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Re: mystery boat?

Case Turner
 

Back in college a buddy and I were visiting Vancouver. We went to Husong and Larry’s for cocktails and a late lunch. There was a strong East breeze and the Corp had released a bunch of water out of Bonneville. There was a push tug with three barges that pretty much was stalled there pushing current for the three hours we were there. Was going to be a long push up to Lewiston at that rate! 

Case

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On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:


Good to know it's out there, as I was thinking of the backside of Wallace Island as an anchorage and I'd hate to meet that on the way to Cathlamet!

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:21 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

Tug ran into that invisible wall!


Re: mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Good to know it's out there, as I was thinking of the backside of Wallace Island as an anchorage and I'd hate to meet that on the way to Cathlamet!


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:21 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

Tug ran into that invisible wall!


Re: mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Yep, and the two side streams of water from the barge.  It made me wonder why they cut the barge image when splicing the aerial photos.


On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 12:15 PM johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:
Tug pushing a barge.  Sat image did not capture the barge.  You can
see just a corner.


Re: mystery boat?

Case Turner
 

Tug ran into that invisible wall!

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On Aug 29, 2021, at 12:15 PM, johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:

Tug pushing a barge. Sat image did not capture the barge. You can
see just a corner.

John A.

On 8/29/21, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around
Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.1462604,-123.3004859,153m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....






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Re: mystery boat?

johnacord
 

Tug pushing a barge. Sat image did not capture the barge. You can
see just a corner.

John A.

On 8/29/21, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:
While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around
Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle.

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.1462604,-123.3004859,153m/data=!3m1!1e3

That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....





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mystery boat?

Mark Neuhaus
 

While browsing google maps satellite views for possible anchorages around Cathlamet, I came across an interesting vehicle. 


That's what you get when splicing images from different flights....


Ordering Parts and a Solution Coming !

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks for the common sense John.  Since I have the upgraded cores now, and really don't need the other stuff, I can get off a lot cheaper and still have the right core, brushes, etc.  When I get the much less expensive seals, seal parts for the refitting I can proceed.  New ply/poxy reconfigured motor guards I upgraded are under way, looks like better turning and less drag,  You didn't see the big holes I punched in the first guards, which made burbuling aft, but did help turning radius.  Parts should be here around the time i'm ready to button it back up, for another six years.  

Rock and Roll, with some rag time !!  ---  Cal    


Re: Coots and the Toledo Boat Show

 

The booth would just be for information about the Coots and the TSCA, and outreach to the public. I've helped man a booth for the Puget Sound TSCA, Coots, and I think, the PT Pocket Yachters at the Port Townsend Festival. It was fun, in small doses. <g> We'd have to arrange shifts.

If somebody wants to be in charge of a for sale table, or booth, I'm sure it would be welcome.

On 8/28/2021 6:17 PM, Brian G wrote:
What would we do in the booth?
Can we sell nautical items or small boat equipment?
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Re: TSCA and Toledo show

 

I'm gonna have to slap you with a fish, Dan! I've got an only slightly used one left over from last night, when I had to slap myself.

We try to avoid contentious "political" subjects here on the Interweb group. I know, it's crazy how much stuff is "political" these days <sigh>. It's difficult to discuss such subjects civilly online, so please don't. As Graybeal mentioned, it's a lot easier to talk about contentious subjects in person, around the (nonexistent in these dry years) campfire.

Thanks for your support for the Coots chapter of the TSCA becoming a sponsor of the Toledo Boat Show.

On 8/28/2021 7:52 PM, dan m wrote:
John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.
About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:
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Re: Using OpenCPN

johnacord
 

From John's link about tides;

It is possible to add/modify Harmonics data. First get the latest version, might be V10, and then add a line for the new location into the section of that country into the file HARMONIC.IDX

Reading the HARMONIC.IDX,  it is a text file of locations.  One should be able to add entries.  I will give it a try and see if it works or if it breaks it :-) 

John A.


