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Re: Fern Ridge Depths (was: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter)

Dan
 

I'm thinking them Navionics boys and girls should come swimming, down by
Gibson Island, where i took a dip last month. I was standing on a rockpile
in waist deep water. I'm guessing this map shows 11 feet at about the same
spot...but, then, I was experiencing heatstroke similar to an Eskimo in
Miami that day. There was still snow on the ground at home when I left for
FR, so in my delirium, could have guessed at my location less than
accurately(?) dan.


Re: Wooden Sailboat for Coos Bay?

 

The boats are one and the same. Some of us Coots visited Ted Chism at his place just up Joe Ney Slough from the Charleston boatyard in February of 2008. I saw the drawing from the Smithsonian he used to make the plans for the boat, and we loaned him American Sailing Craft so he could read what Chapelle had to say about the boat.

https://flic.kr/p/2kXo2QL

https://flic.kr/p/2kXx4oL

https://flic.kr/p/2kXo2Mj

There weren't any offsets of construction drawing from the Smithy, just a full size version of the illustration in the book (Ted had never seen the book, he just ordered some drawings of likely sounding boats from the museum and chose the flattie). He made his own offset table by measuring the drawing, and worked out the construction from Chapelle drawings of similar boats. I think he said he was going to put skipjack-like head on the bow, and maybe he said he was going to use a gaff main. It was a long time ago... And we still haven't got the book back! ;o)

It was indeed low tide when I took the photo of the flattie on the mud. Ted knew he needed a boat that could dry out because there's not much water in Joe Ney Slough during spring low tides, or even neaps. <g>

A sharpie wouldn't be so fat, though you can't really tell much from and end-on telephoto shot. The old-time builders discovered that a fat flat-bottom boat sailed better if you gave the bottom some V aft.

On 5/8/2021 8:00 PM, Gerard M wrote:
The photo I see is of a V bottom boat ashore, probably at low tide.
The illustration (plan) from Chapelle seems to be a sharpie, with a
really flat bottom. I find both attractive, but doubt they are the
same.
Here's a boat built to dry out in one of the sloughs off Coos Bay. A
"flattie" from Chapelle's American Sailing Craft. We visited the builder
when he was still putting the bottom on, years ago... Launched in 2017.

https://flic.kr/p/YC3K9C

https://flic.kr/p/YC3KdW

https://flic.kr/p/XZVhRv
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Re: Wooden Sailboat for Coos Bay?

Gerard Mittelstaedt
 

The photo I see is of a V bottom boat ashore, probably at low tide.
The illustration (plan) from Chapelle seems to be a sharpie, with a
really flat bottom. I find both attractive, but doubt they are the
same.
- Gerard Mittelstaedt
McAllen, TX

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 11:30 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com> wrote:

To illustrate:

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/Coast/CoosBay-18587.png

Here's a boat built to dry out in one of the sloughs off Coos Bay. A
"flattie" from Chapelle's American Sailing Craft. We visited the builder
when he was still putting the bottom on, years ago... Launched in 2017.

https://flic.kr/p/YC3K9C

https://flic.kr/p/YC3KdW

https://flic.kr/p/XZVhRv

On 5/3/2021 9:04 PM, I wrote:
...
But, here's an interesting topic for us to discuss: What's a good wooden
sailboat design, under 2,000 lb. for trailering ease, able to
comfortably carry two adults and two kids, for a big, shallow, windy
bay?
> ...
Most of Coos Bay turns into mud flats at low tide.
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Fern Ridge Depths (was: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter)

 

Ow! Those four-bladed props are expen$ive! :o(

Here's a screen capture of a Navionics chart for Fern Ridge, with the water depth adjusted to 4' low, the current condition. The light blue shading is 6' of water or less, the darker blue with dots is 3' or less.

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/ValleyLakes/FernRidgeMinusFourFeet.jpg

I have no idea how Navionics gets its bathymetric data, so at this scale consider this just a general approximation (there's more than four feet around the Richardson marina), and if you use Navionics, at larger scales. "trust, but verify". <g> But you can see that there's still plenty of lake for little boats to sail in, and even the Big Boys with 4' or more draft, though their lake gets smaller.

