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Re: [MessaboutW] Re: red vs. white oak, Depoe Bay and froing

 

The Vikings split the planks of their longships from oak logs. They started
the split at the end of the log with a froe, then used wedges to run it
down the length of the log. Then they used adzes to square up the planks.
I'll put an illustration showing the method into the files section.

Oregon White Oak oughta work just fine for steamed ribs. I'll bet most of
the old Northwest fishing boats with steamed ribs used it. I can't imagine
the builders shipping in green Eastern White Oak for ribs (or anything
else) when OWO was so handy. That hardwood mill in Roseburg can probably
get Bryn OWO without any problems.

On Thu, 31 May 2001 17:51:46 -0000, Pat Patteson wrote:
...
I have not personally tried to split a 6' white oak log, but
I have a friend that makes Wooden Bows (like bow and arrows).
He works with all kind of native green woods and I am pretty
sure he would know how to do it, if anyone does. A lost art.
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious.
<H. L. Mencken>


Dories

 

60-70 horsepower, that's a hotrod! I can remember when 35 hp. on a 16' boat
seemed to be plenty enough to do what people wanted to do, whether it was
skiing or racing across the lake. <sigh> I figure 25 on my Crestliner will
make it enough of a speedboat for me. I hate the idea of putting a diry old
2 stroke on it, but it's silly to spend big bucks on a new 4-stroke for an
old beater of a boat. I've thought about going with a new (or nearly)
2-stroke, at least they burn less oil. GI Joe's has a good price on a
Nissan 25 horse, but the one they have in the store is a long shaft. I
asked them to check on the availability of a short shaft, but they never
called me back. :o( After buying the old van I don't feel like spending so
much money right now anyway.

Scott's Swampscott dory is built to plans from Ian Oughtred! It's a
beautiful boat, but it seems a bit odd buying plans for such a distinctly
American boat from across the pond. Gardner collected and published a bunch
of nice dory (and dory-like) plans. An 18' Marblehead gunning dory lives on
Royal Avenue just off Highway 99, on the left. A fellow named Alexi built
it years ago (had its maiden voyage in Depoe Bay) and took it to Alaska
where he used it for sport fishing and general messing about. It looks
pretty well-used now. Alexi is a proper boat nut. While we were talking his
significant other came out to see what was up, he said "we're talking
boats" and she rolled her eyes knowingly and retreated. She'd seen that
plenty before! He's got an old BC Ferry lifeboat in the back yard that he's
going to fix up "one of these days".

On Wed, 30 May 2001 13:06:28 -0700, Bryn Thoms wrote:
Yes the runabout is outboard powered, I beleive the old add for the cruiser
has a 60 hp or maybe 70,
...
I got the urge
to look for a nice sailing dory plan from the Gradner book after I saw those
photos. Scott's got a nice looking boat, well they are all nice. The
swampsoctt or Gunning, or possibly the Alpha beach comer is on my list of
future boats.
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes.
<Henry David Thoreau>


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Re: [MessaboutW] Good book

Jack & Maggie Brown <mjbrown@...>
 

John: Yes I agree; too much for us too. Fun to think about it though. If Maggie and I do the Depoe Bay to Yaquina trip, we'll put the 4hp kicker in the well. A messabout on the Yaquina sounds more peaceful; somtime this summer we should do it. We could put in up the river a bit, or launch at South Beach.
Jack


Dorena Messabout

 

How about a Messabout on Dorena Lake, at Baker Bay state park, on June 16,
and optionally the 17th if anybody wants to stay over. Well, _somebody_ had
to throw something definite out for the next messabout! <g> Somebody else
do it next time...

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I Can't take a well-tanned person seriously. <Cleveland Amory>


Re: red vs. white oak, Depoe Bay and froing

antec007
 

Nice illustration John. Pretty much shows it all. I think I would
cut the top off the tree first, but what do I know.
I think the log has to be very green. Like the same day it's
cut. A week might make it much harder.

I don't really think it's the tools that are important.
It's those sandels.
I think Bryn has a friend in Portland that could snag him a pair,
but you guys live in Eugene, I guess he could pick up a pair
in just about any store in town.

Still haven't heard back from my "Bow" guy, but that looks like
the technique.
Split is better than sawn, and Red Oak is not good. and 6' shouldn't
be too long to split.
I've got a Fro somewhere I don't use on a daily basis. Maybe I could
mail it to him.


