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Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

John Ferguson
 

Hola Mario,

las velocidades son

para trazas 20 (IPM) pulgado por minuto XY,  10 pulgado por minuto in Z

        cortar 8 (IPM) pulgado por minuto XY, 6 pulgado por minuto in Z

        todos 24,000 RPM

bueno suerte con eso.

john

No Aprendi esas palabras in escuela hace 60 anos ahora.


On 12/26/19 4:29 AM, mariob_1960 via Groups.Io wrote:
John, ¿qué velocidad de alimentación utilizas para las trazas y para cortar?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

mariob_1960@...
 

John, ¿qué velocidad de alimentación utilizas para las trazas y para cortar?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

John Ferguson
 

EM3E8-0100-15V 0.0100in. (0.254mm) tip dia., 3-flute 15° tapered stub trace-isolation bit, 0.020 in. DOC, 1.42 in. (36mm) OAL

This is what I use for routing traces on my 6040.  I get them from Precise Bits in Colorado.

I run them at 24000 rpm and get really nice results.  As I said, I use a different bit for cutting out the perimeters.


John

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Stephen Muscato
 

We used TULON 3/32"  P/N 44093803 when I was employed.



Similar to these, just the end was different.  "Fish Point" is what we called them.

Steve


On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 4:00:34 PM CST, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:


Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

John Ferguson
 

Later.  john

On 12/23/19 2:19 PM, Terry Gray wrote:
John, could you send me the details?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Terry Gray
 

Thanks all!  Appreciate the quick responses.

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Terry Gray
 

John, could you send me the details?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Dan.Staver
 

Sorry, I missed that fact :-)

I use precisebits.com router bits for routing perimeters and internal channels. https://www.precisebits.com/


Dan Staver
Tave Tech Corp.
3130 Hollycrest Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80920
+1-719-359-5352 - office
+1-719-502-1675 - cell
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On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:13 PM, keith3125 via Groups.Io <kc1of36@...> wrote:


He was asking about cutting the perimeter.

On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:08:44 PM EST, Dan.Staver <dan.staver@...> wrote:


I use the largest size bit I can while keeping it 2-3 mils smaller than the smallest gap between traces.

Dan Staver
Tave Tech Corp.
3130 Hollycrest Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80920
+1-719-359-5352 - office
+1-719-502-1675 - cell
tavetech - Skype
dan.staver@...
www.tavetech.com
W3QDO

On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:05 PM, keith3125 via Groups.Io <kc1of36@...> wrote:


On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:00:35 PM EST, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:


Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

the perimeter cutter question #mill

John Ferguson
 

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: the perimeter cutter question
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 23:19:29 -0500
From: john <jferg977@...>
To: pcbgcode@groups.io



Oops,'

There is a photo of an earlier incarnation of my pcb etching setup attached to my first post. It shows the first shot at the idea which was MDF, not HDPE.  the current version is, indeed HDPE, but I haven't taken any photos of it yet.

john

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

John Ferguson
 

This is what I use for the permiterw,


Amana Tool 51515 SC Spiral 'O' Single Flute, Plastic Cutting 1/16 D x
1/4 CH x 1/8 SHK x 2 Inch Long Down-Cut CNC Router Bit with Mirror Finish

I use pcbcode for the traces and a 15 degree etcher (name if anyone is interested), and SheetCam for the perimeter. Sheetcam has a function for lifting the cutter at intervals as it cuts to form tabs. One can cut the tabs off after the perimeter is cut using a razor blade.

All of my boards are same size (2x3). I have an aluminum fixture to drill the holes in the corners, and an HDPE  fixture which bolts to my 6040 CNC router.  The HDPE fixture is drilled to align with the corner holes in the PCB board and I hold it down with 4 nylon 6-32 socket head cap screws.

I face off the top of the HDPE fixture with a one inch fly cutter to level the surface.  When I'm doing boards, there is usually a sequence as I home in on something which will work so I only need to do the facing once.  But I do have to do it every time I take the fixture off the router bed and need to replace it.

If anyone is interested I can send the full details of this setup.

john

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Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

mariob_1960@...
 
Edited

0.0625 inches equals 1.6mm, I'm going to try, I usually use 2mm.

Vaughn, are you using vacuum table?

I am close to finishing my smart vacuum table version, for low cost, high vacuum and low flow vacuum pump, I am using a refrigerator / fridge motir, which allows pcb milling even after drilling.

I hope to be successful, it is still necessary for you to be practical and useful

Here a video showing first tests
https://youtu.be/GKixnoCBAQA

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Vaughn
 

Hi Gerry, I use V point mills. 60 Degree normally, but there are also 30 and 15 degree I think. After milling the board, my mill, mills a border. This I then follow to cut the board to size. If I mill the surround, all the way through, the board will become detached from the mill bed, so making is unstable, unless you stick it to the bed all over?

