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Re: September Messabout?

elaineginader
 

Is one of the stops Sand Island park?


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021, 3:13 PM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
Hi John,

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 2:06 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

A leisurely trip, for sure, and no attempt to reach a distant destination.

A loop? Or one-way, with trailers shuttled?

I just wrote to Allen this morning asking about using Cathlamet as the weekend site.  That way, anyone who couldn't or didn't want to make the trip from Portland could still get together.  I could see two or three days each way. That's why I was researching Wallace Island Slough.  Or Crims Island Slough. Or?

Any interest in that scenario?

Mark


Re: September Messabout?

Dan
 

A week on the water, and a return to putin and trailers, I would say…er, WE would say.  Dan & Jamie the Seadog.


Re: mystery boat?

Myles Twete
 

Wallace Island being right above the top of Puget Island and right at Cape Horn, it would be very windy and with large waves in the late afternoon on the North side of the island.  Probably less dramatic arrival to overnight on or anchor near one of the islands upstream of there.  Having said that, I’ve only motored down that way now twice in 25 years…

 

From: oregoncoots@groups.io [mailto:oregoncoots@groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Neuhaus
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2021 12:28 PM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] mystery boat?

 

Good to know it's out there, as I was thinking of the backside of Wallace Island as an anchorage and I'd hate to meet that on the way to Cathlamet!

 

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:21 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

 

Tug ran into that invisible wall!


Using OpenCPN

 

Trying to delete just the Big attachment, I managed to delete John's whole message! <sigh> Here it it is, for posterity, minus the file, which is now here:

http://www.coots.org/Tides/

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Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Using OpenCPN
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:09:07 -0700
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Of course if you can find another Harmonic file.....

https://flaterco.com/xtide/files.html#harmonicsfiles <https://flaterco.com/xtide/files.html#harmonicsfiles>

The file is in a compressed folder so you will have to extract the file itself.  I've attached the file, hopefully it will get through(big file).

Also on the page is a list of all the stations.  Lots of them!

Once you have the file it is just a matter of adding the file (dataset) in the Tides & Currents settings.  If you leave the original file you will have a lot of duplicates, so you will probably want to remove it.  Removing it does not delete the file, just quits using it.  With Android you may want to copy the location of the original file;  my file manager would not see the file location.

Attached is a screenshot of tides for Portland area.  Several more than what came with OpenCPN.  :-)

John A.

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Re: Using OpenCPN

 

Thanks, John! I had trouble unpacking the .tar file from the XTide Web site, but the .tcd file you attached works fine. I just removed the harmonic file that came with OpenCPN from the choices in the config menu and added the one from XTide. :o)

We don't have much storage space for files, photos and attachments from groups.io, so I'm gonna delete the Big file you attached. I've put it, with a more descriptive name, here:

http://www.coots.org/Tides/

I didn't have any trouble finding the harmonic file directory on my ancient (2016) Samsung tablet. In the internal storage:

Android/data/org.opencpn.opencpn/files/tcdata

OpenCPN opened to the directory when I went to change the harmonic file it was using, but I may have accesssed that directory sometime since I installed OpenCPN...

On 8/29/2021 9:09 AM, John a wrote:
Of course if you can find another Harmonic file.....
https://flaterco.com/xtide/files.html#harmonicsfiles The file is in a compressed folder so you will have to extract the file itself.  I've attached the file, hopefully it will get through(big file).
Also on the page is a list of all the stations.  Lots of them!
Once you have the file it is just a matter of adding the file (dataset) in the Tides & Currents settings.  If you leave the original file you will have a lot of duplicates, so you will probably want to remove it. Removing it does not delete the file, just quits using it.  With Android you may want to copy the location of the original file;  my file manager would not see the file location.
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Re: September Messabout?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi John,

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 2:06 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

A leisurely trip, for sure, and no attempt to reach a distant destination.

A loop? Or one-way, with trailers shuttled?

I just wrote to Allen this morning asking about using Cathlamet as the weekend site.  That way, anyone who couldn't or didn't want to make the trip from Portland could still get together.  I could see two or three days each way. That's why I was researching Wallace Island Slough.  Or Crims Island Slough. Or?

Any interest in that scenario?

Mark


Re: September Messabout?

 

A leisurely trip, for sure, and no attempt to reach a distant destination.

A loop? Or one-way, with trailers shuttled?

On 8/28/2021 4:20 PM, Mark N wrote:
“Downstream from Portland, in September” has a nice ring to it,
doncha’thimk?
Sounds good to me, at this point.
I could envision a round trip at a leisurely pace and folks could join in or out for whatever time they have available.
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Re: mystery boat?

Case Turner
 

Back in college a buddy and I were visiting Vancouver. We went to Husong and Larry’s for cocktails and a late lunch. There was a strong East breeze and the Corp had released a bunch of water out of Bonneville. There was a push tug with three barges that pretty much was stalled there pushing current for the three hours we were there. Was going to be a long push up to Lewiston at that rate! 

Case

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On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:


Good to know it's out there, as I was thinking of the backside of Wallace Island as an anchorage and I'd hate to meet that on the way to Cathlamet!

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:21 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

Tug ran into that invisible wall!


Re: mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Good to know it's out there, as I was thinking of the backside of Wallace Island as an anchorage and I'd hate to meet that on the way to Cathlamet!


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:21 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

Tug ran into that invisible wall!


Re: mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Yep, and the two side streams of water from the barge.  It made me wonder why they cut the barge image when splicing the aerial photos.


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:15 PM johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:
Tug pushing a barge.  Sat image did not capture the barge.  You can
see just a corner.


Re: mystery boat?

Case Turner
 

Tug ran into that invisible wall!

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On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:15 PM, johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:

Tug pushing a barge. Sat image did not capture the barge. You can
see just a corner.

