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Re: Baby Tender photos

antec007
 

I think I'll stick to simple, "Quick and dirty",
plywood, "Box Boats"
I get enough "Detail Work" building funiture.
I try not to have to do a lot of bending, but have
done it. Built a "Sleigh Bed" once with "Sleigh curved"
Head and footboards. Once was enough. "I don't do those."

I do have a "Bander" if you ever want to borrow it.
1/2" steel banding. It sucks things up pretty tight.
Is that what you were talking about for help in bending?
You can use it,I'll watch.

Do have fun with your daughter. Make the time.
It goes So Fast. Money can't buy back the times.

Pat

--- In MessaboutW@y..., chnookie@h... wrote:

Should be done in time. I'm really making progress now that I
have most of the frames in. I'd guess a week or so from now.
Plenty of time. If you are planning a lapstrake, my only advice
would be to NOT use Doug Fir unless you don't have tight
curves. A "normal" sized boat would probably be OK, but on
something small like this it sucks. The stuff is just to stiff to
bend the right way without breaking. Cedar would have been
much better (as the instructions indicated :) ). Oh well, who
actually reads instructions?

This would be kid number one, and I hope she DOES fit, at least
for a week or two!


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats

 

Hello Larry-

Nice little boat, looks like fun. What's that you're using for a sail?
Doesn't anybody here use a Bolger sail on their Bolger boat? <g>

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:51:06 -0700, Larry Barker wrote:
Greetings from the sunny end of the state.
I've uploaded a picture of our Bolger Nymph with Son Greg & I taking it out
on it's maiden sail last year at Emigrant Lake.
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Believe me my young friend, there is nothing--absolutely nothing--
half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats.
<Water Rat>


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Baby Tender photos

 

I've moved the photos of Chris and his baby tender to the members boat
directory. I'm a neatness fanatic when it comes to computers-- but you
should see my house! <g>

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats

lgbarker@...
 

Thanks John,
That is a free-from-a-neighbor's-barn (lots of old
barns and sheds up here) mast and sail that belonged to
some long-dead styrofoam daysailer.

Had to redo the mast step/thwart alignment to account
for the standard boom instead of the sprit. It's 50 sq
ft instead of the designed 40 (but then I have a lot of
"ballast" to haul around) and the old nylon has some
holes (but the seams still hold) (sail shape? it's a
triangle isn't it? :) but it works and it's paid for.

The $200 sailboat's frames and transom are glued and
screwed. If there's no emergency at home tonight I'll
start (finish?) laying out the side panels.

Later,
Larry

Quoting jhkohnen@...:

Hello Larry-

Nice little boat, looks like fun. What's that
you're using for a sail?
Doesn't anybody here use a Bolger sail on their
Bolger boat? <g>

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:51:06 -0700, Larry Barker
wrote:
Greetings from the sunny end of the state.
I've uploaded a picture of our Bolger Nymph
with Son Greg & I taking it out
on it's maiden sail last year at Emigrant
Lake.
...
--


Boat hardware

chnookie
 

Does anyone know if there is a place in Portland area that you can
buy the oddball stuff for building boats? Specifically, I am trying
to track down some copper rivets, ran out. I can mail order them,
but would love to find a little podunk store that carries stuff like
that for future reference. Any suggestions?


Boat hardware

chnookie
 

Does anyone know if there is a place in Portland area that you can
buy the oddball stuff for building boats? Specifically, I am trying
to track down some copper rivets, ran out. I can mail order them,
but would love to find a little podunk store that carries stuff like
that for future reference. Any suggestions?


Re: [MessaboutW] Boat hardware

thoms.bryn@...
 

try Wink's Hardware. I'm not sure how Chandlery-oriented they are but the
tend to be known for having lots of various hardware.

Beaver Bolt? they probably don't have any, but they might.

Maybe Riverswest folks know. Good luck, when you find out let us know

-----Original Message-----
From: chnookie@... [mailto:chnookie@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:57 PM
To: MessaboutW@...
Subject: [MessaboutW] Boat hardware


Does anyone know if there is a place in Portland area that you can
buy the oddball stuff for building boats? Specifically, I am trying
to track down some copper rivets, ran out. I can mail order them,
but would love to find a little podunk store that carries stuff like
that for future reference. Any suggestions?



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Re: Boat hardware

antec007
 

I would agree with Bryn. Winks carries some pretty odd things.
Riverswest would seem the best bet. They use those things.
It seems like there is a place called The Chandlery out
by the Colulmbia, but I don't know if they have those.

