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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

And this is exactly what happened as we were stern tied to the bank in the slough for lunch. I thought it was the strangest thing. 


On Saturday, September 5, 2020, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
One thing I remember about being docked in Willow Bar in the old days was that when a ship came up the river still with a bone in her teeth before the ship hove into view through the entrance all the water in the pooka would be in motion rushing out into the river.  Then when the ship passed well beyond, the water would come back in and of course all the time the docks were in motion bouncing around.


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

One thing I remember about being docked in Willow Bar in the old days was that when a ship came up the river still with a bone in her teeth before the ship hove into view through the entrance all the water in the pooka would be in motion rushing out into the river.  Then when the ship passed well beyond, the water would come back in and of course all the time the docks were in motion bouncing around.

Rich

On Sep 5, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Myles Twete <matwete@...> wrote:

Further:
 
 
Even if the bed of a waterway is privately owned, the waterway may be used by the public for certain purposes if it meets the state test of navigable-for-public-use (the “public use doctrine.”) A waterway is navigable-for-public-use if it has the capacity, in terms of length, width and depth, to enable boats to make successful progress through its waters. If a privately owned waterway meets this test, the lawful public uses generally include navigation, commerce or recreation. Recreation in this case includes use of small boats for pleasure and fishing, as well as swimming. The public may use the land adjacent to a waterway that is navigable-for-public use as long as the use of the adjacent land is “necessary” to the lawful use of the waterway.”
 
So ignore all No Trespassing signs going into that bay.
They should be ordered to remove those signs…otoh, I haven’t motored into that bay in at least a couple years now, so it’s possible they’ve been removed, but I doubt it.  Asserting that one is trespassing for entering a space that is legal to enter and requires no membership is more than just rude, it should be illegal.
 
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I suggest the circumnav coots gunkhole in that very beautiful cove one night just to piss off any PYC members thinking they own the navigable waterway of that bay.  Assholes.
 
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Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.
 
Never know ’til you ask.
 
Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
 
I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.
 
Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
 

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

Elaine,

On Saturday, September 5, 2020, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:

Hey Mark please remember Belle Starr needs at least 6' clearance I'd hate to get stuck.

Yep, my comment about the bridge was with you in mind.  Of course, if we moored partway up the slough, it would be easy to backtrack to the river and avoid the bridge. It may be that low water is just as much a problem. That slough may not be a good place to go.

I'll be curious to see what the planning committee decides for stops on the river stretch.  I believe Sand Island at St. Helens is easily reachable from Caterlillar Island in a day, I'm just not sure of any good spots to stop between them, if need be.  Myles, any suggestions?

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

elaineginader
 

Hey Mark please remember Belle Starr needs at least 6' clearance I'd hate to get stuck.


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 11:16 AM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
Myles,

I had to laugh at your 'tirade', as you were echoing everything I've thought about that cove.  I saw those signs way back in 2009 when Pat, Terry, and I passed by it on our way around Sauvie Island after the messabout.  And when I started my facilities update project, I looked at Google map imagery all along the river to Illwaco looking for points of interest. I was surprised to see Island Cove RV Park and Cove Marina listed there. I had hoped to stop in the other day by water, but we ended up going the channel route north instead. So, I figured when I drove to St.  Helens in the next week or so, I would swing by the place and ask about mooring there.  Richard saved me the trouble.

I like your idea of gunkholing in the cove, but the shoaling and possible low water may not agree. Hey, what if we anchor our fleet just inside the mouth, sort of a blockade? 😀

John, as we went north back in 2009, we pulled into Bachelor Slough for lunch and eventually continued around the island to Ridgefield.  The chart shows that slough as very shallow but we had no problem in our boats.  The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

Myles,

I had to laugh at your 'tirade', as you were echoing everything I've thought about that cove.  I saw those signs way back in 2009 when Pat, Terry, and I passed by it on our way around Sauvie Island after the messabout.  And when I started my facilities update project, I looked at Google map imagery all along the river to Illwaco looking for points of interest. I was surprised to see Island Cove RV Park and Cove Marina listed there. I had hoped to stop in the other day by water, but we ended up going the channel route north instead. So, I figured when I drove to St.  Helens in the next week or so, I would swing by the place and ask about mooring there.  Richard saved me the trouble.