The attachment is Mike Stanley's Pearson Packet out Wednesday evening. He plays a concertina too! ;o)

On 5/8/2021 8:49 AM, Dan wrote:
I keep leaving Walkabout's DS turned on, when hauling out on the trailer.
It seems to still be forgiving my error, with a short period of
"indecision," then back on the job. Anyhow, I ran all over FR with that
MUD & WEED bottom with my bottom of the line Humminbird unit with accuracy
to 1.5 feet below the transducer...then came home and promptly destroyed a
new 4-blade prop on a rockpile (with excellent signal "paint" and simple
incredulity on the captain's part). We have low water, here too...deep
sigh. dan.

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Re: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter

Dan
 

I keep leaving Walkabout's DS turned on, when hauling out on the trailer.
It seems to still be forgiving my error, with a short period of
"indecision," then back on the job. Anyhow, I ran all over FR with that
MUD & WEED bottom with my bottom of the line Humminbird unit with accuracy
to 1.5 feet below the transducer...then came home and promptly destroyed a
new 4-blade prop on a rockpile (with excellent signal "paint" and simple
incredulity on the captain's part). We have low water, here too...deep
sigh. dan.


Re: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter

 

Though Fern Ridge is 4' below full, there's still plenty of it where a 3' draft boat can sail. Just be careful around the edges. If you touch bottom just pull the daggerboard up a bit. One of the 5.5s put in the other day, and it draws 4' 4" or so, and can't pull its keel up. <g> The Santana 20s draw 4'.

http://www.boat-links.com/images/SabresandScorpions.pdf

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/albums/72157719059687629

Cal's right that a depth sounder can be handy on a shallow lake, even in a little boat. The cheapest way to go would be a fish finder, even though you'd need a 12 volt battery to power it.

Wait a minute! Portable fish finders have got cheaper since the last time I looked (a few years ago). Anybody tried something like these? A Coot can probably cobble together a hull mount for the floating transducer.

https://www.harborfreight.com/portable-fish-finder-62675.html

https://smile.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B08RDSL7TX/themotherofal-20

On 5/7/2021 10:18 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
John can tell you about how to get the water levels direct from the authorities,  I think 3 ft. would be a limiting factor unless you stick the going between Rtchardson, the dam, and mainly this end of the lake not so close to the edges.  The center has about 12 to 20 ft. now, but I mudded out at 3 ft. in the back of  the slips, the cove beyond the yacht club, and most all of the inland side beyond the point.  We're still pretty shallow, and if it were me, I would get a cheapie depth finder, some run on batteries, like the ice fishing ones.  Portable, and you know when it gets dangerous to proceed because of the depth alarm. Saved my butt a few times, even with no sail, but the motor hanging down. aka,  Triangle Lake and others look better than they are on the edges.
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Re: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter

Electri-Cal
 

John can tell you about how to get the water levels direct from the authorities,  I think 3 ft. would be a limiting factor unless you stick the going between Rtchardson, the dam, and mainly this end of the lake not so close to the edges.  The center has about 12 to 20 ft. now, but I mudded out at 3 ft. in the back of  the slips, the cove beyond the yacht club, and most all of the inland side beyond the point.  We're still pretty shallow, and if it were me, I would get a cheapie depth finder, some run on batteries, like the ice fishing ones.  Portable, and you know when it gets dangerous to proceed because of the depth alarm.  Saved my butt a few times, even with no sail, but the motor hanging down. aka,  Triangle Lake and others look better than they are on the edges.

Later,  Cal


Re: Good Critique Coots -- Electrical Wiring Dismantling today

 

While you've got all that spaghetti strewn around, Cal, take our advice and make a wiring diagram before/while putting everything back together. <g>

Do as I say, not as I do... I need to diagram the much simpler wiring in my boats before I make a bigger mess of them. ;o)

Have fun.

