Well, three of us, my gig-owning friend Bill, my antique motor nut friend
Charley, and me had a good road trip yesterday.

First we stopped at the Steamup near Brooks. Lots and lots of neat
machinery! Even a few marine engines. Particularly notable was an old
Frisco Standard single putting away at about 10 rpm. At antique motor
events the participants don't compete to see whose engine can go fastest,
they try to get their motors to turn the slowest! <g> But I would have
loved to hear that Standard throttled up, running under load. We kept our
eye out for a guy with a big mouth and a neck brace, but managed to miss
Pat. We did see a little model steam engine that somebody had left at M.
Hadley's model display, was that yours Pat? The gal there didn't remember
who'd left it and hadn't seen anyone with a neck brace, though she had seen
somebody with pins in his head and a metal frame on his shoulders holding
it up (shudder). There were lots of interesting ancient garden tractors
that Dick would have loved, and I was surprised to see three or four 1970s
Homelite garden tractors like I bought a few weeks ago. I think of 1970s as
_modern_! <g> The Steamup continues next weekend, if you love old, rusty,
greasy stuff it's close to paradise.

We had no idea where the "new Eastside Esplanade" in Portland was, or even
_what_ an "esplanade" is, but we figured it was downtown and on the east
side of the Willamette so we went downtown and took the first bridge we
came to, which providentially landed us on the east side near the boat
show. We could see it from the bridge and only had moderate difficulty
getting to the parking lot. It was a nice show, but not quite as nice as
Depoe Bay (or as big). There was a good bunch of nice boats, both in and
out of the water, and plenty of good people to talk to. I met Bernie
Wolfard for the first time, a nice fellow. Some of the boats and people
there I'd seen before at Depoe Bay and/or Port Townsend, and there were a
bunch more that were new to me.

I was a bit disappointed in the river, it's like a big, concrete lined
ditch there, rather sterile with its high seawall on both sides. I took a
free ride in a big skiff from the Riverswest Small Craft Center (who put
the show on) and got a good look at the big river pilots' sternwheel
tugboat Portland, a very impressive ship! I'd never seen her from the
water before, though I remember watching her work years ago (darn! there's
that "getting old" feeling again). The fire department's standby boat, the
James(?) Campbell was at the boat show, another impressive vessel, one of
three built in the 1920s. Dan Pence had the electric launch Ginger there, a
real beauty! And there was very comfortable little houseboat that stole my
heart. <g> A good show and a good day's fun! I'll put some photos in the
files section soon.

On the way back we stopped at a Mexican panaderia (bakery) in Woodburn and
had some real good pan dulce. From the corner in front of the bakery every
business sign was in Spanish and everyone around was speaking it as well.
It felt almost like being in Mexico, without having to travel 1500 miles!
I'm afraid I can't tell you how to find the panaderia, but it's worth
looking for. It's next to a butcher shop and has Wley Coyote and the
Roadrunner on its front.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The denunciation of the young is a necessary part of the hygiene of older
people, and greatly assists the circulation of the blood.
<Logan Pearsall Smith>

I looked for you John, but as you know, that was a big place,
and there were lots of folks there, and I usually had my nose
close to one of the engines trying to figure "How does it do that?"
Also, I probably wouldn't recognize you unless I saw you in a blowing
rain, so we could have been elbow to elbow gawking at the same engine.
Had she turned that little Model Steam Engine over she would have
found my name on the bottom.
I left it there, in the care of M. Hadley, figuring it would be in
good hands, and not have to have it in mine all day.
He had some great little models, but I was particularly intrigued
by the one that had the crooked driveline and the four cylinders.
He said that that is the same apparatus used in GM Air conditioning
Compressors, only with 7 cyliners.
But from the feel of the crowd, I think I could have left it
anywhere, and come back four hours later to just find it sitting
there, with someone bent over looking at it.
I think it is a model of one of the standard "Stationary Mill Engines"
They were fairly simple, and would sit there and provide power
to whatever it was you wanted to run.
I missed, or didn't recognize, the marine engines, but will keep an
eye open for it. I think I'm going back this Sunday with my son.

I agree 70's is not old enough to be there. Both of my trucks
are 74 and 77 and they're just my trucks.

I do have, what I discovered there, possibally an antique rototiller.
I think it is a Troy Built Model A, but not sure.

