PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX


Leo Kaminski
 

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition
--
Leo Kaminski
leok2@...


Portland Shelter Forum
 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Candee Wilson
 

If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Danielle Elowe
 

From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 

We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Trena Sutton
 

 In addition to that information people need to be aware that they will be drug tested and will eventually have to go into treatment. I agree with this 100%. I’m addition  there will not be a place for couples as in the women’s dorm there will be women who are escaping domestic violence or sexual salt that would not feel comfortable with having men in the women’s area or women in the men’s area. Children are welcome and will stay with their same sex parent  if they are under a certain age. I was just told that they will not except RVs parked in the parking lot. This is a life-saving project.  Many plans are in the works as Time and $  are  available. Please feel free to correct any of the aforementioned statements as I am being told these items but that may have changed.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Jason Renaud
 

The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Trena Sutton
 

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Linda Witt <linda.witt@...>
 

The City of Amsterdam had tremendous success opening a Wapato-like facility on the outskirts of the city. They found in amazingly effective to provide distance from the easy availability of substances in the core city.

 

I don’t think Wapato has been written off. I just heard a city council candidate this week discount the argument that “it’s too far”. He said it’s one light rail station from easy connectedness.

 

Linda Witt

 

From: pdxshelterforum@groups.io <pdxshelterforum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Danielle Elowe
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 1:31 PM
To: pdxshelterforum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX

 

From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

 

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

 

-Danielle Elowe

 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:

If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.

Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332

On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

 

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:

last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

 

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 

We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:

·         post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 

·         email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....

·         reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum

·         use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.

thanks,
Tim McCormick 

Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

 

--

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Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative

Portland, Oregon 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


David Dickson
 

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com






Jan Radle Roberson
 

David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com






Dave Brook
 


This looks like a good idea for here. I'm a little concerned because I can't find anywhere how many people are living there now or have lived there (it's 2 years old). Even this January newspaper article reads more like a press release. 
 
 
Any thoughts?
 
- Dave Brook 


Trena Sutton
 

Your correct Linda Witt.  After Jordan bought  Wapato from the county or more accurately from Marty Kehoe after he bought it from the county he along with some other influential people was able to get TriMet to come close to Wapato.  Shuttles have also been mentioned. Helping Hands was not involved at that time but it was a stroke of luck that Jordan was able to connect with them. 

 There are a few people who love to criticize the project but they’re sitting in the cheap seats and putting an unrealistic negative spin on it. I got always found that following the money usually points out what their angle is. Some of these naysayers have 501(c)(3)‘s   or  belong to groups that promote themselves as nonprofits. If community money goes into  Bybee Lake Hope Center  then they may lose money that would have gone into their coffers. 

 The same naysayers promote it as a police depository of the homeless as well as City Hall doing the same. Since people can come in and walk right back out catch a bus back to their tent or crowded shelter so that argument is lame also. 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:33 PM Linda Witt <linda.witt@...> wrote:

The City of Amsterdam had tremendous success opening a Wapato-like facility on the outskirts of the city. They found in amazingly effective to provide distance from the easy availability of substances in the core city.

 

I don’t think Wapato has been written off. I just heard a city council candidate this week discount the argument that “it’s too far”. He said it’s one light rail station from easy connectedness.

 

Linda Witt

 

From: pdxshelterforum@groups.io <pdxshelterforum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Danielle Elowe
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 1:31 PM
To: pdxshelterforum@groups.io
Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX

 

From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

 

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

 

-Danielle Elowe

 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:

If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.

Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332

On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

 

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:

last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

 

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 

We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:

·         post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 

·         email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....

·         reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum

·         use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.

thanks,
Tim McCormick 

Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

 

--

Tim McCormick

Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative

Portland, Oregon 

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Trena Sutton
 

 It sounds promising to be certain but is  this based on me  Housing First Option? That concept  did not turn out as well for so many I was whatever made a person homeless in the first place is most likely there and in fact, has been exacerbated by being  chronically homeless. Until whatever it is that causes them to lose their home and go to the streets is addressed they will just go into a more traditional domicile such as an apartment  far too many continue the behaviors that caused problems in the first place and they ultimately lose their housing.  Only this time they have an addiction for cars on their record. This became quite apparent in the Utah model. They said they housed a very large percentage of the homeless which appears on the surface to be a successful program. When they take into account how many people lost that housing because  their issues were not addressed before going into traditional housing. If you take that into account the numbers they promoted or nothing less than “Fuzzy Math”.

