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Re: Stretched to 20' Great Pelican hull

 

Voyage of a Summer Sun: Canoeing the Columbia River. Cody started at the top and worked his way downriver. A Good Read.

https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0870716611
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Amen to Reach of Tide and Sailing Uphill. Also, Sailing with Vancouver: A Modern Sea Dog, Antique Charts and a Voyage Through Time:

https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0870714848/themotherofal-20

https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0920663702/themotherofal-20

https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1771512644/themotherofal-20

On 4/18/2020 7:07 PM, Mark N wrote:
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Sailing Uphill and Reach of Tides should be on every Coots bookshelf.  :-)
Robin Cody also had a great friendship with Sam and he read from his book at the annual meeting and told stories about Sam. I believe some of those are in his book, but I can't recall the name of it.
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Re: Stretched to 20' Great Pelican hull

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi guys,

I doubt Sam ever used any proper plans,  especially established ones.  When we had a memorial for him at one of RiversWest annual meetings, it was explained that Sam laid down on a piece of plywood and made his boat not much bigger, sorta to discourage passengers. I doubt any strongback of his lasted long, as it would have been incorporated into the next project.

Myles Twete would be one of the guys to ask about Sam, as he owns (owned?) one of Sam's boats, the Reach of Tides. Jim Giles, I believe his name was, was also a member of RiversWest at the time and he was the fellow who was with Sam in his boat when they had to abandon it in the Missouri River.

Oregon Field Guide did a piece on Sam back in the late 80s, and they gave me a CD of the show. I converted his segment to an .mp3 or .avi video file if anyone ever wanted to watch it on their computer, although you could probably stream it from OPB directly. He took them on his boat along the lower Columbia where he spent a summer or two as a youth.

Sailing Uphill and Reach of Tides should be on every Coots bookshelf.  :-)  

Robin Cody also had a great friendship with Sam and he read from his book at the annual meeting and told stories about Sam. I believe some of those are in his book, but I can't recall the name of it.

Mark


Stretched to 20' Great Pelican hull

 

That does sound like the boat Sam McKinney started his voyage across the country in. IIRC, it took several boats and a couple of marriages to complete the trip. ;o) The book about the adventure is, Sailing Uphill.

I don't know anything about the strongback. The group was probably RiversWest, or a forerunner of it. Do any of the Megalopolitan Coots now anything?


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Subject: Stretched to 20' Great Pelican hull
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 16:27:41 -0700
From: Richard G

About forty or so years ago I knew a guy, Sam McKinney IIRC, who did some boating on the Columbia, wrote a few small books about such things. Used to see him in Astoria where I was living aboard. Anyway, his boat was a stretched to 20’ Great Pelican hull with a big old box cabin on it, he sat on a lawn chair and had a small outboard and a double bunk forward.
At that time it is my recollection that he belonged to a group of folks in Portland who were building boats and had built the 20’ strongback for his boat. Anyone know who those folks were/are and whether that strongback is still in existence? I recollect he started his upstream journey in that boat but changed boats and I kinda recall changed direction in one book at the same time.

Anyone recall this?

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Re: Kayak build in Eugene

 

There may be a surplus Fulmar near Corvallis that could be pried away from its owners, who built a bigger, Paul Gartside boat. Fulmar is a racy boat. I recall the day on Fern Ridge when me and Charley tried to catch this one in Lazy Jack! <g> A shot from a different day:

https://flic.kr/p/oDmLQG

On 4/17/2020 1:27 PM, Josh wrote:
...We plan to eventually do a bigger boat (probably Vivier Ilur,
Welsford Pathfinder or Oughtred Fulmar) but figured starting with one of those could be overwhelming.
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Re: Kayak build in Eugene

 

On 4/17/2020 8:18 AM, Josh wrote:
Since I haven't had a boat (even if I did my car couldn't tow it) I've hardly said anything on here. Just ordered a 14' wood duck kayak from CLC, hoping to have it done in time to be on the water this summer. Planning to look into the feasibility of adding a sailing rig and leeboard eventually.
Josh
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Re: The way to do it right now

 

When Brian G was stuck at home looking after his mother he had plenty of time to work on his motorboat, but no chance to use it. <sigh> He told me he'd turn on a nearby sprinkler and sit at the wheel of Cloud Nine on her trailer, make motor noises, feel the spray on his face, and pretend he was out on the water. :o)

https://flic.kr/p/2h9MjhE

On 4/17/2020 3:32 PM, John P wrote:
Dan,
Your neighbor will get much better windward performance if he tightens the traveler bar tight, and adds a clew tie to keep the clew of the sail close to the boom. Though looks like peak performance isn't the goal of the pictured outing.
Just sayin'
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Re: The way to do it right now

John Purdy
 

Dan,

Your neighbor will get much better windward performance if he tightens the traveler bar tight, and adds a clew tie to keep the clew of the sail close to the boom. Though looks like peak performance isn't the goal of the pictured outing.

