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John Kohnen #54315 Andrew, and anyone else who may know: where do you get artificial sinew, and what size is appropriate for small boats? Amazon sells it, but there are a whole lot of different ones to choose from... https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=artificial+sinew&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Our talk of skin on frame boats has inspired one of Us to give building a Shenandoah Whitehall a try. -- John <jkohnen@boat-links.com> I get up every morning determined both to change the world and to have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning the day difficult. (E. B. White) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Case Turner #54316 This is what I have used on mine. https://smile.amazon.com/Artificial-Sinew-Beading-Thread-Natural/dp/B07FL95S7C If I build another I want to give the heat stick tape stuff a try at the frames and gunnels and maybe even the stern and stem. Case Sent from not here toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:33 AM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote: Andrew, and anyone else who may know: where do you get artificial sinew, and what size is appropriate for small boats? Amazon sells it, but there are a whole lot of different ones to choose from... https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=artificial+sinew&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Our talk of skin on frame boats has inspired one of Us to give building a Shenandoah Whitehall a try. -- John <jkohnen@...> I get up every morning determined both to change the world and to have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning the day difficult. (E. B. White) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- Dirt
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Case Turner #54317 I should clarify I’d still use the artificial sinew For holding the frame together. Case Sent from not here toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Case Turner via groups.io <casesturner@...> wrote: This is what I have used on mine. https://smile.amazon.com/Artificial-Sinew-Beading-Thread-Natural/dp/B07FL95S7C If I build another I want to give the heat stick tape stuff a try at the frames and gunnels and maybe even the stern and stem. Case Sent from not here On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:33 AM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote: Andrew, and anyone else who may know: where do you get artificial sinew, and what size is appropriate for small boats? Amazon sells it, but there are a whole lot of different ones to choose from... https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=artificial+sinew&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Our talk of skin on frame boats has inspired one of Us to give building a Shenandoah Whitehall a try. -- John <jkohnen@...> I get up every morning determined both to change the world and to have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning the day difficult. (E. B. White) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- Dirt -- Dirt
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Andrew Linn #54318 The guys I used to use went out of business. I bought some off Amazon I didn't like, it was yellow and braided instead of flat. Even braided it wasn't any stronger than the 70lbs stuff I used to use. Plus, being braided, it was rougher and had more friction to it, so it was more likely to snag and snarl instead of pull smoothly into a knot. It was only $9/roll, so I thought I was saving money. Ha ha on me. I see a lot of 30lbs test stuff on that amazon link you sent. I'd recommend finding 70lbs test. Like Case said: That stuff from Treasure Gurus looks right. I'd go with that. I usually use a fathom (2 yards) per knot. The canoes I build now require a few less than 35 knots (70 yards). Estimate your usage and buy it all at once. Nothing sucks worse than waiting for parts. As a side note: People don't usually treat the frames and stringers on SoF boats as it just adds weight and expense. Just remember: Once skinned, you'll have a heck of a time trying to do anything with the frame. For the boat I am about to start building, I am painting the skin a light beige. I've decided to paint the frame flat black. It's going to look great. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 11/21/2020 11:49 AM, Case Turner wrote: This is what I have used on mine. https://smile.amazon.com/Artificial-Sinew-Beading-Thread-Natural/dp/B07FL95S7C <https://smile.amazon.com/Artificial-Sinew-Beading-Thread-Natural/dp/B07FL95S7C> If I build another I want to give the heat stick tape stuff a try at the frames and gunnels and maybe even the stern and stem. Case
