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Re: Defensible Space for wildfires? > Fires and such

Roger Padvorac
 


Steve,
Maybe you (or somebody you know) could answer this question. Whatever happened to Defensible Space?
 
"An area either natural or manmade where material capable of causing a fire to spread has been treated, cleared, reduced, or changed to act as a barrier between an advancing wildland fire and the loss to life, property, or resources. In practice, "defensible space" is defined as an area a minimum of 30 feet around a structure that is cleared of flammable brush or vegetation."
 
I don't hear Defensible Space talked about anymore. When the news reports that homes were burned down, why don't they include in the report that the homes were fire-trap homes without Defensible Space?
 
I googled this: "Defensible Space"
And got a half million results, so its not like its difficult to find info on it. Browsing thru the images for this search shows some great pictures of intact homes surrounded by Defensible Space and burnt out areas. There were also some pictures of fire-trap homes that will be goners if a fire ever comes near them.
 
To me, for a person who is living in wildfire country, not doing defensible space is as irresponsible as a person doing drunk driving when they have to close one eye to reduce the number of images they are seeing.
 
Defensible Space is a wide spectrum of levels of preparation. Every bit of preparation decreases the risk of structure loss due to wildfire. As long as you haven't evacuated, its never to late to get out the rake and pruners and start reducing the flammable vegetation near your buildings. From a firefighters perspective, you can ever have too much Defensible Space.
 
When there aren't any other options for quickly getting rid of flammable debris, stack them up in small dense stacks out in the open, with wide spaces between the stacks. This way when a fire comes thru the stacks will burn more slowly than the standing grass and brush would have burnt. This in turn will minimize the size and intensity of the wall of flame, and so the small stacks are less likely to ignite tress and buildings than freestanding brush and grass would.
 
During a red flag warning is the wrong time to use mowers with steel blades because if the blade hits a rock, then the sparks could start a fire. However using a grass cutting machine with a plastic filament, instead of steel blades, (and a spark arresting muffler) seems reasonable to me.
 
Even so, after using a gas powered weedeater you would need to do a fire watch, just in case the fire smoldered for a while before breaking into flames.
 
* * * *
Everybody seems so shocked when fire-trap homes burn down, when that is to be expected when the home is in the Wildland Urban Interface in wildfire country. This is especially so when its nearly impossible in most locations to get permission for prescribed fires to lower the fuel load before fire season starts.
 
I agree 100% with fire fighters doing triage and not risking their lives trying to save fire-trap homes during major fire events. If it was you, would you spend a lot of effort trying to save a building that will probably burn down anyway, which is dangerous to be working on when the fire is close by, or spend a moderate amount of effort working on a home you can almost guarantee will be saved, which has enough defensible space so that if the fire suddenly surges forwards, that defensible space will help save your life?
 
My health does better when I'm in an area where ponderosa pines are growing. They don't grow where I live now. In the last 10 years every single place I was thinking of moving to in WA, OR, and CA has been burned out. This is in addition to those locations having months of air pollution levels from smoke that would make me nonfunctional because I'd be so sick. Maybe the smoke would have killed me. At this point, even if I had a large windfall, I doubt I'd move to a dry area. Living in the Douglas fir/live oak transition zone seems like a reasonable compromise between health and flammability (for now).
 
* * * *
I used to think that living west of the Cascades meant not having to pay attention to Defensible Space. Now I'm seriously questioning that attitude because I'm a bit shocked at the amount of large fires west of the Cascades.
 
This year this seems to be the most useful tool for tracking wildfires:
When its overloaded, it returns the map, but no fire details, which is usual for "public services" provided by federal agencies. Sometimes during off hours, when many people are panicking, if you wait for a long time, the fire details eventually show up. If there are only small fires, away from densely populated areas, then this page responds very quickly with fire details.
 
In the last 3 days there have been 4 wildfires near my home that were large enough that they showed up on satellite fire detection systems. This year seems to be on track for a record setting year for wildfires on the west coast. Worse yet, the definition of a "big fire" is steadily getting bigger.
 
This gets back to wondering why there seems to be deafening silence about Defensible Space.
 
