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Re: Depth finder info. needed

 

I'd been told that you should never run a depthfinder with the transducer out of the water, because they don't like that and might stop working in protest, but the guy in the Hawkeye video doesn't seem the least bit concerned. <shrug> The baggy full of water trick looks like a good way to test different locations in the boat, if it's fiberglass or aluminum, or even to see if the transducer will work through a thin plywood bottom.

https://youtu.be/22SzRXa21hg

With the low water in the local Mudhole this year maybe I should add a depthfinder to Tuffy's equipment before putting her in the water. <g>

On 5/15/2020 7:31 AM, john a wrote:
Just a couple of notes to add to John's comments.  My experience with water boxes is with fiberglass hulls, including bigger boats with substantial hull thickness.
I have never had a problem with a water box mounted transducer except with one of those cheap sounders with the small round dial.  A quality 'fish finder' type works fine and is good for the depths we normally run in around here.  Depth range should not be an issue, but if you want 60-100 fathom range you need to pay attention to the transducer power output and frequency.
A good water box can be made from a plastic pipe fitting with a screw cap.  What ever you use be sure to have a way to get the water box full and vent out all the air so it can't get bubbles when the boat moves about.
John's method sounds fine and if you are concerned about strength laminate in some layers of fiberglass cloth in your 'epoxy plug'.  Just be sure to fully saturate the cloth.
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If Phil Bolger Had Designed an Airplane

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blohm_%26_Voss_BV_141

Symmetry is overrated... <g>

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Re: Depth finder info. needed

johnacord
 

Just a couple of notes to add to John's comments.  My experience with water boxes is with fiberglass hulls, including bigger boats with substantial hull thickness.

I have never had a problem with a water box mounted transducer except with one of those cheap sounders with the small round dial.  A quality 'fish finder' type works fine and is good for the depths we normally run in around here.  Depth range should not be an issue, but if you want 60-100 fathom range you need to pay attention to the transducer power output and frequency.

A good water box can be made from a plastic pipe fitting with a screw cap.  What ever you use be sure to have a way to get the water box full and vent out all the air so it can't get bubbles when the boat moves about. 

John's method sounds fine and if you are concerned about strength laminate in some layers of fiberglass cloth in your 'epoxy plug'.  Just be sure to fully saturate the cloth.

John A.


Re: Depth finder info. needed

 

Cut through the plywood bottom from the top, until you reach the fiberglass sheathing, making a hole larger than the size of the transducer. Then fill the hole with epoxy. The transducer will shoot right through solid epoxy and glass. Then mount a bottomless jar, or homemade reservoir of some sort, on top of the epoxy, put the transducer in it and fill it with mineral oil. Seal up the top of the jar around the cable to the transducer, and Robert's your mother's brother. :o)

If you think you might not need to easily replace the transducer someday, instead of a jar, make a stiff epoxy putty and put a healthy glob on top of the filled hole, then squoosh the transducer down into it, being careful to be sure there are no gaps or bubbles between the transducer and putty.

https://youtu.be/22SzRXa21hg

I've read of people mounting transducers inside _thin_ plywood bottoms without using the epoxy filled hole trick, and they worked, though with a loss of range. But who of us worries about whether our depthfinder only works to 175 ft. instead of 200 ft.? <g> You can do some experiments before cutting anything.

On 5/14/2020 6:27 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
PS -- How about a small "Bolger Bulge" under the bow, in wood and glass, with a flush mount transducer in just the trailing edge a bit ??  Just now occurred to me, but would prefer a non bulge solution.  I can't be the only one who wants an early warning for exposed lower units.  Thanks,  Cal
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Re: Depth finder info. needed

Electri-Cal
 

PS -- How about a small "Bolger Bulge" under the bow, in wood and glass, with a flush mount transducer in just the trailing edge a bit ??  Just now occurred to me, but would prefer a non bulge solution.  I can't be the only one who wants an early warning for exposed lower units.   Thanks,  Cal 


Depth finder info. needed

Electri-Cal
 

In trying to protect my twin props solidly mounted, I "cooked" up an idea or two.  I redid the bracket on the stern to swivel forward far enough to catch underwater stuff, IF -- I can interpret the screen angles !!   First, has anybody else tried this forward facing pickup, I haven't been in the water yet so I don't have a clue.  I really need a way to put a Humminbird sensor in the forward inside of the hull, behind the area that hits the beach first, gotta be inside or flush to the flat bottomed hull.