Just sayin'

John Purdy


Re: Kayak build in Eugene

Josh
 

I'll definitely get pictures to share as it progresses (ships May 5th).
Passagemaker take apart is a really cool boat and should be pretty versatile. We plan to eventually do a bigger boat (probably Vivier Ilur, Welsford Pathfinder or Oughtred Fulmar) but figured starting with one of those could be overwhelming. 
Josh 


Re: Kayak build in Eugene

Case Turner
 

Should be a fun build. I’ve been toying around with getting the Passagmaker Take apart kit. When nested I could haul it in my cargo trailer camper. 

Case

On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

Looking forward to your build!  Best of luck!

Rich

On Apr 17, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Josh <roseandthistlecustom@...> wrote:

Since I haven't had a boat (even if I did my car couldn't tow it) I've hardly said anything on here. Just ordered a 14' wood duck kayak from CLC, hoping to have it done in time to be on the water this summer. Planning to look into the feasibility of adding a sailing rig and leeboard eventually.
Josh 


Re: Kayak build in Eugene

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Wood duck looks great, send us pics along the way! :)


On Apr 17, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

Looking forward to your build!  Best of luck!

Rich

On Apr 17, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Josh <roseandthistlecustom@...> wrote:

Since I haven't had a boat (even if I did my car couldn't tow it) I've hardly said anything on here. Just ordered a 14' wood duck kayak from CLC, hoping to have it done in time to be on the water this summer. Planning to look into the feasibility of adding a sailing rig and leeboard eventually.
Josh 


Re: Kayak build in Eugene

Richard Green
 

Looking forward to your build!  Best of luck!

Rich

On Apr 17, 2020, at 8:18 AM, Josh <roseandthistlecustom@...> wrote:

Since I haven't had a boat (even if I did my car couldn't tow it) I've hardly said anything on here. Just ordered a 14' wood duck kayak from CLC, hoping to have it done in time to be on the water this summer. Planning to look into the feasibility of adding a sailing rig and leeboard eventually.
Josh 


Kayak build in Eugene

Josh
 

Since I haven't had a boat (even if I did my car couldn't tow it) I've hardly said anything on here. Just ordered a 14' wood duck kayak from CLC, hoping to have it done in time to be on the water this summer. Planning to look into the feasibility of adding a sailing rig and leeboard eventually.
Josh 


Re: More virus options

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks David, nice to know some more info. is becoming known.  I saved my old machine, now it is a back up for my wife, if needed.  I like the info. on the web you sent, here's hoping that British health data gets spread also.  I've always taken multivitamins as general health stuff, low cost way to renew basic chemicals with ageing, just in case.  Just checked and all the recommended doses of all them are in Centrum Silver for seniors, easy way to build resistance.  Special thanks for that site, it makes me feel better to hear others could do something to help with the virus.  My wife pointed out that you'd need a way to exhaust the used and virus laden ait out of the room too.  Or close off that room to entry, so others don't walk into a dangerous virus level inside the home.  A box fan would be one solution or window air conditioner, coupled with a good mask for others of course.

The dreaded GYM is another good idea, but now I use a simple "walking, boat working, motorcycling , and general shop creations to keep flexible in private.  Just finished a double LED 4 ft. tubes type of hanging light with a shade for the house, looking at another wood light for the dining room soon.  Plenty of ways to keep active, except I stopped on the kayak like the others I sold.  Patterns all cut out and done, but after selling 6 or so that's enough. 

Whoops, dinner is arriving soon, byee !! ---  Cal


The way to do it right now

dan mulholland
 

In my  neighborhood, this guy is using his boat to sail today, complete with the trimmings.   When on a small boat, having an adjacent table to put the empties on is useful.   He's looking for a trailer.   Otherwise, he has to walk to the water with the dolly.