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:41 PM Leo Kaminski <leok2@...> wrote:

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition
--
Leo Kaminski
leok2@...


Danielle Elowe
 

Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
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Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Trena Sutton
 

You have Valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and fu valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and for babies fur babies. Much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in job fair much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in jobs fairs  and those who could come in and Provide training in several areas. I watch the job market and I see the need for skilled workers and  not necessarily those with college degrees.  Apprenticeships are golden for our job market. 

 I have no doubt that Lake Bybee Hope Center (BLHC)  Will have growing pains but getting people off the streets and getting them help with their issues is paramount. When a person can wake up in the morning and shower and have clean clothes  they would be able to go down the hall to take a GED class or train and a apprenticeship program right there on the premises. 

 I am not thrilled with the fact that there will not be couples residency or RVs parking in the parking lot but I understand the reasons. 

 My sister has her masters degree in social work and works for a nonprofit that actually our good Stewart’s for the donations they get. She could get a different job at a different place and make much more money but She has a heart for where she is right now and I applaud you for the same.



On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Danielle Elowe
 

I love these ideas! I am a plumber by trade and would love to see and be a part of outreach between local pre-apprenticeship programs and projects like this, such as Oregon Tradeswomen and Construction Hope. So looking forward to continuing to work with all of you. I've no doubt we've got the skills and experience needed to get the job done.

Warmly,
Danielle Elowe
Rahab's Sisters

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:40 PM Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:
You have Valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and fu valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and for babies fur babies. Much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in job fair much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in jobs fairs  and those who could come in and Provide training in several areas. I watch the job market and I see the need for skilled workers and  not necessarily those with college degrees.  Apprenticeships are golden for our job market. 

 I have no doubt that Lake Bybee Hope Center (BLHC)  Will have growing pains but getting people off the streets and getting them help with their issues is paramount. When a person can wake up in the morning and shower and have clean clothes  they would be able to go down the hall to take a GED class or train and a apprenticeship program right there on the premises. 

 I am not thrilled with the fact that there will not be couples residency or RVs parking in the parking lot but I understand the reasons. 

 My sister has her masters degree in social work and works for a nonprofit that actually our good Stewart’s for the donations they get. She could get a different job at a different place and make much more money but She has a heart for where she is right now and I applaud you for the same.



On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com






Stephen Pettengill
 

Many of these projects are possible because the
zoning and code restrictions are not there.
Texas is famous for this, unlike here.

Imagine what we could do without so many  obstacles.
Stephen

    

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
I love these ideas! I am a plumber by trade and would love to see and be a part of outreach between local pre-apprenticeship programs and projects like this, such as Oregon Tradeswomen and Construction Hope. So looking forward to continuing to work with all of you. I've no doubt we've got the skills and experience needed to get the job done.

Warmly,
Danielle Elowe
Rahab's Sisters

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:40 PM Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:
You have Valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and fu valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and for babies fur babies. Much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in job fair much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in jobs fairs  and those who could come in and Provide training in several areas. I watch the job market and I see the need for skilled workers and  not necessarily those with college degrees.  Apprenticeships are golden for our job market. 

 I have no doubt that Lake Bybee Hope Center (BLHC)  Will have growing pains but getting people off the streets and getting them help with their issues is paramount. When a person can wake up in the morning and shower and have clean clothes  they would be able to go down the hall to take a GED class or train and a apprenticeship program right there on the premises. 

 I am not thrilled with the fact that there will not be couples residency or RVs parking in the parking lot but I understand the reasons. 

 My sister has her masters degree in social work and works for a nonprofit that actually our good Stewart’s for the donations they get. She could get a different job at a different place and make much more money but She has a heart for where she is right now and I applaud you for the same.



On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

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Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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Horticultural Therapist & Landscape Consultant 
7056 SW Vermont Ct.
Portland OR 97223


Andrew Olshin
 

Obstacles? Opportunities. 
Here are a few:
- visit Agape Village, talk with Pastor Huff about what could be done to expand capacity, “host” guest families for 6 weeks or so.  
- visit Hazelnut Grove and check out the vegetable gardens. What can you do to help the “grovers”.  
- Are you a plumber?  Can you help with a specific project At Cascadia Clusters - we are building three more mobile hygiene units



Thanks, 
Andy Olshin

On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Stephen Pettengill <foodsavant8@...> wrote:


Many of these projects are possible because the
zoning and code restrictions are not there.
Texas is famous for this, unlike here.