--- In MessaboutW@e..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
The Vikings split the planks of their longships from oak logs. They
started
the split at the end of the log with a froe, then used wedges to
run it
down the length of the log. Then they used adzes to square up the
planks.
I'll put an illustration showing the method into the files section.

Oregon White Oak oughta work just fine for steamed ribs. I'll bet
most of
the old Northwest fishing boats with steamed ribs used it. I can't
imagine
the builders shipping in green Eastern White Oak for ribs (or
anything
else) when OWO was so handy. That hardwood mill in Roseburg can
probably
get Bryn OWO without any problems.

On Thu, 31 May 2001 17:51:46 -0000, Pat Patteson wrote:
...
I have not personally tried to split a 6' white oak log, but
I have a friend that makes Wooden Bows (like bow and arrows).
He works with all kind of native green woods and I am pretty
sure he would know how to do it, if anyone does. A lost art.
...

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is
suspicious.
<H. L. Mencken>


Yaquina Bay

jhkohnen@...
 

Jack-

You and John Thorpe are our eyes and ears on that part of the coast. Can
you scout around Yaquina Bay for a good messabout spot? Ideally, a
messabout spot should include a nice place on shore for standing/sitting
around talking about boats, as well as a place to use them.

The river up by Criteser (spelling?) Marina near Toledo looked quite
inviting the other day when I stopped there, but there was little wind. A
nice sailing skiff lives there though, so maybe it's not so bad all the
time. Criteser Marina is a very pleasant little mom & pop mooring, with a
generally high grade clientelle of older fishing boats. I'll bet
arrangements could be made to have a messabout there. I don't know where
the nearest launch ramp is though.

Alsea Bay has also been mentioned as a good messabout spot. Know any good
spots there?

On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 06:34:27 -0000, Jack Brown wrote:
...
A messabout on the Yaquina sounds more peaceful; somtime this summer we
should do it. We could put in up the river a bit, or launch at South
Beach.
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are the divinely
provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever they are on the brink of
starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy send them a nice plump missionary.
<Oscar Wilde>


Re: red vs. white oak, Depoe Bay and froing

jhkohnen@...
 

Pat-

If you look closely you can see that the log has been cut off below the
crown. I'll bet Sam Manning left the crown lying there in all its bushy
glory to emphasize that the log is newly cut and quite green.

Bryn or I could easily find footwear like that at the Saturday Market, in
fact, we could probably get the whole outfit there. <g>

On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 06:33:21 -0000, Pat Pateson wrote:
Nice illustration John. Pretty much shows it all. I think I would
cut the top off the tree first, but what do I know.
I think the log has to be very green. Like the same day it's
cut. A week might make it much harder.

I don't really think it's the tools that are important.
It's those sandels.
I think Bryn has a friend in Portland that could snag him a pair,
but you guys live in Eugene, I guess he could pick up a pair
in just about any store in town.
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into jail;
for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned...
A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.
<Samuel Johnson>


Yaquina Bay

ajonn2000@...
 

John,

I will contact Warren Jordan regarding possible sites in Alsea Bay.
As I mentioned to you, he and his family sail his "Footloose" in the
Bay and on the river, quite frequently. He should know some good
launching spots for a possible "messabout". Who knows, he may decide
to join our group. There is usually a pretty good breeze out in the
Bay.

John T.


Re: Yaquina Bay

antec007
 

I'm still gonna be cript up for at least another month,
but probably could make it to Newport.
Don't have GP-16 anywhere but in my mind, and dreams, but could
probably bring over old "Rapid Robert" or Boger Dory.

South Beach probably a good lauch for the Bay.
Ther is a nice "Beach" at the end of the road to the Marine
Science center. Somtimes too nice. Very shallow, and with tide,
boats could be left high and dry, or float away.

Maybe Bryn could check a tide table and pick a good weekend without
much tidal change.

Pat Patteson


--- In MessaboutW@e..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:
Jack-

You and John Thorpe are our eyes and ears on that part of the
coast. Can
you scout around Yaquina Bay for a good messabout spot? Ideally, a
messabout spot should include a nice place on shore for
standing/sitting
around talking about boats, as well as a place to use them.

The river up by Criteser (spelling?) Marina near Toledo looked quite
inviting the other day when I stopped there, but there was little
wind. A
nice sailing skiff lives there though, so maybe it's not so bad all
the
time. Criteser Marina is a very pleasant little mom & pop mooring,
with a
generally high grade clientelle of older fishing boats. I'll bet
arrangements could be made to have a messabout there. I don't know
where
the nearest launch ramp is though.