Dan


Re: More virus options

David Luckhardt
 

Cal -

Completely agree -- I've bought a used ResMed AirSense 10 CPAP and an older oxygen concentrator on Craigslist, and plan to use the combination if we (or family) gets ill enough.  Sterilized the heck out of both, plus let them sit for over a week before testing.  If you have an oxy concentrator it can be connected directly to the CPAP mask hose with one of the following adapters - https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B071GW7DFN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dr. John Campbell, the semi-retired teaching nurse from the UK, made this video about using standard CPAP gear for home nursing of Covid19 patients - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbyycRIpABY&t=119s

Can't recommend his videos too highly -- great info on the pandemic from someone with no political spin or corporate sponsors.

 


Another idea for the boathouse

Teresa Pittman
 

I have a Necchi Supernova sewing machine. It's a nice machine. Straight stitch and zigzag work but I can't get the cams to work. I believe these are supposed to be good for making light sails. If the boathouse can use it, I'd be happy to donate it.

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Re: Jamie's New Sails

elaineginader
 

Thank you John great pictures.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 11:54 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Tinyurl isn't something you have to "have", it's just there... Some folks set their systems block ordinary tinyurl links, but I thought the "preview" links got through Ok. <shrug> At any rate, here's the long link. I hope it doesn't get chopped up:

https://groups.io/g/SSSBS/topic/checking_in_a_couple_of_new/73013082?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,73013082

On April 14, 2020 3:11:36 PM PDT, elaine wrote:
>Hi John,
>Could you please post the picture so us that don't have tinyurl can see
>it.
>
>Thanks
>Elaine
>
>On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 PM I wrote:
>
>> Jamie got some new sails for his little bitty schooner, Orkney Lass:
>>
>> https://preview.tinyurl.com/sajl6fr
>>
>> She sure looks good, Jamie, and salty. :o)
>>
>> Orkney Lass is an Atkin Florence Oakland:
>>
>> http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlorenceOakland.html
>>
>>
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More virus options

Electri-Cal
 

Another way to relieve symptoms, get a CPAP machine.  Mine provides drying and heated air under pressure to keep sinus and chest airways clear all night long.  In a reclining position, or at night, it's hard to have good air pressure with ageing muscles.  So, yes, it is possible to relieve congestion enough to stay alive while contagious, that's a fact. Had mild symptoms for a week a while back, saved my bacon, as it does for any chest cold, with rx cough reliever of course.  Probably from our just returning from a cruise to Panama canal zone, a while back, yes - asians in the elevators on board.

Yes, I called the governors office, and CNN input line, and a couple others to check on legalities.  The answer I got was YES !!  the machines are designed for home use to provide positive air flow where anything is blocking breathing.  Yes, they could be used to relieve early symptoms, possibly with additives to stop or control virus to some extent in the water tank like I have on mine.  The result is that by law a CPAP machine is a prescription machine, requires a "sleep test" to figure the correct air pressure and if added oxygen is required.  The approved machines do that also, but are not required to be doctor approved, since there is no patient input to programming. 

END RESULT  --  those easy to use machines, of which we have millions in use in the US alone, can not be prescribed for normal use, without the overnight monitored ( expensive) test.  I guess it is easier to let people die than ease a restriction during a need.  After my 2 days of calling, only 2 sources got back to me, with yes they work, but we can't get approvals to use them in a non standard way, no can't pass the info, on, that's not authorised for the public.  Pretty Sad deal for a lot of folks, eh !!

Try Something, at least Try - Dammit !!  -----   Cal


Re: Jamie's New Sails

 

Tinyurl isn't something you have to "have", it's just there... Some folks set their systems block ordinary tinyurl links, but I thought the "preview" links got through Ok. <shrug> At any rate, here's the long link. I hope it doesn't get chopped up:

https://groups.io/g/SSSBS/topic/checking_in_a_couple_of_new/73013082?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,73013082

On April 14, 2020 3:11:36 PM PDT, elaine wrote:
Hi John,
Could you please post the picture so us that don't have tinyurl can see
it.

Thanks
Elaine

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 PM I wrote:

Jamie got some new sails for his little bitty schooner, Orkney Lass:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/sajl6fr

She sure looks good, Jamie, and salty. :o)

Orkney Lass is an Atkin Florence Oakland:

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlorenceOakland.html

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Re: Jamie's New Sails

elaineginader
 

Hi John,
Could you please post the picture so us that don't have tinyurl can see it.

Thanks 
Elaine

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 2:41 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Jamie got some new sails for his little bitty schooner, Orkney Lass:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/sajl6fr

She sure looks good, Jamie, and salty. :o)

Orkney Lass is an Atkin Florence Oakland:

http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Sail/FlorenceOakland.html


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