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Rope Sailors dean (whisk)

Case Turner
 

Lots of good tutorials online for tying rope sailors swabs, a.k.a. Whisks. So while self quarantined go grab a hunk of rope google sailors swab and get to tying. 

Case

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On Mar 19, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

Just a note, for when the paper tissues run low.  We did not always have paper for every need, and wast most of what we use anyhow.  Historically sailors use an unlaid ropes end to wipe things clean.  Decks, pots, and themselves after a trip to the head, then a rinse for the next user of the "fag end" , that would work today too.  Paper towels are a convenience, not  a necessity, neither is toilet paper if we look back enough. 

My dad came from Kansas, where during some seasons, corn cobs were a necessity, in bathrooms or outhouses, as kitchen scrubbers, and basic cleaners when dry, brushes cost money and the recession did not help that time either. Suffice it to say that there are alternatives to many things if we just look around, or research the usual products of earlier times.  Looks like that many "necessities" were just not invented yet, and maybe we do not need some articles of civilization, just get back to the basics of soap, water, and cloth products.

Boat stuff, and bike gear now includes a thermos, or room temp tea drinks, small snacks and sanitizer of course.  No more meals and $$ out, or public exposure except for gas, unless needed.  Oh just a thought, then time for a scooter or bike ride agaiin.  The extra non public time got my electric bicycle recleaned to use, and added a frame "touring bag" -- which fills the frame open area to carry the jacket for a senior lunch.  That's an idea to save a few bucks too.  Rather than a car, the e-bike has good $$ saving features.  Mine has a 48 volt battery, does around 20 mph, will do over 10 miles easy, you do some pedaling, use the motor for help on hills, rechargeer is in the bag, or for return.  Makes me wish my ol' butt was up to an Albany lunch trip, for a full day ride on old 99N, could be fun.  Yep, it FEELS heavy at first -- but rides very well, even with noEV assist.  YES, I was surprised, and there are newer systems that are lighter, mine is a regen, high power rig that is almost an EV scooter without plates !!  PS, -- you could have a 3 wheeler, but not as portable for trips, but I fixed that too.

On that subject, check out the newer electric bikes again, if you need to save gas bucks for a longer time, even Walmart has some now, and make riding fun for the advanced year coots again.  Helmet, gloves, and a light weight motorcycle "hoodie" with armored shoulders, arms is good, or I use a light extra armored real (Cycle Gear Store) motorcycle jacket, just in case.  Good for balance, exercise, and a bit  clean air without close human contact, low $$ cruises after entry cost  is a no brainer for me.

Comments welcome, I willingly share gear info. on my setup ----   Cal 



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Re: Paper Thoughts

Electri-Cal
 

Got  way off the main subject again !!  Check the first post on more ways to get around, with less cost overall.  I'm not using the car except for "Big ticket or heavy stuff", weather excepted -- now that summer is coming along.  Get the ol bike out and update it to assist with saving bucks.  Yep, still 7 miles to town here, so that's a bit , but doable in good weather if not in a rush.  A stiff walk, but within reason on my ev bike, well suns up, time to ride for helth, fresh air, and exercise.

Later,   Cal 


Paper Thoughts

Electri-Cal
 

Just a note, for when the paper tissues run low.  We did not always have paper for every need, and wast most of what we use anyhow.  Historically sailors use an unlaid ropes end to wipe things clean.  Decks, pots, and themselves after a trip to the head, then a rinse for the next user of the "fag end" , that would work today too.  Paper towels are a convenience, not  a necessity, neither is toilet paper if we look back enough. 

My dad came from Kansas, where during some seasons, corn cobs were a necessity, in bathrooms or outhouses, as kitchen scrubbers, and basic cleaners when dry, brushes cost money and the recession did not help that time either. Suffice it to say that there are alternatives to many things if we just look around, or research the usual products of earlier times.  Looks like that many "necessities" were just not invented yet, and maybe we do not need some articles of civilization, just get back to the basics of soap, water, and cloth products.