Next is the "rumor" that a clear bottomed plastic jar with mineral oil will show through a plastic hull ??  Not sure about that either.  I was told that wood stops reading anything, plywood has glue lines , etc.  However I could, "SHUDDER" drill a 3 inch hole and insert a fitted bottle with mineral oil much further forward to look down much more as intended.  Sure would like some input on possible ways to see the drt -- before the props encounter it about 16 feet  later.  John Kohnen and I stirred some red mud at Triangle lake last time, an early warning would help a lot.  Even at 5 mph stuff seems to rush right up to those props.

Help, any experienced info, really needed before I Try something stupid,  thanks,   Cal 


Re: Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

Richard Green
 

All depends on the build quality. A proper build job is way less maintenance than a poor job. You’re sure right about mooring year ‘round and the need to drive affecting usage and maintenance.

Rich

On May 14, 2020, at 12:14 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

A bargain for someone who knows what they're getting into: A big wooden boat that needs to be kept in the water, so it costs money all year long, even when you're not using it, and if the place you've got it docked isn't nearby you won't use it much. It's out in the weather all the time, so there's plenty of maintenance. Then there's catching up on the damage caused by the neglect of previous owners who tired of keeping a big wooden boat...

I'm really glad I didn't have a place to moor that catboat. ;o) I'll stick to trying to keep my boat dreams to what I can tow with my four-cylinder pickup. <g>

That looks like a nice catboat. I sure hope it found a good home with someone who'll treat it right.

On 5/13/2020 7:46 PM, Rich G wrote:
A bargain for sure!!

That Brewer cat ended up selling for $2,600! If only I'd had a place to keep it. <sigh> I hope it went to a good home.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC
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Re: Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

 

A bargain for someone who knows what they're getting into: A big wooden boat that needs to be kept in the water, so it costs money all year long, even when you're not using it, and if the place you've got it docked isn't nearby you won't use it much. It's out in the weather all the time, so there's plenty of maintenance. Then there's catching up on the damage caused by the neglect of previous owners who tired of keeping a big wooden boat...

I'm really glad I didn't have a place to moor that catboat. ;o) I'll stick to trying to keep my boat dreams to what I can tow with my four-cylinder pickup. <g>

That looks like a nice catboat. I sure hope it found a good home with someone who'll treat it right.

On 5/13/2020 7:46 PM, Rich G wrote:
A bargain for sure!!

That Brewer cat ended up selling for $2,600! If only I'd had a place to keep it. <sigh> I hope it went to a good home.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC
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Re: Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

Gerard Mittelstaedt
 

someone got a good deal.
- GM.


On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
A bargain for sure!!

Rich

> On May 13, 2020, at 7:46 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
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> That Brewer cat ended up selling for $2,600! If only I'd had a place to keep it. <sigh> I hope it went to a good home.
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> On 5/9/2020 4:00 PM, I wrote:
>> Scott Coleman called me with a tip on an interesting sailboat: a 2005 homebuilt 22' Ted Brewer catboat for sale on eBay by a charity. Latest bid $1,150.
>> ... https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8tg7nlo
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>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC
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Re: Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

Richard Green
 

A bargain for sure!!

Rich

On May 13, 2020, at 7:46 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

That Brewer cat ended up selling for $2,600! If only I'd had a place to keep it. <sigh> I hope it went to a good home.

On 5/9/2020 4:00 PM, I wrote:
Scott Coleman called me with a tip on an interesting sailboat: a 2005 homebuilt 22' Ted Brewer catboat for sale on eBay by a charity. Latest bid $1,150.
... https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8tg7nlo
or
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC
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Re: Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

 

That Brewer cat ended up selling for $2,600! If only I'd had a place to keep it. <sigh> I hope it went to a good home.

On 5/9/2020 4:00 PM, I wrote:
Scott Coleman called me with a tip on an interesting sailboat: a 2005 homebuilt 22' Ted Brewer catboat for sale on eBay by a charity. Latest bid $1,150.
... https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8tg7nlo
or
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC
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Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

 

Are you saying that Mark has a closetful of the original Atlas of Oregon Lakes? <g> I the decades since mark worked on the original they've moved into the 21st century and gone online. But it looks like they've "deproved" the interfacxe since the last time I was there <sigh>:

https://oregonlakesatlas.org/

https://oregonlakesatlas.org/map?lake=17070301000863

On 5/12/2020 9:23 AM, David G wrote:
I'd have said 'infamous'... but you could be right.
Not only that... ask him about about his published cartogrophy regarding Oregon Lakes. Might even still have some for sale!!
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Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

Case Turner
 

I went to Paulina lakes wiki and it referenced the same atlas but did not not reference Mark. 