Alsea Bay has also been mentioned as a good messabout spot. Know
any good
spots there?

On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 06:34:27 -0000, Jack Brown wrote:
...
A messabout on the Yaquina sounds more peaceful; somtime this
summer we
should do it. We could put in up the river a bit, or launch at
South
Beach.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are
the divinely
provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever they are on the
brink of
starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy send them a nice plump
missionary.
<Oscar Wilde>


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Yaquina Bay

 

So how about a messabout on Yaquina Bay in the middle of July? We can
launch at South Beach and use the beach by the Hatfield center (remembering
that oceans have tides <g>) or maybe Jack or John Thorpe can come up with
someplace on the bay that's even better.

Perhaps you can detect a pattern. <g> I'm encouraging us to have a
messabout about once a month.

On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:23:24 -0000, Pat wrote:
...
South Beach probably a good lauch for the Bay.
Ther is a nice "Beach" at the end of the road to the Marine
Science center. Somtimes too nice. Very shallow, and with tide,
boats could be left high and dry, or float away.
...
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>


Siuslaw River

 

A friend of mine wants to have a messabout in Florence during the Chowder
Festival in late September, possibly combined with an antique outboard
motor exhibition (we had one of those there last year). I've sailed in the
Siuslaw at Florence and it's nice, but you do have to pay attention to the
tides. If the tides are strong during the Chowder fest we could have a
motorboat (probably with an antique outboard engine) hovering around to tow
us back in case we get swept away. <g>

I ought to take up antique outboards, they look like a good way to get some
exercise; either pulling on the starter rope or rowing. ;O)

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal.
If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle...
they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for
them by gasoline. <Theodore Roosevelt>


This List

 

We haven't done very well recruiting new list members. I know the list is
only two weeks old, and we shouldn't get impatient, but some folks I've
personally asked haven't joined us. I suspect that some of them may be
leery of signing up with Yahoo. :o(

When I set up the list I made it so only members can read the messages and
post to the list. I was concerned that some of you might not want your
email addresses out where anybody could drop by and see them. But now I'm
wondering if it might be better if I opened the list up so anybody can read
the messages, without having to sign up with the evil Yahoo. I could also
open it up even more and allow anybody and their cousin to post messages to
the list, that might let in all kinds of garbage, but I could always change
it back if it doesn't work out.

What do you think?

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
A paranoid is a man who knows a little of what's going on.
<William Burroughs>


Dorena Sail

 

I'm going to try out my new old motorhome by parking it at Baker Bay park
on Dorena Lake. I'll be taking Pickle of course. I'm going up there
Thursday afternoon and will probably stay 'til Saturday (but maybe not). If
anyone wants to join me on the lake you know where to find me. This isn't
an "official" messabout.

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The denunciation of the young is a necessary part of the hygiene of older
people, and greatly assists the circulation of the blood.
<Logan Pearsall Smith>


Re: [MessaboutW] Dorena Sail

Sandy Thoms <thoms@...>
 

I can't make either this weekend or the June 16th weekend. On the 16th I'll
be having a well-deserved overnight date with my wife at Edgefield, the beer
campus of Portland, the kids will be at the grandparents. I sure seem to
come up with excuses to not make a messabout.

I thought for a very informal messabout, some of us might a gathering at Sam
Bond's Garage in Eugene after work some eve with photos, books, and whatever
of boats and talk boats. Granted, half of this "huge" list we have lives in
locations not close to Eugene, where you can get some of those groovy
sandals. Also, it doesn't have to be a beer establishment, it could be a
park intown, or a coffee house. I could dig some photos out of messing
about I did last summer in Northeast California in a pretty remote area.

I should mention the "huge" list just jumped from 7 to 8 yesterday when I
signed my home email address up. I figured that I should get side-tracked
at home not work because, as John put it, "I find this list very
salubrious", Thanks for throwing a few good words at me, I needed to look
that one up. Keep'm coming.

Recruits: has anyone tried Scott Malvitch, or howbout Rich Covelly, the guy
I got the free boat from, he was at Depoe Bay, Scott Marble, the guy with
the little dog from Frashier, I'll bet he hates it when people say that.
Actually that list of exhibitors probably has a few good candidates. I
havent' found any problems with signing up on the evil yahoo, actually, I
have never seen a commercial email from them yet, I did uncheck the "send me
junkmail" box. I don't know how those guys make money. There's got to be
an underground or in-the-closet community of small boat enthusiasts in the
Willamette Valley. It seems like everwhere I go, someone is talking boats.
Probably because I do all the talking. I have no problems with opening it
up to the cyberworld. I don't know how much marketing you did for Dexter,
but it seems a few well-placed posters for a boat event and address for the
messabout group would pull a few in.