* * * *
As I waited on the draft for second thoughts, an interesting idea came to me.
 
For people too elderly to do firefighting, the next best thing would be to load up some pruning and yard work tools, and drive around helping people who are making desperate efforts at last minute creation of Defensible Space. An advantage of helping at this point would be few people would care about doing a neat job, so it would be really easy to do this kind of work.
 
One of the images in my mind, from when I was a young adult, was a carload of ladies who spent their time driving around and helping the old ladies. What makes this image stick in my mind was one woman was considerably younger than the others in the car, and she was in her 60's. One can only imagine how old the old ladies were that they were helping.
 
A similar activity would be driving around and helping the old duffers clear Defensible Space around their homes.
 
Helping somebody save their home would give some serious meaning and satisfaction to life.
 
* * * *
If you are spending time anywhere near a fire, you need some basic safety equipment and fire safety education.
 
Since a fire can spread faster than 5 mph, "near" depends on the current weather conditions.
 
It would be very sad if some volunteers, helping people create Defensible Space around their homes, got burned up because of an unexpected change in the weather.
 
I ordered a lot of my equipment for working in the woods and for wildfire safety from this place:
I was happy with their service and products. However I haven't ordered from them since 2009. I glanced at their website and they are still very serious about forestry and wildfires.
 
There aren't a whole lot of places, even on the internet, where you can buy this kind of equipment. Considering the hazards of working in the woods, I would only buy this kind of equipment from a place that specializes in selling forestry equipment to people who use it to earn their living.
 
This is the 4th edition of this book:
I have the 3rd edition and it was very useful when I was working in the woods during the dry season. While there is a lot of info on managing hundreds of firefighters, there is also a lot of useful info on Defensible Space and good safety practices for anybody anywhere near a wildfire. Some people might think the book is too expensive. For perspective, how much do you spend on insurance each year? How much is your home worth? How much is your life worth? I see this book as inexpensive insurance.
 
Fires can spread dozens of miles a day and trap even professional firefighters. Its very easy to accidentally start a fire, you can be held liable for any damage caused by any fires you accidentally start, and in most weather conditions in most environments, if you have the equipment on hand a few feet away from you, then you can put out a small fire before it spreads. In short, its better to be prepared than to be sorry you weren't.
 
The good practices aren't rocket science, so they are easy to practice, once you know about them. For instance, somebody needs to be designated to watch the weather behavior, and if you can see it, the fire behavior. Then if there are any ominous changes in behavior, immediately tell the rest of the team about it. Its easy to become preoccupied doing a task, and not notice changes in the weather until its too late. Having a designated watcher reduces the risk of being trapped by a fire. The watcher can also watch for fires started from tools striking rocks and creating sparks, and then alert the team while the fire is still small enough to be easily put out.
 
Sincerely,
Roger
 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Fires and such

My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.  

He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and folks who have lost so much. 

Steve Miller


Re: Fires and such

Stephen Miller
 

Thanks John and Josh.  He just got back from 2 weeks fighting fires in California too.  Its a scary time for many people.

Steve

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:46 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I'm glad your son got out OK, Steve. I heard something on the radio
yesterday about people waiting in a sports field somewhere for rescue by
helicopter. I guess it was your son and the other firefighters.

Seeing that Blue River burned really brought home the destruction of
these wildfires. This wasn't some distant place that was only a dot on a
map. Blue River was always there, though I rarely went through it
anymore since They put in the highway bypass. The Cougar Room. Those
cabins on the west side of town where the druggies lived -- Rock-a-Bye
Cottages? They were full of "respectable" pot smoking and acid dropping
hippies in the Old Days. <g> I guess those were gone already. The Cougar
Room burned and the Cottages were torn down as nuisances. Memories of a
misspent youth... Authorities are warning us to "expect deaths" in the
Blue River area. <sigh>

Coots Kay Patteson and Joe Nelson live in the woods near Colton. I heard
there's been an evacuation order for some of that area. I tried to call
Kay a few minutes ago and got no answer. I hope she's OK and that her
property will be spared. Joe lives a few miles east of Kay.

