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Re: Triangle lake Wednesday

Josh
 

I haven't picked up a voltmeter yet so you can bet it was a constant nagging at my mind wondering if I was using too much power. I did mostly stay on 1 or 2 but sometimes the wind forced me to use 3 or 4 to be able to  keep going the right way, and a little on 5 just to see how fast she'd go.
It was also our first time using Navionics, it was pretty nice to be able to see where we were and how fast we were going. 


Re: Triangle lake Wednesday

 

I'm glad you had a good time on Triangle Lake, Josh. How much charge was left in the battery when you got back to the ramp?

On 4/21/2021 7:01 PM, Josh wrote:
Had to get a flat on the trailer fixed before heading out. It was really beautiful on the lake. The little electric motor took us to just over 3 knots. We crossed the lake then followed the shore back around to the launch. Took about 4 hours so great sunburns all round.
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Season Opener Messabout at Triangle Lake

 

Finally! Here are some pictures from the Season Opener messabout. <whew> It was a beautiful day, the lake was flat and calm, and there was only one obnoxious motorboat running around in circles. Why did only four Coots show up? <sigh> Kent went home after some good BSing, Earl and I piled into an electric Pickle, Dan M got into his rowboat, Lady, and we went out and had wonderful time on the lake. You shoulda been there:

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVmGyCW

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Dan's New Oars

 

No French oars for Dan! :o) Dan M got some carbon fiber spoon blades from the Antipodes and made a pair of oars using plans from Gaco Oarlock. He'll be using these oars with the skin on frame Shenandoah Whitehall he's building:

https://flic.kr/p/2kUk8Um

https://gacooarlocks.com/

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Re: Triangle lake Wednesday

Josh
 

Had to get a flat on the trailer fixed before heading out. It was really beautiful on the lake. The little electric motor took us to just over 3 knots. We crossed the lake then followed the shore back around to the launch. Took about 4 hours so great sunburns all round. 


Port Townsend Festival Applications Open

 

They're now accepting applications for the 2021 Port Townsend Wooden Boat Festival, September 10-12th. If you want to display your boat in the water apply early:

https://woodenboat.org/2021-wooden-boat-festival-boat-application/

If you want to find lodgings in Port Townsend for the Festival, act right now! It may already be too late. But they always manage to fit campers in at the County Fairgrounds.

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Not exactly boats - but a good product !!

Electri-Cal
 

I just (we) tested and are using a new clothes washing electronic device to replace $$ soap.  Hotels, motels, other commercial venue have wished for something to replace the high cost of soap, detergents, bleach, and other things clients might be allergic to.  It looks like there is now that plug and play replacement.  I waited a couple months to check it out.  It saves the total cost of laundry cleaning products, and uses only cold tap water.  So far it even took out week old blood stains from a cut I had.  Plugs into a 110v. plug,, uses only cold water and we chucked all the cleaning store stuff.  Replace one bulb every so often, and that's it. 

However, coots need more info., so to check it out, look for the site---  Laundry Pro2.0  -- "A Beyond by Aerus Technology"  -- product.         Having said that, they are not cheap, but way better for the water systems, clean sheets and towels clean better, and occasionally replacing the bulb is easier than lugging soap boxes etc.  No, I don't pretend to know how it does that, looks like a black light bulb to me,.  There are way more wave lengths than I know, but it does work for La Verne, so she is the MS. Clean expert on how well this system works.  I just like using less soap and bleach or stinky other products..

Just passing on a few things to consider,  Byeee,   Cal


Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Myles Twete
 

I’m guessing folks are using boat packs that are multiples of 12v generally, so assuming a DC “jump” to charge batteries, it’s even easier and fewer cars required…only some very long jumper cables .
48v pack: connect 4 cars' batteries in series, then run long jumper cables to your boat pack...or, do that to charge a "48v jump pack" that is on a hand truck or cart, then after charged, roll that out to the dock to jump your boat pack directly.

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Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Might need to hook up another string of ten in parallel for a faster charge. <g>

There's electricity to the shed by the sewage pumpout dock. It wouldn't need to be very expensive to run wires out to the dock for a few 120 volt charging outlets. The park could charge something to tie up there overnight for a charge (discounted if you already have a slip). But the County Parks are broke, so don't expect anything like that to happen anytime soon...