Yaquina sounds great, but what happened to the Critzler (spelling?) idea? I
heard from several troller types that there are a lot of wooden trollers
there that I might be able to get for cheap. That's a pretty small area on
the river, with limited wind, but the backswamps up the drainage just to the
south might have some good exploring.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhkohnen@... [mailto:jhkohnen@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 8:45 PM
To: MessaboutW@...
Subject: [MessaboutW] Dorena Sail


I'm going to try out my new old motorhome by parking it at Baker Bay park
on Dorena Lake. I'll be taking Pickle of course. I'm going up there
Thursday afternoon and will probably stay 'til Saturday (but maybe not). If
anyone wants to join me on the lake you know where to find me. This isn't
an "official" messabout.

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The denunciation of the young is a necessary part of the hygiene of older
people, and greatly assists the circulation of the blood.
<Logan Pearsall Smith>



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Messabout on Yaquina

mjbrown@...
 

A messabout on Yaquina Bay in the middle of July sounds good to
Maggie and me. As you suggest John, we can
launch at South Beach and use the beach by the Hatfield center.
However, let's leave it open for awhile and we'll look for other
spots along the Yaquina. Get back to you all soon.

Jack

PS: Pat Patteson: will you bring your upsidedown camper boat?


Yaquina Bay

 

Bryn-

A get-together at Criteser Marina might still be in the works, if we can
find a place to launch near there. I've stopped there several times, but
I've never noticed if they have a ramp! Too busy looking at the old boats,
I guess. <g> We can plan a Yaquina Bay messabout with the knowledge that we
can launch at South Beach if nothing better comes up.

Meeting now and then at a beer parlor to jaw about boats is a good idea. Do
you think Sam Bond's is the best place for it? I haven't been frequenting
bars lately, and when I do stop in it's usually at dingy dives like John
Henry's or Max's, because that's where my friends hang out. I used to hang
out at the High Street Cafe, good beer and the yard out back is (or was
last time I was there) quite nice in good weather. I wonder if the service
is still so bad?

I've personally asked the Scotts to join the list, but they haven't. :o( I
also asked John McCallum, Steve Ramseur and Terry Lesh, who were at the
Dexter messabout, with the same result. Steve told me he is leery of Yahoo.
I don't want to spam folks who attended Depoe Bay with invitations. You
know Rich Covelly, why don't you ask him? I've thrown the list wide open,
we'll see what happens.

On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:50:12 -0700, you wrote:
...
I thought for a very informal messabout, some of us might a gathering at Sam
Bond's Garage in Eugene after work some eve with photos, books, and whatever
of boats and talk boats.
...
Recruits: has anyone tried Scott Malvitch, or howbout Rich Covelly, the guy
I got the free boat from, he was at Depoe Bay, Scott Marble, the guy with
the little dog from Frashier,
...
Yaquina sounds great, but what happened to the Critzler (spelling?) idea? I
heard from several troller types that there are a lot of wooden trollers
there that I might be able to get for cheap. That's a pretty small area on
the river, with limited wind, but the backswamps up the drainage just to the
south might have some good exploring.
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth.
<Alfred North Whitehead>


Wild and Wooly!

 

Nobody here said not to, so I've thrown the gates to the list wide open!
Anyone in the world can now read our messages, and anybody can post
messages to the list. Hang onto your hats! <g>

--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Correlation does not imply causation; except, of course, to your cat.
<Craig O'Donnell>


Re: Messabout on Yaquina

antec007
 

John
If I bring over anything other that the "Toad", I will have to put it
on a trailer, and my old 75 Cheve PU is not up to the task, or even
running last time I tried. I think it will start, but have not
even had it liscenced for about a year.
Would then have to bring over delivery truck to pull trailer, but
at 8 mpg could probably bring "Toad" and stay in a nice motel over
there for less than gas.
Have to see how "Healing" goes. Would like to bring over old
"Rapid Robert" with 1952 15 Johnson "Seaponies" motor.
Not real horses any more, but starts on third pull every year,
no mater how badly I treat it. Old gas. New gas.
Traded some furniture for it long ago and nice old 11' ply "Runabnout"
About $300 trade as I remember. Boat was OK, but was not very
well designed in front. A little too much V in front for a 11' boat,
so if overloaded or too much wieght in front (like 3 people) would
tend to try too cut a deeper V than bouancy would provide.
Interesting, and a fun boat with 2 people in it.