On 9/9/2020 6:11 AM, Steve M wrote:
> My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue
> River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio
> since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to
> them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she
> dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other
> crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines
> to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.
>
> He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is
> gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and
> folks who have lost so much.
>
> Steve Miller

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Re: Fires and such

 

I'm glad your son got out OK, Steve. I heard something on the radio yesterday about people waiting in a sports field somewhere for rescue by helicopter. I guess it was your son and the other firefighters.

Seeing that Blue River burned really brought home the destruction of these wildfires. This wasn't some distant place that was only a dot on a map. Blue River was always there, though I rarely went through it anymore since They put in the highway bypass. The Cougar Room. Those cabins on the west side of town where the druggies lived -- Rock-a-Bye Cottages? They were full of "respectable" pot smoking and acid dropping hippies in the Old Days. <g> I guess those were gone already. The Cougar Room burned and the Cottages were torn down as nuisances. Memories of a misspent youth... Authorities are warning us to "expect deaths" in the Blue River area. <sigh>

Coots Kay Patteson and Joe Nelson live in the woods near Colton. I heard there's been an evacuation order for some of that area. I tried to call Kay a few minutes ago and got no answer. I hope she's OK and that her property will be spared. Joe lives a few miles east of Kay.

On 9/9/2020 6:11 AM, Steve M wrote:
My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.
He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and folks who have lost so much.
Steve Miller
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Re: Fires and such

Josh
 

Stephen, so glad to hear your son-in-law is okay! People like him and the ones who rescued them are real heroes. I was a volunteer firefighter many years ago and know enough to have serious respect for them. Will be praying.

Richard, hope you stay safe.
After all this I'll have to visit McMinnville, my family's been there since the 1840s so even though I grew up in Eugene it's a special area for me. 


Re: Fires and such

Richard Green
 

Awoke this morning to heavy smoke here in McMinnville.  Heavier than when I went to bed last night.  The orange sky is so occluded it’s hard to tell where the sun is coming up. But my listening and reading suggests no worries here for fire.   My brother has taken in an evacuee family from over by Colton..with all their myriad animals..but in Canby where they live, so far so good.  

Best of luck to everyone out there, safe journey.

Rich

On Sep 8, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Josh <roseandthistlecustom@...> wrote:

Just wanted to reach out to everyone and say I hope you're doing okay. Good Girl is covered in ash but safe for now.
Josh 


Re: Fires and such

Stephen Miller
 

My son in law was one of the Eugene firemen trapped yesterday up by Blue River surrounded by the fire.  Pretty scary day.  They had no radio since the towers had burned.  And too windy to fly helicopters in to them.  My daughter got a call from a department Captain.   The call she dreads.  She was sure he was dead.  All of them are now safe.  Other crews had to clear 25 miles of down trees, burned trees and power lines to get the firemen and sheriff deputies out.  

He said they saved the school and a few houses but everything else is gone in Blue River.  Please send any extra prayers to the firemen and folks who have lost so much. 

Steve Miller


Fires and such

Josh
 

Just wanted to reach out to everyone and say I hope you're doing okay. Good Girl is covered in ash but safe for now.
Josh 


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

elaineginader
 

Michael doesn't know the length of the mast but when I went under the railroad bridge in my husband's boat I could tell the bridge would need to be opened up. That was a while ago but I'll have the phone number just in case.


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 8:24 PM Elaine Ginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:
I'm thinking it's tall enough for them to open the bridge. All the info I have the mast length isn't there. I reached out to Michael just so I know. I thought we were going around Sauvie Island.  Are we going other places too?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 8:00 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
"Zoom up there"? How do you like zooming around, Mark? Are the Coots
gonna turn into a speedboat club? ;o)

How tall is Belle's mast, Elaine? We were wondering if we could get Them
to open the Steel Bridge for us, but we need a tall boat. <g>

On 9/5/2020 11:16 AM, Mark N wrote:
> ...
> The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than
> ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone
> would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

elaineginader
 

I'm thinking it's tall enough for them to open the bridge. All the info I have the mast length isn't there. I reached out to Michael just so I know. I thought we were going around Sauvie Island.  Are we going other places too?