Re: TSCA and Toledo show

David Graybeal
 

I would also welcome the chance to be part of a closer connection between event and community and sponsorship.

 

And while I also see the relevance of the health of the planet to ourtdoorsmen and women... it's also true I'd rather err on the side on 'no politics' in our group. Around the campfire... that's another question <G>


Re: TSCA and Toledo show

Case Turner
 

Seems like this thread is going sideways. No Politics! 

Dirt

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On Aug 28, 2021, at 7:52 PM, dan mulholland <mulhollanddr@...> wrote:


John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.

About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:

Georgia-Pacific LLC is an American pulp and paper company based in Atlanta, Georgia, and is one of the world's largest manufacturers and distributors of tissue, pulp, paper, toilet and paper towel dispensers, packaging, building products and related chemicals.As of Fall 2019, the company employed more than 35,000 people at more than 180 locations in North America, South America and Europe.
en.wikipedia.org
The Koch brothers work against limitations on greenhouse gas pollution.  

The Toledo mill is the 6th largest industrial emitter of CO2 in Oregon.  It emits, (2015 Oregon DEQ) 554,000 metric tons of CO2 that are classified as "biogenic", or from the decomposition of natural materials, and 335,000 metric tons of "anthropomorphic" emissions, or from burning fossil fuels.  I'm guessing it's mostly methane (natural gas), since there is a major line going through Toledo. 

Compared to something more relatable, burning a gallon of gasoline creates just under 20 pounds of CO2 emissions when burned.   That's about 9 kilograms.  The anthropomorphic emissions are 335,000,000 kilograms per year,  as a metric ton equals 1000 kilograms.  Dividing the emissions in kilograms by the CO2 emissions caused by burning a gallon of gasoline results in a "big number', the equivalent of about 37 million gallons of gasoline. 

Industrial emissions are a relatively small part of Oregon's emissions; transportation fuels are the largest category.  

More than steam is coming out of the stacks.  

Dan





TSCA and Toledo show

dan mulholland
 

John, I think TSCA joining to sponsor would be a good thing.

About the pulp mill- it is owned by the Koch brothers:

Georgia-Pacific LLC is an American pulp and paper company based in Atlanta, Georgia, and is one of the world's largest manufacturers and distributors of tissue, pulp, paper, toilet and paper towel dispensers, packaging, building products and related chemicals.As of Fall 2019, the company employed more than 35,000 people at more than 180 locations in North America, South America and Europe.
en.wikipedia.org
The Koch brothers work against limitations on greenhouse gas pollution.  

The Toledo mill is the 6th largest industrial emitter of CO2 in Oregon.  It emits, (2015 Oregon DEQ) 554,000 metric tons of CO2 that are classified as "biogenic", or from the decomposition of natural materials, and 335,000 metric tons of "anthropomorphic" emissions, or from burning fossil fuels.  I'm guessing it's mostly methane (natural gas), since there is a major line going through Toledo. 

Compared to something more relatable, burning a gallon of gasoline creates just under 20 pounds of CO2 emissions when burned.   That's about 9 kilograms.  The anthropomorphic emissions are 335,000,000 kilograms per year,  as a metric ton equals 1000 kilograms.  Dividing the emissions in kilograms by the CO2 emissions caused by burning a gallon of gasoline results in a "big number', the equivalent of about 37 million gallons of gasoline. 

Industrial emissions are a relatively small part of Oregon's emissions; transportation fuels are the largest category.  

More than steam is coming out of the stacks.  

Dan





Re: Coots and the Toledo Boat Show

James Gage <jamesgage637@...>
 

What would we do in the booth?
Can we sell nautical items or small boat equipment?


Re: o-charts for OpenCPN

Mark Neuhaus
 


On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 9:33 AM johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:

Good points John.   What was the predicted tide level at that time?

Tide table for Vancouver said 0.2 ft tide an hour earlier than I was there..  
 
  What was the river flow rate?

You got me.  I have the vancouver height gage bookmarked, but didn't think to check it that day.
 
