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Re: Richardson Marina Survey and Lunch, This Thursday

Bob Larkin
 

I will bring 100+ feet of poly rope with marks, a kayak and gear, a pole that doesn't float with a tether and markings of depth in feet and tenths.

John, I assume you can get inside the gates (I can come by kayak!).

If we use lines drawn to the center of slips as references, we will be able to get the kayak inside the slips and measure there, to correlate with the existing data.  The docks differ in length, so we will need to improvise at the NE ends, as well as outside of the A-dock and E-docks.  The alignment of the finger docks are pretty good, so sighting along the edge of those might be all that is needed.  We will learn as we go!!


Re: Thursday lunches, -- another look at this

 

Some Coots might not be ready yet to eat at a restaurant, even outside, but they may be willing to eat inside with just a group of Coots they know are vaccinated. We'll see... We should have some venues closer to the Coots who live in the Mid-Valley, and TJ's is even farther away from there than Fern Ridge.

Please do some scooter research, Cal, but in the direction of Albany and Corn Valley. Someday eating _in_ restaurants will be popular with Coots again...

On 9/13/2021 6:35 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Just crossed my mind that there are places that could be good for meetings.  If it's warmer, then any patio would work, like TJ's here in Creswell on the I-5 offramp.
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Re: Just back in -- New Plan

 

I rounded the weight of my Honda up. <g> It's supposed to weigh 28 lb. like yours. Mine is air cooled, but has a water cooled exhaust. It's noisy when you're going fast, but has a comforting beat when going slow, which you can do because it doesn't have one of those centrifugal clutches. :o) A Good Motor, but after 20-some-odd years I really should overhaul the carburettor...

On 9/13/2021 7:04 AM, Mark N wrote:
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Hmmm, my Honda 2 hp is air-cooled, no water pump.  Weighs 28 pounds and pushes Moonlit Turtle at hull speed.  Loud little sucker, comparatively.
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Re: Just back in -- New Plan

Electri-Cal
 

Hi, Mark  John was replying to my thoughts as to a gas backup preferably with small remote tank.  I plan to remove maybe 160 lbs of batts. just don't need all 3 packs.  A gassie might just be the ticket, as to which size for my heavier boat (batteries @ 320 lb, )  then say 250 to 500 max coot weight in reality.  So my load with me only is 520, plus twin mk 80 as drag underwater, plus 4 batts, and hull, to get  1500lb. est. boat weight .  That's taking a bunch of push for pushing at 17 footer hull speed and add tide or river resistance.  Right now on batts, cruise is about hull speed or less, so I try for 4 mph and around 15 amps for range, solo weight.

I think it will take at least 3 hp, plus I want a remote tank with gas weight to balance it all out again.  The 4 strokes being heavier, especially Hondas.  The best would be an old 3 hp Evinrude Light twin, but those are very old motors now.  If I had an unlimited choice, I'd find a good 4 hp 4 stroke, they have remote tanks.  Next down maybe there is a newer  water cooled 3-4 hp with remote tank, maybe quieter ?,

Some newer 2 strokes could be doable.  I have some time to look, and my really top notch mechanic is retiring, so I will visit him today, and have him start a search for what might work.  He helped me locate the motor problem last week.  I might pick up or have him start looking for one of his good trolling motor trade ins, a good place to check it all out first.  Sorta pisses me that I sold my last EVVY 3 hp, had a hard to find 4 hp power prop, in great shape.  Didn't think I'd ever need a gassie again.  It even had an aftermarket added plug for a remote 3 gallon tank, perfect -- leaked gas when tipped or laid down, but I now have a well open.

Gotta Run, have a great day,   Cal





Re: Just back in -- New Plan

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi John,

On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 7:27 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

motors are a lot bigger and heavier. I've got a 2 hp. Honda you can try
out, but it hasn't run in quite a while. I'll fire it up in a bucket and
see if it still runs, without major surgery. <g> It only weighs about 30 lb.

Hmmm, my Honda 2 hp is air-cooled, no water pump.  Weighs 28 pounds and pushes Moonlit Turtle at hull speed.  Loud little sucker, comparatively.