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 8:00 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
"Zoom up there"? How do you like zooming around, Mark? Are the Coots
gonna turn into a speedboat club? ;o)

How tall is Belle's mast, Elaine? We were wondering if we could get Them
to open the Steel Bridge for us, but we need a tall boat. <g>

On 9/5/2020 11:16 AM, Mark N wrote:
> ...
> The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than
> ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone
> would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

"Zoom up there"? How do you like zooming around, Mark? Are the Coots gonna turn into a speedboat club? ;o)

How tall is Belle's mast, Elaine? We were wondering if we could get Them to open the Steel Bridge for us, but we need a tall boat. <g>

On 9/5/2020 11:16 AM, Mark N wrote:
...
The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.
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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

I have to make a few phone calls Tuesday before I make a public report on the planning session. What kind of boat do you have, Lee?

On 9/5/2020 10:48 AM, Lee T wrote:
 I cant be at the planning meeting today, but am keen to hear about the results and hope to go on the cruise.
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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

If it's convenient we may go past those no trespassing signs and (politely) thumb our noses at them. <g>

On 9/5/2020 8:40 AM, Myles T wrote:
And just to discourage the riff-raff, there are signs at the river mouth loudly proclaiming the place to be members' only. I ignore the signs knowing that the waters are navigable and navigable waterways in Oregon are open to the public. Docks on the other hand, sure.
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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

 

Thanks for doing the legwork, Rich. Too bad about the PYC not wanting to share, but they get a few points for being polite.

I hope your Covid tests keep turning up negative.

On 9/4/2020 4:43 PM, Rich G wrote:
Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.
Never know ’til you ask.
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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

I think the water rushes out from such places to “fill in” the void caused by the huge bow wake sucking up so much river water.  When the ship has passed it all levels out again.  

Rich

On Sep 5, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:

And this is exactly what happened as we were stern tied to the bank in the slough for lunch. I thought it was the strangest thing. 

On Saturday, September 5, 2020, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
One thing I remember about being docked in Willow Bar in the old days was that when a ship came up the river still with a bone in her teeth before the ship hove into view through the entrance all the water in the pooka would be in motion rushing out into the river.  Then when the ship passed well beyond, the water would come back in and of course all the time the docks were in motion bouncing around.




Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

And this is exactly what happened as we were stern tied to the bank in the slough for lunch. I thought it was the strangest thing. 


On Saturday, September 5, 2020, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
One thing I remember about being docked in Willow Bar in the old days was that when a ship came up the river still with a bone in her teeth before the ship hove into view through the entrance all the water in the pooka would be in motion rushing out into the river.  Then when the ship passed well beyond, the water would come back in and of course all the time the docks were in motion bouncing around.


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Richard Green
 

One thing I remember about being docked in Willow Bar in the old days was that when a ship came up the river still with a bone in her teeth before the ship hove into view through the entrance all the water in the pooka would be in motion rushing out into the river.  Then when the ship passed well beyond, the water would come back in and of course all the time the docks were in motion bouncing around.

Rich

On Sep 5, 2020, at 8:59 AM, Myles Twete <matwete@...> wrote:

Further:
 
 
Even if the bed of a waterway is privately owned, the waterway may be used by the public for certain purposes if it meets the state test of navigable-for-public-use (the “public use doctrine.”) A waterway is navigable-for-public-use if it has the capacity, in terms of length, width and depth, to enable boats to make successful progress through its waters. If a privately owned waterway meets this test, the lawful public uses generally include navigation, commerce or recreation. Recreation in this case includes use of small boats for pleasure and fishing, as well as swimming. The public may use the land adjacent to a waterway that is navigable-for-public use as long as the use of the adjacent land is “necessary” to the lawful use of the waterway.”
 
So ignore all No Trespassing signs going into that bay.
They should be ordered to remove those signs…otoh, I haven’t motored into that bay in at least a couple years now, so it’s possible they’ve been removed, but I doubt it.  Asserting that one is trespassing for entering a space that is legal to enter and requires no membership is more than just rude, it should be illegal.
 
From: oregoncoots@groups.io [mailto:oregoncoots@groups.io] On Behalf Of Myles Twete
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 8:44 AM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting
 
I suggest the circumnav coots gunkhole in that very beautiful cove one night just to piss off any PYC members thinking they own the navigable waterway of that bay.  Assholes.
 
