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Re: Underwater Lights and -- an added MK adaptor prop note !!!

 

The bright light will probably just bounce back off the silt and algae, just like bright lights do when driving in fog. I wonder if the infrared sensors will see right through the muck...

You mean that you adapted an 80 lb. thrust propeller to a 40 lb. thrust motor? Hook up an ammeter before doing any tests, so you can see if you're overtaxing the motor.

Myles boat is a Scamp. Yep, he bought one instead of building from a kit. <g> He's got a slip at Mercer Lake.

Have fun!

On 8/7/2020 8:34 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
As an dddition, I have a 60 led high power underwater light coming in. Billed as a fishing green tinted bait attractant, I thought it might also cut through the crud if I needed more light down there.  Ordered that before I trashed the first set up, darn it.  Might be a workable on the next one, but might not need it -- with infrared and a LOT of lights, who knows??  I can drop the big light, than lower the TV type to see if anything helps.  This just for fun, research only --- obviously not doing all this mess when heading at a shore line.
You'all will love this!!  I finally got the larger Minn kota  80 lb push, two blade prop adapted to the 40 hp size shaft, and  Working on good clearance with case edges . Now a bit  more push is expected.  Also will be making one for the bigger 3 bladed Kipawa 80 lb to a 40 size transom mount, shaft -- with care to not overload the motor.  Making a control panel for that too.  Stay tuned, as I'm looking for more push at slower speeds -- but using a commonly available motor size.  Stay tuned for that also, Charlie and I came up with this for Myles boat, on the coast with a gusty and windy lake. . Yeah, some concern about a mount that will take the extra side torque with this.
Later, Got more to do Huff, Puff !! -----  Cal
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Re: Underwater Vision Update

 

1 1/2 props, and counting... ;o) But you're having fun. :o)

Charley knows a fellow whose family owned some property that's now at the bottom of Fern Ridge. May be a Richardson, I don't recall. Anyway, he told Charley that when They finished building the dam in 1941 They abandoned a steam locomotive in what's now the deepest part of the lake, by the spillway -- "the part where it's a hundred feet deep." Hmmm... Methinks the tale might have grown in the telling. <g> Maybe some equipment was abandoned on the future lakebed, but over the years the size of that equipment, and the depth, have grown significantly. ;o)

https://oregonlakesatlas.org/lake/17090003017645#text-section

On 8/7/2020 8:09 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Hi, John -- Yep so far I could have bought 1 1/2 props for those bucks. ...
Charlies friend had what equipment to use?? ...
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Re: Good Girl For Sale

 

Congratulations, Josh and Rose.

Here's a bit of advice that's not just for newbies to sailing -- if Good Girl doesn't have telltales on the jib, at least, put some on. Telltales let you see how the wind is flowing over the sails before the sail begins to luff, or you notice a loss of power from the sail stalling. Basically, when sailing above a broad reach, you want the jib telltales to stream back on both sides of the sail, then trim the main so it's just not luffing. or if it's got luff telltales they're steaming on both sides. Everybody is a better sailor with telltales, no matter what some old salts might say. <g>

"Some old salts refer to telltales as training wheels, preferring instead to watch the luffs of their sails as a guide to trimming sails and steering the boat. Yet telltales provide a far more accurate indication of optimum sail trim and course to steer than do the sails themselves. Not using them is like relying on your senses of hearing, touch and smell rather than your engine gauges to determine if your engine is operating efficiently."

http://www.jasperandbailey.com/tech/news.html

http://www.wyc.org.uk/fevanationals/docs/luff_telltales.pdf

http://www.jasperandbailey.com/tech/news.html

On 8/7/2020 5:53 AM, Toledo wrote:
Greetings All,
Good Girl has new caretakers. Recent Coots members Rose and Josh Mead took ownership on Thursday.   Good Girl will be staying in Eugene and on Fern Ridge until the water runs out. Rose and Josh are experienced boaters, but new to sailing. I'm sure they will be having a lot of fun on this new adventure. There may be opportunities for some of our members to offer them advice on their new journey.
Thank you all for the many inquiries.
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Underwater Lights and -- an added MK adaptor prop note !!!

Electri-Cal
 

As an dddition, I have a 60 led high power underwater light coming in.  Billed as a fishing green tinted bait attractant, I thought it might also cut through the crud if I needed more light down there.  Ordered that before I trashed the first set up, darn it.  Might be a workable on the next one, but might not need it -- with infrared and a LOT of lights, who knows??  I can drop the big light, than lower the TV type to see if anything helps.  This just for fun, research only --- obviously not doing all this mess when heading at a shore line.  