On 5/6/2021 9:06 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
After the visiting at Fern Ridge, I decided to expand and fedo the control panel for Surprise.  I lucked into some of the varnished Oak lite ply from another project.  Today was removing all instruments carefully, removing the instrument panel, and create a 50% bigger, easier to read set up.   Wow, cockpit floor like a spaghetti factory gone crazy, with the possibility of a fire or blown electrics thrown in. --  what fun !!   New panel glued up, without holes, and moved for easier viewing, I hope.  When I check out the new parts, and instrument to reinstall should be easier to read everything.   Be tied up for a bit till some  gauge stuff comes in, maybe but I hope not.
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Good Critique Coots -- Electrical Wiring Dismantling today

Electri-Cal
 

After the visiting at Fern Ridge, I decided to expand and fedo the control panel for Surprise.  I lucked into some of the varnished Oak lite ply from another project.  Today was removing all instruments carefully, removing the instrument panel, and create a 50% bigger, easier to read set up.   Wow, cockpit floor like a spaghetti factory gone crazy, with the possibility of a fire or blown electrics thrown in. --  what fun !!   New panel glued up, without holes, and moved for easier viewing, I hope.  When I check out the new parts, and instrument to reinstall should be easier to read everything.   Be tied up for a bit till some  gauge stuff comes in, maybe but I hope not.

Bedtime for Bonzo, nightall,   Cal


Fern Ridge Spring Messabout, May 21-23rd

 

The Spring Messabout is coming up in a few weeks; the weekend before Memorial Day weekend. If the water is still too low, instead of the picnic lunch at Shorelane Park we'll meet at Richardson Park:

http://www.coots.org/mb/

There's plenty of water for our little boats. Your little Tenderly won't have any trouble, Kent. I hope you can come!

On 5/4/2021 6:02 PM, kent o wrote:
What weekend were you all goin to be at Fern Ridge this month?  Some mentioned the water depth. Would my 10 ft Tenderly with a 3 ft dagger board be able to sail around??
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Re: A Sensible Outboard Cruising Boat?

 

Back in the day, an experienced boatbuilder could knock out a bent frame carvel planked small boat in no time. That's why there were so many of them. <g> It'd be fun to build one today, but they really aren't practical anymore, since they don't take well to trailering. And we aren't experienced carvel boatbuilders. <g>

Cal tried something interesting when he built the boat before Surprise he mentioned. He made the sides by lapping the strakes together first, gluing them into single panels on the workshop floor. Bending them around the forms must have been harder, but the result was a good-looking boat:

https://flic.kr/p/fE6Ldh

On 5/5/2021 6:57 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
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If not for flat ply panels, ply lapstrake is next easiest to build, then bead and cove due to sanding fairing, the carvel is pretty labor intensive and heavier, on balance lapstrake plywood is the best looking in traditional style, for the effort involved, and even hell for strong while weighing less than any other method, in my opinion.  If I was to attempt another boat it would be with 3 mm or similar light ply, with the "builders choice " construction style I used on the sailboat before Surprise.  It would also be electric powered, especially for a stock minn kota  that I have.
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Re: How about this!

Electri-Cal
 

I'v been looking a a couple of mostly 50's British floating campers lately.  Another good candidate for electric, good ballasting space, quiet running, just have to have a bigger motor to check the wind drift..  The gas ones I saw had the stern windows set more inboard so they opened to work on the motor, rhen closed to keep the noise and stench outside at least somewhat.

Later,  cal


Any Book Keepers or shop/ installer people want a Permanent Position ??

Electri-Cal
 

Where La Verne is retiring from, after a bunch of years, Is looking for an either experienced, or semi-experienced replacement.  She is going to stay till a suitable person can replace her, or winter hits.  I didn't tell her I was sending out a message to the coots group.  I thought some person from our site might be able to train into this position.  In the past the company has even helped with moving costs, and with La Verne for a teacher, you could have a career path that works.  The pay is good, medical and other perks, a retirement co -op plan, they have done us well for time and vacation flex plans.  Obviously at first there needs to be regularity, and paid time for training.

They want to find somebody with some bookkeeping skill, preferably quickbooks, and fieldedge, those are two fairly common programs they use.  Like I say excellent training is what my wife is providing for a while.  If anybody wants to get in on this, without paying a fee to get the job, they will try to make this happen right now.  I think some moving to get good people in place.  That's it for my small "head hunting" excursion, if you know someone, pass it on.  Remember - I didn't let this out  since I stay out of her business.  Special consideration for experienced tradesmen, or women applying for immediate employment, from what I have heard, i'm no expert on this though.