Did you get you Windrose launched, Jove? I'm glad you showed up for the messabout with River and Arwen. Bob is keeping his Scamp at Richardson for the season. Maybe you can arrange for Arwen to go Scamp sailing sometime.

On 4/20/2021 8:40 AM, Jove wrote:
if you put 10 cars in series with jumper cables would you have 120
enough to charge batteries? ha. that would be a funny sight in the
parking lot.
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Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

I'd love to try out a scamp, I've read great things. and I bet Awen would too.
I did get the windrose 18 in on Sunday evening, over at Orchard point, and sailed for an hour or two with River and Awen. Such a good little boat and so responsive compared to my big boat I've been sailing lately.
I got out again last night for a quick sail with Awen when I was going out to check I'd put her in the right slip in the dusk. (I'd forgotten to check when we pulled her in).
We've named her "Winnie" because last year someone said "she's kind of a winnie the pooh kind of boat, good for picnics". And it just happens to go with windrose as a plus.
Good to see you John, and others.
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On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 2:31 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Might need to hook up another string of ten in parallel for a faster
charge. <g>

There's electricity to the shed by the sewage pumpout dock. It wouldn't
need to be very expensive to run wires out to the dock for a few 120
volt charging outlets. The park could charge something to tie up there
overnight for a charge (discounted if you already have a slip). But the
County Parks are broke, so don't expect anything like that to happen
anytime soon...

Did you get you Windrose launched, Jove? I'm glad you showed up for the
messabout with River and Arwen. Bob is keeping his Scamp at Richardson
for the season. Maybe you can arrange for Arwen to go Scamp sailing
sometime.

On 4/20/2021 8:40 AM, Jove wrote:
> if you put 10 cars in series with jumper cables would you have 120
> enough to charge batteries? ha. that would be a funny sight in the
> parking lot.

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Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

 

Might need to hook up another string of ten in parallel for a faster charge. <g>

There's electricity to the shed by the sewage pumpout dock. It wouldn't need to be very expensive to run wires out to the dock for a few 120 volt charging outlets. The park could charge something to tie up there overnight for a charge (discounted if you already have a slip). But the County Parks are broke, so don't expect anything like that to happen anytime soon...

Did you get you Windrose launched, Jove? I'm glad you showed up for the messabout with River and Arwen. Bob is keeping his Scamp at Richardson for the season. Maybe you can arrange for Arwen to go Scamp sailing sometime.

On 4/20/2021 8:40 AM, Jove wrote:
if you put 10 cars in series with jumper cables would you have 120 enough to charge batteries? ha. that would be a funny sight in the parking lot.
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Salish 100 Registration in a few Weeks

 

The Salish 100 is still on, and registration opens may 3rd. Those of us who registered and were accepted last year get first dibs.

We sure had a good time last year! :o)

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmFdUUEd

https://nwmaritime.org/salish100

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Subject: [Special] [salish100] ANOTHER SALISH 100 UPDATE (April 19)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:08:02 -0700
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2021 Salish 100

Self-Supporting

Small Boat Cruise

We’re about to open registration (May 3) for the second Salish 100 small boat cruise, to be run July 9-15, 2021, starting in Olympia, WA, and ending in Port Townsend, WA.

This year’s cruise will be somewhat modified. Due to COVID 19 economic and social impacts, we are not able to offer the level of shore support and activities that we enjoyed in 2019. That being the case, we are announcing this year’s cruise as a self-supporting, sleep-aboard event, since we have not been able to secure camping options at most of the anchorages along our route.

We will be following nearly the same route, substituting Port Ludlow for Mats Mats Bay on the last leg. This year's participants need to be able to cruise with the group, to each of the nightly destinations. If you need to travel to a different area to camp or find lodgings, we will not be able to accept your application for 2021. (We need to account for you throughout the cruise, to fulfill our responsibilities under the terms of our insurance. We expect this to revert to the original plan in future COVID-free years.)

If you are considering a partial cruise (along our published route), or want to know what anchoring/mooring options for the complete cruise are, view some possible options below.