I also just called my Local "Ace is the place" hardware store,
and they have some here in Molalla. From #8 (3/4") down to tiny.
I don't know how many they have though. Maybe 50 of each size.
Might give a call to your Local Ace Place.

Pat

--- In MessaboutW@y..., thoms.bryn@d... wrote:
try Wink's Hardware. I'm not sure how Chandlery-oriented they are
but the
tend to be known for having lots of various hardware.

Beaver Bolt? they probably don't have any, but they might.

Maybe Riverswest folks know. Good luck, when you find out let us
know

-----Original Message-----
From: chnookie@h... [mailto:chnookie@h...]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 3:57 PM
To: MessaboutW@y...
Subject: [MessaboutW] Boat hardware


Does anyone know if there is a place in Portland area that you can
buy the oddball stuff for building boats? Specifically, I am
trying
to track down some copper rivets, ran out. I can mail order them,
but would love to find a little podunk store that carries stuff
like
that for future reference. Any suggestions?



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Re: Boat hardware

chnookie
 

Thanks gang.


Re: Boat hardware

antec007
 

Well, Did you find them, and if so, where?

Pat

--- In MessaboutW@y..., chnookie@h... wrote:
Thanks gang.


Re: Boat hardware

chnookie
 

No, just saying thanks. I will check Wink's. My local Ace is
unfortunately full of idiots. They have no clue what a rove is. I
have mail ordered what I need, but like I say, want a local source of
such stuff. I will let everyone know what I see on my visit to
Wink's. Probably go this weekend.


Re: Boat hardware

antec007
 

I went into my Ace Place today to get some plumbing parts
and they do have copper rivets.
You might have to go look for yourself.
Their's were next to the nuts and bolts in the little
pull out tray boxes. They had wuite a selection of sizes,
but don't know about the quantity of each.

I would think that Rivers West would or should keep a
supply of those little devils on hand.

I think I have only "Riven" a couple of times in my life.
Not much call in Plywood boats. (-;

Pat

--- In MessaboutW@y..., chnookie@h... wrote:
No, just saying thanks. I will check Wink's. My local Ace is
unfortunately full of idiots. They have no clue what a rove is. I
have mail ordered what I need, but like I say, want a local source
of
such stuff. I will let everyone know what I see on my visit to
Wink's. Probably go this weekend.


Florence Messabout

 

The ICM Restaurant in Florence has agreed to host the antique motors again
this year. They're near the head of the gangway going down to the
commercial docks, just a bit upstream from Mo's. We messabouters will put
in at the launch ramp and then "unofficially" try tying up out of the way
on the inside of the commercial docks. Or maybe somebody will get
permission to use them. At any rate, if we get kicked out of there we can
use the dock by the ramp, which is only a little less convenient. Of course
we'll be out on the water boating too, not just tied up. Unfortunately the
port director at Florence doesn't like boats, and doesn't like attracting
tourists to the harbor. :o( He could learn something from Depoe Bay.

September 22, put that on your calendar. I've put a plot of the tides for
that date into the Siuslaw River directory in the files section.

If anybody wants a poster, give me your address and I'll send you one.

I'm hoping to take my motor launch to the messabout, if I can get it to run
a bit better and it doesn't sink too fast... BTW, it looks like we're going
to put the launch into Dexter Sunday to see what happens. There's a very
wide ramp at Lowell park where we can leave the boat on the trailer in the
water to swell and not get in anybody's way. If you'd like to come and
watch you're welcome, but bring a bucket. <g>

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>


Gray Pix

 

I've put some more photos of the mighty Gray into the files section:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/JohnK/Gray-1.jpg

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/JohnK/Gray-2.jpg

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/JohnK/Gray-3.jpg


If those links don't work just go here and look around in the JohnK
directory:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/

I yanked the cylinder yesterday and have been poking around in the old
dear's innards. She's pretty beat up, but really not too bad for ninety
years old! There's sure not much to those old things.