From: oregoncoots@groups.io [mailto:oregoncoots@groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Green
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 4:44 PM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting
 
Received a kindly note from the PYC manager re: the Willow Bar.  Summed up in two words: no dice.  They have a strict policy of ’not sharing’ (my words) but was a very pleasant rejection and he wished luck and enjoyment to the group.
 
Never know ’til you ask.
 
Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
 
I have, it appears, sent an email to the manager of the PYC to inquire.  I’ll keep you posted should I hear back.
 
Rich

 

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
 

Ah, there it is.  I don’t know if the International Association of the Grand Coots and Yacht Club could get reciprocal privileges in there for a night or not.   

Rich

On Sep 4, 2020, at 2:29 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

I answered my own question: "Just 12 miles downstream from the clubhouse and moorage and inside a bay on the east side of beautiful Sauvie Island, +45° 44' 59", -122° 46' 17", lies the club’s member-only Willow Bar Outstation."

I hate it when boating facilities open to the public get turned into "gated communities". <sigh>

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Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

Elaine,

On Saturday, September 5, 2020, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:

Hey Mark please remember Belle Starr needs at least 6' clearance I'd hate to get stuck.

Yep, my comment about the bridge was with you in mind.  Of course, if we moored partway up the slough, it would be easy to backtrack to the river and avoid the bridge. It may be that low water is just as much a problem. That slough may not be a good place to go.

I'll be curious to see what the planning committee decides for stops on the river stretch.  I believe Sand Island at St. Helens is easily reachable from Caterlillar Island in a day, I'm just not sure of any good spots to stop between them, if need be.  Myles, any suggestions?

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

elaineginader
 

Hey Mark please remember Belle Starr needs at least 6' clearance I'd hate to get stuck.


On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 11:16 AM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
Myles,

I had to laugh at your 'tirade', as you were echoing everything I've thought about that cove.  I saw those signs way back in 2009 when Pat, Terry, and I passed by it on our way around Sauvie Island after the messabout.  And when I started my facilities update project, I looked at Google map imagery all along the river to Illwaco looking for points of interest. I was surprised to see Island Cove RV Park and Cove Marina listed there. I had hoped to stop in the other day by water, but we ended up going the channel route north instead. So, I figured when I drove to St.  Helens in the next week or so, I would swing by the place and ask about mooring there.  Richard saved me the trouble.

I like your idea of gunkholing in the cove, but the shoaling and possible low water may not agree. Hey, what if we anchor our fleet just inside the mouth, sort of a blockade? 😀

John, as we went north back in 2009, we pulled into Bachelor Slough for lunch and eventually continued around the island to Ridgefield.  The chart shows that slough as very shallow but we had no problem in our boats.  The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

Mark Neuhaus
 

Myles,

I had to laugh at your 'tirade', as you were echoing everything I've thought about that cove.  I saw those signs way back in 2009 when Pat, Terry, and I passed by it on our way around Sauvie Island after the messabout.  And when I started my facilities update project, I looked at Google map imagery all along the river to Illwaco looking for points of interest. I was surprised to see Island Cove RV Park and Cove Marina listed there. I had hoped to stop in the other day by water, but we ended up going the channel route north instead. So, I figured when I drove to St.  Helens in the next week or so, I would swing by the place and ask about mooring there.  Richard saved me the trouble.

I like your idea of gunkholing in the cove, but the shoaling and possible low water may not agree. Hey, what if we anchor our fleet just inside the mouth, sort of a blockade? 😀

John, as we went north back in 2009, we pulled into Bachelor Slough for lunch and eventually continued around the island to Ridgefield.  The chart shows that slough as very shallow but we had no problem in our boats.  The bridge would have been a problem for taller boats than ours.  Perhaps I can zoom up there in the next week or so if anyone would like a current (no pun intended) assessment.

Mark


Re: This Saturday: Sauvie's Island Circumnavigation Planning Meeting

tapper.lee@...
 

 I cant be at the planning meeting today, but am keen to hear about the results and hope to go on the cruise.

Lee