Mark


Re: Just back in -- New Plan

Electri-Cal
 

Sounds about right, John.  I don't want too much, but enough to cruise about the same speed.  With the 3rd pack removed, I'd have an easy 160 lb lighter, and a gassie would be maybe half that, easy to balance out.  I figured I could carry up to 100 b, , less would be better, even more so if there was a remote tank forward.  When I get the twins done, and back to Dexter would work well.  I think a 3 hp Evinrude light twin like I used to have would be sweet, but they are all 2 strokers, that I know of.  They worked so well though !!!

I need to call the repair parts folks today, my motors dis assemble differently than the ones on a stick, makes the points plates on the back side look a bit snug fitting with the magnets pulling (snapping !! ) the armature back through and short leads.  I pulled my neck a bit doing all the removals on my back upside down under Surprise.  Not going to remove all those epoxied in holding bolts without damage.  Solution is to use a neck brace maybe a pillow too,  to avoid twisting the wrong way -- again. 

I can check a couple coot eateries today as well, got town stuff to do.   Later, and thanks,   Cal 


Thursday lunches, -- another look at this

Electri-Cal
 

Just crossed my mind that there are places that could be good for meetings.  If it's warmer, then any patio would work, like TJ's here in Creswell on the I-5 offramp.  Good food, big patio, indoors or outdoor areas,  decent prices, and fresh air.  That's the biggest one, but maybe I know of a couple others, 3 or 4 places, close to major roads, in Eugene.  There are two at the big "Y" or close, if the coots wanted I could do a scoot review and drive to several to ask if they would like the business.  We might get a reserved area like before, but I could do that today or tomorrow, if wanted.

Another easy choice would be the Pizza place ( Rapids ?? ) in Glenwood, on the river and a huge indoor space with big windows, maybe for rainy days if that ever happens.  There are probably more that would work for coots, preferably outside with cover and some space.  I can look there this am and see if they would like to have us, and it is right on the river near the putting green venue.  in fact they have a separate conference room I have been in  Good big salad bar and pizza place. 

Also "Wetlands" comes to mind, as I recall a big open place with super burgers, but there are two fairly close in the area.  Maybe John and I could review a couple for our size group ??

Maybe options, shall I do research on this ??    ---  Cal 


Exciting Sailboat Racing

 

These 'Strine racers make most of the modern boats look kinda wimpy. <g> Running out of time to watch this, I think; as part of the PT Non-Festival it may disappear at midnight:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/4ubdy7dh

or

https://vimeo.com/user121278477/review/449795307/221e04f821?sort=lastUserActionEventDate&direction=desc
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Re: Just back in -- New Plan

 

I think a 2-2.5 hp. motor would be plenty for Surprise. The 4-6 hp. motors are a lot bigger and heavier. I've got a 2 hp. Honda you can try out, but it hasn't run in quite a while. I'll fire it up in a bucket and see if it still runs, without major surgery. <g> It only weighs about 30 lb.

On 9/12/2021 5:46 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Just as soon as I get Surprises motors back together, and coming soon I hope !!  I will buy a good but probably used about min. of 3 to 5, or even 6 hp short shaft outboard for the well in Surprises stern.
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Richardson Marina Survey and Lunch, This Thursday

 

If we use a kayak, as bob suggests, we wouldn't need to have a guard Coot to scare the hungry carp away. Thankfully, the Fern Ridge carp aren't the kind that'll jump into your boat trying to get you. <g>

Let's give Bob's idea a try. We should start a bit earlier than the usual Thursday lunch at 1:00. Say 11:00? I'll be there, and we need at least one other Coot to do the job.

It is about a hunnert feet between the main docks. The finger docks aren't aligned with their counterparts on the dock next door, and we'll have to make our own reference points on the inner part of E Dock, where there's only alongside mooring. At least there won't be any boats in the way. <g>

Here's a calibrated satellite image with info to import it into nav programs that can use raster charts. Maybe Mark can get started drawing a map to plot our soundings in. <g>

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/ValleyLakes/

On 9/12/2021 11:27 AM, Bob L wrote:
Good project, John.  After we talked about this, I walked along the marina thinking about what the issues might be.  One thought was that sharp objects might be down there.  Another is that, in places the blue-green algae stuff is showing up, and that should be avoided.
As an alternative, how about if a line was tied to each end of a kayak, about 100 ft long.  The line would have tape marks every 10 ft.   Two people would move the kayak back and forth between docks at the center of each slip.  The line handlers would not go out on fingers.  The kayak guy would have a calibrated pole, of course.  This might be pretty fast and minimum time would be spent learning where the measurement person was at.  The slip numbers obviously set a coordinate system.  I have 100 feet of floating polypropylene line.  Most people must have some of that yellow stuff.  BiMart for sure.  I could bring a kayak on Thursday.    Bob
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Just back in -- New Plan

