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Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi John,

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:50 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

You do know that Sam McKinney took several years and more than one boat
to do what he wrote about in Reach of Tide? ;o)

I know he took three boats and a few years to complete his "Sailing Uphill" journey to the east coast.  But I just finished re-reading "Reach of Tide" and it felt like one boat, one trip.  Maybe I gotta stop reading in bed.  :-)
 
I recommend taking your time and not rushing to reach a destination. But
then I always do... <g> (see sig)

Yep, you had a great sig, as always.  And I figured between Sam's books, library books, Coots' knowledge, youtube videos, and several webpages, I could compile a list of good places to visit for their history, scenic value, or worthwhile anchorage. 
 
Mark


Re: Fern Ridge Monday Socially-Distanced Mini-Messabout?

 

Elevenish.

On July 27, 2020 6:30:23 AM PDT, Toledo Joe wrote:
I’m camping at Richardson through Thursday. Any idea what time anyone
is
coming down? I’ll be watching for a coot or two.
Cal is gonna take Surprise to Richardson Park for some testing. Alas,
he
didn't say just when. <sigh> Keep your eyes peeled for more
details...
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Re: Fern Ridge Monday Socially-Distanced Mini-Messabout?

cherrill boissonou
 

Joe, 
Earl Boissonou here......I’m coming down wed around 10am to haul out Dr. Petra. I’m taking her to Newport for the month of aug.
See you, Earl


On Jul 27, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Joe Novello <joenovello3@...> wrote:

I’m camping at Richardson through Thursday. Any idea what time anyone is coming down?  I’ll be watching for a coot or two. 

Joe 

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:30 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Cal is gonna take Surprise to Richardson Park for some testing. Alas, he
didn't say just when. <sigh> Keep your eyes peeled for more details...

"Thinking of looking at a few details on Surprise, top off charge, and
head for Richardson docks tomorrow.  If there are any others out there
and on line, might be a good time to grab a visit ??  Last Friday Earl
was there, and Bob Larkin, whom I missed darn it.  Had to scooter ride
back home early, so  missed other coots.  Another hot one Mon. so needs
a boat and snack break."

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Re: Fern Ridge Monday Socially-Distanced Mini-Messabout?

Joe Novello
 

I’m camping at Richardson through Thursday. Any idea what time anyone is coming down?  I’ll be watching for a coot or two. 

Joe 

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 11:30 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Cal is gonna take Surprise to Richardson Park for some testing. Alas, he
didn't say just when. <sigh> Keep your eyes peeled for more details...

"Thinking of looking at a few details on Surprise, top off charge, and
head for Richardson docks tomorrow.  If there are any others out there
and on line, might be a good time to grab a visit ??  Last Friday Earl
was there, and Bob Larkin, whom I missed darn it.  Had to scooter ride
back home early, so  missed other coots.  Another hot one Mon. so needs
a boat and snack break."

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Re: Lower Columbia River info

 

"Someday" as in before the snow flies this year?

Me, Earl and Bob L have been talking about a leisurely cruise in September of less than a week starting in Portland, probably from Fred's Marina. Most likely a loop around Sauvie's Island, maybe going a bit downriver from St. Helens. Maybe spend a day on a sightseeing trip up through the Megalopolis and back. Take two days down Multnomah Channel, two days up the outside of Sauvie's Island, maybe stopping at Fisherman's Slough behind Caterpillar Island, We'll see... Planning on being self-sufficient in case shoreside amenities aren't available.

On 7/22/2020 8:11 PM, Mark N wrote:
Hi folks,
Randy T. and I got to talking about a week cruise out of Cathlamet someday.
...
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Re: Lower Columbia River info

 

You do know that Sam McKinney took several years and more than one boat to do what he wrote about in Reach of Tide? ;o)

There are lots of interesting places to explore starting from Cathlamet. I recommend taking your time and not rushing to reach a destination. But then I always do... <g> (see sig)

On 7/22/2020 8:11 PM, Mark N wrote:
Hi folks,
Randy T. and I got to talking about a week cruise out of Cathlamet someday.  Heading down towards Illwaco.  Maybe make a big circle, do something similar to what Sam McKinney did in "Reach of Tides".  Maybe crab near Hammond or Sand Island or fish wherever. Maybe just go get sunburned.
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Fern Ridge Monday Socially-Distanced Mini-Messabout?

