Giles


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Phyllis Pollio <inclasssupport@...> wrote:


I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  
Stay well and take care,
Phyllis  :)

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Bayard Saraduke
 

Hi Mike, I can come on August 4th.
Bayard 


On Jul 22, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Gerald Giles <gpgiles@...> wrote:

Mike I’m up for coming on August 4th Jeanne Giles


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Phyllis Pollio <inclasssupport@...> wrote:


I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  
Stay well and take care,
Phyllis  :)

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Gerald Giles
 

Mike I’m up for coming on August 4th Jeanne Giles


On Jul 22, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Phyllis Pollio <inclasssupport@...> wrote:


I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  
Stay well and take care,
Phyllis  :)

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Phyllis Pollio
 

I will be unable to attend, but thank you.  
Stay well and take care,
Phyllis  :)

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 11:10 AM Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

sweet pea
 

Hi Mike and Bea,  Thank you for your generous offer but will have to decline.  Bill Quirk

On 07/17/2020 3:17 PM Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  


From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings


Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:


Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 


Re: Future Meetings

Carole Lee Richards
 

While Mike's invitation is more than generous, I'm trying to avoid gatherings.  Unfortunately, I'll have to pass. Thanks to Mike for offering to host.

Carole
Carole Lee Richards

This email may not be forwarded to anyone without the written permission of the author under protection of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C.


On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, 11:10:56 AM EDT, Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...> wrote:


We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (withinI our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Marie Hageman
 

We've only heard from a few folks on this...

We have a generous invitation to have an outdoor meeting in August, (Tuesday evening, the 4th) at the Horn's residence.

We need all to RSVP to see if there is enough interest.

If you don't want to publicly (within our group) RSVP, then please do so via Mike's email: mdmd409@...  
 
   or my own: mdhageman1@....

Thank you,
Marie

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Valerie Oldham
 

We left the CH Fire hall because they told us we could no longer bring our own refreshments, we had to use their catering service and pay an additional fee.  They also stopped showing up to let us in.....

On 7/17/2020 10:54 AM, Kathleen Harvey via groups.io wrote:
After reviewing the string of comments, it seems joining the 2 clubs isn't feasible. With that in mind, the next issue is determining if there are venues that will accept our small groups for in person meetings. To me, personally, I enjoy the camaraderie and socializing of our groups, and seeing everyone's orchids each month. I have missed those occasions the last few months. 
Years ago, the Pinelands group met at the local fire hall on route 38. I wasn't part of the decision to leave that venue, and am unaware why we did that. Could we consider asking them to host us again?
Another thought is the cherry hill municipal building has a meeting room with a kitchen where another garden club met before covid. 
As for south Jersey, I thought Marie had another local church close to the one where we met this past year. Is that venue open to visitors?
If all else fails, we can meet virtually, but I prefer meeting in person. 

Warmest Regards,
Kathleen
609-792-3908

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:42, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron


-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.
“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”
(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)
Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.
If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.
So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?
We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?
Thanks,
Marie


On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:


Thanks, Jeanne.
John
On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:
Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles


On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:


Hi All,
I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?
John
On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.
This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.
We have two choices:
1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,
2. Going cyber.
Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.
Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.
So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.
Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.
Hope to see you all, soon.
Marie



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Re: Future Meetings

Nancy Volpe
 

Bea and Mike,
As much as Joe and I would love to see your orchids and property we too are avoiding any gatherings. Hopefully you will invite us another time. 
Regrets, Nancy & Joe

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On Saturday, July 18, 2020, Tom Gilman via groups.io <tcgilman@...> wrote:

Mike,

I second Bob and Sherron's response.  I appreciate your offer, but I am continuing to stay near home and avoiding gatherings.  I am learning to live through Zoom.

Regards,
Tom Gilman

In a message dated 7/17/2020 4:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, chelsea6238@... writes:

Mike,

Thank you for your offer to have us all meet in your yard, and around the pool no less, but Sherron and I have avoided group gatherings. Even in a large space, people cannot maintain social distancing for any length of time and then you have problems. It would be great to see everyone face to face, but the risk is toomuch. Our other groups have been meeting using ZOOM and it has been very well accepted. We  miss you all and during these very difficult times we all have to make the decisions we feel are best for our own families. Please all safe safe and healthy and keep those orchids blooming! Bob and Sherron


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Horn <mdmd409@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.
Mike

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.
That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.
I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter.
First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?
John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

Marie



On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.
Mike Horn


From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron
-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings
Hi All,
I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.
On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.
Regards,
John
On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:
For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings
Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.
“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”
(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)
Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.
If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.
So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?
We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?
Thanks,
Marie


On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:


Thanks, Jeanne.
John
On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:
Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?
John
On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.
This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.
We have two choices:
1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,
2. Going cyber.
Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.
Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.
So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.
Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.
Hope to see you all, soon.
Marie



Re: Future Meetings

Tom Gilman
 

Mike,

I second Bob and Sherron's response.  I appreciate your offer, but I am continuing to stay near home and avoiding gatherings.  I am learning to live through Zoom.