Portland Wooden Boat Show (finally)
Unforunatly I know what an "esplanade" is, and where it's located,
an beeing a former Vendor at the Portland (I know it was stolen
from Eugene) Saturday Market, and spending way too much time there,
and spending many hours lookiing a the river while trying to
excape from under the Burnside Bridge, I didn't think that was
going to be a very "Small Wooden Boat Friendly" site.
The river there is not nice, and I have seen hot summer days
with hundred of power boats on the river when even 18-20 glass
boats are tossed around by the waves that are bouncing and sometimes
magifying off the seawall.
My opinion is that it should be moved back to Oaks Park
(Very Nice Place)
I didn't go, and you did, and were able to talk to people there.
What did they think of New place?

The "Portland" is pretty impressive and If you want to see some
Big steam engines, She's got 'em.
Speaking of Stearn Wheeler's. I got to take an almost private
trip on the "Columbia Gorge" From Portland to Cascade Locks once.
We left Portland at midnight and got to Cascade lock next morning.
I spend much of my time in the Pilot House with Captain. Can't
call it a "Wheel House" it got's no Wheel.
Another long strange story for another time.

And, Oldtown Woodburn Is going to Mexico.
Strange town. Mexico, Russia, and USA all in one place.

enough

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon



--- In MessaboutW@e..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Well, three of us, my gig-owning friend Bill, my antique motor nut

friend

Charley, and me had a good road trip yesterday.

First we stopped at the Steamup near Brooks. Lots and lots of neat
machinery! Even a few marine engines. Particularly notable was an

old

Frisco Standard single putting away at about 10 rpm. At antique

motor

events the participants don't compete to see whose engine can go

fastest,

they try to get their motors to turn the slowest! <g> But I would

have

loved to hear that Standard throttled up, running under load. We

kept our

eye out for a guy with a big mouth and a neck brace, but managed to

miss

Pat. We did see a little model steam engine that somebody had left

at M.

Hadley's model display, was that yours Pat? The gal there didn't

remember

who'd left it and hadn't seen anyone with a neck brace, though she

had seen

somebody with pins in his head and a metal frame on his shoulders

holding

it up (shudder). There were lots of interesting ancient garden

tractors

that Dick would have loved, and I was surprised to see three or

four 1970s

Homelite garden tractors like I bought a few weeks ago. I think of

1970s as

_modern_! <g> The Steamup continues next weekend, if you love old,

rusty,

greasy stuff it's close to paradise.

We had no idea where the "new Eastside Esplanade" in Portland was,

or even

_what_ an "esplanade" is, but we figured it was downtown and on the

east

side of the Willamette so we went downtown and took the first

bridge we

came to, which providentially landed us on the east side near the

boat

show. We could see it from the bridge and only had moderate

difficulty

getting to the parking lot. It was a nice show, but not quite as

nice as

Depoe Bay (or as big). There was a good bunch of nice boats, both

in and

out of the water, and plenty of good people to talk to. I met Bernie
Wolfard for the first time, a nice fellow. Some of the boats and

people

there I'd seen before at Depoe Bay and/or Port Townsend, and there

were a

bunch more that were new to me.

I was a bit disappointed in the river, it's like a big, concrete

lined

ditch there, rather sterile with its high seawall on both sides. I

took a

free ride in a big skiff from the Riverswest Small Craft Center

(who put

the show on) and got a good look at the big river pilots' sternwheel
tugboat Portland, a very impressive ship! I'd never seen her from

the

water before, though I remember watching her work years ago (darn!

there's

that "getting old" feeling again). The fire department's standby

boat, the

James(?) Campbell was at the boat show, another impressive vessel,

one of

three built in the 1920s. Dan Pence had the electric launch Ginger

there, a

real beauty! And there was very comfortable little houseboat that

stole my

heart. <g> A good show and a good day's fun! I'll put some photos

in the

files section soon.

On the way back we stopped at a Mexican panaderia (bakery) in

Woodburn and

had some real good pan dulce. From the corner in front of the

bakery every

business sign was in Spanish and everyone around was speaking it as

well.

It felt almost like being in Mexico, without having to travel 1500

miles!