Electri-Cal
 

Just as soon as I get Surprises motors back together, and coming soon I hope !!  I will buy a good but probably used about min. of 3 to 5, or even 6 hp short shaft outboard for the well in Surprises stern.  I have seen a couple I like, by Yamaha or similar.  I figure that I doesn't have to turn, just sit in the well and run.  With a remote throttle and stop button, I would hope to control the speed for cruising, and stop it for using the electrics.  Like Dennis tug, a better way to cover longer distances faster than electrics might.  Good for extra push in currents.  Can't have the aft cover in the way, needs access to start the motor, but might figure that out by folding the cover out of the way.  All parts in for E-motors, get going on that first.

Wish I had something to try first, might be too much weight aft, maybe with less battery I would work ??  After the new parts get in, I can research this before a purchase.  If any coots have ideas, that would be good.  If I can get my hands on a ( rental,trial, for sale or ?? ) motor that would be good also.  I don't want to create a "sea cow"  but an extra different 4 stroke outboard power source that balances out would be a plus.

Good to be back in town, see ya ....  Cal


Re: Richardson marina Survey?

 

On 9/12/2021 11:27 AM, Bob L wrote:
Good project, John.  After we talked about this, I walked along the marina thinking about what the issues might be.  One thought was that sharp objects might be down there.  Another is that, in places the blue-green algae stuff is showing up, and that should be avoided.
As an alternative, how about if a line was tied to each end of a kayak, about 100 ft long.  The line would have tape marks every 10 ft.   Two people would move the kayak back and forth between docks at the center of each slip.  The line handlers would not go out on fingers.  The kayak guy would have a calibrated pole, of course.  This might be pretty fast and minimum time would be spent learning where the measurement person was at.  The slip numbers obviously set a coordinate system.  I have 100 feet of floating polypropylene line.  Most people must have some of that yellow stuff.  BiMart for sure.  I could bring a kayak on Thursday.    Bob
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Re: Richardson marina Survey?

Bob Larkin
 

Good project, John.  After we talked about this, I walked along the marina thinking about what the issues might be.  One thought was that sharp objects might be down there.  Another is that, in places the blue-green algae stuff is showing up, and that should be avoided.

As an alternative, how about if a line was tied to each end of a kayak, about 100 ft long.  The line would have tape marks every 10 ft.   Two people would move the kayak back and forth between docks at the center of each slip.  The line handlers would not go out on fingers.  The kayak guy would have a calibrated pole, of course.  This might be pretty fast and minimum time would be spent learning where the measurement person was at.  The slip numbers obviously set a coordinate system.  I have 100 feet of floating polypropylene line.  Most people must have some of that yellow stuff.  BiMart for sure.  I could bring a kayak on Thursday.    Bob


PATROL TORPEDO BOAT

Brian Gage <jamesgage637@...>
 

John,
I agree, not worth $200...However if it were original equipment from a HIGGINS PT BOAT
it could be worth maybe $2000.
I agree with your idea of hi power binnoculars, or maybe a scoped rifle stand. 
It really pays to do research. 

B.G.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 4:03 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
The brass stand looks like it's made to hold something easily removable.
It's definitely not a binnacle to hold a compass, but it may have been
bolted down to a bridge wing of a ship to hold a pelorus for taking
relative bearings. Or maybe those really high-powered binoculars you see
in some WW II movies. Anything that they might want to bring inside when
not in use...

You're a sucker for interesting old stuff, Brian, but $200 makes that
stand a lot less tempting. ;o)


On 9/10/2021 9:03 PM, Brian G wrote:
> John, That chunk of brass was claimed to be a compass stand on a P T
> Boat. Humm $200 bucks. So I emailed the "BRASS" that has restored the -
> P T 658 - here in Portland .
> After forwarding imiges and waiting it was determined that it is not
> original equipment for a Torpedo Boat! So that's why I'm not buying.

