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Josh
 

Just wanted to reach out to everyone and say I hope you're doing okay. Good Girl is covered in ash but safe for now.
Josh 


Stephen Miller
 

My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.  

He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and folks who have lost so much. 

Steve Miller


Richard Green
 

Awoke this morning to heavy smoke here in McMinnville.  Heavier than when I went to bed last night.  The orange sky is so occluded it’s hard to tell where the sun is coming up. But my listening and reading suggests no worries here for fire.   My brother has taken in an evacuee family from over by Colton..with all their myriad animals..but in Canby where they live, so far so good.  

Best of luck to everyone out there, safe journey.

Rich

On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Josh <roseandthistlecustom@...> wrote:

Just wanted to reach out to everyone and say I hope you're doing okay. Good Girl is covered in ash but safe for now.
Josh 


Josh
 

Stephen, so glad to hear your son-in-law is okay! People like him and the ones who rescued them are real heroes. I was a volunteer firefighter many years ago and know enough to have serious respect for them. Will be praying.

Richard, hope you stay safe.
After all this I'll have to visit McMinnville, my family's been there since the 1840s so even though I grew up in Eugene it's a special area for me. 


 

I'm glad your son got out OK, Steve. I heard something on the radio yesterday about people waiting in a sports field somewhere for rescue by helicopter. I guess it was your son and the other firefighters.

Seeing that Blue River burned really brought home the destruction of these wildfires. This wasn't some distant place that was only a dot on a map. Blue River was always there, though I rarely went through it anymore since They put in the highway bypass. The Cougar Room. Those cabins on the west side of town where the druggies lived -- Rock-a-Bye Cottages? They were full of "respectable" pot smoking and acid dropping hippies in the Old Days. <g> I guess those were gone already. The Cougar Room burned and the Cottages were torn down as nuisances. Memories of a misspent youth... Authorities are warning us to "expect deaths" in the Blue River area. <sigh>

Coots Kay Patteson and Joe Nelson live in the woods near Colton. I heard there's been an evacuation order for some of that area. I tried to call Kay a few minutes ago and got no answer. I hope she's OK and that her property will be spared. Joe lives a few miles east of Kay.

On 9/9/2020 6:11 AM, Steve M wrote:
My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.
He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and folks who have lost so much.
Steve Miller
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Stephen Miller
 

Thanks John and Josh.  He just got back from 2 weeks fighting fires in California too.  Its a scary time for many people.

Steve

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:46 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I'm glad your son got out OK, Steve. I heard something on the radio
yesterday about people waiting in a sports field somewhere for rescue by
helicopter. I guess it was your son and the other firefighters.

Seeing that Blue River burned really brought home the destruction of
these wildfires. This wasn't some distant place that was only a dot on a
map. Blue River was always there, though I rarely went through it
anymore since They put in the highway bypass. The Cougar Room. Those
cabins on the west side of town where the druggies lived -- Rock-a-Bye
Cottages? They were full of "respectable" pot smoking and acid dropping
hippies in the Old Days. <g> I guess those were gone already. The Cougar
Room burned and the Cottages were torn down as nuisances. Memories of a
misspent youth... Authorities are warning us to "expect deaths" in the
Blue River area. <sigh>

Coots Kay Patteson and Joe Nelson live in the woods near Colton. I heard
there's been an evacuation order for some of that area. I tried to call
Kay a few minutes ago and got no answer. I hope she's OK and that her
property will be spared. Joe lives a few miles east of Kay.

On 9/9/2020 6:11 AM, Steve M wrote:
> My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue
> River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio
> since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to
> them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she
> dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other
> crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines
> to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.
>
> He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is
> gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and
> folks who have lost so much.
>
> Steve Miller

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what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. (Mark Twain)


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The Riverside Fire near Molalla is burning close to Kay Patteson's place, and also not far from Joe Nelson's, to the east. <sigh> I expect Kay is sheltering with Chad and the grandkids in Portland.

https://arcg.is/1XPnX40

The last address I have for Quinn Wells is within the boundary of the Echo Mountain Fire near Lincoln City. :o( At least he's only renting a trailer, but may not have any insurance. <sigh>

The boundaries for the fires to the east, anyway, weren't updated today because the plane with infrared cameras couldn't take of this morning because of the fog and smoke...