I like your idea of gunkholing in the cove, but the shoaling and possible low water may not agree. Hey, what if we anchor our fleet just inside the mouth, sort of a blockade? 😀

John, as we went north back in 2009, we pulled into Bachelor Slough for lunch and eventually continued around the island to Ridgefield.  The chart shows that slough as very shallow but we had no problem in our boats.  The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Lee Tapper
 

 I cant be at the planning meeting today, but am keen to hear about the results and hope to go on the cruise.

Lee


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Myles Twete
 

Further:

 

State of Oregon Attorney General gave this in request for its interpretations on Navigable Waterways in 2005:

 

Even if the bed of a waterway is privately owned, the waterway may be used by the public for certain purposes if it meets the state test of navigable-for-public-use (the “public use doctrine.”) A waterway is navigable-for-public-use if it has the capacity, in terms of length, width and depth, to enable boats to make successful progress through its waters. If a privately owned waterway meets this test, the lawful public uses generally include navigation, commerce or recreation. Recreation in this case includes use of small boats for pleasure and fishing, as well as swimming. The public may use the land adjacent to a waterway that is navigable-for-public use as long as the use of the adjacent land is “necessary” to the lawful use of the waterway.”

 

So ignore all No Trespassing signs going into that bay.

They should be ordered to remove those signs…otoh, I haven’t motored into that bay in at least a couple years now, so it’s possible they’ve been removed, but I doubt it.  Asserting that one is trespassing for entering a space that is legal to enter and requires no membership is more than just rude, it should be illegal.

 

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I suggest the circumnav coots gunkhole in that very beautiful cove one night just to piss off any PYC members thinking they own the navigable waterway of that bay.  Assholes.

 

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Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.

 

Never know ’til you ask.

 

Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

 

I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.

 

Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

 

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Myles Twete
 

I suggest the circumnav coots gunkhole in that very beautiful cove one night just to piss off any PYC members thinking they own the navigable waterway of that bay.  Assholes.

 

From: oregoncoots@groups.io [mailto:oregoncoots@groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Green
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Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.

 

Never know ’til you ask.

 

Rich



On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

 

I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.

 

Rich



On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

 

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich


On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Myles Twete
 

And just to discourage the riff-raff, there are signs at the river mouth loudly proclaiming the place to be members' only. I ignore the signs knowing that the waters are navigable and navigable waterways in Oregon are open to the public. Docks on the other hand, sure.

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I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.

Never know ’til you ask.

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

Ah, there it is. I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

That looks like Willow Bar. The beauty of that place is it’s about mid island and going either way just worked really well. That whole area upstream on the river side was at one time an island…as I understand…and they (the corps) closed off the upstream opening and it has sanded and silted in to what you see on the chart. My understanding is PYC did some dredging in there back when they bought it but the chart looks about like I remember it. Just past the docks that were there was the houseboat of the caretakers and then very shoal.

I don’t know if the docks are open, it’s a destination for their members, I’d guess not but certainly worth a call to the Portland Yacht Club to ask. I lost track of what goes on there decades ago.

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

Are the PYC's Willow Bar docks open to the public? Is that it up that slough behind what I assume is Willow Bar in the attached chart snippet?

On 9/2/2020 7:41 AM, Rich G wrote:
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I’ve circumnavigated Sauvie island a few times in different boats including one trip at close to 40 mph in a old friend’s boat, still have nightmares.  Willow Bar, a pooka on the Columbia side used to be ‘just a moorage’ until the PYC bought it for a destination for their members.  I moored my Columbia 21 there for eleven dollars a month.  Ten minutes from parking and you were “out to sea” in the Columbia, mid island.  Spent a couple summers there, the best small boat sailing on the entire lower river.  Winds all summer blowing upstream so tack down to St Helens, run back to Kelly point.  Anchor and swim in to the Marshall Beach Tavern a bit upstream from Willow Bar, clam strips and shoot pool…until it burned to the ground a couple years later.
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Re: Last Call for Saturday Coot Lunch and Voyage Planning Session

 

We certainly will let everybody know about what we discuss tomorrow, and we'll welcome input.