I'm afraid I can't tell you how to find the panaderia, but it's

worth

looking for. It's next to a butcher shop and has Wley Coyote and the
Roadrunner on its front.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The denunciation of the young is a necessary part of the hygiene

of older

people, and greatly assists the circulation of the blood.
<Logan Pearsall Smith>

John,
I got my outboard motor back yesterday. It had dirt in the carb
and a broken reed with one reed missing. Runs fine now. So I'll be
there unless it rains too much. Don't care to play in the rain, not
as enjoyable as sunshine.
I be glad to take one more person if he's an average size guy. My
brother might come too if he gets back from one of his hauls, so I
want to leave a place open for him.
We made it to the Tractor Show after all, just didn't take the
York, met three guys that also own Yorks. One guys is a little newer
than mine. We went Sunday with my brother and his wife. Show was
much bigger than expected. Did you see the old outboards, also the
big plane engine, he started up for us. Was pretty neat. Spent the
better share of the day there and still didn't see it all. Jan said I
missed some neat stuff a the Vendor tents that were East of the rest
of the Show.
Well see ya Sat. as long as it doesn't rain too much.

Dick



--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Dick-

Great! Hope the shop gets the motor done in time. What's wrong with

it?

If you can take a passenger or two to Elk City let us know, so
non-motorboating messabouters can have a chance to go along.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:42:50 -0000, Dick Mitsch wrote:

-John, I'll be at Elk City as,long as I get my outboard motor out

of

the shop. I took it in Tues. They said 7 to 10 days, & 10 days

would

be the Fri. before the trip. I'm going to give them a call

tonight

and see if anythings been done yet & to push them along quicker.
So I plan on coming if I have a motor. Well off to work I go. I'd
rather be going where your going. Dick

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the

truth.

<Alfred North Whitehead>

Dick-

I think we're going rain or shine, unless it's _really_ rainy and
miserable. So far the weatherman says a chance of showers early then partly
cloudy, that sounds pretty good. If the weather is too miserable when we
get down to Toledo we'll think up some other boating related adventure
(retreat to Sawyer's Landing? ;o) ). We're planning on leaving the Toledo
ramp about 10:30-11:00. If anybody wants a ride contact Dick.

Glad you got to the steamup, it's quite an event! We only spent maybe three
hours there, and that included sausage and onions for lunch, so there was a
lot we missed. We didn't see the outboards, but did see the radial plane
engine, the owner was just shutting it down when we walked up. We also
missed the truck museum altogether. Maybe next year. The steamup deserves a
whole day to itself, and this year we had to split the day with the boat
show.

See you Saturday.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. <Mark Twain>

Pat-

We were looking out for you, but of course with all that beautiful
machinery to look at we were distracted more often than not. You probably
passed right behind us while we were drooling over some one-lunger or
ancient tractor. <g>

RiversWest has really climbed onto the Eastside Esplanade bandwagon. :o(
The city is promising them a new shop somewhere around there, and they're
excited about moving closer to downtown, so none of the RiversWest folks
were going to say anything bad in public about this year's show site. <g>
There weren't big crowds of non-RiversWest people at the show, perhaps
because of the location, it's kind of off the beaten track and the river is
pretty dreary right there. A TV camera crew was there Saturday and maybe
being on the TV news that night helped the turnout Sunday. I hope so, I
like what RiversWest is doing and I wouldn't want them to get discouraged.
BTW, their Web page is back:

http://www.riverswest.org/

And so is Common Sense Boats'. The outfit that was hosting their Web pages
went out of business and the owner left town in a hurry!

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for;
as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. <H. L. Mencken>

The tin skiff flaked out again! :o( I'm beginning to think maybe he's not
so reliable. <g> So I'm taking Pickle to Elk City tomorrow, and will have
room for one or two passengers. Let me know if you want to go along. We'll
be leaving the Toledo launch ramp about 10:30-11:00 Saturday.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
<Alfred North Whitehead>

I am new to this stuff. I live in Milwaukie, and am starting
to get interested in small boats. I keep hearing about Rivers West.
What do they do? Is this a club or ...? I also saw where someone
said they have a website, but I can't get it to work. Is there one,
and what might the address be? Thanks in advance. I look forward to
maybe actually contributing something to this group, as soon as I
manage to talk the wife into letting me build something that is!

Welcome aboard

Rivers West Small Craft Center is kind of a boatbuilding
group/school. John Kohnen will probably give you the whole story
when he reads your post.
Might want to try his boat-links page http://www.boat-links.com/
Should keep you busy for a while.

They have been teaching, and builing wooden boats and sponsoring the
Portland Wooden Boat Show for several years. They are located on the
same property as Oaks Amusement Park. On the South East side. Use
Oaks Park entrance.
I just tried their www.riverswest.org address and couldn't
get it to work either. John might have another contact for you.

Most of the folks in this group are in the Eugene area.
I guess I'm the closest one to you. I live just outside
of Molalla.