The situation as we know it today:

*Olympia* - Swantown Marina in Olympia has guest slips available. No camping, but there are hotels and motels in the area. (Cruise begins at 9 a.m., July 9; skippers should plan to arrive by the afternoon of July 8, to attend a skipper's meeting at 7 p.m., near the Swantown launch ramp.)

*Henderson Inlet* - Tent camping available as before on the waterfront lawn of a gracious Salish 100 participant. (We arrive in Henderson Inlet on the afternoon of July 9.)

*Penrose Point State Park* - All available campsites have been reserved by other parties; no known hotels or motels in the area but we are looking into one possible option for sleep-ashore boaters. /(Stay tuned.)/ Guest moorage at the state-park dock is first-come, first served. Lots of room for boats to anchor out. (We arrive July 10.)

*Gig Harbor* - There are no campsites available, but there are hotels and motels in the downtown area. We will not be able to visit the Gig Harbor BoatShop, nor hold a BBQ there, due to COVID concerns.  Guest moorage is uncertain at this point—at least one commercial marina has stopped renting guest slips due to the pandemic—but the main overnight moorage in 2019 was at the public Jerisich Park dock—first-come, first-served…a great facility with power and water, reasonable rates and great showers. (We arrive July 11.)

*Blake Island State Park* - There appear to be some campsites available. Guest moorage at the park’s marina is first-come, first-served. Anchoring out is fine, usually along the northwest shore of the island, where there are also some state-park mooring buoys. (We arrive July 12.)

*Kingston *- Our waterfront camping host for 2019 has rented out their home and camping is not available, but there are a few motels in town. We will not be able to have a BBQ or beach gathering. Kingston Marina has guest slips for all of our small boats. (We arrive July 13.)

*Port Ludlow* - No camping is allowed; accommodations are available at the Port Ludlow Resort, next to the marina. Guest slips for our small boats are available at Port Ludlow Marina. Lots of room in the bay, just outside the marina, for boaters who wish to anchor out. (We arrive July 14.)

*Port Townsend* - Point Hudson Marina has few if any guest moorage slips available (yacht club reservations already in). Boat Haven Marina is what’s available on arrival (no reservations). They usually can find space. If state park campsites are full (Fort Worden, Fort Townsend), the county fairgrounds can accommodate you. Most of our small boats will haul out at the Boat Haven ramp. (We arrive July 15.)

Water, wind, and scenery are abundant along the 100-nautical-mile route and can be enjoyed despite other circumstances. So, come join us and rejoin the world.

Lots of additional details will be included in the online registration form, which will go live on May 3, and we’ll likely have other updates between now and the start of registration. Boaters who completed application forms for the (cancelled) 2020 Salish 100, and were accepted for that cruise, will be given preference for this year’s cruise, but everyone will need to fill out a 2021 registration form, in part because we’re employing new and different sign-up software.

A final caveat: We will, of course, follow all current health protocols at the time of the cruise, which could—but probably won’t be—subject to cancellation if mandated by the State of Washington.

https://nwmaritime.org/salish100
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Triangle lake Wednesday

Josh
 

We're planning to have Good Girl out at Triangle lake late morning tomorrow to try out the electric motor and hopefully catch some fish so if anyone's there look for the bright yellow sailboat without a mast.


Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

if you put 10 cars in series with jumper cables would you have 120 enough to charge batteries? ha. that would be a funny sight in the parking lot.
-Jove

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 4:45 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
It was a wonderful messabout! :o) It sure felt good to get together
again with a codgery of Ol' Coots for BS and boating. We all had our
Covid jabs, so we could relax and get together almost like old times.
:o) It's not my fault -- Dan from Almostcanada was the instigator for
the messabout. A while back he asked, "if I come to Fern Ridge in the
middle of April would anybody come out and play with me?"

I think the best part was the raftup we did Saturday evening in the cove
on the other side of the Yacht Club (it takes a lot of breath to say
that all the time, I see that some Fern Ridge sailors call it Bang's
Cove, after the farm family next to Richardson Park). We had dinner,
then a little remembrance for Bob Mitsch, followed by a good BS session
until the sun went down. We'll have to do that again! :o)

The County can be unfriendly, but the Richardson park management go out
of their way to make the park users happy. I'll check with Sarah soon
about a safe (from County park rangers) place to park unattached boat
trailers.

