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Re: How to cut out pcb

Eric
 

Thanks, Keith. I'll know for next time.

73....Eric VK2VE.

-- Original Message --
To: <pcb-gcode@...>
From: "kcress1x@... [pcb-gcode]" <pcb-gcode@...>
Date: 26 Aug 2014 17:05:18 -0700
Subject: [pcb-gcode] Re: How to cut out pcb
Reply-To: pcb-gcode@...


"You could
also drill a line of small holes through the bridges to make breaking them
off easier."

Commonly called "rat-bites"

:)
---Keith Cress---

Re: How to cut out pcb

kcress1x@sbcglobal.net
 

"You could
also drill a line of small holes through the bridges to make breaking them
off easier.
"

Commonly called "rat-bites"

:)
---Keith Cress---

Re: How to cut out pcb

Eric
 

Hi Alex,

one other thing to remember when you do your outline on the milling layer
is not to make the outline continuous but to break it up with small gaps
so there will be small bridges left so that the PCB will be held in place
during the milling and not skew and cut into the wanted part of the board.
you can then just cut or break off the board from its surround. You could
also drill a line of small holes through the bridges to make breaking them
off easier.

Regards....Eric VK2VE.

-- Original Message --
To: "pcb-gcode@..." <pcb-gcode@...>
From: "KC kc1of36@... [pcb-gcode]" <pcb-gcode@...>
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 05:47:43 -0700
Subject: [pcb-gcode] Re: How to cut out pcb
Reply-To: pcb-gcode@...


You have to do the outline on the 'milling layer' not where you have it.
It will generate a mill Top (MT) and MillBottom (MB) File.
I like to use a line width the same as my end mill I use to cut it out (usually
a 1/16" line thickness for a 1/16" mill end).
I like these for de-paneling:
Chip-breaker Routers

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or if I really want a smooth wall these:
Diamond-cut Routers

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? ? ? ? ? ?
Diamond-cut Routers
US$50 Minimum Order ????Sales Items???? ?????????Only????????? Item?# Description
Unit Price Depth Ring Enter Qty. Enter the desired quantity (Enter Qty)
then
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?

-Keith

Re: How to cut out pcb

Christopher Leveck
 

That does it, I'm moving to Mach 3 and buying some real bits.....
C

On Aug 26, 2014 6:22 AM, "Art Eckstein art.eckstein@... [pcb-gcode]" <pcb-gcode@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
> Alex,
> I put my outlines that I want to cut on the Milling layer (layer 46)
>
> Hope this helps
> Art
> Country Bubba
>
>
> At 08:39 AM 8/26/2014, you wrote:
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been trying to cut out a pcb but with no success. In pcb-gcode-setup I choose Generate milling but when I take the file to the machine nothing happens. (The shape of the board is in Dimensions layer)
>>
>> Am I doing something wrong ?
>>
>> Any help is appreciated
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>

Re: How to cut out pcb

Ward Elder
 

As Jeff Birt says in Mach3 you can write an M6 macro to so whatever you want.  In the past I had a macro that would stop the spindle then move to a “tool change” location.  Now with a tool changer my macro has “evolved” into a “tool change/tool measure/resume” milling macro.  As I don’t use (or like) tool length tables I like my “tool measure” macro.  Very cool.

 

 

 

Thank you,

 

Ward Elder

Eldersoft

(204) 791-7754

 

From: pcb-gcode@... [mailto:pcb-gcode@...]
Sent: August-26-14 8:17 AM
To: pcb-gcode@...
Subject: RE: [pcb-gcode] Re: How to cut out pcb

 

 

Whether you have an automatic tool changer or not you have to have an M6 in there so your machine controller knows a tool change will happen. What your machines controller does with an M6 is up to the controller. For example on Mach 3 you can tell it to ignore tool changes, you can stick with the stock M6 macros that just stop the spindle and wait for you to press START, or you can write you own custom M6 macros to do whatever you want.

 

Jeff Birt

Soigeneris.com

 

From: pcb-gcode@... [mailto:pcb-gcode@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:06 AM
To: pcb-gcode@...
Subject: [pcb-gcode] Re: How to cut out pcb

 

 

Wow. Thanks alot !!! It works perfectly :)

Something else I noticed (not on topic) is that the gcode created for drilling asumes the cnc has auto-tool-change and writes M06. Shouldn't there be a checkbox for that ?

Re: How to cut out pcb

jeff.birt
 

Whether you have an automatic tool changer or not you have to have an M6 in there so your machine controller knows a tool change will happen. What your machines controller does with an M6 is up to the controller. For example on Mach 3 you can tell it to ignore tool changes, you can stick with the stock M6 macros that just stop the spindle and wait for you to press START, or you can write you own custom M6 macros to do whatever you want.

 

Jeff Birt

Soigeneris.com

 

From: pcb-gcode@... [mailto:pcb-gcode@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:06 AM
To: pcb-gcode@...
Subject: [pcb-gcode] Re: How to cut out pcb

 

 

Wow. Thanks alot !!! It works perfectly :)

Something else I noticed (not on topic) is that the gcode created for drilling asumes the cnc has auto-tool-change and writes M06. Shouldn't there be a checkbox for that ?