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John Kohnen #54319 Thanks, Andy! So, 70 lb. test, not braided, waxed. That's something to file away for future reference. On the flat black Willamette canoe did you use a thousand staples, or did you try the HeatNBond? Are you still getting your fabric from George Dyson? toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 11/21/2020 12:07 PM, Andrew wrote: The guys I used to use went out of business. I bought some off Amazon I didn't like, it was yellow and braided instead of flat. Even braided it wasn't any stronger than the 70lbs stuff I used to use. Plus, being braided, it was rougher and had more friction to it, so it was more likely to snag and snarl instead of pull smoothly into a knot. It was only $9/roll, so I thought I was saving money. Ha ha on me. I see a lot of 30lbs test stuff on that amazon link you sent. I'd recommend finding 70lbs test. Like Case said: That stuff from Treasure Gurus looks right. I'd go with that. I usually use a fathom (2 yards) per knot. The canoes I build now require a few less than 35 knots (70 yards). Estimate your usage and buy it all at once. Nothing sucks worse than waiting for parts. ... -- John <jkohnen@boat-links.com> One boat just leads to another. (John Kohnen) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Pete Leenhouts #54320 A bit late, but...when my wife and I built two baidarka's at Corey Freedman's Skin Boat School in Anacortes in '07, we used artificial sinew, which is available via his website https://shop.skinboats.com (and elsewhere, I'm sure). The baidarka's live outside under our deck, upside down when not in use, and show no signs of wear other than weathering. Pete toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> To: oregoncoots@groups.io Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2020 12:21 pm Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Artificial Sinew Thanks, Andy! So, 70 lb. test, not braided, waxed. That's something to file away for future reference. On the flat black Willamette canoe did you use a thousand staples, or did you try the HeatNBond? Are you still getting your fabric from George Dyson? On 11/21/2020 12:07 PM, Andrew wrote: > The guys I used to use went out of business. I bought some off Amazon I > didn't like, it was yellow and braided instead of flat. Even braided it > wasn't any stronger than the 70lbs stuff I used to use. Plus, being > braided, it was rougher and had more friction to it, so it was more > likely to snag and snarl instead of pull smoothly into a knot. It was > only $9/roll, so I thought I was saving money. Ha ha on me. > > I see a lot of 30lbs test stuff on that amazon link you sent. I'd > recommend finding 70lbs test. > > Like Case said: That stuff from Treasure Gurus looks right. I'd go with > that. I usually use a fathom (2 yards) per knot. The canoes I build now > require a few less than 35 knots (70 yards). Estimate your usage and buy > it all at once. Nothing sucks worse than waiting for parts. > ... -- John <jkohnen@...> One boat just leads to another. (John Kohnen) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Richard Green #54321 Ok, I’m losing it here. I read the subject line as ‘artificial stew’. Took a few seconds to get a grip on that. Rich toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote: I should clarify I’d still use the artificial sinew For holding the frame together. Case Sent from not here On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Case Turner via groups.io <casesturner@...> wrote: This is what I have used on mine. https://smile.amazon.com/Artificial-Sinew-Beading-Thread-Natural/dp/B07FL95S7C If I build another I want to give the heat stick tape stuff a try at the frames and gunnels and maybe even the stern and stem. Case Sent from not here On Nov 21, 2020, at 11:33 AM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote: Andrew, and anyone else who may know: where do you get artificial sinew, and what size is appropriate for small boats? Amazon sells it, but there are a whole lot of different ones to choose from... https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=artificial+sinew&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 Our talk of skin on frame boats has inspired one of Us to give building a Shenandoah Whitehall a try. -- John <jkohnen@...> I get up every morning determined both to change the world and to have one hell of a good time. Sometimes this makes planning the day difficult. (E. B. White) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- Dirt -- Dirt
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Andrew Linn #54322 I used 1000 staples on that one, but I'm going to try the HeatNBond on the next. I bought a bunch of fabric from Dyson a few years ago, I am working through that. I might try another fabric on the next one. I'm working on these with a friend, we spend about an hour a day on them, so they take time. To help move things along, I have been putting a dab of PL Premium on the joint, clamping the stringers in place, and allowing them to cure overnight. The next day, I remove the clamps and the stringers are kept in place while we lash. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 11/21/2020 12:21 PM, John Kohnen wrote: Thanks, Andy! So, 70 lb. test, not braided, waxed. That's something to file away for future reference. On the flat black Willamette canoe did you use a thousand staples, or did you try the HeatNBond? Are you still getting your fabric from George Dyson? On 11/21/2020 12:07 PM, Andrew wrote: The guys I used to use went out of business. I bought some off Amazon I didn't like, it was yellow and braided instead of flat. Even braided it wasn't any stronger than the 70lbs stuff I used to use. Plus, being braided, it was rougher and had more friction to it, so it was more likely to snag and snarl instead of pull smoothly into a knot. It was only $9/roll, so I thought I was saving money. Ha ha on me. I see a lot of 30lbs test stuff on that amazon link you sent. I'd recommend finding 70lbs test. Like Case said: That stuff from Treasure Gurus looks right. I'd go with that. I usually use a fathom (2 yards) per knot. The canoes I build now require a few less than 35 knots (70 yards). Estimate your usage and buy it all at once. Nothing sucks worse than waiting for parts. ...