John A.

On 8/29/21, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around
Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.1462604,-123.3004859,153m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....






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Re: mystery boat?

johnacord
 

Tug pushing a barge. Sat image did not capture the barge. You can
see just a corner.

John A.

On 8/29/21, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around
Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.1462604,-123.3004859,153m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....





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mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle. 


That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....


Ordering Parts and a Solution Coming !

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks for the common sense John.  Since I have the upgraded cores now, and really don't need the other stuff, I can get off a lot cheaper and still have the right core, brushes, etc.  When I get the much less expensive seals, seal parts for the refitting I can proceed.  New ply/poxy reconfigured motor guards I upgraded are under way, looks like better turning and less drag,  You didn't see the big holes I punched in the first guards, which made burbuling aft, but did help turning radius.  Parts should be here around the time i'm ready to button it back up, for another six years.  

Rock and Roll, with some rag time !!  ---  Cal    


Re: Coots and the Toledo Boat Show

 

The booth would just be for information about the Coots and the TSCA, and outreach to the public. I've helped man a booth for the Puget Sound TSCA, Coots, and I think, the PT Pocket Yachters at the Port Townsend Festival. It was fun, in small doses. <g> We'd have to arrange shifts.

If somebody wants to be in charge of a for sale table, or booth, I'm sure it would be welcome.

On 8/28/2021 6:17 PM, Brian G wrote:
What would we do in the booth?
Can we sell nautical items or small boat equipment?
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Re: TSCA and Toledo show

 

I'm gonna have to slap you with a fish, Dan! I've got an only slightly used one left over from last night, when I had to slap myself.

We try to avoid contentious "political" subjects here on the Interweb group. I know, it's crazy how much stuff is "political" these days <sigh>. It's difficult to discuss such subjects civilly online, so please don't. As Graybeal mentioned, it's a lot easier to talk about contentious subjects in person, around the (nonexistent in these dry years) campfire.

Thanks for your support for the Coots chapter of the TSCA becoming a sponsor of the Toledo Boat Show.

On 8/28/2021 7:52 PM, dan m wrote:
John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.
About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:
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Re: Using OpenCPN

johnacord
 

From John's link about tides;

It is possible to add/modify Harmonics data. First get the latest version, might be V10, and then add a line for the new location into the section of that country into the file HARMONIC.IDX

Reading the HARMONIC.IDX,  it is a text file of locations.  One should be able to add entries.  I will give it a try and see if it works or if it breaks it :-) 

John A.


Re: TSCA and Toledo show

David Graybeal
 

I would also welcome the chance to be part of a closer connection between event and community and sponsorship.

 

And while I also see the relevance of the health of the planet to ourtdoorsmen and women... it's also true I'd rather err on the side on 'no politics' in our group. Around the campfire... that's another question <G>


Re: TSCA and Toledo show

Case Turner
 

Seems like this thread is going sideways. No Politics! 

Dirt

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On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:52 PM, dan mulholland <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:


John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.

About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:

Georgia-Pacific LLC is an American pulp and paper company based in Atlanta, Georgia, and is one of the world's largest manufacturers and distributors of tissue, pulp, paper, toilet and paper towel dispensers, packaging, building products and related chemicals.As of Fall 2019, the company employed more than 35,000 people at more than 180 locations in North America, South America and Europe.
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The Koch brothers work against limitations on greenhouse gas pollution.  

The Toledo mill is the 6th largest industrial emitter of CO2 in Oregon.  It emits, (2015 Oregon DEQ) 554,000 metric tons of CO2 that are classified as "biogenic", or from the decomposition of natural materials, and 335,000 metric tons of "anthropomorphic" emissions, or from burning fossil fuels.  I'm guessing it's mostly methane (natural gas), since there is a major line going through Toledo. 

Compared to something more relatable, burning a gallon of gasoline creates just under 20 pounds of CO2 emissions when burned.   That's about 9 kilograms.  The anthropomorphic emissions are 335,000,000 kilograms per year,  as a metric ton equals 1000 kilograms.  Dividing the emissions in kilograms by the CO2 emissions caused by burning a gallon of gasoline results in a "big number', the equivalent of about 37 million gallons of gasoline. 

Industrial emissions are a relatively small part of Oregon's emissions; transportation fuels are the largest category.  

More than steam is coming out of the stacks.  

Dan





TSCA and Toledo show

dan mulholland
 

John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.

About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:

Georgia-Pacific LLC is an American pulp and paper company based in Atlanta, Georgia, and is one of the world's largest manufacturers and distributors of tissue, pulp, paper, toilet and paper towel dispensers, packaging, building products and related chemicals.As of Fall 2019, the company employed more than 35,000 people at more than 180 locations in North America, South America and Europe.
en.wikipedia.org
The Koch brothers work against limitations on greenhouse gas pollution.  

The Toledo mill is the 6th largest industrial emitter of CO2 in Oregon.  It emits, (2015 Oregon DEQ) 554,000 metric tons of CO2 that are classified as "biogenic", or from the decomposition of natural materials, and 335,000 metric tons of "anthropomorphic" emissions, or from burning fossil fuels.  I'm guessing it's mostly methane (natural gas), since there is a major line going through Toledo. 

Compared to something more relatable, burning a gallon of gasoline creates just under 20 pounds of CO2 emissions when burned.   That's about 9 kilograms.  The anthropomorphic emissions are 335,000,000 kilograms per year,  as a metric ton equals 1000 kilograms.  Dividing the emissions in kilograms by the CO2 emissions caused by burning a gallon of gasoline results in a "big number', the equivalent of about 37 million gallons of gasoline. 

Industrial emissions are a relatively small part of Oregon's emissions; transportation fuels are the largest category.  

More than steam is coming out of the stacks.  

Dan




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