You'all will love this!!  I finally got the larger Minn kota  80 lb push, two blade prop adapted to the 40 hp size shaft, and  Working on good clearance with case edges . Now a bit  more push is expected.  Also will be making one for the bigger 3 bladed Kipawa 80 lb to a 40 size transom mount, shaft -- with care to not overload the motor.  Making a control panel for that too.  Stay tuned, as I'm looking for more push at slower speeds -- but using a commonly available motor size.  Stay tuned for that also, Charlie and I came up with this for Myles boat, on the coast with a gusty and windy lake. . Yeah, some concern about a mount that will take the extra side torque with this.


Later, Got more to do Huff, Puff !! -----  Cal                       


Re: Underwater Vision Update

Electri-Cal
 

Hi, John -- Yep so far I could have bought 1 1/2 props for those bucks.  Would like to nsee below that summer algae cloud though.  Yes, you did do that, thanks back at you for the heads up.  However, i'm not one to be deterred without a bit more checking.  Charlies friend had what equipment to use??  Mine did not work as well as hoped, partly because not enough light source.  Then I broke the lens, and stopped the whole operation, but I did learn that you cannot see without a bigger unit and better vision.  I found one with both regular and NIGHT VISION sensors, more money but could make it all better, or not !!  For the cost, I need a good idea that will work, gotta pay to play.  Bigger sensor, more light is Probably Better from 1 ft down ??

Too bad the bigger unit I bought -- that comes in 3 plug in parts is a non starter, nobody can seem to get a picture on the screen, ---  defective, accidental short, trial and misplugging, factory defect, stupidity  or other ???  I do have a 12 volt lab power source, so I can bench test, an important part when looking at different systems to install later in the boat.

I now know a forward facing very small 3/8 inch tube depth finder most likely will not work, so a  bigger and brighter camers is the next "look see" with more research added.  I will probably mount it on the side where I can lower, and raise it easier.  I would like a sender that wirelessly transmits to my phone, but then I would probably have the stereo bluetooth sound system interfering with the depth signal.  The electric motor power is hard on the depth finder as it is, starts overloading the screen with static at over lower trolling speeds.


Re: Good Girl For Sale

Joe Novello
 

Greetings All,

Good Girl has new caretakers. Recent Coots members Rose and Josh Mead took ownership on Thursday.   Good Girl will be staying in Eugene and on Fern Ridge until the water runs out. Rose and Josh are experienced boaters, but new to sailing. I'm sure they will be having a lot of fun on this new adventure. There may be opportunities for some of our members to offer them advice on their new journey.  

Thank you all for the many inquiries.

Joe



On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joe Novello <joenovello3@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I’m sure some of you know this boat. Andrew Linn spent a lot of time really sprucing her up with new rigging and a new weighted centerboard.  I’ve had the boat just about a year and have kept her up with new varnish, sparfly and some lines. 

COVID happened and the Salish 100 didn’t, which is what I bought the boat for. I’ve been sailing it in Eugene and have the slip there for another month.  I’m selling the boat for what I paid $1200 which is a fantastic deal.   I’m posting it here before I do a blitz on the internet. It would be cool for one of our own crew to get it.  

Good Girl is a Neptune 16. You can find out all kinds of information about her on the internet, or contact me if you have any questions.  I’ll say it is one of the easiest boats I’ve ever sailed and unbelievably stable - I can stand on the rail, even with the board up and it hardly lists.  It’s just a fantastic boat.  

Please respond to me: joenovello3@... if you are interested.  


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Re: Lower Columbia River info

Claire Acord
 

Mark and John,
could you maybe put an editable PDF or some such document up on the Coots page to allow others to add their experiences/edits?
kind of crowd sourcing for voyagers?
cheers
Claire


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On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 8:52 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
If you aren't a practicing HTML nerd, Mark, you can send the info to me
and I'll make it fit into the old-fashioned style of the coots.org pages.

I do my Web pages "by hand" in a text editor, but I've got a lot of
boiler plate that makes it easier.

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>     Are you an HTML nerd, Mark?
>
>
>   Back at the dawning of the web, writing html was pretty simple and I
> did some stuff using notepad and other text editors. Nowadays, it's way
> too complicated and I have no need to write pages, so haven't bothered
> to keep up with the coding. I guess I'm a retired nerd?