Regards,
Tom Gilman

In a message dated 7/17/2020 4:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, chelsea6238@... writes:

Mike,

Thank you for your offer to have us all meet in your yard, and around the pool no less, but Sherron and I have avoided group gatherings. Even in a large space, people cannot maintain social distancing for any length of time and then you have problems. It would be great to see everyone face to face, but the risk is toomuch. Our other groups have been meeting using ZOOM and it has been very well accepted. We  miss you all and during these very difficult times we all have to make the decisions we feel are best for our own families. Please all safe safe and healthy and keep those orchids blooming! Bob and Sherron


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Horn <mdmd409@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.
Mike

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.
That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.
I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter.
First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?
John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

Marie



On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.
Mike Horn


From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron
-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings
Hi All,
I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.
On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.
Regards,
John
On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:
For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings
Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.
“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”
(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)
Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.
If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.
So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?
We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?
Thanks,
Marie


On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:


Thanks, Jeanne.
John
On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:
Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

Hi All,
I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?
John
On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.
This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.
We have two choices:
1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,
2. Going cyber.
Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.
Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.
So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.
Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.
Hope to see you all, soon.
Marie



Re: Future Meetings

John Rogan
 

That sounds great to me!

John

On 7/17/2020 5:45 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:
That's cool. Always up for a garden party.
We could bring our own snacks so we aren't all touching the same utensils, than there should be no problem.
We'll see what everyone says.
Thanks, Mike.

Marie


On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie

 

Re: Future Meetings

Gerald Giles
 

Sounds good to me Mike, would love to see everyone and zoom we’ve done with my book clubs leaves to desire. Jeanne 


On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...> wrote:


That's cool. Always up for a garden party.
We could bring our own snacks so we aren't all touching the same utensils, than there should be no problem.
We'll see what everyone says.
Thanks, Mike.

Marie


On Friday, July 17, 2020, 03:17:37 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:


Hi again,  I would suggest that the 4th is as good as any other day.  I would also hold out another possibility:  We (Bea and I) have a large yard that could easily accommodate 20 to 30 people with social distancing.  If we held the meeting around 5.30 or 6 PM light would not be an issue until 8.15 or later. You would have to bring your own chairs and those who wanted, their bathing suits, or not, oh wait that is the other group.  If the weather is bad we fall back to the cyber meeting.  This would not be doable past September, but it might work for 2 months?  After that we would need the cyber route.  We are in Riverton, next door to Cinnaminson, Delran, Palmyra, Pennsauken, Moorestown, and not far from Cherry Hill.  Just throwing it out for food for thought or confusion.

Mike  

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Hageman via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:43 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

Emoji I categorically deny that it has anything to do with age! My objection is overload. My brokerages, taxes, communication with friends, shopping, securing the facilities and speakers for this club, even processing my few-thousand photos each week, and almost everything else in life, are all now done in front of this blasted screen. I'm sick of it! It’s not getting together with real people and enjoying real orchids.

That being said, I have contacted our Sept. speaker to see if doing his presentation online is a possibility, just to be prepared.

I really like the idea of a preliminary meeting in August. It’s been so long since we’ve all seen each other, for one, and I like the idea of getting the bugs worked out prior to the time when we are paying the presenter. 

First Tues in August is the 4th. Who else is good with that?

John DeGood, are you able to host us then? (Or whatever the correct terminology is for the cyber-magic you will need to do.)

 

Marie

 

 

 

On Friday, July 17, 2020, 12:23:16 PM EDT, Mike Horn <mdmd409@...> wrote:

 

 

If you people weren’t so old you wouldn’t mind the Zoom process.  When I get to your age I hope I am more open minded.  Oh, wait, I was your age 10 years ago.  I think there has been a lot of good discussion about the fact that there is no obvious meeting place, in the foreseeable future, that will allow us to meet, or for us to feel safe being there.  We therefore should look for the next best thing and at least try it.  I believe John DE Good offered to host a meeting on a platform like Zoom, why not try it in August.  We can have Show and Tell, and just find out how everyone is doing.  Talk is good, and cheap, lets act on it and not wait for September.

Mike Horn

 

 

From: pinelands@groups.io <pinelands@groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:14 PM
To: pinelands@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

 

I totally agree with you about in-person being better. But  I do not think that the churches are permitted to be open for the foreseeable  future. I know our church had planned an outdoor gathering for this week-end but the council later  voted to cancel it. Also our pastor has informed the 30 groups that meet at our facility that there will be no indoor meetings until February. You are so right about the impersonal nature of a screen but I think that may be the only way for now. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Hi All,

I understand there are problems. However, I wish more people would think about the advantages, and not so much on the problems. There are normally fewer than 20 members at a South Jersey meeting, usually 15 or 16. Pinelands does a little better, but not much. So in reality, both societies are dying a slow death. Hate to have to say it, but needs must. Sooner or later, a decision will have to be made.

