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Re: What's the World Coming To!

 

I'm glad your jaunt had a happy ending in spite of the blown shear pin. Good thing that quick-thinking gal was there on the dock! Shear pins --
the bane of outboard conversions, and of course it usually happens when you're maneuvering in a tight spot! You're a smart guy, Myles, is there some way to retrofit something that gives a "soft start", without having to replace your controller with a $marter one?

<rant>

I'd like to get my hands on whoever invented "wake sports" that require deliberately making a Big wake! <harrumph> But some of the worst wake madness I've seen was when we held a messabout on the Siuslaw when the salmon were in the river! The inconsiderate fishermen mostly weren't wealthy folks with more money than sense, they were middle-class with access to credit to buy their overpowered aluminum fishing boats. More credit than sense, I suppose. <sigh> The fishermen had to slow down to troll for salmon, when they were buffeted by the wakes of other fishermen, but then, even though they knew what it felt like to be on the receiving end, they'd go speeding to the next good spot dragging a huge wake behind. <sigh>

The Salish Sea has Plenty of people with more money than sense (inside the entrance to Gig Harbor it's like an elephant graveyard of huge, bloated, grotesque motorboats, at marinas on one side and private docks on the other). They also don't know, or apparently care about, the rules of the road. You'll see one go buy with the helmsperson staring resolutely straight ahead, not paying attention to crossing traffic, or glancing back to see what damage their wake is causing. <sigh> Here's an example from the first Salish 100. :o(

https://flic.kr/p/2gJqNvd

</rant>

On 6/22/2021 7:01 AM, Myles T wrote:
We did a 20mile jaunt upriver to Camas on Saturday, back on Sunday---all electric of course. If it weren't for all the idiots and inconsiderate humans on the water, it would have been a splendid adventure. Wake-makers of all types were out in force and jetskis everywhere. We used our middle fingers to navigate thru the wakes on many occasions...also my air horn came in handy for a few clear a-holes with too much money and too little time to be concerned about taking marine safety courses or being concerned about anyone but themselves.
Yes, what is the world coming to?
Anyway, aside from blowing a shear pin right as I was beginning to dock at Camas, it was non-eventful. ...
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Re: What's the World Coming To!

Myles Twete
 

We did a 20mile jaunt upriver to Camas on Saturday, back on Sunday---all electric of course. If it weren't for all the idiots and inconsiderate humans on the water, it would have been a splendid adventure. Wake-makers of all types were out in force and jetskis everywhere. We used our middle fingers to navigate thru the wakes on many occasions...also my air horn came in handy for a few clear a-holes with too much money and too little time to be concerned about taking marine safety courses or being concerned about anyone but themselves.
Yes, what is the world coming to?

Anyway, aside from blowing a shear pin right as I was beginning to dock at Camas, it was non-eventful. While adrift and sliding downstream towards other boats, I fortunately had dropped my wife at the dock and, thinking, threw the anchor overboard...boy is it deep there (I don't think it came close to the bottom). I guess the anchor provided enough drag that the boat pivoted about the anchor line and the nose swung towards the dock in time for Val to grab the line in front and for another woman to catch the rear line...came an inch from hitting the woman's trimaran bow sprit...whew....women saved the day!

Thankfully also, Camas has 30 & 50amp outlets at the guest dock...nice to be able to recharge for the return trip. And again, mucho loco on the water heading downstream. And the wind I thought might be North-NE, turned out to mostly be headwind. Still, great adventure and no electrons were harmed this weekend.

-MT

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Subject: [oregoncoots] What's the World Coming To!

<rant>

Leave it to Mercury to push the envelope of excess. Remember their outrageous inline six outboards years ago? Perusing the new BoatUS magazine I found an article on their latest: a 7.62 liter (465 cu. in.),
1,200 lb., 600 hp. V-12 monster! <gasp>

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/engines/outboard/verado/verado-600hp/

Another article was about the advances in "little eggbeaters" -- outboards under 100 hp.!