Re: How to cut out pcb

Art Eckstein
 

Alex,
I put my outlines that I want to cut on the Milling layer (layer 46)

Hope this helps
Art
Country Bubba


At 08:39 AM 8/26/2014, you wrote:


Hi,

I have been trying to cut out a pcb but with no success. In pcb-gcode-setup I choose Generate milling but when I take the file to the machine nothing happens. (The shape of the board is in Dimensions layer)

Am I doing something wrong ?

Any help is appreciated


Thanks in advance,

Alex


Re: How to cut out pcb

Alex P.
 

Wow. Thanks alot !!! It works perfectly :)
Something else I noticed (not on topic) is that the gcode created for drilling asumes the cnc has auto-tool-change and writes M06. Shouldn't there be a checkbox for that ?

Re: How to cut out pcb

keith3125
 

You have to do the outline on the 'milling layer' not where you have it. It will generate a mill Top (MT) and MillBottom (MB) File.
I like to use a line width the same as my end mill I use to cut it out (usually a 1/16" line thickness for a 1/16" mill end).
I like these for de-paneling:
 
 
image
 
 
 
 
 
Chip-breaker Routers
US$50 Minimum Order     Sales Items              Only          Item # Description Unit Price Depth Ring Enter Qty. Enter the desired quantity (Enter Qty) then click...
Preview by Yahoo
 
or if I really want a smooth wall these:

-Keith

How to cut out pcb

Alex P.
 

Hi,

I have been trying to cut out a pcb but with no success. In pcb-gcode-setup I choose Generate milling but when I take the file to the machine nothing happens. (The shape of the board is in Dimensions layer)

Am I doing something wrong ?

Any help is appreciated


Thanks in advance,

Alex

Re: when can I start posting msges?

Art Eckstein
 

Not to be facetious, but you have started.

When the mods see that your posting on topic, you will be removed from moderation (because of time difference, may look like a day or so delay)

Art
country bubba
Moderator



At 04:54 AM 8/25/2014, you wrote:




when can I start posting msges?

lok pok
 

Re: X Axis Origin Shift During Milling

Ashraf Gerges
 


Alastair

I second this, I tried to reduce the motor tuning parameters, but I did not get a good result, the next thing I may try is to replace the 10 A PS with 15 or 20 A..


On Saturday, 26 July 2014, 15:12, "'C. Alastair Seggie' alastairseggie@... [pcb-gcode]" wrote:


 
Ashsraf

this is not perhaps lost steps Due to running the drive to fast not enough current to the steppers etc?
 
Regards
Alastair


From: "Ashraf Gerges ashraph66@... [pcb-gcode]"
To: "pcb-gcode@..." <pcb-gcode@...>
Sent: Saturday, 26 July 2014, 11:10
Subject: Re: [pcb-gcode] X Axis Origin Shift During Milling

 
I have the same problem with Chinese board TB6560, when I do engrave jobs with high RPM the X axis at the end of the job lose about 1mm of it's zero position, I noticed 2 factors increase this annoying phenomena:
1- the high RPM frequency of the VFD (working with low RPM give better result)
2- the many up and down moves of the X axis..

I put some RF filters but the enhancement was so tiny..

I even removed the spindle cable out of the cable carrier to prevent any frequency interfere with the stepper cables but no way!

I wonder if the users who use wood routers instead of VFD spindle have the same problem?


On Tuesday, 8 July 2014, 7:10, "Hannu Venermo gcode.fi@... [pcb-gcode]" wrote:


 
This is not a Mach3 problem, as such.
Using directly from USB is specifically known NOT to work, and against
the rules.

The gcode files are and need to be memory mapped, and this wont work
reliably from a USB drive.
Its probably not as well documented as it should be.

On 07/07/2014 23:53, sdmonaco@... [pcb-gcode] wrote:
> Mach 3 appears to have an intermittant problem with resetting the
> origin when running directly off the USB drive

--
-hanermo (cnc designs)







Re: Eagle 7 ???

jeff.birt
 

Why not go read the information directly from the source? Take a look at: http://www.cadsoftusa.com/lizenzierung/

 

There is a link on that page to license documentation in the manual:

http://www.cadsoft.de/wp-content/uploads/installation_en.pdf

 

It looks like a standard node locked license system for single user licenses and they are using FlexLM for multi-user (concurrent) licenses. Both of these are standard licensing practices these days so I don’t see why folks are getting their skirts in a bunch.

 

Jeff Birt

Soigeneris.com

 

From: pcb-gcode@... [mailto:pcb-gcode@...]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:52 AM
To: pcb-gcode@...
Subject: Re: [pcb-gcode] Eagle 7 ???

 

 

I didn't know anything about the new licensing? Can somebody tell me short what has been changed? 

 

Cheers,

Dylan

 

2014-07-28 18:44 GMT+02:00 Harvey White madyn@... [pcb-gcode] <pcb-gcode@...>:

 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:11:24 +0100, you wrote:

>
>
>Thanks Fox,
>
>That's good to know.
>I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?