On 9/3/2020 8:38 PM, elaine wrote:
I'd really like to come but this weekend is full. Please let me know in what is discussed as I'm definitely going on the cruise.
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Re: Thanks Coots, getting started on "stuff"

Electri-Cal
 

What I always liked doing, in lighter morning or evening airs was simple and effective. With Windsong, my Atomic 4 at 25 hp., ticking at around 600 to 900 rpm helped take water resistance away, plus prop drag and made ghosting along in the am run to Catalina isl. a lot more fun.  Same with my lapstrake sailer, the MinnK barely churning in the morning helped get offshore and get back as the wind moderated --  without noise and fuss with sail gear. 

Just as info. -- I still have a couple Lido 14 size sails in the bag.  I could easy set up a "mini mast" and do some sailing too.  The rudder is deep and larger for the twin motors, kicks up also.  The addition would be a side mounted leaboard  with weights and a reinforced pivot block, again not a big deal.  I would bet that my Chesapeake flat bottom  hull shape would do well, better without  part of the battery lead !!  I keep thinking about a wishbbone rig.  Anchoring to the gunnels at 4 ft. wide, and tall as the sail allows that to lie aft, sail comes down in the cockpit if dropped by releasing the fore stay rope, loose footed, (furling??) wire luff, sounds like I need to reread a few books.  Another way to possibly not dismiss wind or ev  power, but that doesn't require rowing the last mile.  Power at 3 mph -- sail at 3 mph, -- row at 3 mph  was the way my lighter lapstrake handled everything, from one seat.  Couldn't take 2 people in good seats though, like Surprise does.

Heading out,   Cal


Re: Table Saw Blues --- Burnt out motor !!

Richard Green
 

Re electric weed whackers. I have a Stihl corded weedwhacker I’m letting go of as I have hired a landscape guy, the lower back doesn’t like yard work of any sort. I had a battery operated small mower, 19” deck”, which did my lawn on half a battery and my ex is happy with it now. Anyway, if anyone is interested in it, the price is right. Very low hours as my needs were small to begin with.

Rich

On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:56 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

You've got the experience to back up your recommendation for the higher voltage portable drills and drivers for working hard all day, Case, but Chuck the Duck was right about the little ones for us amateur boatbuiders and fiddlers. The 12 volt drills and drivers aren't just more bang for the buck, they're smaller and less clumsy. Better for working in tight places, and handier all around.

Where more battery power would be useful is for a battery portable circular saw. I'm sure all of us would love a circular saw that didn't have a cord to drag around (and cut <g>) and the power to zip through 2x4s. The little 12 volt trim saw I've got really isn't much good for anything except cutting trim and thin plywood. Alas, I've got two good corded circular saws, and a Bosch jigsaw. <sigh> <g>

An electric chainsaw is sure great! I seldom use a chainsaw, so I ditched the last gas one and bought a corded electric saw. No worrying about whether it will start after sitting for months, no having to keep 2-stroke mix on hand, a LOT less noise. :o) That was years ago; I might buy a battery chainsaw if I needed to today. This year I gave up on the gas weedeater and got a battery weed whacker. It's a cheapo Black & Decker (parent company of Dewalt!) but I don't use it often, so I hope it'll be OK. Works great so far, and the battery lasts longer than I want to run it.

Battery powered tools have sure come a long way in recent years! :o)

On 9/3/2020 2:25 PM, Case wrote:
I had all Makita for a long time. The only reason I went with desalt was because of the table saw and chop saw. Both of which are plenty for the type of stuff we all do. If I was still doing finish carpentry for a living I’d use these in a heart beat.
This past year I rounded out my battery operated equipment with desalts weed eater, leaf blower, and 16” chainsaw. These all use the same batteries as the table and chop saws.
All of which I’ve been throughly impressed with. When I’m exploring back roads or camping the chain saw is always me. There was a ton of blow down last winter and without it we would’ve not got far many trips.
As for the 12v being enough, for occasional users they are the best
bang for the buck. If you’re running them all day long though GH the 20v is a must.
When I was in Hawaii working I was loaned a 12v Makita set to use. Didn’t cut it. I was changing batteries three times as much as the guys with 20v. So I bought the 20v drill and impact set. Mailed back the drill set, a hammer, a tape and a tool belt. Only souvenirs I brought back, lol!
Anyways the Dewalt battery tools are the real deal and I’d have no problem using them if I was still building.
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Re: Thanks Coots, getting started on "stuff" -- My doctors sail boat for Sale now

Electri-Cal
 

Yep, tons of fun with battery loads -- Then there is the prop dept. as well.  I use the Kipawas for power, but I could switch back to stock 2 bladers, which stop horizontally with those controls built in.  That reduces prop draft by around 5 inches, when stopped.  So, nope the props do not rotate when shut off.  When running the Kipawas produce MORE thrust at slightly LESS amps than stock 2 bladers., blade loading probably.  The low speeds are enough more efficient for casual lake trips, easy sailing speed range saves amps.

