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Douglas oarlocks, was: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

David Luckhardt
 

Boat in the photo is my Cosine Wherry which I picked up on CL quite a few years ago - it was listed as a "Drift Boat" and had been modified with folding swivel seats. ;-)

 

I neglected to say that I made a flat side on the oar leathers that I built up for the Douglas oarlocks so they'd work better.  They came with hard white plastic sleeves / "leathers" but I hated the noise they made.

 

Photo of them on my Chamberlain Dory Skiff years ago - http://www.luckhardt.com/douglas_lock1.jpg


Re: Fern Ridge Charting, and Lunch Messabout? (was: Thanks John, great pix of the mudhole ----- Surprise Status)

Electri-Cal
 

Hummm,  Thursday might work for me also, John.  A good idea, if I can get the new control panel finished in time, and the wires hooked back up.  Last coat goes on today, 3 base coats and top coated.  The new varnish goes on easy, and recoats in about 2 hours, water based so no smell, and sets up fast. 

Wires got spread in a fan for easy id., then left hooked to the instruments to pop back in the refitted holes on the new panel, easier to do that way.  Better mid fender cleats, simpler deck ball mount,  doing stuff as usual.  Still considering sail setup.  I could do a lateen as easy as not by turning a jib long edge to the bow, luff on the boom, just one base mast to hang it on, maybe off center for easy mounting, or just remove hatches to sail. 

My lapstrake sailboat sail had a spritsail, to the vertical stub mast, a lateener would just be a different version of that, forward angled mast.  Stepped on the floorboards, angled forward like the photo, whip the sail to the sprit mast, an eye in the bow and "Bobs Your Uncle !!", a done deal except for running lines.  I have everything to make that happen on hand.  Use that jib you had at your place ought to do for a trial, maybe a leaboard on the port side if it needs it, but I do have a loong straight water line, might be enough in light air.  

Hot dog, summers here etc. ----  cal



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Re: Lateeners

Electri-Cal
 

Those lateeners are great sailors, I have read much about them.  Capt. Jack Aubrey fought one, in one of the books in the Master and Commander series,  Simple to rig, sail, and the boats are very fast.  Having the mast further back and more centered makes it easier to work with, and that is a huge plus with one line to drop it into the hull when the wind does a sudden blow. 

Now all we deed is for some coot to rig this simple set up, so we can see how that works.  Johns skin on frame would take a small lateen, I would think.  If somebody had a Hobie cat, that would also make the Islander or South Pacific version which is a great sailer.  I have a book on the islander versions, like from Tarawa, and down under.  Lots of good plans if some coot got that itch to build one. 

Good ideas sprout anew,   Cal


For coots that like coffee or mixed drinks

Case Turner
 

Wonder if you can get this in enough horsepower to max daiquiris?

https://fb.watch/5q_ISQmPdg/




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Re: Lateeners

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Fascinating, thanks John.
I was reading that its been shown that a lug rig can actually sail tighter to windward on it's "bad tack". (sail touching the mast) which I find amazing, but I'll trust testing it ove theorizing it every time.
I think I got that info from an interview with John Welsford about his small boat designs such as the SCAMP.
Perhaps the Lateen fails fine on it's "bad tack" despite what one would think.
-Jove

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:40 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
A lateen sail can have a great shape for going to windward, like a wing.
I think a lateen sail is the most beautiful shape out there. :o) Reason
enough to still use them. <g> Tacking is difficult, but lateen sailors
will sometimes tack without shifting the sail in tight places and light
winds.

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=vela%20latina&sort=relevance

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=felucca&sort=relevance

They still race lateen rigged boats, notably in the Canary Islands, with
real "racing machines". Watching them tack without lowering the sail is fun:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vela+latina+canaria

and more:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vela+latina+barco

Alan Villiers went on a voyage in a Kuwaiti dhow in the 1930s, to Kenya
and back. They didn't change tack often, but when they did it was a
strenuous maneuver with the Big sail and yard. His book, Sons of Sinbad,
is a goodun!

On 5/11/2021 9:52 AM, Jove Lachman-Curl wrote:
> Very cool,
> What are the advantages to the Lateen rig?
> What practical considerations have kept it alive?
> Tacking seems difficult, but maybe in a place with a daily wind reversal
> that doesn't matter much for daily use. Reach out, Fish buy, sell, reach
> home.

>
>     https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL <https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL>
>
>     https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf <https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf>
>
>     https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h <https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h>
>
>     https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ <https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ>

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Re: Lateeners

 

A lateen sail can have a great shape for going to windward, like a wing. I think a lateen sail is the most beautiful shape out there. :o) Reason enough to still use them. <g> Tacking is difficult, but lateen sailors will sometimes tack without shifting the sail in tight places and light winds.

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=vela%20latina&sort=relevance

https://www.flickr.com/search/?text=felucca&sort=relevance

They still race lateen rigged boats, notably in the Canary Islands, with real "racing machines". Watching them tack without lowering the sail is fun:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vela+latina+canaria

and more:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vela+latina+barco

Alan Villiers went on a voyage in a Kuwaiti dhow in the 1930s, to Kenya and back. They didn't change tack often, but when they did it was a strenuous maneuver with the Big sail and yard. His book, Sons of Sinbad, is a goodun!

On 5/11/2021 9:52 AM, Jove Lachman-Curl wrote:
Very cool,
What are the advantages to the Lateen rig?
What practical considerations have kept it alive?
Tacking seems difficult, but maybe in a place with a daily wind reversal that doesn't matter much for daily use. Reach out, Fish buy, sell, reach home.
https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL <https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL>
https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf <https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf>
https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h <https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h>
https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ <https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ>
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Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

 

Our intrepid Columbia rower wasn't feathering his oars either. I see you're using your Douglas oarlocks the right way around.