I haven't. V7 is having mixed reviews, partially due to the license
issue.

Right now, I'm sticking with V6.

Harvey

>For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.
>
>Roy



 

--

Modulebaan.tk

Re: Eagle 7 ???

Harvey White
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 18:51:57 +0200, you wrote:

I didn't know anything about the new licensing? Can somebody tell me short
what has been changed?
From what I have heard.

1) you are limited to one computer rigidly, no "one computer at a
time". This may or may not be a real change.
2) Apparently, the program "phones home" each time it is run to make
sure that it's properly licensed. This apparently needs a valid
Internet connection, convenient or possible or not...

There's more on the Yahoo Cadsoft list.

Harvey



Cheers,
Dylan




2014-07-28 18:44 GMT+02:00 Harvey White madyn@... [pcb-gcode] <
pcb-gcode@...>:




On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:11:24 +0100, you wrote:



Thanks Fox,

That's good to know.
I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?
I haven't. V7 is having mixed reviews, partially due to the license
issue.

Right now, I'm sticking with V6.

Harvey

For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.

Roy

Re: Eagle 7 ???

Dylan Van Assche
 

I didn't know anything about the new licensing? Can somebody tell me short what has been changed? 

Cheers,
Dylan


2014-07-28 18:44 GMT+02:00 Harvey White madyn@... [pcb-gcode] <pcb-gcode@...>:

 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:11:24 +0100, you wrote:

>
>
>Thanks Fox,
>
>That's good to know.
>I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?

I haven't. V7 is having mixed reviews, partially due to the license
issue.

Right now, I'm sticking with V6.

Harvey

>For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.
>
>Roy




Re: Eagle 7 ???

Harvey White
 

On Mon, 28 Jul 2014 16:11:24 +0100, you wrote:



Thanks Fox,

That's good to know.
I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?
I haven't. V7 is having mixed reviews, partially due to the license
issue.

Right now, I'm sticking with V6.

Harvey

For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.

Roy

Re: Eagle 7 ???

John Johnson <john6060842@...>
 

Fingers crossed they don't break things. Wouldn't be a good time.

Regards,
JJ


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Art Eckstein art.eckstein@... [pcb-gcode] <pcb-gcode@...> wrote:
 

Just as a note, I have been reading on other groups about the new "licensing" scheme that is incorporated into V7 and if what I am reading is true, you also need an internet connect each time it is used as it "phones home" on each use.

There was one who pondered if there was even a "free license" in the new version, but another said there was. 

I read where one gentleman was extremely frustrated at the changes that V7 made to his previous work so much so that it made it impossible to use without hours of rework. 

Others has said they are reverting back to V5 or V6 for the time being.

Just a word of caution until it all settles down. 

Art
Country bubba





 At 11:35 AM 7/28/2014, you wrote:


I used already EAGLE 7.0 with PCBGCODE without any problems. The only 'big' difference is the layout of EAGLE.

Cheers,
Dylan


2014-07-28 17:11 GMT+02:00 Roy Emeny forjacdf@... [pcb-gcode] < pcb-gcode@...>:
 

Thanks Fox,

That's good to know.
I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?
For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.

Roy




--
Sent from a MacBook Pro

Re: Eagle 7 ???

Roy Emeny
 

Thanks Dylan,
Sounds like good news then after my original depression!
Read a load of critical emails re the new licensing and assumed the worst.
So I guess the only thing to get depressed about was that I was not corresponding with the real Fox M!!
All the best,
Roy



On Monday, 28 July 2014, 16:48, "Dylan Van Assche dylan.rscafan@... [pcb-gcode]" wrote:


 
I used already EAGLE 7.0 with PCBGCODE without any problems. The only 'big' difference is the layout of EAGLE.

Cheers,
Dylan


2014-07-28 17:11 GMT+02:00 Roy Emeny forjacdf@... [pcb-gcode] <pcb-gcode@...>:
 
Thanks Fox,

That's good to know.
I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?
For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.

Roy



--


Re: Eagle 7 ???

Art Eckstein
 

Just as a note, I have been reading on other groups about the new "licensing" scheme that is incorporated into V7 and if what I am reading is true, you also need an internet connect each time it is used as it "phones home" on each use.

There was one who pondered if there was even a "free license" in the new version, but another said there was. 

I read where one gentleman was extremely frustrated at the changes that V7 made to his previous work so much so that it made it impossible to use without hours of rework. 

Others has said they are reverting back to V5 or V6 for the time being.

Just a word of caution until it all settles down. 

Art
Country bubba



 At 11:35 AM 7/28/2014, you wrote:


I used already EAGLE 7.0 with PCBGCODE without any problems. The only 'big' difference is the layout of EAGLE.

Cheers,
Dylan


2014-07-28 17:11 GMT+02:00 Roy Emeny forjacdf@... [pcb-gcode] < pcb-gcode@...>:
 

Thanks Fox,

That's good to know.
I wonder if anyone has tried PCB-GCODE with Eagle 7?
For me, without PCB-GCODE, Eagle would be of little use.

Roy