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Re: Underwater Vision Update

 

How many broken propellers could you have replaced with the money you're spending on your underwater vision project? ;o)

I know, I know, the fun of playing around with the gadgets is priceless. :o)

I think I warned you that when you got the underwater camera working you'd go searching for clear lakes. <g> It's not algae that make Fern Ridge opaque. There's a lot of fine clay that gets suspended in the water, so even in that deep spot by the dam where Charley's friend says the abandoned locomotive lies you can't see anything.

On 8/4/2020 6:12 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
AARGH !!  I made a mount for holding the sensor on a pole underwater, another trial rig for dry mounting through the hull, with the syn. sapphire watch chrystal lens,  The sensor// camera pickup got lodged in the mount, s I carefully CRACKED the built in lens.  Now to decide if I want to try that again, or go for the as advertised "fishing " camera which is over an inch bigger.  It does have regular and infrared lights for night vision, a very tempting thought for the extra bucks.  Bigger screen, longer range, etc., so if I wanted to start over it basically is another unit, that is more bucks.  Thinking about that  more versatile drop tube or flip up holder for better access without holes or through hull mounts, stay tuned as I will get this set to show those pesky rocks and stuff that eats props.  DARN< DARN< DARN !!!
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Re: Lower Columbia River info

 

If you aren't a practicing HTML nerd, Mark, you can send the info to me and I'll make it fit into the old-fashioned style of the coots.org pages.

I do my Web pages "by hand" in a text editor, but I've got a lot of boiler plate that makes it easier.

On 8/5/2020 5:24 PM, Mark N wrote:
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Are you an HTML nerd, Mark?  Back at the dawning of the web, writing html was pretty simple and I did some stuff using notepad and other text editors. Nowadays, it's way too complicated and I have no need to write pages, so haven't bothered to keep up with the coding. I guess I'm a retired nerd?
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Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi John,

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I'll gladly make you Columbia River cruising info available on coots.org.

Thanks much. We'll see if it's worth posting. :-)

 
Are you an HTML nerd, Mark? 

 Back at the dawning of the web, writing html was pretty simple and I did some stuff using notepad and other text editors. Nowadays, it's way too complicated and I have no need to write pages, so haven't bothered to keep up with the coding. I guess I'm a retired nerd?

Mark



Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi Claire,

On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@...> wrote:

compiling this information is a great service to all us boaters, please let me know if there is anything I can help you with.

Thanks for the offer.  I'm figuring to compile information on all the sites I've seen referenced in the various sources I mentioned and then post that and have anyone with interest edit it.  Will take some time, I am assuming. Concentrating now on the possible places for the Portland area cruise that John mentioned for September.  Sort of a beta test. I'll keep folks posted.

Mark


Re: Underwater Vision Update

Electri-Cal
 

AARGH !!  I made a mount for holding the sensor on a pole underwater, another trial rig for dry mounting through the hull, with the syn. sapphire watch chrystal lens,  The sensor// camera pickup got lodged in the mount, s I carefully CRACKED the built in lens.  Now to decide if I want to try that again, or go for the as advertised "fishing " camera which is over an inch bigger.  It does have regular and infrared lights for night vision, a very tempting thought for the extra bucks.  Bigger screen, longer range, etc., so if I wanted to start over it basically is another unit, that is more bucks.  Thinking about that  more versatile drop tube or flip up holder for better access without holes or through hull mounts, stay tuned as I will get this set to show those pesky rocks and stuff that eats props.  DARN< DARN< DARN !!!

Later,   Cal


Re: Lower Columbia River info

 

I'll gladly make you Columbia River cruising info available on coots.org. Are you an HTML nerd, Mark? <g>

On 8/3/2020 10:13 AM, Mark N wrote:
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I will> upload my data in a message and maybe it will be a benefit to
all of us.
Maybe even have a page on coots.org <http://coots.org> that has info from other folks' travels?
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Non-Powered Coast Boating Opportunity This Weekend

 

If you want an excuse to do some rowing or paddling at the Coast there's a swimming non-event at Eel Lake that could use some safety escorts. Ralph Mohr wrote:

"This weekend, Aug. 8-9, was supposed to be the Eel Lake open water swims, which, of course, have been cancelled. However, a few masters swimmers from various parts of the state, Portland, Corvallis, Bend, are coming to Eel Lake anyway. There will two semi-formal swims, Saturday and Sunday, 9 AM, starting from our usual spot to the north of the boat ramp. We will keep our distance in and out of the water, but we will start as a group. Kayakers and paddle boarders as safety escorts are welcome, too. Come and join us.