New boat?

On 5/11/2021 8:07 AM, Thorne wrote:
Interesting indeed!   One weird thing is that he's using Douglas oarlocks on round-sided leathers -- hence the clunk with every stroke. I was given a set by a local rower and built up the leathers with more leather and PL Premium, and they work great with very little noise.  Not for rowing purists as  you can't easily rotate 'em for the Dory Stroke -- but like my Twin Graybeal, I'm a lazy guy....
https://live.staticflickr.com/7822/47073396491_12448b9ced_b.jpg
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Re: Fern Ridge Charting, and Lunch Messabout? (was: Thanks John, great pix of the mudhole ----- Surprise Status)

 

I'll be out there by 11ish Thursday. Cal will undoubtedly show up earlier, and Earl is spending Wednesday night on his boat.

On 5/10/2021 11:55 PM, Josh wrote:
May be able to make Fernridge on Thursday, what time? Richardson? Got a new tenkara rod to try at the pond.
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Re: Lateeners

Claire Acord
 

Very interesting and lovely John,
I agree with Jove, it would be a great rig for land breeze out in the am, sea breeze home in the pm.
the photographer is apparently in Egypt, Mahmoud Elmokadim, if you belong to flicker it seems you can send him an e-mail....his photo stream does include pyramids, camels and the like.
thanks for sharing this
cheers
Claire


On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:05 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
No info on where these boats sail (Egypt?) but, WOW!

https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL

https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf

https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h

https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ

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Re: Lateeners

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Very cool,
What are the advantages to the Lateen rig?
What practical considerations have kept it alive?
Tacking seems difficult, but maybe in a place with a daily wind reversal that doesn't matter much for daily use. Reach out, Fish buy, sell, reach home.
-Jove

On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 10:05 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
No info on where these boats sail (Egypt?) but, WOW!

https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL

https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf

https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h

https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ

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Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

Richard Green
 

Nice photo!  Pretty boat.

Rich

On May 11, 2021, at 8:07 AM, David Luckhardt <david.luckhardt@...> wrote:

Interesting indeed!   One weird thing is that he's using Douglas oarlocks on round-sided leathers -- hence the clunk with every stroke.  I was given a set by a local rower and built up the leathers with more leather and PL Premium, and they work great with very little noise.  Not for rowing purists as  you can't easily rotate 'em for the Dory Stroke -- but like my Twin Graybeal, I'm a lazy guy....

 

https://live.staticflickr.com/7822/47073396491_12448b9ced_b.jpg



Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

David Luckhardt
 

Interesting indeed!   One weird thing is that he's using Douglas oarlocks on round-sided leathers -- hence the clunk with every stroke.  I was given a set by a local rower and built up the leathers with more leather and PL Premium, and they work great with very little noise.  Not for rowing purists as  you can't easily rotate 'em for the Dory Stroke -- but like my Twin Graybeal, I'm a lazy guy....

 

https://live.staticflickr.com/7822/47073396491_12448b9ced_b.jpg


Re: Dan from Almostcanada Visits Fern Ridge

Dan
 

Thanks very much John! Jamie and I had a wonderful time. I suspect
number C-24 "White Whale" is the reason that surveillance flights seem to
have increased, here, over the Frankenwerke. I do wish I could figure a
way to purloin the most of them. F***Z*** remains a master of
gaslighting...deep sigh. Dan.


Re: Fern Ridge Charting, and Lunch Messabout? (was: Thanks John, great pix of the mudhole ----- Surprise Status)

Josh
 

May be able to make Fernridge on Thursday, what time? Richardson? Got a new tenkara rod to try at the pond. 


Lateeners

 

No info on where these boats sail (Egypt?) but, WOW!

https://flic.kr/p/oXbPXL

https://flic.kr/p/p23zEf

https://flic.kr/p/Bofp8h

https://flic.kr/p/vFQQgQ

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Fern Ridge Sailboat Pix

 

Got some good shots of Mike S's 1967 Pearson Packet, Ursa Minor, last Wednesday evening, and some shots of an overloaded hotrod cat (40 knots? I don't think so <g>) and the Wm. Garden Eel from the Yacht Club:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVsND3V

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Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

Richard Green
 

Sailing that trip we always planned three days. Two was pushing it but….amazing trip.

Rich

On May 10, 2021, at 12:17 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com> wrote:

Thanks, Dirt. An interesting video that brings up a couple of questions: Why do it in two days? Woulda been more fun if he took several days, or a week. And why is he rowing with his oarlocks backwards? But good for him to have gone out and done it.

On 5/10/2021 11:53 AM, Case wrote:
Saw this video and thought you’d all like it.
https://youtu.be/waoiPeysplk <https://youtu.be/waoiPeysplk>
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Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

Richard Green
 

Fun to see, thanks!

Rich

On May 10, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:

Saw this video and thought you’d all like it.


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Re: Portland to the Pacific in a dory

 

Thanks, Dirt. An interesting video that brings up a couple of questions: Why do it in two days? Woulda been more fun if he took several days, or a week. And why is he rowing with his oarlocks backwards? But good for him to have gone out and done it.

On 5/10/2021 11:53 AM, Case wrote:
Saw this video and thought you’d all like it.
https://youtu.be/waoiPeysplk <https://youtu.be/waoiPeysplk>
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Re: Dan from Almostcanada Visits Fern Ridge

Richard Green
 

Fun pics, thanks!

Rich

On May 10, 2021, at 11:56 AM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com> wrote:

Some photos from the messabout a few weeks ago:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVA8XjV

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