Boat stuff, and bike gear now includes a thermos, or room temp tea drinks, small snacks and sanitizer of course.  No more meals and $$ out, or public exposure except for gas, unless needed.  Oh just a thought, then time for a scooter or bike ride agaiin.  The extra non public time got my electric bicycle recleaned to use, and added a frame "touring bag" -- which fills the frame open area to carry the jacket for a senior lunch.  That's an idea to save a few bucks too.  Rather than a car, the e-bike has good $$ saving features.  Mine has a 48 volt battery, does around 20 mph, will do over 10 miles easy, you do some pedaling, use the motor for help on hills, rechargeer is in the bag, or for return.  Makes me wish my ol' butt was up to an Albany lunch trip, for a full day ride on old 99N, could be fun.  Yep, it FEELS heavy at first -- but rides very well, even with noEV assist.  YES, I was surprised, and there are newer systems that are lighter, mine is a regen, high power rig that is almost an EV scooter without plates !!  PS, -- you could have a 3 wheeler, but not as portable for trips, but I fixed that too.

On that subject, check out the newer electric bikes again, if you need to save gas bucks for a longer time, even Walmart has some now, and make riding fun for the advanced year coots again.  Helmet, gloves, and a light weight motorcycle "hoodie" with armored shoulders, arms is good, or I use a light extra armored real (Cycle Gear Store) motorcycle jacket, just in case.  Good for balance, exercise, and a bit  clean air without close human contact, low $$ cruises after entry cost  is a no brainer for me.

Comments welcome, I willingly share gear info. on my setup ----   Cal 



Re: Thursday lunch

Claire Acord
 

Nicely reasoned argument Jove, thank you.
I have found the "This week in Virology" podcasts to be especially informative.  They can be found here:
of on your favorite podcast player.
Good factual and timely information
stay well
Claire

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:17 PM Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...> wrote:
Hey fellas,
I know this isn't about boats, but it is about meeting for boating activities. I feel compelled to send a short email about this.
Most of you are older chaps and in a vulnerable category. Corona virus is on the loose in the public in Lane county. We don't know how many cases there are because they're only testing the sickest patients who have lung symptoms. We had our first death in Oregon a couple days ago. Because we're short of testing in the US the "confirmed cases" number isn't worth anything.
Based on the math of how quickly this virus spreads, and how long it takes to die, we can calculate that for every death we likely have 800 cases in the community. We had our first death today in lane county, so we likely have hundreds of cases loose in Lane county alone.
The UK has advised all persons over 70 to self quarantine for the next 4 months.
I have had my grandparents agree to self quarantine and to let me know when they need groceries.
I've even stopped kissing my girlfriend, or close contact because we live separately and both have house mates and both have older folks in our family in our lives.
My company said last week "all who can work from home will". And today have announced a 4 week layoff..
My dance class is canceled, and my seminar class is canceled. My friends birthday is canceled.

The virus lives on hard surfaces for 3 days, fabric and cardboard for 1 day, and in the air after sneeze or cough for 3 hours.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP  
I would recommend you take the hand hygiene seriously, and I would recommend you don't meet up for lunch.
If you meet up with anyone I would recommend open air (there is increasing evidence that it's airborne for 1-3 hours after a cough), and a 6 ft radius.
Most transmissions are coming from people with no symptoms due to the 10 day infectious incubation.
Below are a couple of the best things I've read on it.
Be well, be safe.

If you look at the below image graph from last week, we are following the exact same trajectory as Italy. We have 8000 cases today. So we are in fact accelerating faster than Italy.
The second image is from the above Medium article.
If we overwhelm our healthcare system our death rate will be closer to 5%, not 1%, this is due to the fact that 5% of patients need professional help with breathing to survive.
I encourage you all to help make this curve as flat as possible. A friend of mine said it best " Don't change your behavior to not catch it. Behave like you have it and do your best to not infect others".
Everything we know indicates that we are at the beginning of this epidemic and it will take many months. Everything we can do as individuates to slow the rise of the curve will save lives.
Anyone is welcome to contact me for more information about this.
Good luck to all.