Imagine what we could do without so many  obstacles.
Stephen

    

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
I love these ideas! I am a plumber by trade and would love to see and be a part of outreach between local pre-apprenticeship programs and projects like this, such as Oregon Tradeswomen and Construction Hope. So looking forward to continuing to work with all of you. I've no doubt we've got the skills and experience needed to get the job done.

Warmly,
Danielle Elowe
Rahab's Sisters

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:40 PM Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:
You have Valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and fu valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and for babies fur babies. Much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in job fair much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in jobs fairs  and those who could come in and Provide training in several areas. I watch the job market and I see the need for skilled workers and  not necessarily those with college degrees.  Apprenticeships are golden for our job market. 

 I have no doubt that Lake Bybee Hope Center (BLHC)  Will have growing pains but getting people off the streets and getting them help with their issues is paramount. When a person can wake up in the morning and shower and have clean clothes  they would be able to go down the hall to take a GED class or train and a apprenticeship program right there on the premises. 

 I am not thrilled with the fact that there will not be couples residency or RVs parking in the parking lot but I understand the reasons. 

 My sister has her masters degree in social work and works for a nonprofit that actually our good Stewart’s for the donations they get. She could get a different job at a different place and make much more money but She has a heart for where she is right now and I applaud you for the same.



On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

--
Tim McCormick
Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


Virus-free. www.avast.com







--
Stephen Pettengill

Horticultural Therapist & Landscape Consultant 
7056 SW Vermont Ct.
Portland OR 97223


Dave Albertine
 

I have been very skeptical of the use of the Wapato site for many of the reasons that have been shared, especially regarding transportation and distance.  However, in listening closely to plans from Alan Evans and the Bybee Lakes Hope Center, I am convinced that this proposal has great merits and that the transportation issues can be overcome.  Alan Evans has a remarkable personal story and his Helping Hand organization give him great credibility.  Jordan Schnitzer’s generosity and willingness to support Bybee Lakes Hope Center is an opportunity that needs our support.  Yes, I am sure there will be many questions and issues that will need discussion and resolution.  The first one involves gaining the trust of those living outside to give this program a chance.  It is my understanding that residents will need referrals from social service agencies in order to qualify.  I am sure the program will not fit everyone, but it is  great start.  I encourage everyone to continue to listen with an open mind to one solution among many that we will need to help those in our community who are suffering with addiction, mental health issues and poverty on the street.  My hat’s off to Alan Evens and Jordan Schnitzer for their perseverance.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:

Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
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We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
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thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

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Andy Olshin is doing great work and making things happen in a practical way.  If you can help and support his work at  Cascadia Clusters, I highly recommend it.



On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Andrew Olshin <Andrew.Olshin@...> wrote:

Obstacles? Opportunities. 
Here are a few:
- visit Agape Village, talk with Pastor Huff about what could be done to expand capacity, “host” guest families for 6 weeks or so.  
- visit Hazelnut Grove and check out the vegetable gardens. What can you do to help the “grovers”.  
- Are you a plumber?  Can you help with a specific project At Cascadia Clusters - we are building three more mobile hygiene units



Thanks, 
Andy Olshin

On Jul 5, 2020, at 8:13 PM, Stephen Pettengill <foodsavant8@...> wrote:


Many of these projects are possible because the
zoning and code restrictions are not there.
Texas is famous for this, unlike here.

Imagine what we could do without so many  obstacles.
Stephen

    

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 6:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
I love these ideas! I am a plumber by trade and would love to see and be a part of outreach between local pre-apprenticeship programs and projects like this, such as Oregon Tradeswomen and Construction Hope. So looking forward to continuing to work with all of you. I've no doubt we've got the skills and experience needed to get the job done.

Warmly,
Danielle Elowe
Rahab's Sisters

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 5:40 PM Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:
You have Valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and fu valid points Danielle. I live in Northeast Portland and it takes me an hour and a half to get over to Milwaukie which is my former stomping grounds and I have many friends and for babies fur babies. Much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in job fair much discussion has been done over bringing potential employers in jobs fairs  and those who could come in and Provide training in several areas. I watch the job market and I see the need for skilled workers and  not necessarily those with college degrees.  Apprenticeships are golden for our job market. 