 

Cal is gonna take Surprise to Richardson Park for some testing. Alas, he didn't say just when. <sigh> Keep your eyes peeled for more details...

"Thinking of looking at a few details on Surprise, top off charge, and head for Richardson docks tomorrow. If there are any others out there and on line, might be a good time to grab a visit ?? Last Friday Earl was there, and Bob Larkin, whom I missed darn it. Had to scooter ride back home early, so missed other coots. Another hot one Mon. so needs a boat and snack break."

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Re: Lower Columbia River info

Richard Green
 

Power makes a difference.  Still, plan for the waves as they can be mighty rough in the wrong time of day in the main river.

Rich

On Jul 24, 2020, at 8:26 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:

Thanks Richard for responding with your advice. We'll be in powerboats so the sailing hints may not pertain.  

Mark






Re: Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Thanks Richard for responding with your advice. We'll be in powerboats so the sailing hints may not pertain.  

Mark



Re: Lower Columbia River info

Richard Green
 

I should prolly clarify on winds in the lower river.  Calm happens a lot, 15 mph is commonplace, but I have seen 35 with a flood tide and it can be mighty lumpy.  I have also seen, on rare occasion, a 50 mph blow race out of Young’s Bay across the river.  Spent a night on Desdemona Sands across from Young’s Bay in a Catalina 36 laid over on the sand after being driven up unexpectedly.  We were doing Tues night racing with Astoria Yacht Club and the wind came from nowhere on a dropping tide.  One minute we were moving slowly along the sands, the next blown up onto it until the tide came in.  Plenty of excitement. 

 I sailed my little 22’ Benford double ender, 4500 lbs,  wind and tide and oars only, never had a motor on the boat for several years.  Of course, my O’day 28 had power.  

Lots of good memories.

Rich

On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:23 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

I spent years sailing the lower river.  One of my favorite trips was to head up the Clatskanie River into the town of Clatskanie, tie up at the docks below Hump’s which used to be, apparently used to be, a nice restaurant.  Not sure what the possibilities are now.  I understand there’s a 40’ vertical clearance issue now.  Interestingly, there’s a large scour at a confluence with an inlet around an island along the way  when the tide is changing.  We did the trip in an O’day 28 with 5’ of draft.  

The current can run pretty good through Prairie Channel on a runout tide.  Classic anchorage is behind Tongue Point in Cathlamet Bay where the John Day river also runs in.  I usually did he river from Portland in three legs, first to Kalama, then to Cathlamet, then to Astoria, then to Ilwaco.  

When sailing only, best to make the trip so you hit the entrance to Ilwaco at slack water and ride the incoming tide up to Ilwaco proper.  

Small boats are best moving in light winds to calm in early morning and evening as in summer it can whip up large, short swells on the river with winds to 35 mph depending on the day.  They usually start around ten or eleven a.m.  Tidal salt flow goes about 26 miles upriver IIRC.  Salt water being heavier, it flows in at the bottom farther up.  Of course the tide affects the river right up to Bonneville.  

I sailed keel boats there with four or five foot drafts so there’s prolly lots of nuances for small boats.

Rich

On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

Randy T. and I got to talking about a week cruise out of Cathlamet someday.  Heading down towards Illwaco.  Maybe make a big circle, do something similar to what Sam McKinney did in "Reach of Tides".  Maybe crab near Hammond or Sand Island or fish wherever. Maybe just go get sunburned. 

I figured Harvey woud be a great resource, living part-time in Astoria.  Also, any other Coot who has spent some time down there.  I know Andrew lead a group down one year from Beacon Rock and another year launched in Cathlamet and headed west for a day before heading for Saint Helens and the return to Cathlamet. Maybe Julius, Allen, or Michael could share good spots?

I guess what I'm asking for are suggestions for anchorages or books and/or websites with info on sights, sites, and anchorages, or anything that could help a Coot party enjoy the lower river.  

I've found several pages on the web with the kind of info I'm asking for, but lots of that is pretty old.  I'm trying to compile a current list of anchorages, campsites, marinas, ramps, docks, etc. from Portland to the ocean.  Seems to me that it might be a useful document to have on the Coots webpage.