Once milled and cut I can then clean up if needed with a file.

Hope this helps Vaughn

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 22:00, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:
Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?



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Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

keith3125
 

He was asking about cutting the perimeter.

On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:08:44 PM EST, Dan.Staver <dan.staver@...> wrote:


I use the largest size bit I can while keeping it 2-3 mils smaller than the smallest gap between traces.

Dan Staver
Tave Tech Corp.
3130 Hollycrest Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80920
+1-719-359-5352 - office
+1-719-502-1675 - cell
tavetech - Skype
dan.staver@...
www.tavetech.com
W3QDO

On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:05 PM, keith3125 via Groups.Io <kc1of36@...> wrote:


On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:00:35 PM EST, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:


Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Dan.Staver
 

I use the largest size bit I can while keeping it 2-3 mils smaller than the smallest gap between traces.

Dan Staver
Tave Tech Corp.
3130 Hollycrest Dr.
Colorado Springs, CO 80920
+1-719-359-5352 - office
+1-719-502-1675 - cell
tavetech - Skype
dan.staver@...
www.tavetech.com
W3QDO

On Dec 22, 2019, at 3:05 PM, keith3125 via Groups.Io <kc1of36@...> wrote:


On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:00:35 PM EST, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:


Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

Re: Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

keith3125
 

On Sunday, December 22, 2019, 05:00:35 PM EST, Terry Gray <twgray2007@...> wrote:


Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

Best size end mill for milling perimeter of PCB? #mill

Terry Gray
 

Maybe a bit off topic but can someone recommend the best size and type of end mill for milling out the perimeter of a PCB?

Re: PCB - GCODE ICAN'T OPEN-PERMISSION DENIED #eagle #gcode

med2004@...
 

put pcb-gcode in the documents folder and follow the instructions when you open the script.

Viewer on Mac #pcbgcode

Gregory Wood <greg@...>
 

Is anyone able to run the viewer on Mojave?

This is what I get if I try to run it by hand.

MacBook-Pro:~ greg$ ~/Documents/EAGLE/ulps/pcb-gcode/viewer/application.macosx/viewer.app/Contents/MacOS/JavaApplicationStub

[JavaAppLauncher] Requested [1.5*], launching in [1.6] instead.

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.200.3/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.200.3/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.200.3/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.200.3/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

2019-11-10 20:11:23.096 JavaApplicationStub[4679:856742] *** Assertion failure in -[CocoaAppWindow _changeJustMain], /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppKit/AppKit-1671.60.107/AppKit.subproj/NSWindow.m:12742

2019-11-10 20:11:23.096 JavaApplicationStub[4679:856742] *** CPerformer: ignoring exception 'Invalid parameter not satisfying: [self canBecomeMainWindow]' raised during perform of selector 'requestFocus:' on target 'FocusManager' with args '<AWTComponentSetFocusData: 0x23b840>'

dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: _CGContextSetAllowsAcceleration

  Referenced from: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_65-b14-462.jdk/Contents/Libraries/libawt.jnilib

  Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices

 

dyld: Symbol not found: _CGContextSetAllowsAcceleration

  Referenced from: /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0_65-b14-462.jdk/Contents/Libraries/libawt.jnilib

  Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Versions/A/ApplicationServices

Where's my dunce cap #eagle

Art Eckstein
 

Hey gang,
Many long time readers will know I have been around here for quite some time and have been using Eagle and Pcb-gcode to make my boards. For years I have muddled through and made my projects but have always had problems when using copper pours and getting a clearance between various traces etc.
This week, I have a project that is a small board ~.5"x.75" and could not for the life of me get it to "etch". About 50% of the time, it refused to mill out the isolation and yet, make small lines in some fairly close places.
Bottom line after several days of surfing, stumbled across a blog on the net that advised changing the isolation value of the pour. The process to do this is to <right click> on either the polygon or the pour itself if you have ratnested it and this will bring up a dialogue box.
About 2/3 way down, there is an "Isolate" box. By default, this is 0. Change this to a suitable value for your system (I use 12mil). Click apply and you will instantly see the difference. Then click "OK" and your ready to run your ulp or whatever.

Hope this helps somebody else.

I still need that dunce cap as I should have figured this out years ago!

Art
Country Bubba

Re: #GCODE #gcode

mariob_1960@...
 

I am not a programmer, however I can try something, some conplements I have contributed to bcnc, in which file should I look, if you can indicate me?
Is it written in what language, C ++?