 I have no doubt that Lake Bybee Hope Center (BLHC)  Will have growing pains but getting people off the streets and getting them help with their issues is paramount. When a person can wake up in the morning and shower and have clean clothes  they would be able to go down the hall to take a GED class or train and a apprenticeship program right there on the premises. 

 I am not thrilled with the fact that there will not be couples residency or RVs parking in the parking lot but I understand the reasons. 

 My sister has her masters degree in social work and works for a nonprofit that actually our good Stewart’s for the donations they get. She could get a different job at a different place and make much more money but She has a heart for where she is right now and I applaud you for the same.



On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 5:20 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
Very much enjoying this discussion! 

The use of Wapato as a treatment and detox facility seems reasonable enough, provided that we have adequate outpatient transitional housing closer-in. However, in looking at transit maps, the facility is around 1.75 hours from downtown on transit, which includes a preliminary 25 minute bike ride to catch a bus to light rail. This still seems inaccessible, particularly if the intent of this project is as a transitional houseless shelter.

In terms of the build-it-and-they-will-come conversation, I'm curious what would incentivize entrepreneurs to create jobs in that particular, remote, industrial area. The jobs are still going to be in town, potentially where their old haunts, their old dealers, and their old influences reside. What is this project's plan to support people in that phase of recovery and rebuilding?

Lastly, addressing Trena's mistrust in non-profits, I do echo those concerns. Non-profits can and often do hoard wealth while utilizing low-wage labor. But as one of three paid employees at a micro hyper-localized non-profit making just above poverty wages despite my training in a much more lucrative field, I'll be the first to say that I'd love to see the need for this work and my position in it completely eradicated. Our coffers are virtually non-existent. My personal experience doesn't erase countless other organizations' interest, but it's not a unanimous one.

Thank you all for this discourse, and I'm going to continue to push for these decisions to be made by and for the people they directly affect. I hope we can all agree to do the same.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 3:43 PM Jan Radle Roberson <janr2@...> wrote:
David and Trena, I agree.  I have done a lot of oureach and now my PhD research focuses on unhoused women and unsafe urban space.  I was blessed tp hear and document their stories.  There is not a single solution here. Bybee provides one snd I support it.   But other solutions are needed also.  There is such a breakdown in our service delivery and network here in Portland.   

Jan


On Jul 5, 2020, at 3:34 PM, David Dickson <dicksondavidk@...> wrote:

I’m with Trena on this, but I’m also with anyone who is out there doing something to address the homelessness crisis.  The problem is big enough for many ideas.  One unique aspect of Bybee Lakes is that it does not involve tax dollars.  Maybe it’s a good thing the county rejected it and we have an opportunity to see how it works at no cost to the taxpayer.  While one person might look at the lack of “services” at the Bybee Lakes location as a negative, another person might see it differently…that the lack of services will bring bring services and jobs to the location.  If you build it, they will come.  And the drug free policy might be a blessing to many who are struggling to get clean and need an environment which supports their effort.

On Jul 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Trena Sutton <thegirlsok@...> wrote:

Jason Renault  that was the assessment of the state and county because they wanted someone to buy it does it and put up warehouses so they could get the tax revenues put in the coffers. I don’t remember seeing you with any of the meetings in dealing with this “Rich White Man”.  Jordan is a kind and very decent man. His family has a legacy of  philanthropic projects that have benefited people for many, many years. Helping Hands is a proven solution, they have been very successful in opening up seven homeless shelters on the coast. 

Match Resourse has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran it for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally much research has gone into this project and people have been very generous, not only with their money but their talents. You sound like that city commissioner who opened her mouth without knowing all the facts. If the county had ran out for any purpose I would not have supported it in anyway because they screwed up royally  in building Wapato. It was built as a medium security jail but of course never opened. I seen the architectural renderings and they are fantastic. I’m not going to slam you in anyway because you’re entitled to your rate on this and I’ve had to deal with other short  minded people who laughingly call themselves “Advocates”, They are no such damn thing.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 2:30 PM Jason Renaud <info@...> wrote:
The state and mental & addiction health advocates looked at Wapato pretty carefully in 2002 for conversion to a new state hospital - this prior to the total rehab of the state hospital in Salem. The wide consensus agreement was Wapato is fundamentally a jail and there was no way to convert it - outside of demolition and a total rebuild. With consensus state facilities crossed it off from any future development planning. Their thought was with some minor adjustments it could be converted to a state or Federal prison. 