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Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival

 

There's no Festival this year, but here are some interesting videos they put together for last year's non-existent Festival. Some of the features required tickets to see last year, but we can all see them this time around for free:

https://woodenboat.org/vwbf2020/

Some boat nuts, including Earl, went to Port Townsend anyway. There may have been sort of an informal mini-festival of sorts in the Point Hudson marina. I look forward to hearing Earls tales of adventure when he gets back.

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Re: Walk in the park.

 

Ah, one of those Honda "80" motors. A friend of mine found one in a shed on his property and offered to sell it to me cheap. He said it was 80 hp., and I said I didn't want anything to do with a monster like that! <g> It wasn't until much later that I realized that it was probably an 8 hp. motor, when he mentioned being able to pick it up by himself... The fisherman's decal is less confusing than the original Honda one. <g>

That's not a regular V-belt driving the camshaft, it's a narrow toothed belt, like a timing belt on many modern car engines, or a Hardly final drive belt. I don't know anything about when, or which model, Honda outboards used timing belts. Some Tohatsu/Nissan/Mercury motors use them. Bartender George has one in his 19-footer. There's nothing wrong with timing belts, except that they wear out and have to be replaced at regular intervals, and they can deteriorate even when the motor isn't being used. But they are a lot easier to replace than timing chains or gears. <g>

On 9/11/2021 1:05 PM, Brian G wrote:
Had coffee at boat launch (above Willamette Falls at mouth of Tualitan R.) earlier and found this man getting ready to go catfishing and noticed the HP decal on cover. Also I've never seen a 4 stroke Honda with V belt driven valve train!
Fisherman said he purchased it used for $400, 5 years ago.
The belt whirrling with cover off could easily take a finger off. No shroud, but it looks original condition. Smooth running outboard.

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Re: Attempting to read the tea leves...Columbia trip

 

The brass stand looks like it's made to hold something easily removable. It's definitely not a binnacle to hold a compass, but it may have been bolted down to a bridge wing of a ship to hold a pelorus for taking relative bearings. Or maybe those really high-powered binoculars you see in some WW II movies. Anything that they might want to bring inside when not in use...

You're a sucker for interesting old stuff, Brian, but $200 makes that stand a lot less tempting. ;o)

On 9/10/2021 9:03 PM, Brian G wrote:
John, That chunk of brass was claimed to be a compass stand on a P T Boat. Humm $200 bucks. So I emailed the "BRASS" that has restored the - P T 658 - here in Portland .
After forwarding imiges and waiting it was determined that it is not original equipment for a Torpedo Boat! So that's why I'm not buying.
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Richardson marina Survey?

 

Fern Ridge keeps drying up in front of our eyes. If we're gonna do a survey of the depths in the channels between the slips we'd better start soon, or we're gonna have to figure out how to measure negative depths. <g> Or wait until spring, but the water is warmer now. I figure we need at least three Coots to do the job efficiently -- one on each opposing finger dock handling a line across the channel with marks every 5' or so, and one Coot wading around with a graduated stick taking soundings. A fourth, armed, Coot to keep the hungry carp away from the wader would be useful. <g>

https://preview.tinyurl.com/FRidgeSlips

http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/nwp/teacup/willamette/frn.pdf

Next Thursday, for a start? We don't need to do it all in one day, since we can coordinate our measurements with the Corps' frequent updates:

https://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/dd/common/web_service/webexec/html?id=FRN.Elev-Forebay.Inst.0.0.Best%3Aunits%3DFT&lookback=48h&lookforward=1h0m

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Walk in the park.

Brian Gage <jamesgage637@...>
 

Had coffee at boat launch (above Willamette Falls at mouth of Tualitan R.) earlier and found this man getting ready to go catfishing and noticed the HP decal on cover. Also I've never seen a 4 stroke Honda with V belt driven valve train! 
Fisherman said he purchased it used for $400, 5 years ago.
The belt whirrling with cover off could easily take a finger off. No shroud, but it looks original condition. Smooth running outboard. 

B.G.


Re: Attempting to read the tea leves...Columbia trip

Brian Gage <jamesgage637@...>
 

John, That chunk of brass was claimed to be a compass stand on a P T Boat. Humm $200 bucks. So I emailed the "BRASS" that has restored the - P T 658 - here in Portland .
After forwarding imiges and waiting it was determined that it is not original equipment for a Torpedo Boat! So that's why I'm not buying.
B.G.

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