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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jhcalbany@... via Groups.Io <Jhcalbany=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Since none of the restaurants will let us eat there. How about coming to my place. I'll set up a table. Bring your own lunch & we can tell lies & criticize my boat. 1:00 Thursday? 


Re: Navionics

Pete Leenhouts
 

John, yes, that is very clear and easy to follow. Thank you! 

Interestingly, I've made the approach into the Port Townsend Boat Haven many times from the south, and have never run into dangerous depths during the approach as shown on that Navionics example.  

On a slightly different topic, the red dots are difficult to see and are not standard charting practice (at least, not the USN standards, anyway). We always lined off danger depths in black pen to show where not to go. It would be helpful to have the dangerous area shaded red, perhaps, or barred red. Just my opinion, though. 

Thanks again - look forward to the Navionics and Open CPN demonstrations/tutorials. 

WR/Pete
MV RIPTIDE
https://www.flickr.com/photos/old_salt7/albums/72157678815239754
  


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From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>
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Sent: Wed, Mar 18, 2020 5:46 pm
Subject: [oregoncoots] Navionics

I think I've figured out how to show some Navionics tips over the
Interweb without human interaction. It's easy to tell Navionics to show
dangerous depths, and the depth you feel comfortable in. Here's my first
stab at a tutorialette (Android version):

http://www.coots.org/navstuff/DepthShading.pdf

Is that any help?

I like the flexibility of using nav programs on a tablet. Especially the
nav programs that handle raster charts and maps. I use OziExplorer,
because it's a good program and I've used it for years, so I'm
comfortable with it. I can use NOAA charts, topo maps (for the areas the
charts don't cover), historic charts and maps (for fun, to see what
things used to be like), and even aerial photos. OpenCPN can handle all
those too, plus vector charts (like Navionics), and it's free(ish). I
don't think I'd be happy with a proprietary nav system. But that's me...

We'll discuss OpenCPN in the Workshop, as well as Navionics.

On 3/15/2020 5:46 PM, Pete L wrote:
> ...
> I would like to figure out how to develop a circular or perhaps a
> rectangular operating area, so that I can wander around in that area
> knowing I am always in safe water. I would also like to figure out how
> to develop the ability for the program to show my "keep out" areas (such
> as those areas less than 50 feet in depth).
>
> I am moving to a Garmin Nav system this spring, but will continue to use
> Navionics as a backup.

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Re: Thursday lunch

Jhcalbany@aol.com
 

Thanks for worrying about us.


Navionics

 

I think I've figured out how to show some Navionics tips over the Interweb without human interaction. It's easy to tell Navionics to show dangerous depths, and the depth you feel comfortable in. Here's my first stab at a tutorialette (Android version):

http://www.coots.org/navstuff/DepthShading.pdf

Is that any help?

I like the flexibility of using nav programs on a tablet. Especially the nav programs that handle raster charts and maps. I use OziExplorer, because it's a good program and I've used it for years, so I'm comfortable with it. I can use NOAA charts, topo maps (for the areas the charts don't cover), historic charts and maps (for fun, to see what things used to be like), and even aerial photos. OpenCPN can handle all those too, plus vector charts (like Navionics), and it's free(ish). I don't think I'd be happy with a proprietary nav system. But that's me...

We'll discuss OpenCPN in the Workshop, as well as Navionics.

On 3/15/2020 5:46 PM, Pete L wrote:
...
I would like to figure out how to develop a circular or perhaps a rectangular operating area, so that I can wander around in that area knowing I am always in safe water. I would also like to figure out how to develop the ability for the program to show my "keep out" areas (such as those areas less than 50 feet in depth).
I am moving to a Garmin Nav system this spring, but will continue to use Navionics as a backup.
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Re: Thursday lunch

Case Turner
 

Well said Jove. 