Since then there have been dozens of various attempts to restart this idea, but all have failed a variety of tests laid out by thoughtful knowledgeable people -  distance, capital cost, operations costs, amenities, services, aesthetics. Danielle's is right, also include the county, the city, addiction recovery community, the mental health treatment community, and pretty much any homeless service provided not funded by Jordan Schnitzer. They've all opposed - or would oppose if a proposal were real and not smoke. This is a rich man who bought a white elephant and to fix Martin v Boise by demanding public funding for a terrible idea. He's probably spent more money demanding public funds than he paid for the property. Trumpian, at best. 

There are straightforward solutions to reduce the amount of time various people spend homeless. They require blended funding from the Fed, states and counties, and private philanthropy, none of which make reducing homelessness a priority. People who are homeless and unsheltered don't vote and don't make political contributions. Example - the jacked Metro Bond future dollars are already being channeled toward rent relief & "affordable housing" and not services & shelter for the unsheltered. But Wapato is not a solution. 

Just say no to Wapato. 

Jason Renaud

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 1:32 PM Danielle Elowe <danielle@...> wrote:
From what I've read and heard directly from unsheltered folks, the houseless community has not so far responded favorably to the utilization of the Wapato Jail site for reasons that seem obvious. 1) It's a jail, and regardless of facelifts that fact will remain triggering to many 2) More pragmatically, it is super far away from City Center. While they can promise to be self-sufficient in regards to medical and social services, it still smells of something carceral - the message reads We'll ship you way out here until you're ready to rejoin all of us in civilised society.

I'm not discounting it's potential usefulness entirely, but I think a ton more community input is needed, not from the city or from non-profits, but from those directly affected. That's my two cents.

-Danielle Elowe

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020, 12:22 PM Candee Wilson <candee@...> wrote:
If you aren't familiar with Alan Evans and Bybee Lakes Hope Center, this is what he wants to do with the 18+ acres at the former Wapato jail. He envisions building apartments in addition to the center for people to transition to after treatment. He also plans to use the built-in work environment surrounding the center to help find employment opportunities. This is happening right here in Portland, so ,yes, there are visionaries in our midst. And instead of just serving 200 people, it will serve over 500 eventually. We have a model to follow right here.
Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209
503-789-0332
On 7/4/2020 6:49 PM, Portland Shelter Forum wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Leo Kaminski <leok2@...>
Date: Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: PDX Shelter Forum - Check out Community First! Village in Austin TX
To: PDX Shelter Forum <pdxshelterforum@...>

Hello PDX Shelter Forum,

I encourage all to learn what has been done to address homelessness in other cities.  One of the best examples is Community First! Village.

Community First! Village in Austin, Texas: https://mlf.org/community-first/

This community is founded and run by Mobile Loaves and Fishes: https://mlf.org/

Community First! Village - YouTube video (one of many): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc0HaWUHCO8

We need action now!  But locally, we should build on the efforts that have already been made by others here in Portland.  A lot of effort has already gone into identifying sites for villages.

Village Coalition is one group that has already done a lot of talking with the city and other agencies: https://cityrepair.org/village-coalition

Leo Kaminski
leok2@...

On 7/3/2020 3:29 PM, Tim McCormick wrote:
last Thursday we convened an online event, Portland Forum on Alternative Shelter & Villages, co-hosted by Interfaith Alliance on Poverty and Northeast Coalition of Neighborhoods. We had 180+ attendees from a all walks of life, including housed and unhoused, officials and city/county staffers, neighborhood association leaders, planners, architects, and homelessness service providers.

A wide range of ideas of ideas were discussed, from possibilities under emerging City and State codes, to the Metro homeless services measure funding, to mobile and vehicle dwellings. The core question: what can we do to ensure every Portland has a safe, decent place to sleep, NOW?

The materials from event including presentations, video and audio, notes, and background materials, are now available, and we invite you to take a look, and share with us or to the initiative's mailing list your thoughts and suggestions. 
PDXshelterforum.jpg
We welcome your ongoing input and feedback, suggestions for projects or future events: You can:
  • post to the mailing list by emailing to pdshelterforum@groups.io. (if you're not yet a member, message will be held for moderation, & you can join here). 
  • email the planning team at: pdxshelterforum@....
  • reach us on Twitter at @pdxshelterforum
  • use hashtag #pdxshelterforum when posting anything related or to track other related.
thanks,
Tim McCormick 
Portland Forum on Alternative Shelters & Villages Planning Team

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Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative
Portland, Oregon 


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