Took it in the Willamette upstream from Canby and much as my luck
is, again got "Busted" by the Yamhill County Police, who apparently
didn't find any other boat on the river, and our family of 3
running up "His" river in a funny looking 11' Red boat was enoungh
to make his day. Came up behind us in one of their $30,000
"Taxpayer Thunderboats" (They do get some nice one don't they) with
all lights on, almost swamping us with his wake.
Had to go through the whole routine. Only thing he could come up
with "No Horn". I don't think it was necessary on that boat at
that time, but you are really in no place to argue, when the next
step might just be to kill us all and let the "Law" and the
Police review board check it after the fact.
No such incident, and he just wrote me a "Warning". Guess he had
to justifiy "His fun day on the river" in his nice boat and bumm some
poor taxpayer out, and ruin an otherwise great day on the river.
I don't know if I can say "Pissed off" on this group, but I was.
(Not like your Coast Guard. This guy had no concern for "Safety",
or would have been a lot more careful when he approached us.)

Ran quite a while up river. (Always run upriver first) and ran
it out of gas. Had an extra 5 gallon jug of gas so was no
probem, except that after planing along at 20mph or so, for about
2 or 3 minutes, engine quit.
Went back and checked everything, all OK. Waited a little while
and started up and ran great again. But, after another couple of
minutes of cruising stopped again.
This time, went back again and checked, and everything looked OK.
Then I noticed the quart of 2 cycle oil sitting next to the
tank. Oops.
Poured it all in to make up for what I had forgotten to put in
earilier. I guess that worked, because it has stared third pull every
new season, and second pull every time during the season.
It's run OK ever since. About ten years later, that's what I use
on the back of my "Rapid Robert" when it's not a drift boat.
"Rapid Robert" has kind of a "Boarding Ramp" without motor.
Kind of cool. I'll show you If I bring it.
Again,not a "Show Boat". A well used boat. That's what they should be.

Boat's gone now. 1/4 ply kind of got scarry, and I didn't want
fo find myself sitting in a pile of floatsome, with my motor
on the bottom, so I put it to rest.

I'll try to post my "Delivry Truck/GP-16 picture on the files
section, so other people will know what we are talking about.

Mid July at Yaquina Bay sounds good to me.
Crabs there then? Yum!
I heard somebody caught a flouder in there. Truth or fiction?

Keep in touch.

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon

--- In MessaboutW@e..., mjbrown@c... wrote:
A messabout on Yaquina Bay in the middle of July sounds good to
Maggie and me. As you suggest John, we can
launch at South Beach and use the beach by the Hatfield center.
However, let's leave it open for awhile and we'll look for other
spots along the Yaquina. Get back to you all soon.

Jack

PS: Pat Patteson: will you bring your upsidedown camper boat?


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Messabout on Yaquina

 

Pat-

Good story! I know there are plenty of good cops out there somewhere, but
too often the ones I encounter seem to have joined the force because they
like wearing uniforms and pushing people around. :o( Ooops! That's probably
too close to politics!

Is your Rapid Robert a real Tom Kaarhus boat? An old girlfriend used to be
roomates with Tom's grandaughter, but Tom had already passed on by then.
His son (her father, now gone himself) had some good stories to tell about
the boatshop though. While poking through the boatbuilding section at the
Eugene library a while ago I stumbled upon a thin volume containing plans
for a Rapid Robert! I'm not sure I've ever seen one in person, unless it
was back when I was a sprout and not yet boat aware. I've got a bookcase my
dad had Tom make years ago. had no idea that that guy who came to measure
the space for the bookcase was anybody special...

I wouldn't be surprised if somebody's caught a flounder in Yaquina Bay.
Many, many years ago I caught a flounder while trolling for bluebacks way
up behind Duncan Island on the Siuslaw! It was delicious. <g>

On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 16:13:18 -0000, Pat wrote:
...
Have to see how "Healing" goes. Would like to bring over old
"Rapid Robert"
...

Mid July at Yaquina Bay sounds good to me.
Crabs there then? Yum!
I heard somebody caught a flouder in there. Truth or fiction?
--
John <@Jkohnen>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two conditions:
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>