I trust my depth sounder more than anything else

I agree!  Trouble is, I adjusted it this spring to try to get rid of the rooster tail it made, and didn't get it right, as it jets worse now.  And I can't remember if I set it to read at the keel or the bottom of the outboard.   So my two foot reading may not have been as bad as thought, especially at slow speed and incoming tide.  Couldn't see the bottom, but that doesn't mean much on a cloudy day.

Going back to charts.  Whether Mark was using his Navionics or Goverment charts

I run with at least three gps units active.  The handheld Garmen GPSmap 78sc has it's own Garminized charts and I had that plugged into a winXP netbook running sas.planet with navionics charts and google maps imagery available, toggling back and forth when desired.  I also had NOAA charts on both an android tablet running OpenCPN and on a non-activated TracFone (making it a mini-tablet, micro?), I used Backcountry Navigator, which tiles the charts from the NOAA server.  So, I had plenty of lines to look at.  :-)

BUT, I didn't even consider that navionics might have updated their charts for the area I was going to play in that day.  After John A. posted his screenshot, I went to the naviontics website, and sure enough, new images popped up. So this morning, I ran sas.planet, automatically downloading the new tiles from the server.  I guess I should get in the habit of doing that every few weeks.

Speaking of the navionics server....  For folks without nav progs on a device, you can still view the charts online for free.  Here's the area that we've been talking about:  https://webapp.navionics.com/#boating@13&key=ezkuGzk{kV

Just make sure you have javacrap turned on.  

Hope some of this helps...



Re: September Messabout?

Mark Neuhaus
 

This any help for planning?  I could see it going for a week......


On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 10:14 AM Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

How many days for that trip?  Or how many miles?  
 


Re: September Messabout?

elaineginader
 

Sounds good to me Mark.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:


On Friday, August 27, 2021, Dan <danashore@...> wrote:

“Downstream from Portland, in September” has a nice ring to it, doncha’thimk?


Sounds good to me, at this point.

I could envision a round trip at a leisurely pace and folks could join in or out for whatever time they have available. 


Re: September Messabout?

Mark Neuhaus
 



On Friday, August 27, 2021, Dan <danashore@...> wrote:

“Downstream from Portland, in September” has a nice ring to it, doncha’thimk?


Sounds good to me, at this point.

I could envision a round trip at a leisurely pace and folks could join in or out for whatever time they have available. 


Re: Using OpenCPN

Mark Neuhaus
 



On Saturday, August 28, 2021, johnacord <jcacord@...> wrote:

I have also used multiple chart collections into directories and select the one I want, as Bob described.  I wanted to try some Vector charts .
 
I, too, have sub-directories of charts of different areas. And would just go into the chart selection box and add the ones I wanted and remove those I didn't want.

But just this morning I decided to take a look at Opencpn's 'chart groups' and see how that works. Sorta slick from a quick dabble at it. You can have a whole directory of charts available and then make several chart groups of selected charts. Only one group at a time is visible, so you can control the clutter on the screen and switch groups at a push of a button.  Anybody played with this feature and can add hints or warnings?

Mark


Not new, just update

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks John !!  I decided -- since my MK repair parts order didn't get shipped - that I'd cancel the whole thing.  The reason is unusual.  According to my VIN serial numbers, it shows my motor is the 615 th motor after the factory upgrade was started.  My core number is exactly the same as the "upgrade" from the earlier models but same output figures.  So, no need to go after a replacement with the exact same armature stock numbers.

I cancelled prior to shipment, and called the company plus an eMail this morning.  Sooo, now I can go over that armature, order another seal set, and reinstall.  The brushes look good, and probably I could just clean everything and finish it.  It seems prudent to really look, service the anmature, check points, and get new bushings as a minimum refitting.  I did do new front engine guard fins, lighter, smaller, thinner with thin glass over one side.  Been looking for better turning, this should help, thinner, and still provide protection like the last ones.

So, yep, next week I will try to get the ducks in a line again, make plans, and save some bucks by using what was provided up front by MK.   Later,   Cal

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