When I get it back --  Myles has my 50 lp Minn Kota -- I'm hoping that the sleeve will allow me to use 80 lb props on it, still more to be done.  That also fits Surprise, which has a covered well for a gassie if needed.  So much fun, and summer hauls on faster than I hoped, -- again !!

John and I worked out a good back up pack plug in situation, so I will have two packs total.  Usually two batts each inside, but able to plug in two more outside the seat box on #1 circuit for longer runs.  Easy to do, but adds the 120 lb., so not needed for shorter trips, or two coots.  Also the new genset fuses & plugs are coming, then will automatically have that option to compare, but that  small gen. may not provide as much charge as needed to keep all fully charged, darn it !!   

We'll "get er done" hopefully soon.  Knee is getting way better, by next week should be fine, as I age I like my chiropractor more and more.  Oh, he is selling his sailboat,  Minn Kota motor, with everything working, and newly redone trailer.  He's sending me some sifo., so I can list it with coots.  I guess a coot would want to see it anyhow.   Price is pretty immaterial until looked over, but it's ready to sail now.  He is a pretty particular guy as a doctor, so might be worth looking at in place, as photos rarely show a boats condition very well. 

Gotta go, wiring calls with a zap !! ----  cal
  


Re: Table Saw Blues --- Burnt out motor !!

Case Turner
 

Well along the lines of the circular saw, I have a 20v Dewalt. Not the first I’ve owned. Had the makita, and a Milwaukee.

Cuts wood all day long. No cord in the way and weighs nothing.

Gave all my makita stuff to my youngest son Braxton that most had met. He’s cutting, drilling and screwing (no dirty minds allowed) everything he can!

Case

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On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:56 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

You've got the experience to back up your recommendation for the higher voltage portable drills and drivers for working hard all day, Case, but Chuck the Duck was right about the little ones for us amateur boatbuiders and fiddlers. The 12 volt drills and drivers aren't just more bang for the buck, they're smaller and less clumsy. Better for working in tight places, and handier all around.

Where more battery power would be useful is for a battery portable circular saw. I'm sure all of us would love a circular saw that didn't have a cord to drag around (and cut <g>) and the power to zip through 2x4s. The little 12 volt trim saw I've got really isn't much good for anything except cutting trim and thin plywood. Alas, I've got two good corded circular saws, and a Bosch jigsaw. <sigh> <g>

An electric chainsaw is sure great! I seldom use a chainsaw, so I ditched the last gas one and bought a corded electric saw. No worrying about whether it will start after sitting for months, no having to keep 2-stroke mix on hand, a LOT less noise. :o) That was years ago; I might buy a battery chainsaw if I needed to today. This year I gave up on the gas weedeater and got a battery weed whacker. It's a cheapo Black & Decker (parent company of Dewalt!) but I don't use it often, so I hope it'll be OK. Works great so far, and the battery lasts longer than I want to run it.

Battery powered tools have sure come a long way in recent years! :o)

On 9/3/2020 2:25 PM, Case wrote:
I had all Makita for a long time. The only reason I went with desalt was because of the table saw and chop saw. Both of which are plenty for the type of stuff we all do. If I was still doing finish carpentry for a living I’d use these in a heart beat.
This past year I rounded out my battery operated equipment with desalts weed eater, leaf blower, and 16” chainsaw. These all use the same batteries as the table and chop saws.
All of which I’ve been throughly impressed with. When I’m exploring back roads or camping the chain saw is always me. There was a ton of blow down last winter and without it we would’ve not got far many trips.
As for the 12v being enough, for occasional users they are the best
bang for the buck. If you’re running them all day long though GH the 20v is a must.
When I was in Hawaii working I was loaned a 12v Makita set to use. Didn’t cut it. I was changing batteries three times as much as the guys with 20v. So I bought the 20v drill and impact set. Mailed back the drill set, a hammer, a tape and a tool belt. Only souvenirs I brought back, lol!
Anyways the Dewalt battery tools are the real deal and I’d have no problem using them if I was still building.
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