Just as an aside, they are also looking for heating, insulation, and a/c techs.  Pays well, from what I know, plenty benefits, good medical,  contributing retirement plan , etc, and of course requires a drivers license They train for these positions as well.  They also do new home installs, so decent work on projects.  Obviously they do a healthy work space.  I don't know that much about it, but they were good guys when doing work here recently.

If you apply, or anybody gets hired, I'd really love to know about it.  Just curiosity as to if this was a help for anybody seeking a reliable job, with an old 3 rd generation company, thanks for any reply or questions you have.

Marshalls Inc.
4110 Olympic Street
Off the 42nd, street freeway  exit
Springfield, Or.  97478
(541) 747- 7445


 



Re: How about this!

 

Thanks, Dirt. Pretty neat! But the inside probably smells of two-stroke mix all the time. <g>

There still aren't many of the kind of launch ramps we have here over in Britain. A lot of small boat sailors use a trailer that carries a hand-launching dolly that carries their boat.

Here's a very Coot-like modern version of an amphibious caravan. One of Us needs to build one! Jim? <g> The plans are free.

https://youtu.be/TnhLb8zC8Tc

https://youtu.be/AQq4FZDFhxw

https://duckworks.com/carawhale-plans/

On 5/5/2021 4:56 PM, Case wrote:
Not sure I’d want that motor running inside! Maybe that’s why they all vacate the cabin!
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Re: How about this!

Stephen Miller
 

I'd like to see more of the inside.  After the launch I was wondering how they were getting it back up the ramp.  At least they mentioned a winch. 

Has a similar 1946 1.5 hsp Evinrude that ran at 26/1.  Being in the cabin with it would be deadly. 


Steve Miller


On Wed, May 5, 2021, 4:56 PM Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:
Not sure I’d want that motor running inside! Maybe that’s why they all vacate the cabin! 


Dirt

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How about this!

Case Turner
 

Not sure I’d want that motor running inside! Maybe that’s why they all vacate the cabin! 


Dirt

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Re: A Sensible Outboard Cruising Boat?

Electri-Cal
 

The arguably easiest way to do strip plank with solid wood, is to follow the "cove and bead' flexible connections,  Surprise, that acorn like dinghy (sold fast) and some other experiments that worked tells me that the bead and cove is way easier to cut, fit, and keep light.  That's a general statement, as i still like to sand pretty thin, to like 3/8 inch --  then use a 1 oz per foot fine glasscloth at least on the underside if varnished for strength, or both sides if painted.  When the steel 24 X 24 ft. cover collapsed on Surprise and partly on the car, with 3 ft. of snow on it, the boat held its share of collapsed steel framing.  A light bar was punched clear through the deck, easy to repair that too.   

The car was totalled out, boat took one day in hourly time, and scrap bead and cove pieces to repair and repaint.  If not for flat ply panels, ply lapstrake is next easiest to build, then bead and cove due to sanding fairing, the carvel is pretty labor intensive and heavier, on balance lapstrake plywood is the best looking in traditional style, for the effort involved, and even hell for strong while weighing less than any other method, in my opinion.  If I was to attempt another boat it would be with 3 mm or similar light ply, with the "builders choice " construction style I used on the sailboat before Surprise.  It would also be electric powered, especially for a stock minn kota  that I have.

Never get wet if I don't get going now, -----   Cal 



Re: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter

 

What weekend were you all goin to be at Fern Ridge this month?  Some mentioned the water depth. Would my 10 ft Tenderly with a 3 ft dagger board be able to sail around??
Kent Olsen 


On May 4, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

Once a coot. Etc.  Never old, always interested in the beauty around the boats.  Thanks,  Cal


Re: Darn Burgee Escaped over the Winter

Electri-Cal
 

Once a coot. Etc.  Never old, always interested in the beauty around the boats.  Thanks,  Cal


Re: Wooden Sailboat for Coos Bay?

Electri-Cal
 

I have the hand punches, grommets, the twine, fid and hand palm here.  I did a few years ago, on several sails, you are welcome to do a few here if you like.  I have books to show in detail also.  Happy to help, let me know if that would work.  Maybe we can talk at the coots event tomorrow.

See ya,  Cal

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