Mostly interesed in small wooden boats, building, buying, old stuff,
admiring, lying about, etc. and informal get togethers
with other like souls. I thinks we've all built at least one
wooden boat.
Are you intersted in any particular type of boat. Sail, rowing
paddling?

Hang around we've got plenty of free advise. Worth what you
pay for it.
Lots of small boat people around this area. This is just one way to
meet some of them.

Have fun

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon


--- In MessaboutW@e..., chnookie@h... wrote:

I am new to this stuff. I live in Milwaukie, and am starting
to get interested in small boats. I keep hearing about Rivers West.
What do they do? Is this a club or ...? I also saw where someone
said they have a website, but I can't get it to work. Is there

one,

and what might the address be? Thanks in advance. I look forward

to

maybe actually contributing something to this group, as soon as I
manage to talk the wife into letting me build something that is!

How went the Elk City trip? If I don't here from you in
a week or so, I'll assume the motor repair didn't go so well,
and send somebody to look for you.
I wonder if anybody besides you know there is an Elk City.

Pat

chnookie-

What's you name? We don't have any secrets here. <g>

RiversWest just got a new Web page host after their previous one left town
in a hurry. The new site worked fine a few days ago, I suspect the current
problem is a temporary technical glitch.

http://www.riverswest.org/

A nutshell description of RiversWest, in their own words: "RiversWest Inc.
is a non-profit organization encouraging personal involvement in
construction, recreation use and history of low impact boats." I only know
them from a distance, but I think they started out as a support group for
uncurable amateur boatbuilders, and that seems to continue to be their main
focus, though they've expanded their mission. They've got a boatshop at Oak
Park amusement park near Selwood where members have room for their own
projects, and can pitch in on projects for the organization itself. It
sounds like a great place for a budding boatbuilder! I wish we had
something like that up here in Eugene.

A good person to ask for more info about RiversWest is Tom Carter:

cartport@aol.com

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>

The Antique Outboard Motor Club folks had their annual get-together
yesterday and voted to have an outboard showing in Florence for the chowder
fest September 22. We're going to combine the promotion of the show and the
Messabout, you take a look at the poster here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/Siuslaw%20River/Florence.gif

The Siuslaw River at Florence is a nice place for boating-- except that
you've got to pay attention to the current. There are some interesting
sloughs not far from Florence (behind Cox Island) and the North Fork looks
like a fun place to explore too. Speed demon sailboaters can go down below
the bridge to where the sailboarders cavort in front of the Lotus, the
typical summer north wind usually blows good down there. The launch ramp (a
pretty good one) in Florence is just upriver from downtown, past the big
parking lot. We can tie up on the inside of the commercial docks for easy
access to town and the motor show, which was in front of that restaurant
about at the head of the gangway going down to the docks last year, and
will probably be there again (the restaurant owners appreciated the
attention). The weather in late September is usually Very Nice at the
coast, probably the nicest time of year.

I've put a map of the Florence area here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/Siuslaw%20River/FlorenceMap.jpg

BTW, at the AOMC outing I picked up a new engine for my Crestliner. I'd
been looking for a Johnson or Evinrude to replace my Merc and, lo and
behold, there was a brand new Johnson 22 horse there! Brand new and never
been run, but built in 1941. <g> A fellow I know found several of the
things a while back, old Marine Corps Johnson POs intended for powering
some kind of assault boat, or something. He made me an offer I couldn't
refuse and soon the engine was in the back of my pickup. <g> It's a real
monster! A big opposed twin with no neutral or reverse and above water
exhaust. Looks like fun! I guess I'm really an antique outboard nut now and
will have to join the club to find support for my affliction...

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I Can't take a well-tanned person seriously. <Cleveland Amory>

Sorry about the cloak and dagger. Didn't even think about it.
Thanks all for the notes. Thanks also for the info on Rivers West.
Kind of about what I hoped for and figured it would be, but I really
didn't want to call them up and say, "Uh, Hi. What do you people
do?" So I'm much more comfortable now. I should check them out.
Sounds like just the place for me to dive into yet another hobby!
The wife will love that. Once again, thanks for the welcome and the
info.

yeah, the Rivers West group. I'm not sure if that was the name of them when
my Mom took a small boat building clas from them fifteen years ago, but the
Oak's Park group have been there for awhile. The guy I know of is Bob
Young, I think, anyway, the class that my mom took was "Building the
Firecracker" a 9 foot rowing dory/skiff. It's a perfect boat for learning
the basics of hard-chined plywood dory construction, ya know wrapping 1/4"
plywood from stem to stern around fixed frames. In this case, the frames
are two, they make up the thwart base, and they remain in the boat after
construction. The boat was designed to be built in a day and raced across
the Willamette either the same day or the next, during the fourth of July
festivities.