Either way, I'm missing our messabouts......

Mark





Re: Lower Columbia River info

Richard Green
 

I spent years sailing the lower river.  One of my favorite trips was to head up the Clatskanie River into the town of Clatskanie, tie up at the docks below Hump’s which used to be, apparently used to be, a nice restaurant.  Not sure what the possibilities are now.  I understand there’s a 40’ vertical clearance issue now.  Interestingly, there’s a large scour at a confluence with an inlet around an island along the way  when the tide is changing.  We did the trip in an O’day 28 with 5’ of draft.  

The current can run pretty good through Prairie Channel on a runout tide.  Classic anchorage is behind Tongue Point in Cathlamet Bay where the John Day river also runs in.  I usually did he river from Portland in three legs, first to Kalama, then to Cathlamet, then to Astoria, then to Ilwaco.  

When sailing only, best to make the trip so you hit the entrance to Ilwaco at slack water and ride the incoming tide up to Ilwaco proper.  

Small boats are best moving in light winds to calm in early morning and evening as in summer it can whip up large, short swells on the river with winds to 35 mph depending on the day.  They usually start around ten or eleven a.m.  Tidal salt flow goes about 26 miles upriver IIRC.  Salt water being heavier, it flows in at the bottom farther up.  Of course the tide affects the river right up to Bonneville.  

I sailed keel boats there with four or five foot drafts so there’s prolly lots of nuances for small boats.

Rich

On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

Randy T. and I got to talking about a week cruise out of Cathlamet someday.  Heading down towards Illwaco.  Maybe make a big circle, do something similar to what Sam McKinney did in "Reach of Tides".  Maybe crab near Hammond or Sand Island or fish wherever. Maybe just go get sunburned. 

I figured Harvey woud be a great resource, living part-time in Astoria.  Also, any other Coot who has spent some time down there.  I know Andrew lead a group down one year from Beacon Rock and another year launched in Cathlamet and headed west for a day before heading for Saint Helens and the return to Cathlamet. Maybe Julius, Allen, or Michael could share good spots?

I guess what I'm asking for are suggestions for anchorages or books and/or websites with info on sights, sites, and anchorages, or anything that could help a Coot party enjoy the lower river.  

I've found several pages on the web with the kind of info I'm asking for, but lots of that is pretty old.  I'm trying to compile a current list of anchorages, campsites, marinas, ramps, docks, etc. from Portland to the ocean.  Seems to me that it might be a useful document to have on the Coots webpage.

Either way, I'm missing our messabouts......

Mark




Lower Columbia River info

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi folks,

Randy T. and I got to talking about a week cruise out of Cathlamet someday.  Heading down towards Illwaco.  Maybe make a big circle, do something similar to what Sam McKinney did in "Reach of Tides".  Maybe crab near Hammond or Sand Island or fish wherever. Maybe just go get sunburned. 

I figured Harvey woud be a great resource, living part-time in Astoria.  Also, any other Coot who has spent some time down there.  I know Andrew lead a group down one year from Beacon Rock and another year launched in Cathlamet and headed west for a day before heading for Saint Helens and the return to Cathlamet. Maybe Julius, Allen, or Michael could share good spots?

I guess what I'm asking for are suggestions for anchorages or books and/or websites with info on sights, sites, and anchorages, or anything that could help a Coot party enjoy the lower river.  

I've found several pages on the web with the kind of info I'm asking for, but lots of that is pretty old.  I'm trying to compile a current list of anchorages, campsites, marinas, ramps, docks, etc. from Portland to the ocean.  Seems to me that it might be a useful document to have on the Coots webpage.

Either way, I'm missing our messabouts......

Mark



Re: Great Oregon Steam up

 

That indeed is the case. $20 per car admission:

https://www.antiquepowerland.com/steam-up

In one way a drive-thru steam-up will be an improvement -- you'll be cool inside your air-conditioned car. ;o)

On 7/20/2020 3:52 PM, Case wrote:
Just saw that the steam up is doing a drive through tour instead of the normal gig.
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Great Oregon Steam up

Case Turner
 

Just saw that the steam up is doing a drive through tour instead of the normal gig.