Yet another article was about safe "wake sport" boat operation. It spent one small paragraph on obeying boating laws and choosing an area away from docks and other boats for playing. Not one mention of a boat operator being responsible for damage done by their wake. <sigh>

Not in the magazine: The other evening Bob L and I were out watching the sailboat races. When we came back to Richardson, a yahoo on a jet-ski came speeding back to the launch ramp, not slowing down a whit when he passed the "no wake" buoys. I took a few pictures to see if I could get the reg. number of the PWC. There wasn't one. later I drove by the launch ramp where they were still loading up another PWC on the same trailer as the first. They looked identical, right down to having no registration numbers. To top things off, there was no front license plate on the gigantic pickup (of course) towing the trailer! <sigh>

</rant>

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Boats with suspension

Case Turner
 

Check out this ride from NautiCraft


Dirt

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two OPB videos

David
 

Here are links to two Oregon Public Broadcasting videos that might interest Coots

One on the Columbia River Bar, Graveyard of the Pacific

The second on Columbia River Bar pilots

both very well done.

David Quale


Re: Fer reals this time

Andrew Linn
 

Hinge. I'll put up pics tomorrow.

On 6/21/2021 10:05 AM, elaineginader wrote:
Does it have a mast hinge or do you have to step it?

Thanks, Elaine


Re: Fer reals this time

 

Good question, Elaine. If Andy's Daysailer II has the hinged mast there are ways to make raising the mast pretty easy.

How many gronicles in the batch of fiddly bits, Andy?

On 6/21/2021 10:05 AM, elaine wrote:
Does it have a mast hinge or do you have to step it?
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Re: Fer reals this time

elaineginader
 

Does it have a mast hinge or do you have to step it?

Thanks, Elaine

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 10:42 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
Buncha Duckworks blocks and assorted cleats, etc. It'll be sold as a
block. Cheap.

On 6/20/2021 8:02 PM, Case Turner wrote:
> I’m Interested in seeing the “fiddy bits”.
>
> Are they bulk packed? Singles? Can you fit them in the glove box of a
> Kia, or does one need to rent a Uhaul?
>
> Show us your bits Andy!
>
> CSe
>
> Sent from not here
>
>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 7:45 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hey Andy,
>>
>> I'm interested but I'd like to see her first please.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...
>> <mailto:alinn@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
>>     about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I
>>     am not.
>>     I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.
>>
>>     That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
>>     O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer,
>>     2 bags
>>     of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price:
>>     $1300.
>>     Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
>>     2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900
>>
>>     Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>







Re: Fer reals this time

Andrew Linn
 

Buncha Duckworks blocks and assorted cleats, etc. It'll be sold as a block. Cheap.

On 6/20/2021 8:02 PM, Case Turner wrote:
I’m Interested in seeing the “fiddy bits”.

Are they bulk packed? Singles? Can you fit them in the glove box of a Kia, or does one need to rent a Uhaul?

Show us your bits Andy!

CSe

Sent from not here

On Jun 20, 2021, at 7:45 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@gmail.com> wrote:


Hey Andy,

I'm interested but I'd like to see her first please.

Elaine

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@andrewlinn.com <mailto:alinn@andrewlinn.com>> wrote:

I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I
am not.
I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer,
2 bags
of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price:
$1300.
Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.





Re: Fer reals this time

Andrew Linn
 

Pictures? Pictures! I don't even have any pictures. I'll get pictures, but in the meantime: The boat looks just like an ODay Daysailer II and the motor looks just like a Honda 2h longshaft.

On 6/20/2021 6:28 PM, elaineginader wrote:
Andy,

Picture please.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@andrewlinn.com <mailto:alinn@andrewlinn.com>> wrote:

I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I am
not.
I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer,
2 bags
of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price:
$1300.
Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.


Re: Fer reals this time

 

I think that was a typo. Andy probably meany "fiddly bits", like gronicles and such...

On 6/20/2021 8:02 PM, Dirt wrote:
I’m Interested in seeing the “fiddy bits”.
Are they bulk packed? Singles? Can you fit them in the glove box of a Kia, or does one need to rent a Uhaul?
Show us your bits Andy!
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Re: Fer reals this time

Case Turner
 

I’m Interested in seeing the “fiddy bits”. 

Are they bulk packed? Singles? Can you fit them in the glove box of a Kia, or does one need to rent a Uhaul? 

Show us your bits Andy! 

CSe

Sent from not here

On Jun 20, 2021, at 7:45 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:


Hey Andy,  

I'm interested but I'd like to see her first please.

Elaine

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I am not.
I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer, 2 bags
of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price: $1300.
Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.






Re: Fer reals this time

elaineginader
 

Hey Andy,  

I'm interested but I'd like to see her first please.

Elaine

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I am not.
I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer, 2 bags
of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price: $1300.
Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.






