Re: Managed Camping Pilot Project on City Property: How To Get Approval?

Trena Sutton

Is there any pushback from the housed peeps on the other side of the Cul De Sac? A neighborhood’s approval could go far

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:39 PM Rick Birkel <RBirkel@...> wrote:
All infrastructure including electric about 300k

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Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] Managed Camping Pilot Project on City Property: How To Get Approval?
How problematic would it be to put in a sewer and hook it up to the main sewer line? During these financially trying times the faith based community is hurting also but what about a coalition of many faiths to tackle this?

The bean counters need to crunch the numbers to see how much it’s costing the tax payers to keep people on the streets.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:14 PM Rick Birkel <RBirkel@...> wrote:
We have tried for years to find funding for the Grotto Village- the plan was developed 2 years ago

Rick Birkel

On Jul 10, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Trena Sutton via <> wrote:

Oh so the City caved on the creek issue? That’s great! I would have loved to know that. I kept asking Todd if this was moving along or was the City still trying to block it. Thanks Rick for eventually advising me. Father Rick st the Grotto first advised our group about the possibility but then he decided to retire.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:54 PM Rick Birkel <RBirkel@...> wrote:
Actually Trena, the Grotto site was approved for a Kenton style village- but will require sewer 

Rick Birkel

On Jul 10, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Trena Sutton via <> wrote:

The City has allowed Sanctioned camps  or a variation before. Right to Dream Too  it’s still up and running. There’s also a camp in North Portland that still going but has been problematic. The section to camp called forgotten realms which was  nothing but a haven for criminals. Drug dealing, stabbings, prostitution, shootings and domestic violence. The city provided ports potties but an explosion of a Coleman stove ended that as it set a home on fire. 
There was a sanctioned camp on SE Reedway in which the City provided a porta potty and a dumpster. It was working until people began getting sick. As it turned out the land was found to be toxic (Lead and Cancer causing Hydrocarbons). The City had a EPA study done a few years before the sanctioned camp that was commissioned by Nick Fish. The City knew the land was poison but allowed a Sanctioned camp on the land! 

The Grotto has a very large amount of land behind the sanctuary. They were discussing having a camp on Church owned land but the City said a small creek on the land flowed onto public PBOT land and therefore blocked it.

The City is not enthusiastic about camps and I agree tent living is not conducive with a healthy life.

Sanctioned camps are not the way to go. 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 8:23 PM Linda Witt <linda.witt@...> wrote:

Gosh, the sanctioned camping as described on the Maddie’s Cart site seems like a very low-cost and humane solution, ready to test. Why is it taking so long to get a couple of pilot sites approved, given the urgent need?


Linda Witt


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Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 2:16 PM
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Subject: [pdxshelterforum] Managed Camping Pilot Project on City Property: How To Get Approval?



Aisha & PDX Shelter Forum:


In response to Aisha’s question on finding “sanctioned camping sites” Maddie’s Cart/ Madeleine School proposes nonprofit run “managed camping”; what we call a “Micro Landing” for temporary homeless shelter.  See Maddie’s Cart info and our proposal at:


Maddie’s Cart has been pushing the City for 18 months to allow “sanctioned camping”   on authorized city property. We discussed  our proposal this week with Portland City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty and have talked (up to March) with the Mayor’s office and Seraphie Allen (homeless staff coordinator).  We have identified two city owned parcels as shown below that would work for a pilot 90 day evaluation project.  This is not long term shelter, it is not a panacea for the homeless and our proposal is not cast in concrete. We need to start someplace with alternative shelter models and figure out what works and what doesn’t.


We welcome PDX Shelter support and have been working with Sean Green of the forum in discussions with the City.  We need the Mayor’s office and Commissioner Eudaly to support a pilot project at one of these identified city (PBOT) owned sites (or a site the City prefers). The need is particularly urgent now with Covid and the City’s decision to start sweeping unsanctioned camp sites of eight or more structures not following city hygiene guidelines. (see:



Will Denecke


Summer Lake LLC









Option #1:  Pilot Site:(approximately 1800 SE Lafayette St.) 




City of Portland right of way parcel (with Red Dot).  Total Parcel area: approximately 3,000 sf




Note: The above site abuts the UP railroad right of way and a PGE parcel is to the west.  It is public property and is part of the public right of way at the end of SE Lafayette where it dead ends into the railroad right of way. The site is just south of a pedestrian bridge across the rail road tracks, is fenced on three sides and three blocks from a light rail stop.  It is reasonably flat with two thirds of the parcel paved or having a rock base.