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow.
<Mark Twain>


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats

 

Larry-

So how does the Nymph sail? About as well as you'd expect, like Pat's
Elegant Punt, or better? I'm sure it _seems_ like it's going real fast
anyway. <g>

My friend Steve built a $200 Sailboat, it looks like a real nice little
boat, it'll sail much better than you'd expect!. The $200 Sailboat is quite
lightly built, Steve used lauan and it seems to me to be barely up to the
job. I guess time will tell, but if it was me I'd have used either good
plywood (and had a $400 Sailboat? <g>) or AC fir, which isn't nearly as
nice to work with as lauan but is stronger. Steve made his rudder and
leeboard (Michalak style) from lauan also-- the leeboard broke the first
day he had the boat out, in maybe 10 mph of wind. The replacement is fir.
He hasn't been out sailing much this summer, been busy going to school, but
I'm going to try to convince him to take his boat to the Florence
messabout. You can see some photos of it at the Dexter Lake messabout here:

http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/01/Messabout-2.html

Good luck with your project! Keep us posted on your progress.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:51:50 -0700, Larry wrote:
Thanks John,
That is a free-from-a-neighbor's-barn (lots of old
barns and sheds up here) mast and sail that belonged to
some long-dead styrofoam daysailer.
...
The $200 sailboat's frames and transom are glued and
screwed. If there's no emergency at home tonight I'll
start (finish?) laying out the side panels.
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is
the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness.
<H. L. Mencken>


Nymph and Elegant Punt

antec007
 

Now that we've got two of these little Devils maybe we
can get them together and have "Western Oregon Messabout Cup"
match race. "Ahrgg"
The Loser's Head is the trophy.
I would be interested in seeing if the fancy multi-chine Nymph
is faster the "Box" of a "Toad". Guess I'd better win. (-'

I have though that "Nymph" is the perfect boat for "Introduction
to Stich and Glue 101" http://members.home.com/ehubbard5/a_dinghy.htm
Being a "Woodworker" and having learned to loathe figerglass work,
I still think that a few strips of wood and a some screws (or
Rivets) are a lot more fun, and a lot less mess and a whole lot
cheaper. (I do like Epoxy for glue.)
Nymph is not much larger that a Model.

I don't have a sail. The "Cute" little sail in the pic is long
gone.
John, you said you had a real "Bolger" sail?
Is it the diminsions he lists. 14'3" luff 9' foot.
(Boy that is a lot of sail for a 7'9"x3'7" boat.)
Gotta find a Messabout spot halfway between Eugene and Portland.

What do you thinks about my hollow lee/dagger/centerboard?
I tried out the idea on the Bolger board and the basic
"Simple, strong, not flat idea" got lost in minutia.
I dare you to break it. The atachment pionts will fail
way befor the board. Ahrgg again.

Ah Lauan. My favorite plywood. (Or it was when I could get it)
Light and cheap and waterproof.
It really isn't as fragile as it seems. I did manage to poke
a hole in the bottom of my Toad when it got pulled up on
top of a large pointed rock and I stepped in. Even then, it
didn't leak. Only cracked the plys. A little glass patch
and it was good as new. The kids have treated it pretty
rough. I have stored it out of the weather though.
I think thats what will kill it. My friends boats both got
left out, and they didn't last long.

My Son, Chad, came and got my Hobie 16 from under my shop
a couple of weeks ago. He's a Hobies Sailor from befor
he can remember, but the boat's not been sailed for almost ten years.
He was at UofO. Now he's wanting "Faster".
I told him about C-Class Cats. "You can tell a C-Cat race
by the deris trail in their wake." Lauan?

Everybody "Have Fun!"

Pat



--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
Larry-

So how does the Nymph sail? About as well as you'd expect, like
Pat's
Elegant Punt, or better? I'm sure it _seems_ like it's going real
fast
anyway. <g>

My friend Steve built a $200 Sailboat, it looks like a real nice
little
boat, it'll sail much better than you'd expect!. The $200 Sailboat
is quite
lightly built, Steve used lauan and it seems to me to be barely up
to the
job. I guess time will tell, but if it was me I'd have used either
good
plywood (and had a $400 Sailboat? <g>) or AC fir, which isn't
nearly as
nice to work with as lauan but is stronger. Steve made his rudder
and
leeboard (Michalak style) from lauan also-- the leeboard broke the
first
day he had the boat out, in maybe 10 mph of wind. The replacement
is fir.
He hasn't been out sailing much this summer, been busy going to
school, but
I'm going to try to convince him to take his boat to the Florence
messabout. You can see some photos of it at the Dexter Lake
messabout here:

http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/01/Messabout-2.html

Good luck with your project! Keep us posted on your progress.