This virus isn’t to be taken lightly. The less contact with people the better. With the longer incubation period it’s really hard to tell who may or may not be spreading it. 

Let’s all stay healthy so we can enjoy Messabouts in the future.

Case


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On Mar 18, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...> wrote:


Hey fellas,
I know this isn't about boats, but it is about meeting for boating activities. I feel compelled to send a short email about this.
Most of you are older chaps and in a vulnerable category. Corona virus is on the loose in the public in Lane county. We don't know how many cases there are because they're only testing the sickest patients who have lung symptoms. We had our first death in Oregon a couple days ago. Because we're short of testing in the US the "confirmed cases" number isn't worth anything.
Based on the math of how quickly this virus spreads, and how long it takes to die, we can calculate that for every death we likely have 800 cases in the community. We had our first death today in lane county, so we likely have hundreds of cases loose in Lane county alone.
The UK has advised all persons over 70 to self quarantine for the next 4 months.
I have had my grandparents agree to self quarantine and to let me know when they need groceries.
I've even stopped kissing my girlfriend, or close contact because we live separately and both have house mates and both have older folks in our family in our lives.
My company said last week "all who can work from home will". And today have announced a 4 week layoff..
My dance class is canceled, and my seminar class is canceled. My friends birthday is canceled.

The virus lives on hard surfaces for 3 days, fabric and cardboard for 1 day, and in the air after sneeze or cough for 3 hours.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP  
I would recommend you take the hand hygiene seriously, and I would recommend you don't meet up for lunch.
If you meet up with anyone I would recommend open air (there is increasing evidence that it's airborne for 1-3 hours after a cough), and a 6 ft radius.
Most transmissions are coming from people with no symptoms due to the 10 day infectious incubation.
Below are a couple of the best things I've read on it.
Be well, be safe.

If you look at the below image graph from last week, we are following the exact same trajectory as Italy. We have 8000 cases today. So we are in fact accelerating faster than Italy.
The second image is from the above Medium article.
If we overwhelm our healthcare system our death rate will be closer to 5%, not 1%, this is due to the fact that 5% of patients need professional help with breathing to survive.
I encourage you all to help make this curve as flat as possible. A friend of mine said it best " Don't change your behavior to not catch it. Behave like you have it and do your best to not infect others".
Everything we know indicates that we are at the beginning of this epidemic and it will take many months. Everything we can do as individuates to slow the rise of the curve will save lives.
Anyone is welcome to contact me for more information about this.
Good luck to all.

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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jhcalbany@... via Groups.Io <Jhcalbany=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Since none of the restaurants will let us eat there. How about coming to my place. I'll set up a table. Bring your own lunch & we can tell lies & criticize my boat. 1:00 Thursday? 


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Re: Thursday lunch

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Hey fellas,
I know this isn't about boats, but it is about meeting for boating activities. I feel compelled to send a short email about this.
Most of you are older chaps and in a vulnerable category. Corona virus is on the loose in the public in Lane county. We don't know how many cases there are because they're only testing the sickest patients who have lung symptoms. We had our first death in Oregon a couple days ago. Because we're short of testing in the US the "confirmed cases" number isn't worth anything.
Based on the math of how quickly this virus spreads, and how long it takes to die, we can calculate that for every death we likely have 800 cases in the community. We had our first death today in lane county, so we likely have hundreds of cases loose in Lane county alone.
The UK has advised all persons over 70 to self quarantine for the next 4 months.
I have had my grandparents agree to self quarantine and to let me know when they need groceries.
I've even stopped kissing my girlfriend, or close contact because we live separately and both have house mates and both have older folks in our family in our lives.
My company said last week "all who can work from home will". And today have announced a 4 week layoff..
My dance class is canceled, and my seminar class is canceled. My friends birthday is canceled.