So that was the first boat I built, and then moved on to other somewhat more
complex dories, if you can say that about plywood dory construction. It
truelly is the one of the simpler of wooden boat building techniques.

I think some of the folks at Rivers West have been involved with the
Portland Historical Society in building some neat old boats, you might be
able to get involved with something like that and donate your time and learn
lots and become totally edified. I don't if any of you guys noticed, but I
think there is a photo of downtown Portland in during a large flood at the
turn of the century (the previous turn) with a bunch of whitehalls in the
most recent whitehall article in WB. Maybe it's in Gardner's "Building
Small Craft", I can't remember, what ever the case, I think that's pretty
cool.

Also - while I'm on the email, I have to let everyone know about my own
little steam-up I had in my back yard. I didn't make it to Brooks, sounds
like fun, anyway, I was using my black iron pipe heat exchanger in the fire
pit the other night to heat up the hill billy hot tub (this is the one I
plan to use to steam oak ribs, someday), so something got blocked up in the
lines, and I turned on the crappy little transfer pump to circulate the
water through the fire and all of sudden there was a loud rumbling, the
garden hose (goes from the pump to the heat exchanger and then back to the
tub) was thrashing around and very shortly there was a loud pop followed by
a loud hiss of steam jetting out from the hose near the heat exchanger. It
was quite exciting and a good reminder that steam can do some serious
damage.

Later

We had a good time Saturday, Dick Mitsch and his brother Bob showed up with
Dick's beautiful skiff Orca, and I was there with Pickle. The trip up to
Elk City was a bit tedious at times, as we passed through a lot of recently
clear cut hills at 5+ knots. The river itself was nice, and there were
interesting sights along the shore, plenty of blue herons and kingfishers,
lots of swallows, a few buzzards and a couple of ducks that acted like the
"steamboat" ducks that live down by Tierra del Fuego, paddling frantically
along with their wings but not taking off and flying. Orca seemed to do
well with Dick's 4 horse Merc (which ran fine all the way), but Pickle
squatted badly with my 2 horse Honda and me sitting in the sternsheets. If
I'd had a passenger for ballast forward I think she would have gone along
much better, or maybe if I could have steered from further forward, but as
it was I got less speed than I can with the sail and a good breeze and it
didn't do much good to run more than 3/4 throttle.

As we neared Elk City the scenery improved. We had lunch at the county park
there, then explored a ways up Big Elk Creek, which joins the Yaquina River
at Elk City. Big Elk Creek was very nice, narrow, peaceful and shady, but
with plenty of water. The hills may have been scalped, but we couldn't see
them throught the streamside trees and brush. Next time I think I'll put in
at Elk City and have more time for going up Big Elk Creek and the upper
Yaquina River.

The trip back to Toledo was uneventful, except for seeing a Willamette and
Pacific freight train on the tracks by the river. At the Toledo ramp a
jetskier who was already wet helped get Orca back on her trailer, guess
they're not all crude, rude idiots. <g> It was a Good Day on the water.

My GPS says it was 10.9 miles from the Toledo ramp to Elk City.

Not many people know about Elk City these days, but it used to be a hopping
place back when the river was the highway. It was situated at the head of
steamboat navigation on the Yaquina, and the wagon road from the valley
ended there. Then somebody built a railroad and Elk City started fading
away, when the highway was put in far away the town fell all the way into
obscurity. You can find Elk City in books about ghost towns, but it didn't
really die, just shrank away to a shadow of its former glory. I didn't get
out of the park Saturday for a look around town, but it looks like a nice,
quiet place. It's way off the beaten track these days.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.
<Elizabeth Taylor>

Chris-

Welcome aboard! What kind of boat are you thinking of building? This list
isn't just for planning messabouts, we also talk about our various boat
projects and dreams. Most of us have built a boat or two, or are building
one now. I've built an Elegant Punt and a 6-Hour Canoe myself. I wish I'd
built my sailing skiff, Pickle, because she gets so many compliments, but I
have to give the credit to her builder, Louie Brochetti. Pat's built an
Elegant Punt and a Rapid Robert, at least, and Bryn built a very nice Don
Hill driftboat and has taken on a lapstrake motorboat restoration. I'll let
the other folks pipe up about their own projects if they like.