On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:51:50 -0700, Larry wrote:
Thanks John,
That is a free-from-a-neighbor's-barn (lots of old
barns and sheds up here) mast and sail that belonged to
some long-dead styrofoam daysailer.
...
The $200 sailboat's frames and transom are glued and
screwed. If there's no emergency at home tonight I'll
start (finish?) laying out the side panels.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism,
and that is
the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for
happiness.
<H. L. Mencken>


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats

Larry Barker <lgbarker@...>
 

John,
(appologies to those who have seen a similar post on the Bolger list)
The picture I posted in the files is from her maiden sail. As tippy as she
was when we got in I more than half expected to do an immediate roll into
the water. Happily, this was not the case. My teenaged boys don't need
any more proof of their father's abilities.

Actually, the little Nymph sails quite well. It glides along easily enough
in light winds and I've had it on Diamond Lake in the afternoon winds (15-20
mph) and had a great time. Like Pat's boat, it plows at speed rather than
planes. It *does* make it seem fast but I haven't had Pat's feeling that I
was going to be swamped -- may be he has better sense(s). As far as
stability in the wind, my 200+ lbs gives all the ballast I've ever needed.
With my son aboard we total over 350 and it's as stable as a rock (and
crowded). And, if I'm at the helm, he gets the spray from the plowing.
Even with the baggy old nylon sail it goes to windward quite well. I've
never figured how close it would go to the wind but I was able to tack the
length of Diamond Lake without a problem. The only real problem with the
Nymph is also related to the ballast I walk around with - it's just a little
small for comfort - can't stretch my legs very well and a tack requires a
little more contortion than I want.

I built it pretty much to plans & Payson's directions in New Instant Boats.
Used 1/4" luan - no regrets yet - with West epoxy. Painted it with latex (OK
except where the bottom has been dragged thru the sand & gravel). Built the
leeboard & rudder from 3/4" fir ply. The 3/4" has been plenty strong but,
as Payson warned, warped a bit (say 1/2" over the length) but does not seem
to affect the sailing ability. A weight shift in that small of a boat makes
a lot more difference. I always keep the leeboard on one side and have had
no problems. I took 1/2 the length off of the tiller so I could sit in the
middle of the boat. The sheet was way too much work to hold so ran the
sheet through a block at the rudder head - used a big block and have avoided
any jams so far (I expect that a jammed sheet in a jibe would be entirely
too exciting :). The rudder needs to be pivoting for beach launching - too
much trouble hanging over the stern (excess ballast, etc.).

I had originally intended the Nymph as a tender for a boat we had when we
lived up north. I think Pat's Elegant Punt would do a lot better job - the
Nymph is just a little too tippy when you are getting in. Stepping off a
large boat into a tender can be enough of an adventure without the tender
shying as soon as you touch it.

The $200 sailboat (ACX fir, epoxy & PL Premium) is to get me sailing in bit
more comfort while I figure out which should be the 'next boat' and get it
bought or built. Still miss the Cascade 29 and the cruises but need
something that fits this end of the state a bit better. I'd already
studied your messabout pictures - thanks for posting them.

Enjoy Port Townsend for me, I won't be able to make it this year. But I'll
be making early reservations for 2002.

Larry

BTW, I have some more pictures of the Nymph posted at
http://home.internetcds.com/~lgbarker/nymph/nymph.html

----- Original Message -----
From: <jhkohnen@...>
To: <MessaboutW@...>
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats


Larry-

So how does the Nymph sail? About as well as you'd expect, like Pat's
Elegant Punt, or better? I'm sure it _seems_ like it's going real fast
anyway. <g>

My friend Steve built a $200 Sailboat, it looks like a real nice little
boat, it'll sail much better than you'd expect!. The $200 Sailboat is
quite
lightly built, Steve used lauan and it seems to me to be barely up to the
job. I guess time will tell, but if it was me I'd have used either good
plywood (and had a $400 Sailboat? <g>) or AC fir, which isn't nearly as
nice to work with as lauan but is stronger. Steve made his rudder and
leeboard (Michalak style) from lauan also-- the leeboard broke the first
day he had the boat out, in maybe 10 mph of wind. The replacement is fir.
He hasn't been out sailing much this summer, been busy going to school,
but
I'm going to try to convince him to take his boat to the Florence
messabout. You can see some photos of it at the Dexter Lake messabout
here:

http://www.boat-links.com/messabout/01/Messabout-2.html

Good luck with your project! Keep us posted on your progress.