The virus lives on hard surfaces for 3 days, fabric and cardboard for 1 day, and in the air after sneeze or cough for 3 hours.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-study/coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-study-idUSKBN2143QP  
I would recommend you take the hand hygiene seriously, and I would recommend you don't meet up for lunch.
If you meet up with anyone I would recommend open air (there is increasing evidence that it's airborne for 1-3 hours after a cough), and a 6 ft radius.
Most transmissions are coming from people with no symptoms due to the 10 day infectious incubation.
Below are a couple of the best things I've read on it.
Be well, be safe.

If you look at the below image graph from last week, we are following the exact same trajectory as Italy. We have 8000 cases today. So we are in fact accelerating faster than Italy.
The second image is from the above Medium article.
If we overwhelm our healthcare system our death rate will be closer to 5%, not 1%, this is due to the fact that 5% of patients need professional help with breathing to survive.
I encourage you all to help make this curve as flat as possible. A friend of mine said it best " Don't change your behavior to not catch it. Behave like you have it and do your best to not infect others".
Everything we know indicates that we are at the beginning of this epidemic and it will take many months. Everything we can do as individuates to slow the rise of the curve will save lives.
Anyone is welcome to contact me for more information about this.
Good luck to all.

image.png
image.png

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Jhcalbany@... via Groups.Io <Jhcalbany=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Since none of the restaurants will let us eat there. How about coming to my place. I'll set up a table. Bring your own lunch & we can tell lies & criticize my boat. 1:00 Thursday? 


Re: Thursday lunch

 

Thanks for the offer, Jim, but I've got a cold, so I think I'll skip lunch Thursday.

On 3/17/2020 12:54 PM, Jim C wrote:
Since none of the restaurants will let us eat there. How about coming to my place. I'll set up a table. Bring your own lunch & we can tell lies & criticize my boat. 1:00 Thursday?
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Thursday lunch

Jhcalbany@aol.com
 

Since none of the restaurants will let us eat there. How about coming to my place. I'll set up a table. Bring your own lunch & we can tell lies & criticize my boat. 1:00 Thursday? 


Re: Navionics

George C
 

John,

I have been using ExpertGPS on my PC to look at charts, create trip plans, create waypoints and routes to be uploaded to my Garmin, and then download the tracks from the Garmin to the software. I has detailed US Nautical charts built in and you can load your own charts. Unfortunately, it only has a 30day free trial period then you have to pay $75. It seems to be a one man operation, but the owner has been good at answering my questions.





George

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 5:23:11 PM PDT, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:


What platform are you running Navionics on. Pete? Do you use a nav
program on a Real computer to set waypoints, lay out routes, and
otherwise plan your trips? Which program?

Navionics is one of the cheap nav programs we're gonna cover in the
Workshop in Toledo. It runs on Android and Apple devices. If you want to
get a head start, download it for Android here (or go to the Google Play
store on your device):

https://preview.tinyurl.com/wcen733

For Apple:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/qwqhul6

On 3/15/2020 5:01 AM, Pete L wrote:
> ...

I use Navionics
> aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm
> caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling
> around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual
> capabilities, though.
>

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never in doubt. (Eric Sevareid)


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Re: Navionics

Bob Miller
 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 5:46 PM Pete Leenhouts via Groups.Io <pleenhouts=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
John, I run Navionics on an older IPAD. I've used it since 2014. Its easy to update and easy to use. No manual, though, its all online, so I am sure I have not managed to find all of the interesting wrinkles. 

I developed a set of "standard tracks" based on RIPTIDE's draft and transit speed (5 foot actual draft, ten foot "danger" draft, 8 knot transit speed) and checked them very carefully point to point to ensure I am always in at least 50 feet of water. I include the track names in my navigation plan and double check them the night before a transit. Of course, depending on circumstances, I may depart from a planned track (usually to avoid shipping), but not very often. If I do need to change plans on the fly, I find a safe area to  lay to while developing a new track and double checking it end to end.    