Re: Fer reals this time

 

Here's an article about Daysailers, Elaine. One of Uffa Fox's last designs. They're planing boats that are fast by Coot standards, but considered boring by the go-fast crowd. <g> I've never sailed one, but I don't think they're very scary, since I've seen inexperienced sailors, and families, sailing them. I've never even sat in one, so I can't say how comfortable they are. The photos in the article seem to show ample legroom, but lowish seats and low coamings. It's bound to be more comfortable than Larimar! <g>

https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/oday-day-sailer/

On 6/20/2021 6:28 PM, elaine

Picture please.
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Re: Fer reals this time

elaineginader
 

Andy,

Picture please.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:39 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking
about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I am not.
I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer, 2 bags
of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price: $1300.
Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.






Fer reals this time

Andrew Linn
 

I was standing in front of my new-to-me O'Day Daysailer II thinking about when I was going to put it in the water, and I realized I am not. I just don't have the interest any more. Not even a glimmer.

That said, my loss is someone else's gain. the following is for sale:
O'Day Daysailer, excellent shape, outstanding galvanized trailer, 2 bags of sails, ready to drop in the water and sail away. Coot price: $1300. Listing on Craigslist next wqeek for $2200
2HP Honda 4-stroke long shaft Coot price $600, Craigslist $900

Other stuff I will be listing later. Fiddy bits and whatnot.


Re: What's the World Coming To!

Josh
 

One of those v-12s would be perfect for Good Girl. 😜 OK, maybe not. 


Re: Francois Vivier and John Welsford (attn: Paul)

 

Great photo, David! Lazy boating. :o) What's the design of the boat in the foreground?

The French, especially the Bretons, have done a lot to revive the building and use of traditional boats, and traditional style boats. feast your eyes on some photos from their two BIG festivals:

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=LA%20SEMAINE%20DU%20GOLFE

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=F%C3%AAte%20Maritime%20de%20Brest

:o)

On 6/20/2021 7:19 AM, Thorne wrote:
Here's my fave photo of two of Vivier's boats, with what I believe is a solid wood Seil in the foreground.  What incredible lines!
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What's the World Coming To!

 

<rant>

Leave it to Mercury to push the envelope of excess. Remember their outrageous inline six outboards years ago? Perusing the new BoatUS magazine I found an article on their latest: a 7.62 liter (465 cu. in.), 1,200 lb., 600 hp. V-12 monster! <gasp>

https://www.mercurymarine.com/en/us/engines/outboard/verado/verado-600hp/

Another article was about the advances in "little eggbeaters" --
outboards under 100 hp.!

Yet another article was about safe "wake sport" boat operation. It spent one small paragraph on obeying boating laws and choosing an area away from docks and other boats for playing. Not one mention of a boat operator being responsible for damage done by their wake. <sigh>

Not in the magazine: The other evening Bob L and I were out watching the sailboat races. When we came back to Richardson, a yahoo on a jet-ski came speeding back to the launch ramp, not slowing down a whit when he passed the "no wake" buoys. I took a few pictures to see if I could get the reg. number of the PWC. There wasn't one. later I drove by the launch ramp where they were still loading up another PWC on the same trailer as the first. They looked identical, right down to having no registration numbers. To top things off, there was no front license plate on the gigantic pickup (of course) towing the trailer! <sigh>

</rant>

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Re: Francois Vivier and John Welsford (attn: Paul)

David Luckhardt
 

Here's my fave photo of two of Vivier's boats, with what I believe is a solid wood Seil in the foreground.  What incredible lines!

 

 


Francois Vivier and John Welsford (attn: Paul)

 

I was sitting on the throne looking at a not very old issue of Small Craft Advisor when I came to an interview with Francois Vivier, and was reminded that we were talking about his boats at the Coots lunch last week, and John Welsford's. Paul B wasn't familiar with the designers. Well, Paul, here they are:

https://duckworks.com/francois-vivier/

http://www.vivierboats.com/

The Ilur seems to be the most popular Vivier design over here. Ron Mueller in Bellingham built one. Gary Brown in Aloha built a beautiful Morbic 11, and brought it to the Depoe Bay show, and one of out lunch messabouts on the Freeway lakes.

https://duckworks.com/john-welsford/

http://jwboatdesigns.co.nz/

John Welsford's best known design nowadays is the Scamp, but his Navigator and Pathfinder are also popular. We see John at the Port Townsend Festival, when he can make it.



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