Sent from not here

On May 12, 2020, at 9:23 AM, David Graybeal via groups.io <harbordavid@...> wrote:



I'd have said 'infamous'... but you could be right.

 

Not only that... ask him about about his published cartogrophy regarding Oregon Lakes. Might even still have some for sale!!


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Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

Mark Neuhaus
 

Famous or infamous, it's still the same thing. I can't get no respect.  :-)

I was a research assistant at PSU for my graduate degree and the project was funded by the federal Clean Water Act, funneled through DEQ.  We ended up publishing a volume called Atlas of Oregon Lakes, which is long out of print. And all profits from that book went into a fund at PSU and they are now producing an online and updated version, if I recall correctly. 

And, yes, I do have a couple of the original books, as they gave each of us a few.  And I remember giving one to the Coots library, although I don't remember who took charge of it when we were at Paulina Lake one year.


Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

David Graybeal
 

I'd have said 'infamous'... but you could be right.

 

Not only that... ask him about about his published cartogrophy regarding Oregon Lakes. Might even still have some for sale!!


Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

Myles Twete
 

Cool!

And I thought all there was to say about Hosmer is something like “lake’s got weeds---lots of ‘em!” J.

 

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Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Mark Neuhaus is famous!

 

 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:07 AM Case Turner via groups.io <casesturner=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Was reading the Wikipedia on Hosmer lake this morning. When I got down to the References section there was a familiar Coots name! Our Own Mark Neuhaus!

 


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Re: Mark Neuhaus is famous!

Case Turner
 

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:07 AM Case Turner via groups.io <casesturner=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Was reading the Wikipedia on Hosmer lake this morning. When I got down to the References section there was a familiar Coots name! Our Own Mark Neuhaus!


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Mark Neuhaus is famous!

Case Turner
 

Was reading the Wikipedia on Hosmer lake this morning. When I got down to the References section there was a familiar Coots name! Our Own Mark Neuhaus!


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Big Catboat 4 Sale in Astoria

 

Scott Coleman called me with a tip on an interesting sailboat: a 2005 homebuilt 22' Ted Brewer catboat for sale on eBay by a charity. Latest bid $1,150.

"It is a Ted Brewer Cat Boat design. The builder bought the design and built it to specs in 2005. It is a wooden boat built with marine plywood and oak, complete with brass window frames and fixtures. The cabin is spacious for a 22 ft. Boat with padded benches, an insulated fridge, a sink, grill, propane fireplace for heat, and while there is no toilet, it has the space for it. It has a middle table that folds down for extra space. The keel is retractable to make it easy to ride up onto a beach if desired. The rudder is protected for that purpose as well. The cockpit holds 8 people comfortably. According to the previous owner the boat sails easily even in a light breeze. The previous owner owned a sailboat charter company in Portland, OR . Some light rot in the edge of the roof of the cabin. Not extensive, and the roof over it has been fixed so there is no leaking. The ceiling of the cabin has a small leak coming from the above window which opens. No major issues to note.

"Yanmar diesel Engine is flawless and runs like a champ, was started and ran on 5/2/20"

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y8tg7nlo

or

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2005-Ted-Brewer-Cat-Boat-22ft-Sailboat-Yanmar-Diesel-TRULY-BEAUTIFUL-Astoria-OR/313074907448?hash=item48e4b7f938:g:VhkAAOSwZE9es2sC

22' doesn't sound very Big, but this boat has a 10' beam, so it is indeed Big. You aren't gonna be trailering this around feom lake to lake for daysailing. <g> But it could be a great boat for someone who has a place to keep and use it.


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Toledo Wooden Boat Show -- CANCELLED

 

Thursday the Guv extended a ban on large events until October, so NO Toledo Boat Show. <sigh>

The Coot messabout at Fern Ridge is also cancelled, as well as the Electronics and Radio Workshop at the end of this month. We'll try again with the Workshop someday... It might end up being a winter event.

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