I'm glad you've got Surprise set up well now, Cal. Stop fiddling with
her and go have some fun! ;o)

It's really too bad there's no way to recharge batteries at the parks on
Fern Ridge...

On 4/19/2021 7:03 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
> Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao
> the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will
> put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season.. 
> Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was
> spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more
> water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in.
> about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple
> places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take
> care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can
> be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area
> behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the
> trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring
> some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked
> on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind.
>
>   I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull
> speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several
> hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like
> plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull
> speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but
> only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once
> again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more
> efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also
> venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and
> fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat,
> smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a
> better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't
> hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.
> ...
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Fern Ridge

elaineginader
 

I'd like to thank Dan Rogers, Earl, John Kohnen,  Dennis, Bob Larkin for all of your help at Fern Ridge. It was such a great time on the water and giving good advise. Plus feeding me and giving me the best place to sleep. You guys are the best. Thank you all.

Elaine


Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

 

It was a wonderful messabout! :o) It sure felt good to get together again with a codgery of Ol' Coots for BS and boating. We all had our Covid jabs, so we could relax and get together almost like old times. :o) It's not my fault -- Dan from Almostcanada was the instigator for the messabout. A while back he asked, "if I come to Fern Ridge in the middle of April would anybody come out and play with me?"

I think the best part was the raftup we did Saturday evening in the cove on the other side of the Yacht Club (it takes a lot of breath to say that all the time, I see that some Fern Ridge sailors call it Bang's Cove, after the farm family next to Richardson Park). We had dinner, then a little remembrance for Bob Mitsch, followed by a good BS session until the sun went down. We'll have to do that again! :o)

The County can be unfriendly, but the Richardson park management go out of their way to make the park users happy. I'll check with Sarah soon about a safe (from County park rangers) place to park unattached boat trailers.

I'm glad you've got Surprise set up well now, Cal. Stop fiddling with her and go have some fun! ;o)

It's really too bad there's no way to recharge batteries at the parks on Fern Ridge...

On 4/19/2021 7:03 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season.. Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in. about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind.
 I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat, smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.
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Kent's CLC Tenderly (was: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes)

 

Your Tenderly looks real good with the paint on the hull, Kent. :o) It looks like it'll be a better sailboat than the Shellback, which was more of a rowboat with sails. I look forward to seeing it on the water soon.

Isn't a tenderly what Jerry's building, David?

On 4/19/2021 9:19 AM, kent o wrote:
Well got my new little boat outside yesterday to check the rigging and remind myself how it goes together.
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Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

 

Well got my new little boat outside yesterday to check the rigging and remind myself how it goes together.



On Apr 19, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season..  Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in. about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind. 

 I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat, smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.  

A few notes, again thanks for a good weekend,  Cal



Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Electri-Cal
 

Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season..  Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in. about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind. 

 I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat, smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.  

A few notes, again thanks for a good weekend,  Cal


Re: Kens AF4B

 

IIRC, one of the PVC pipe bows sprang out of my hand into the drink, explaining the sag...

https://flic.kr/p/2kTji4k

On 4/16/2021 10:07 PM, I wrote:
On my Jewelbox, Jr. I used a lift-off, lashed down, hard slot top for trailering and a soft top over PVC pipe "bows" (they were V-shaped with an L in the middle and whittled down Ts on the ends) with a bungee cord sewn into the edges that engaged hooks around the outside of the slot. Both worked good, but I never tried sailing with the slot top erected.
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Re: Kens AF4B

 

On my Jewelbox, Jr. I used a lift-off, lashed down, hard slot top for trailering and a soft top over PVC pipe "bows" (they were V-shaped with an L in the middle and whittled down Ts on the ends) with a bungee cord sewn into the edges that engaged hooks around the outside of the slot. Both worked good, but I never tried sailing with the slot top erected.

On 4/16/2021 7:06 PM, Ken P wrote:
Yes, I can clearly see the advantage of the hardtop for trailering or storage, particularly if it were leak proof or at least rainproof. Unless I wreck it by trying to make it hinge, I am sure that's how I will end up using it at a minimum. But I've also ordered the fabric and the hardware pieces to make a soft top, so one way or the other I'll get that slot covered.
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