Option #2:   Pilot Site:  (1988 SE 3RD AVE, Portland)


City of Portland  (PBOT) Empty Lot on SE Third &Division

Total Parcel Area:     0.42 acres (18,334 sq ft) 




Google “street view” of empty PBOT lot below.






From: [] On Behalf Of Aisha Musa
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] Portland to resume homeless camp sweeps/cleanups


I know that Kaia Sand and others from Street Roots are involved. I am not on the Sanctioned Camps workgroup, so I am not aware of who all else is involved. If you contact the OTCA board chair, Helen Ying, she can give you more information.

Dr. Aisha Y. Musa

AYM Education and Consulting, LLC









On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:04 PM Mitchell Bender <mitchell.bender@...> wrote:

Hi Aisha,


Do you happen to know which agencies and advocates are involved with OTCA's effort who have intimate knowledge and/or experience with these issues?



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Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] Portland to resume homeless camp sweeps/cleanups


The Old Town Community Association (OTCA)'s Covid-19 Response Action Team (RAT) has a group working on sanctioned camps, looking for potential locations and ways to get people from the sidewalks to safer locations.

Dr. Aisha Y. Musa

AYM Education and Consulting, LLC









On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM Marissa Donovan <marissa.donovan@...> wrote:

That's very well said Candee.

Is there any way we can start pushing for legal camp spots for our houseless community?  I'm definitely willing to be involved in that process.


Marissa Donovan, CRM PSS

Peer Support Specialist

Central City Concern Recovery Center

P:503-935-7200 F: 503 295 3777


From: <> on behalf of Candee Wilson via <>
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [pdxshelterforum] Portland to resume homeless camp sweeps/cleanups


Don't know if this is how to respond, but I don't know another way.

Sweeps are a double-edged sword. On one hand, they are disruptive to someone whose only home is a tent. On the other hand, tent camping on sidewalks is a violation of a city ordinance. Until the city/county/state begin providing a place where tent campers can safely place a tent, sweeps will continue because the campers won't move unless they are forced to. I do not object to sidewalk camps being swept. They are not supposed to be there in the first place. I think it's wrong to sweep those that have set up a tent in out-of-the-way, inconspicuous places where they aren't bothering anyone for lack of having an alternative place to go that wouldn't be swept. There should be legal camping spots throughout the city/county/state. The homeless have a way of creating communities and policing themselves if left to their own devices. Of course, those with mental health and addiction issues present an entirely different set of problems. They tend to be outcasts in both the homeless community and the general community at large. Thank the ACLU for giving them so many rights that even when people want to help them, they can't.

Until the city/county/state come to terms with the fact that they cannot build their way out of the homeless crisis anytime soon, either through affordable housing, supportive housing or shelters, we will continue to have this discussion.

Candee Wilson
411 NW Flanders St. #406
Portland, OR  97209

On 7/9/2020 12:06 AM, Tim McCormick wrote:

The City of Portland is officially resuming 'sweeps', or 'cleanups,' of homeless camps, focusing on those with 8 or more structures, blocking sidewalks or entrances, or with reports of criminal behavior or conspicuous drug use.

WW article:

Notice from Office of Management and Finance, Homelessness and Urban Camping Impact Reduction Program (HUCIRP), posted late last month:


Note, the term 'sweeps' is generally used by opponents of these practices, while officials in Portland say 'cleanups.' 'Cleanups' is fairly well-defined, as the city's current practices; 'sweeps' is less so -- for example, does it imply that campers are not offered alternative acceptable shelter, or assistance in moving belongings? or that they would risk arrest for not complying? Could there be some form of, say, 'relocation' of campers that is not a sweep?

We realize this is a very polarizing, conflicted, and complex situation. Please give us, especially, considered thoughts on this situation. If you are opposed to 'sweeps' or 'cleanups,' tell us what you might propose as alternative, or how else to address concerns of officials and people who support them.

If you support them, tell us why you think others don't, and how their concerns might be addressed. 

Note, we had staffers from HUCIRP, representatives from Downtown and N. Portland neighborhood associations who've particularly raised concerns on this, and organizers from Stop the Sweeps PDX coalition, at the PDX Shelter Forum the other week. We particularly invite comments from them, and thank them for coming together in this discussion.  



Tim McCormick

Editor at HousingWiki, Organizer at Village Collaborative

Portland, Oregon 





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