I would like to figure out how to develop a circular or perhaps a rectangular operating area, so that I can wander around in that area knowing I am always in safe water. I would also like to figure out how to develop the ability for the program to show my "keep out" areas (such as those areas less than 50 feet in depth). 

I am moving to a Garmin Nav system this spring, but will continue to use Navionics as a backup. 

Interestingly, I have been trying to find a hand-held magnetic compass, but have been unsuccessful in finding one. The one I did manage to find, made of plastic, arrived broken and unrepairable, and that company is no longer in business. I would like to have the ability to navigate via charts and magnetic compass (I do have a centerline magnetic compass, but it does not have a bearing ring).  

WR/Pete
MV RIPTIDE
===================



-----Original Message-----
From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>
Cc: TSCA Puget Sound <TSCA-Puget@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 5:23 pm
Subject: [oregoncoots] Navionics

What platform are you running Navionics on. Pete? Do you use a nav
program on a Real computer to set waypoints, lay out routes, and
otherwise plan your trips? Which program?

Navionics is one of the cheap nav programs we're gonna cover in the
Workshop in Toledo. It runs on Android and Apple devices. If you want to
get a head start, download it for Android here (or go to the Google Play
store on your device):

https://preview.tinyurl.com/wcen733

For Apple:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/qwqhul6

On 3/15/2020 5:01 AM, Pete L wrote:
> ...

I use Navionics
> aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm
> caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling
> around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual
> capabilities, though.
>

--
John <jkohnen@...>
Better to trust the man who is frequently in error than the one who is
never in doubt. (Eric Sevareid)


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Canoe Sails (was: Electronics and Navigation Workshop - CANCELLED)

 

That dioes sound like a great, once in a lifetime, experience, Kirk. I don't know when they started the annual tribal "canoe journeys", but that may have been one of the early ones. Oh! I just checked the Interweb and found that the first one was in 1989, so the voyage '87 was a precursor, and perhaps an inspiration:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_Canoe_Journeys

A few years ago the Canoe Journey went to Bella Bella, which involved rounding Cape Caution. Brian was skipper of one of John McC's canoes, with a single square sail, that joined the Journey in Victoria. They got a southeaster in the Gulf of Georgia and as the canoe was flying along with the wind on its quarter he phoned John to tell him what a thrill it was -- while steering with a paddle! <g> 'Hang up and drive!" <g> One of the stories he'll tell at the Workshop, I'll bet.

IIRC, Chapelle and Adney mention in their book (or I saw it somewhere else) that the earliest records of Indian canoes with sails, on the East Coast, were rectangular spritsails, with no peak to the head. But as far as I know there are no historical records mentioning canoes with sails at first contact.

I gather from what John has told me that sails have fallen out of favor on the Canoe Journeys, and Brian is something of a pioneer in (re)introducing them.

Here are some of the canoes John McC has designed:

http://applegateboatworks.com/coastal.html

On 3/15/2020 11:10 AM, Cap'n Kirk wrote:
In regards to the comment about first nations canoe having sails. I was lucky enough to have been asked ... to help escort 26 canoes from Port Hardy, at the north > end of Vancouver Island, all the way to
the Pan Am Games in Victoria BC
in ‘87. That included escorting them through Seymore Narrows. ... > Some of
their canoes were nearly 49 ft long and yes, many carried sail, several had two masts.  Almost all were unstayed sprit rigs. ...
I don’t recall if there’s evidence that they knew about sailing prior to the arrival of the Spaniards in the 16 hundreds. Clearly Vancouver commented on them when he sailed through our waters and first spotted live first nations people at “Indian Island“  (That’s where it git it’s name) about 1776 ( as I recall).
...
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Re: Navionics

Pete Leenhouts
 

John, I run Navionics on an older IPAD. I've used it since 2014. Its easy to update and easy to use. No manual, though, its all online, so I am sure I have not managed to find all of the interesting wrinkles. 