"Ralph

"P.S. Water temp the last time I measured it at Eel was 71.9 F."

Eel Lake is north of Tenmile Lakes, between Reedsport and North Bend:

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/CoastLakes/EelMap.png

https://oregonlakesatlas.org/lake/17100304000654#text-section

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Re: Lower Columbia River info

Claire Acord
 

Mark,
compiling this information is a great service to all us boaters, please let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
cheers
and
stay healthy
Claire

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:33 AM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
Hi Elaine,

On Monday, August 3, 2020, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:

If you make your information so we can reference it that would be so helpful.

At this point, I am gathering all points of interest as waypoints in a .gpx file.  I plan to have a database/spreadsheet also. And if I wanted to get real ambitious, I could make up a webpage with all pertinent info shown there. Time will tell.

 I like your new boat.

Thanks.  I'm looking forward to more comfortable accommodations than I had in Moonlit Turtle. But I got a lot to learn about docking and handling it in tight spaces, due to the inside helm. I don't mind the dings in my boat, but other folks may not be glad to see me approaching.....   :-)

Mark


Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi Elaine,

On Monday, August 3, 2020, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:

If you make your information so we can reference it that would be so helpful.

At this point, I am gathering all points of interest as waypoints in a .gpx file.  I plan to have a database/spreadsheet also. And if I wanted to get real ambitious, I could make up a webpage with all pertinent info shown there. Time will tell.

 I like your new boat.

Thanks.  I'm looking forward to more comfortable accommodations than I had in Moonlit Turtle. But I got a lot to learn about docking and handling it in tight spaces, due to the inside helm. I don't mind the dings in my boat, but other folks may not be glad to see me approaching.....   :-)

Mark


Underwater Vision Update

Electri-Cal
 

Great morning at Fern Ridge res.,  All systems go, at last, time to check out the camera in the green water,  Nope, not going to show anything that is not green and fuzzy.  If it was on a 20 foot pole the camera might get down there below the salad.  But that is not the purpose, so I guess unless the water is clear this is not of interest.  Couldn't pick up the red hull at a foot away, but at the $ 35. price I didn;t expect wide screen and stereo.  The wide screen $ 25. auto camera still is not working, several wiring questions and "is it that underwater sealed" is still a valid question.  If it doesn't even turn on or show life, it's not a player anyhow.  I have a 2 ft. pole with a mount, but need to make a way longer one to get below the algi line, maybe??

The problem is that the dedicated units are not nearly as small and easy to hide in a snag free mount on the center line !!!  Sooo , I plan to get  the larger size and spend the bucks, then make a mount that is located where I can get to it for docking or cleaning or adjusting the range.  That looks to be some trouble to get right, and cost several times more than my  current one, possibly still will not see that much better.  The cost is a lot more, but maybe be a more workable solution.

HOWEVER -- one or a couple tries furthur first..  Looking at going to the clearer lakes, with the sensor set into a pole that can get lower under water.  That way I can check the visability better, sure as heck needs to be better than today.  So, long story short, I will see if another clearer water location will be better, or if boat movement is just too much for these smaller and easier to mount units.  Would be nice to get better answers before I chip in bigger bucks.

So -- don't buy one of these things yet, if they can't produce a good photo of obstructions it might  be a waste.  I'm still hoping for more that zero success, but not on algi filled lakes, eh ??   Can;t mount inside depth "pucks" on a wood boat without holes or tubes, or unusual mounts faired into the hull.plus the cone of pickup areas still don't point forward to work well.

All the best, stay tuned,   Cal



   


Re: Good Girl For Sale

Josh
 

Rose and I are very interested, we've been looking at an oday daysailer but it's really more of a race boat than we prefer. We're off work on Thursday and Friday, any chance of seeing her?


Re: Lower Columbia River info

elaineginader
 

Hi Mark,
If you make your information so we can reference it that would be so helpful. I like your new boat.
Elaine

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 10:13 AM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
Thank you Allen and Myles for the information.  I have copies of several older State and private publications, videos, and downloaded websites. Many have out-dated info which I hope to update. At some point, I will upload my data in a message and maybe it will be a benefit to all of us. Maybe even have a page on coots.org that has info from other folks' travels?


Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Thank you Allen and Myles for the information.  I have copies of several older State and private publications, videos, and downloaded websites. Many have out-dated info which I hope to update. At some point, I will upload my data in a message and maybe it will be a benefit to all of us. Maybe even have a page on coots.org that has info from other folks' travels?