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Re: Oh, the screwups

Pete Leenhouts
 

I've always heard those tanks were good only for leaded gas, without the additives used now. A call to the techline at Gougeon Brothers would answer the question, thought, with certainty. 

Pete


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From: Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...>
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Sent: Mon, Jul 20, 2020 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Oh, the screwups

Dan,
I was reading some interesting stuff about making gas tanks out of plywood, glass cloth and a good coat of West systems epoxy.  Could be a good coating for your metal tank, Might be worth looking into.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:09 PM dan mulholland <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
I've been spending a lot of time working on boats during the fun.  Some of you know that I managed to test the floatation  in the San Francisco Pelican I took to the Toledo show last summer.  The motor didn't get dunked, and the tank floated.  I started the engine after the fun, all was good; went with the guys to Newport on Monday, engine ran fine.  I was surprised at how little fuel was used, since the primary  purpose of a  1971 Evinrude 4 hp engine is to transfer gas and oil to the water, and, while doing that, move a boat along a little bit.

To rid myself of old mixed fuel, I use it in the lowest social status  engines I have, the lawnmower first, and then the chipper second.  The outboard gas seemed dirtier than usual... and then the  lawnmower and chipper didn't like the fuel.  It turns out that they just will not run on salt water.  Because, of course, that was what was in the  bottom of the tank, and dirtiness was  rust.

This provided me with an opportunity to try electrolysis as a method of rust removal.  A piece of rebar, with some wood and PVC pipe to act as insulators, water with washing soda, and DC power from the battery  charger.  It worked, but it is hard to get the anode- the rebar- close to all of the areas of the tank bottom.  So, I followed the electrolysis with Oxalic acid treatment.  That looks like it worked pretty well.  Then  a baking soda solution  wash, to "kill" the acid.  The tank is sitting in  the sun,  with  the remaining water evaporating, I hope.  


Dan


Re: Halloween float

Joe Novello
 

I moved Good Girl down to Richardson about three weeks ago. My wife and I have been camping there every other week from Sunday through Thursday since they opened in June.  I’ve been out sailing and it is quite windy - which Good Girl handles with ease. Lots of fun for sure.  

We are headed out there again on Sunday. Maybe we will see some of you there at some point during the week.  

Joe

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 10:16 PM elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:
If I can work it out as I'm a working gal I would love to try and join you guys at Fren Ridge with Larimar. It would be great to see how she flies with her sails up.

On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 10:02 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I think we can do the Halloween and After Thanksgiving floats safely.
Pizza afterwards may not work -- eating pizza with a mask on would be
difficult. <g> Maybe we could get pizza to go and eat it outside, or on
the dock. Weather permitting.

Me and Earl, and Bob l and Charley, have been having some
mini-messabouts at Fern Ridge, with masks and/or social distancing.
Tuffy, Dr. Petra, Wave Guide, and Toledo Joe's Good Girl (though we
haven't seen Joe) are all moored at Richardson Park.

On 7/17/2020 10:37 PM, Elaine wrote:
> Hi all, I know October is a ways away but has anyone thought of going to
> the Halloween Float this year? My boating season has been pretty much a
> wash this year due to all of our Covid 19 status. A float down a calm
> and soothing high tide would do the trick for me. Social distancing
> would be easy to do even at the pizza place at the end. Thought I'd take
> my wood kayak this time. So let's see how many will be willing to join me.
>
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Re: Oh, the screwups

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Dan,
I was reading some interesting stuff about making gas tanks out of plywood, glass cloth and a good coat of West systems epoxy.  Could be a good coating for your metal tank, Might be worth looking into.


On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:09 PM dan mulholland <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:
I've been spending a lot of time working on boats during the fun.  Some of you know that I managed to test the floatation  in the San Francisco Pelican I took to the Toledo show last summer.  The motor didn't get dunked, and the tank floated.  I started the engine after the fun, all was good; went with the guys to Newport on Monday, engine ran fine.  I was surprised at how little fuel was used, since the primary  purpose of a  1971 Evinrude 4 hp engine is to transfer gas and oil to the water, and, while doing that, move a boat along a little bit.

To rid myself of old mixed fuel, I use it in the lowest social status  engines I have, the lawnmower first, and then the chipper second.  The outboard gas seemed dirtier than usual... and then the  lawnmower and chipper didn't like the fuel.  It turns out that they just will not run on salt water.  Because, of course, that was what was in the  bottom of the tank, and dirtiness was  rust.