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Mug and Boats

 

Larry-

I built my 6-Hour Canoe out of lauan and it's still going, but the 6-Hour
Canoe is pretty heftily framed. I was a bit shocked by how easily I could
break the scraps! I used 1/8" lauan for the flotation tanks and it seemed
almost as strong as the 1/4", in fact it seemed to be a better product
altogether, with better faces and fewer voids. Next time I'm going to use
Good Plywood, but I won't say that I'll never do another quick and dirty
boat. Lauan is nice to work with and I'd use it again in a boat that seemed
suited to it, but for a boat that seems to need more help from the plywood
I'd use AC fir-- and try to ignore the blemishes and not get caught in that
"fill and sand" drill trying to make it look good! <g>

The above is of course just my opinion, as always. Things got a bit rowdy
over on the Bolger list didn't they?

Steve used 3/4" for for his new rudder and leeboard. I haven't heard how
they work, maybe he's been too busy with school to even try them. I'd have
used multiple layers of ply in an attempt to defeat the warping.

Pickle came with huge sheets, maybe 1/2". They were very easy on the hands,
but too big for the sheet blocks. One thing I noticed was that they never
got badly tangled, even when I was sitting on them and getting them wrapped
around my feet! It seems like larger ropes aren't as tangle-prone as
smaller ones. I've replaced the 1/2" sheets with 3/8" and still don't have
a tangle problem, I'm not going to experiment with how small I can go
before one appears.

Thanks for telling us about your Nymph, it sounds like it's much better
than I'd expect. It looks real good too! I don't know if I'll ever try one,
but if I did I think I'd go with the Reubens Nymph because I carry around a
lot of ballast too, and am not as nimble as I used to be.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:32:07 -0700, Larry wrote:
...
I built it pretty much to plans & Payson's directions in New Instant Boats.
Used 1/4" luan - no regrets yet - with West epoxy. Painted it with latex (OK
except where the bottom has been dragged thru the sand & gravel). Built the
leeboard & rudder from 3/4" fir ply. The 3/4" has been plenty strong but,
as Payson warned, warped a bit
...
The sheet was way too much work to hold so ran the
sheet through a block at the rudder head - used a big block and have avoided
any jams so far (I expect that a jammed sheet in a jibe would be entirely
too exciting :).
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The trouble with the school of experience
is that the graduates are too old to go to work. <Henry Ford>


Re: [MessaboutW] Nymph and Elegant Punt

 

Pat-

The sail I have is for a Brick/Teal/Surf..., I don't recall the dimensions.
I got it cheap from Cameron Sails because they were trying to get me to
sell them. I didn't pursue that (Payson and Common Sense were already
selling them), and years later I still haven't built a boat to fit it! <g>
I think it's a good size for the Monk skiff, so I might try it there. I've
just got the sail, no spars.

I like your hollow foil idea, I'll probably try one out, maybe for the Monk
skiff. I think I'll go with a daggerboard on the skiff to keep the clutter
down to a minimum. I don't think the hull shape is right for a leeboard...
You ought to write up your hollow foil idea for Messing About in Boats, or
if that's too daunting you could write an article about them and I'll put
it on my Web page amongst the Tyvek sails, cheap oars and whatnot.

On Sun, 26 Aug 2001 18:24:21 -0000, Pat wrote:
...
I don't have a sail. The "Cute" little sail in the pic is long
gone.
John, you said you had a real "Bolger" sail?
Is it the diminsions he lists. 14'3" luff 9' foot.
(Boy that is a lot of sail for a 7'9"x3'7" boat.)
Gotta find a Messabout spot halfway between Eugene and Portland.

What do you thinks about my hollow lee/dagger/centerboard?
I tried out the idea on the Bolger board and the basic
"Simple, strong, not flat idea" got lost in minutia.
I dare you to break it. The atachment pionts will fail
way befor the board. Ahrgg again.
..
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into jail;
for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned...
A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.
<Samuel Johnson>


Duckworks Magazine - Depoe Bay

antec007
 

http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/

Nice "Cover Story" by Larry Barker. Well done.
Photos by John Ewing. Very nice.
(sorry if I missed any more credits)

Larry hadn't blown his own horn here.
Don't know if everyone has seen it and I missed it,
or the other way around.

"Bryn Thoms gets extra marks for neatness in his Gloucester Gull
presentation."
(It looks like that coil of line is epoxied in place. Does
that Dory always look like that?)

Thank you Guys.

Pat