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Josh
 

John,
Thank you for the update.


 

Quinn did indeed get burned out. <sigh> He and Abby and the baby got out OK, but then had to evacuate Lincoln City. They're safe at his sister's, the last Teri heard. Thanks for the info, Teri.

On 9/13/2020 9:46 PM, Josh wrote:
John,
Thank you for the update.
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Roger Padvorac
 

John,
Have you given this link a try?
https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/44.1547/-120.4189/7

The satellite fire detection works day and night, regardless of weather, and the official boundaries ALWAYS lag behind the actual fire.

The page above includes the last known boundary. The density and placement of the red dots provides some indication of the fire behavior.
- An intermittent row of red dots indicates a slow spread.
- A solid row of red dots, some distance past the boundary, indicates a fast spread.
- The width of the areas of orange and yellow dots also provide an indication of the speed of the fire.
- Occasional spot fires way out past the edge of the fire indicates a strong updraft carrying burning debris out past the main fire, and is a bad sign.
- Looking at the terrain helps because fires will spread uphill much faster than they will spread downhill.
- Rivers and highways are much better firebreaks than hand dug trails, and so depending on the wind, have a fair chance of blocking the spread of fire.

The above info, plus the current weather forecast, can be used to fairly accurately estimate the current edge of the fire.

Watching a fire by satellite is a bit like a traumatizing horror movie. People are traumatized when they feel hopeless and helpless and feel overwhelmed. I still do it because I feel its better to know than to let my imagination run wild. Since I have a very talented imagination, I keep watching the fires by satellite.

Sincerely,
Roger


Quoting John Kohnen <@Jkohnen>:

The Riverside Fire near Molalla is burning close to Kay Patteson's place, and also not far from Joe Nelson's, to the east. <sigh> I expect Kay is sheltering with Chad and the grandkids in Portland.

https://arcg.is/1XPnX40

The last address I have for Quinn Wells is within the boundary of the Echo Mountain Fire near Lincoln City. :o( At least he's only renting a trailer, but may not have any insurance. <sigh>

The boundaries for the fires to the east, anyway, weren't updated today because the plane with infrared cameras couldn't take of this morning because of the fog and smoke...

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Thanks for the link, and explanation of how to use the info, Roger. It must have really been a scary horror movie if you were watching the fires grow last Monday and Tuesday! <sigh>

Here's a time lapse GIF of the first 36 hours of the firestorms. The Holiday Farn fire (McKenzie) didn't even exist until about 8:00 Monday night!

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/09/10/live-updates-oregon-northwest-wildfires/

On 9/14/2020 6:00 AM, Roger P wrote:
John,
Have you given this link a try?
 https://maps.nwcg.gov/sa/#/%3F/%3F/44.1547/-120.4189/7
The satellite fire detection works day and night, regardless of weather, and the official boundaries ALWAYS lag behind the actual fire.
The page above includes the last known boundary. The density and placement of the red dots provides some indication of the fire behavior.
- An intermittent row of red dots indicates a slow spread.
- A solid row of red dots, some distance past the boundary, indicates a fast spread.
- The width of the areas of orange and yellow dots also provide an indication of the speed of the fire.
- Occasional spot fires way out past the edge of the fire indicates a strong updraft carrying burning debris out past the main fire, and is a bad sign.
- Looking at the terrain helps because fires will spread uphill much faster than they will spread downhill.
- Rivers and highways are much better firebreaks than hand dug trails, and so depending on the wind, have a fair chance of blocking the spread of fire.
The above info, plus the current weather forecast, can be used to fairly accurately estimate the current edge of the fire.
Watching a fire by satellite is a bit like a traumatizing horror movie. People are traumatized when they feel hopeless and helpless and feel overwhelmed. I still do it because I feel its better to know than to let my imagination run wild. Since I have a very talented imagination, I keep watching the fires by satellite.
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