Another good mailing list for an amateur boatbuilder is the Bolger list.
Even if you don't plan on building a Bolger boat you can find lots of good
(and otherwise <g>) advice there. The discussion isn't at all limited to
just Bolger designs, but generally sticks to easily built boats:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/

The rec.boats.building newsgroup is also a good place.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
All the troubles of man come from his not knowing how to sit still.
<Blaise Pascal>

Pat mentioned that most of this list's members are in the Eugene area. Not
so, Pat. So far most of the members are from elsewhere; a couple on the
coast, one down near Ashland, another in Lebanon, and so on. Only Bryn and
I live in Eugene. Faced with this demographic I've decided to change the
name of the list to "The Western Oregon Messabout Mailing List". The
intended focus will remain on messabouts "within an area convenient for
residents of Oregon's upper Willamette Valley" since that's where I live,
and I own the list. <g> The list's address will remain the same, you don't
need to do anything to stay subscribed, only the name has changed.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Correlation does not imply causation; except, of course, to your cat.
<Craig O'Donnell>

I have a huge list of boats I would like to try. They include: drift
boat, drift pram, dories of all shapes and sizes (I like dories),
yankee tender, some kind of whitehall or wherry, and just about any
other boat with nice lines that has plans advertised in the back of
WB. I am just finishing up a Jordan Baby Tender, which is lapstrake
and has given me some testing, so I'm not in a real big hurry to do
another lapstrake just yet. Most likely candidates are the drift
pram or something like the Gloucester Light Dory. Dunno for sure.

I was ignorant, but I don't want to stay that way.
I've met a couple of people on this list, but it was at
Depoe Bay, and by the time I'd gotten to put names with
faces, everyone kind of looked the same in the blowing rain.

It would be good for me, and maybe others, if each member
could post a brief Bio, with Real name, location, boats owned/
built/thinking about buiding, and any other info you want.

I know that's what Messabouts are supposed to be about.
I will make it to another when I am able, but until then,
it would be nice to be able to put a face/boat with a name.

I'll put mine in later today, after I try to remember all
the boats I have built.

John, how we doing on "File Space". Would it be possible
to post some people and or boats along with names?

Thanks all
Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon

--- In MessaboutW@e..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Pat mentioned that most of this list's members are in the Eugene

area. Not

so, Pat. So far most of the members are from elsewhere; a couple on

the

coast, one down near Ashland, another in Lebanon, and so on. Only

Bryn and

I live in Eugene. Faced with this demographic I've decided to

change the

name of the list to "The Western Oregon Messabout Mailing List". The
intended focus will remain on messabouts "within an area convenient

for

residents of Oregon's upper Willamette Valley" since that's where I

live,

and I own the list. <g> The list's address will remain the same,

you don't

need to do anything to stay subscribed, only the name has changed.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Correlation does not imply causation; except, of course, to

your cat.

<Craig O'Donnell>

Pat-

When I thought up the messabout list I imagined corraling all the small
boat folks I'd met at the launch ramps on Fern Ridge so we could talk about
getting together for messing about, you folks far away would be welcome of
course, but most of the members would be from around here. But there was no
water in Fern Ridge this year! I haven't been boating as often as I like
because it's harder to get going when the water is far away, and when I do
get out on the water I don't see many interesting boats, or the people I
used to see at the launch ramps (and didn't get contact info from :o( ).
Next year there'll be plenty of water at Fern Ridge (knock on wood), but in
the mean time I think it's been good to have our modest membership spread
around the area, if most of us were from the Eugene area the list might
feel like an exclusive little club and you furriners would feel left out of
the loop. As it is we've got a much broader base of geographical experience
and the list is off to a more "cosmopolitan" start, as it were. <g>

The bio and boat idea is a good one. I hope some of the people who are
lurking in the background, reading the list but not signing up with Yahoo,
will come out of the woodwork and let us know they're there. Anybody can
post to the list via the Web page, I don't know about email. We've got
plenty of file space right now, but be careful about the file sizes of the
pictures you put there. I think I scared Pat away with the very pedantic
post I wrote about the subject a while back (see the archive). <g> I'm
afraid image file size and inappropriate format is a pet peeve of mine.
:o( But anyway, crank up the JPEG compression a bit so we don't run out of
file space too quickly. I made a folder in the file section called
MembersBoats for members' mugs and boats. In the meantime, Larry Barker and
Myself are in this photo:

http://www.boat-links.com/PT2000/Bolgerians.jpg

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be
pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues.
<Elizabeth Taylor>

OK, looks like their site is back up at www.riverswest.org . Good
little review, sounds interesting.