I developed a set of "standard tracks" based on RIPTIDE's draft and transit speed (5 foot actual draft, ten foot "danger" draft, 8 knot transit speed) and checked them very carefully point to point to ensure I am always in at least 50 feet of water. I include the track names in my navigation plan and double check them the night before a transit. Of course, depending on circumstances, I may depart from a planned track (usually to avoid shipping), but not very often. If I do need to change plans on the fly, I find a safe area to  lay to while developing a new track and double checking it end to end.    

I would like to figure out how to develop a circular or perhaps a rectangular operating area, so that I can wander around in that area knowing I am always in safe water. I would also like to figure out how to develop the ability for the program to show my "keep out" areas (such as those areas less than 50 feet in depth). 

I am moving to a Garmin Nav system this spring, but will continue to use Navionics as a backup. 

Interestingly, I have been trying to find a hand-held magnetic compass, but have been unsuccessful in finding one. The one I did manage to find, made of plastic, arrived broken and unrepairable, and that company is no longer in business. I would like to have the ability to navigate via charts and magnetic compass (I do have a centerline magnetic compass, but it does not have a bearing ring).  

WR/Pete
MV RIPTIDE
===================



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From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>
Cc: TSCA Puget Sound <TSCA-Puget@groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2020 5:23 pm
Subject: [oregoncoots] Navionics

What platform are you running Navionics on. Pete? Do you use a nav
program on a Real computer to set waypoints, lay out routes, and
otherwise plan your trips? Which program?

Navionics is one of the cheap nav programs we're gonna cover in the
Workshop in Toledo. It runs on Android and Apple devices. If you want to
get a head start, download it for Android here (or go to the Google Play
store on your device):

https://preview.tinyurl.com/wcen733

For Apple:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/qwqhul6

On 3/15/2020 5:01 AM, Pete L wrote:
> ...

I use Navionics
> aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm
> caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling
> around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual
> capabilities, though.
>

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never in doubt. (Eric Sevareid)


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Navionics

 

What platform are you running Navionics on. Pete? Do you use a nav program on a Real computer to set waypoints, lay out routes, and otherwise plan your trips? Which program?

Navionics is one of the cheap nav programs we're gonna cover in the Workshop in Toledo. It runs on Android and Apple devices. If you want to get a head start, download it for Android here (or go to the Google Play store on your device):

https://preview.tinyurl.com/wcen733

For Apple:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/qwqhul6

On 3/15/2020 5:01 AM, Pete L wrote:
...
I use Navionics
aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual capabilities, though.
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Re: Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

 

We'll try real hard to have the Workshop in Toledo on May 30th, or at least before the Salish 100. There's no good substitute for doing it in in real time and in person.

If the d***ed Virus keeps us cooped up and unable to do the Real Workshop we'll try something different.

On 3/15/2020 9:55 AM, Dan from Almostcanda wrote:
Earl is absuhtootely correct for some of us “discovery learners.”  But, I’m wondering if this could be done with a video format or even the now-antediluvian conference call setup.  My wife talks to the kids with something called facetime.  I sometimes stop and wave.  But, she doesn’t usually let me touch anything, considering what I’ve been doing with those fingers somewhat recently—no not THAT, grease, pox, you-know-what.  Anyhow, could somebody smarter than me (Pete, John?) put something like that together?  From a new foot of snow out the shop wind’er, Dan.
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Re: Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

Dan
 

Earl is absuhtootely correct for some of us “discovery learners.”  But, I’m wondering if this could be done with a video format or even the now-antediluvian conference call setup.  My wife talks to the kids with something called facetime.  I sometimes stop and wave.  But, she doesn’t usually let me touch anything, considering what I’ve been doing with those fingers somewhat recently—no not THAT, grease, pox, you-know-what.  Anyhow, could somebody smarter than me (Pete, John?) put something like that together?  From a new foot of snow out the shop wind’er, Dan.


Re: Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

Richard Green
 

A beautiful restoration!!  Thank you.