This provided me with an opportunity to try electrolysis as a method of rust removal.  A piece of rebar, with some wood and PVC pipe to act as insulators, water with washing soda, and DC power from the battery  charger.  It worked, but it is hard to get the anode- the rebar- close to all of the areas of the tank bottom.  So, I followed the electrolysis with Oxalic acid treatment.  That looks like it worked pretty well.  Then  a baking soda solution  wash, to "kill" the acid.  The tank is sitting in  the sun,  with  the remaining water evaporating, I hope.  


Dan


Oh, the screwups

dan mulholland
 

I've been spending a lot of time working on boats during the fun.  Some of you know that I managed to test the floatation  in the San Francisco Pelican I took to the Toledo show last summer.  The motor didn't get dunked, and the tank floated.  I started the engine after the fun, all was good; went with the guys to Newport on Monday, engine ran fine.  I was surprised at how little fuel was used, since the primary  purpose of a  1971 Evinrude 4 hp engine is to transfer gas and oil to the water, and, while doing that, move a boat along a little bit.

To rid myself of old mixed fuel, I use it in the lowest social status  engines I have, the lawnmower first, and then the chipper second.  The outboard gas seemed dirtier than usual... and then the  lawnmower and chipper didn't like the fuel.  It turns out that they just will not run on salt water.  Because, of course, that was what was in the  bottom of the tank, and dirtiness was  rust.

This provided me with an opportunity to try electrolysis as a method of rust removal.  A piece of rebar, with some wood and PVC pipe to act as insulators, water with washing soda, and DC power from the battery  charger.  It worked, but it is hard to get the anode- the rebar- close to all of the areas of the tank bottom.  So, I followed the electrolysis with Oxalic acid treatment.  That looks like it worked pretty well.  Then  a baking soda solution  wash, to "kill" the acid.  The tank is sitting in  the sun,  with  the remaining water evaporating, I hope.  


Dan


Larimar on Fern Ridge (was: Halloween float)

 

Let us know if you can get away from the salt mine for some sailing on fern Ridge.

As it usually does this time of year it's been getting pretty windy in the afternoons on Fern Ridge. Those who aren't ready to cope with gusts into the 20s (mph) should go out in the morning, or the evening when the wind usually dies down. Or invite Andrew to come along. ;o)

I recommend that sailors coming from afar should plan on camping, or sleeping on their boat in the marina (cheap). The evening is the best time to be out on the water anyway, even if the wind can die down too much when the sun sets. <g> Even experienced sailors who like a brisk wind would have a better time if they stayed for a night or two, so they can spend a bigger share of their time sailing rather than traveling and launching and retrieving their boat.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyhr7sq6

Fern Ridge never filled all the way this year, and is already over 4' below full. It's gonna be a short season. <sigh> You can check the lake depth here:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/FRDepths

and a chart:

www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/nwp/teacup/willamette/frn.pdf

Weather forecast:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/FernRidgeWX

Eugene Airport weather conditions for the last few days:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/EUGWXCond

The Eugene Yacht Club weather station:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/EUGYCCond

On 7/19/2020 10:15 PM, elaineginader wrote:
If I can work it out as I'm a working gal I would love to try and join you guys at Fren Ridge with Larimar. It would be great to see how she flies with her sails up.
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Comet

 

The other night Earl took me and Bob L out into the middle of Fern Ridge to see the NEOWISE comet. It's very faint, but Big. If you look at it through even small binoculars you can really get a good look at it. Pretty neat! :o) Worth the trouble of finding someplace where it's dark and there's little light pollution in the northwest. Last night I found a dark spot along a road out by Alvadore (still haven't got Tuffy's nav lights working) and looked at the comet through my halfway decent 7x50 binoculars and it was really impressive. :o)

Wait until about an hour after sunset, about 10:45, for the sky to get dark. Look low in the NW sky for a faint smear pointing up and to the right. Take a look at it through your binoculars. The comet is the kind of celestial wonder that you can enjoy very well without having an expensive telescope.

https://earthsky.org/space/how-to-see-comet-c2020-f3-neowise

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