On the question of real or virtual meetings, I come down firmly on the side of real. My greatest pleasure in these mtgs is  interacting with the other members, and I just don't get that through a computer screen.

Regards,

John

On 7/17/2020 10:42 AM, Bob and Sherron Davis via groups.io wrote:

For the reasons you mentioned I really don't think the societies will merge. So that leaves us with our two separate groups. I also don't think with the way this pandemic is heading that there will be any in-person gatherings until there is a vaccine. Bob and I are happy to do zoom with whomever wants to do it just to hold us together. The declining membership the last several years, due to age attrition and lack of young members, has put us at a disadvantage. Then we are hit with this terrible pandemic. I'm not sure if we could just meet together via zoom ,thus eliminating driving, time, etc.  As a friend of mine has said to me, " There is a beginning and an end to everything" but I like to be more optimistic and hope that somehow we can still see our friends and their beautiful orchids. Sherron

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie Hageman via groups.io <mdhageman1@...>
To: pinelands@groups.io
Sent: Fri, Jul 17, 2020 9:32 am
Subject: Re: [pinelands] Future Meetings

Good idea but slight problem. Everytime that we have had this discussion in the past, the stumbling blocks we ran into are day/time, and location.

“Merging” isn't really merging as so many members are in both societies and the few who are not have said that it's because of the day/time conflicts and/or distance. So the net result would be not really merging, but one club absorbing the other. At which point some members, who could not drive that far or make meetings at that particular time, would be left out, so the membership would really decrease. When offering the better church, up the street, as an option for our holiday dinner, several Pinelands’ members said, I’m not driving all the way down there.”

(Pinelands’ online Meetup group has 20 people interested, however IF any of them actually becomes a dues-paying member remains to be seen.)

Many members who have joined both societies have stated they enjoy the comradery of seeing everyone and the orchids, so they would lose half of that, with only one meeting to attend per month.

If it's only a temporary rejoining, both boards can agree to just pay half of the expenses, but if it's permanent we have the legal expense of dissolving one club and transferring funds. Since neither club is flush with cash, those fees may take all of one club’s balance, meaning that the other would not be gaining members nor money.

So the all-important question is, if we rejoined, when would our meeting time be? Do we cut out those who can't make Tuesday evening or Sunday afternoon? Or, would we maintain both clubs’ schedules, which, isn't really rejoining, and brings us back to the original problem of where can Pinelands meet?

We need clarity on what is really being proposed? First Tuesday meetings, third Sunday meetings, or both, or something else?

Thanks,

Marie

 

 

On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 08:01:11 PM EDT, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Jeanne.

John

On 7/16/2020 7:16 AM, Gerald Giles wrote:

Good solution John, we should give it a try. Jeanne Giles

 

On Jul 15, 2020, at 10:59 PM, John Rogan via groups.io <j.rogan131@...> wrote:



Hi All,

I think it's about time for Pinelands and South Jersey to rejoin the societies, at least temporarily, while the covid virus is still a concern. We could at least try it, anyway. And since South Jersey meets at a church, and the churches (I think) are allowed to operate, we could use that facility for the combined meetings. Anyone else think this might work?

John

On 7/15/2020 5:27 PM, Marie Hageman via groups.io wrote:

Hello all,

Just in case you are not aware of it, there is a virus going around and, our meeting place is closed to us, and all outsiders, with no date for reopening.

This presents an issue as our new year is about to start. Our first meeting is Sept 1st. (As Memorial Day is the second Monday of the month this year, postponing our meeting until the second week is counterproductive.) I have booked a speaker several months ago.

We have two choices:

1. Find another location, if we are comfortable with having physical meetings, or,

2. Going cyber.

Both have advantages, and disadvantages, of course, and neither is perfect. Rather than just vote blindly on which way to go, we first need to see if there is another location that would work. It may not even be a possibility, no matter what the majority’s preference.

Our group is rather small, so the distancing-thing is not a problem, but we need a kitchen, or drink service, and many tables, not only for plants, but the projector as well, and some chairs. Mostly we need to consider the cost. We couldn’t hold our only fundraiser last May, and our membership is dwindling, while speaker fees are increasing. So, the $150- 200./night fee, which I was finding when searching for our Holiday- dinner location, is prohibitive.

So, if anyone has any connections, or suggestions, please first call them to verify that they will be open to us, and get the price, then forward the info to me, or post it here for discussion.

Let’s see what we can do to get the fun going, again.

Hope to see you all, soon.

Marie