Rich

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:01 AM, Pete Leenhouts via Groups.Io <pleenhouts@...> wrote:

Claire, I can't claim to be an expert (laughing), but after a couple of months of quarantine, I might be able to simulate one! I use Navionics aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual capabilities, though.  

WR/Pete
MV RIPTIDE (a classic bridge deck cruiser, built in 1927 by the Schertzer Brothers)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>; TSCA-Puget <TSCA-Puget@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

That's great Pete,
do you want to be an expert or ask a question...or both.  <g>
cheers
C

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:47 AM Pete Leenhouts via Groups.Io <pleenhouts=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
works for me! 

WR/Pete Leenhouts


-----Original Message-----
From: Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Electronics and Navigation Workshop - CANCELLED

Hey Coots,
since it looks like staying home is a good way to stay healthy, and since we all have computer access (or we wouldn't be here) what about taking the electronics workshop on-line?  Would the pre-enlisted experts be willing to try it that way?  Would folks with questions be willing to post them on the forum?  I hope the answer is yes, and I hope that all workshop 'traffic' will be cc'ed to the TSCA-Puget forum as well, we all want to learn.
cheers
and
stay well
Claire
Stay afloat with current events....visit Traditional Small Craft Association - Puget Sound's website:
http://www.tscapuget.org
Claire Acord


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:28 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Due to concerns about the Coronavirus the Workshop scheduled for next
Saturday, the 21st, in Toledo has been postponed. At this time I've set
a TENTATIVE new date for the Workshop on May 30th. I hope things settle
down by then, but if not we'll still try to do the workshop sometime
before the Salish 100. If the virus is still disrupting everything as
the Salish 100 approaches there probably won't be a Salish 100 this
year... <Sigh>

Take care of yourselves, and wash your hands!

--
John <jkohnen@...>
Any boy who does not read and enjoy Slocum's "Sailing Alone" should be
drowned immediately. (Arthur Ransome)


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Re: Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

Pete Leenhouts
 

Claire, I can't claim to be an expert (laughing), but after a couple of months of quarantine, I might be able to simulate one! I use Navionics aboard RIPTIDE, and have found it to be excellent for my uses. I'm caught between wishing I had an instruction book and/or just fooling around with it to figure out some of the more interesting and unusual capabilities, though.  

WR/Pete
MV RIPTIDE (a classic bridge deck cruiser, built in 1927 by the Schertzer Brothers)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>; TSCA-Puget <TSCA-Puget@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Electronics and Navigation Workshop - online?

That's great Pete,
do you want to be an expert or ask a question...or both.  <g>
cheers
C

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:47 AM Pete Leenhouts via Groups.Io <pleenhouts=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
works for me! 

WR/Pete Leenhouts


-----Original Message-----
From: Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@...>
To: oregoncoots <oregoncoots@groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Electronics and Navigation Workshop - CANCELLED

Hey Coots,
since it looks like staying home is a good way to stay healthy, and since we all have computer access (or we wouldn't be here) what about taking the electronics workshop on-line?  Would the pre-enlisted experts be willing to try it that way?  Would folks with questions be willing to post them on the forum?  I hope the answer is yes, and I hope that all workshop 'traffic' will be cc'ed to the TSCA-Puget forum as well, we all want to learn.
cheers
and
stay well
Claire
Stay afloat with current events....visit Traditional Small Craft Association - Puget Sound's website:
http://www.tscapuget.org
Claire Acord


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:28 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Due to concerns about the Coronavirus the Workshop scheduled for next
Saturday, the 21st, in Toledo has been postponed. At this time I've set
a TENTATIVE new date for the Workshop on May 30th. I hope things settle
down by then, but if not we'll still try to do the workshop sometime
before the Salish 100. If the virus is still disrupting everything as
the Salish 100 approaches there probably won't be a Salish 100 this
year... <Sigh>

Take care of yourselves, and wash your hands!

--
John <jkohnen@...>
Any boy who does not read and enjoy Slocum's "Sailing Alone" should be
drowned immediately. (Arthur Ransome)


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