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John Kohnen #54324 Thanks, Pete. I hadn't heard of Corey's operation. The school's link is: https://www.skinboats.org/ toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On 11/21/2020 12:32 PM, Pete L wrote: A bit late, but...when my wife and I built two baidarka's at Corey Freedman's Skin Boat School in Anacortes in '07, we used artificial sinew, which is available via his website https://shop.skinboats.com (and elsewhere, I'm sure). The baidarka's live outside under our deck, upside down when not in use, and show no signs of wear other than weathering. -- John <jkohnen@boat-links.com> He got hold of the red meat of the language and turned it into hamburgers. (Richard Gordon on Ernest Hemingway) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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Pete Leenhouts #54328 Thanks for catching my incorrect link, John, sorry for the hassle!~ Pete toggle quoted messageShow quoted text -----Original Message----- From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> To: oregoncoots@groups.io Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2020 11:12 pm Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Artificial Sinew Thanks, Pete. I hadn't heard of Corey's operation. The school's link is: https://www.skinboats.org/ On 11/21/2020 12:32 PM, Pete L wrote: > A bit late, but...when my wife and I built two baidarka's at Corey > Freedman's Skin Boat School in Anacortes in '07, we used artificial > sinew, which is available via his website https://shop.skinboats.com > (and elsewhere, I'm sure). The baidarka's live outside under our deck, > upside down when not in use, and show no signs of wear other than > weathering. -- John <jkohnen@...> He got hold of the red meat of the language and turned it into hamburgers. (Richard Gordon on Ernest Hemingway) -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com
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John Kohnen #54329 Both links are correct, Pete. Dot org for the school, dot com for the store. toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On November 22, 2020 12:03:21 PM PST, Pete L wrote: Thanks for catching my incorrect link, John, sorry for the hassle!~ Pete https://www.skinboats.org/ https://shop.skinboats.com -- John <jkohnen@boat-links.com> A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought. (Lord Peter Wimsey) Sent from some sort of mobile device.
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Jove Lachman-Curl #54330 When I did my SOF I did several wraps of 45lb B55 polyester bowstirng material, Not waxed, I then dabbed each knot with super thin super glue, and spar varnished the whole frame. A laborious approach, but I can be very sure those knots are not coming loose I already had the B50 and Artificial sinew from an archery project in the past, Bought here. https://www.3riversarchery.com/artificial-sinew-4-oz-spool.html https://www.3riversarchery.com/bcy-b55-polyester-bowstring-material.html The B55 is formulated for very low stretch, not that that's necessary an advantage for lashings. For the sinew they have 4 OZ roles and 50, 75 and 100 lb in case anyone needs that. I wonder if any of these would make a suitable sail repair thread? It's interesting that I'm seeing a Prop65 cancer warning on all the polyester products, sinew, bowstring, Sail thread. -Jove toggle quoted messageShow quoted text On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 3:43 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote: Both links are correct, Pete. Dot org for the school, dot com for the store. On November 22, 2020 12:03:21 PM PST, Pete L wrote: >Thanks for catching my incorrect link, John, sorry for the hassle!~ >Pete > >https://www.skinboats.org/ > > https://shop.skinboats.com > -- John <jkohnen@...> A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought. (Lord Peter Wimsey) Sent from some sort of mobile device.
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