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Re: Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

 

Well got my new little boat outside yesterday to check the rigging and remind myself how it goes together.



On Apr 19, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season..  Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in. about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind. 

 I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat, smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.  

A few notes, again thanks for a good weekend,  Cal



Good Fern Ridge Weekend, EV notes

Electri-Cal
 

Good idea John !!  Gotta love those new docks, with good bumper rails ao the ramp also, hope they used stainless screws overall.  I think I will put Fern Ridge back on my list, with Dorena and Lookout, in season..  Cottage Grove lake is too low yet, Dexter too boring.   The weather was spot on, in my opinion, and summer is here mostly, could use a bit more water but we all floated, and the depth showed plenty, except 1ft. 4in. about 50 yards from the coot hangout on the far side.  I tried a couple places, no go there.   Good to see as many as showed up, and had to take care of some trailer rules, but there could be an area where those can be hitched, even if it costs a few bucks, maybe inside the fenced area behind the host trailer for a few who need to go into town without the trailer.  Not a big deal, but another thing to consider, I might bring some chain for the wheels, harder to steal with axles and tires locked on.  With the economy, that might be a good solution for ease of mind. 

 I think I'll give the newest battery pack five stars, I ran at hull speed, with some fun hot rodding, for one full day, and one several hours before leaving.  Still had full throttle at the end, seems like plenty to go for a weekend, as long as cruise is at 4 mph gps, as hull speed.  I can feel the step,about there as the amps starts to rise, but only the sound increases and that's inefficient for good use.  Once again, electric works for hull speed cruising, so the longer and more efficient the hull, the way better the performance.  I would also venture to add that bottom rocker, or any curve is not helpful, rise and fall, or side leaning both have a slowing effect.  Electric likes flat, smooth, and calm a lot.  Might have done a 3 day weekend, but I need a better overall battery monitoring instrument, I put one in, but haven't hooked it up, because one day was enough sitting, and then went home.  

A few notes, again thanks for a good weekend,  Cal


Re: Kens AF4B

 

IIRC, one of the PVC pipe bows sprang out of my hand into the drink, explaining the sag...

https://flic.kr/p/2kTji4k

On 4/16/2021 10:07 PM, I wrote:
On my Jewelbox, Jr. I used a lift-off, lashed down, hard slot top for trailering and a soft top over PVC pipe "bows" (they were V-shaped with an L in the middle and whittled down Ts on the ends) with a bungee cord sewn into the edges that engaged hooks around the outside of the slot. Both worked good, but I never tried sailing with the slot top erected.
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Re: Kens AF4B

 

On my Jewelbox, Jr. I used a lift-off, lashed down, hard slot top for trailering and a soft top over PVC pipe "bows" (they were V-shaped with an L in the middle and whittled down Ts on the ends) with a bungee cord sewn into the edges that engaged hooks around the outside of the slot. Both worked good, but I never tried sailing with the slot top erected.

On 4/16/2021 7:06 PM, Ken P wrote:
Yes, I can clearly see the advantage of the hardtop for trailering or storage, particularly if it were leak proof or at least rainproof. Unless I wreck it by trying to make it hinge, I am sure that's how I will end up using it at a minimum. But I've also ordered the fabric and the hardware pieces to make a soft top, so one way or the other I'll get that slot covered.
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Re: Kens AF4B

Ken Preston
 

Yes, I can clearly see the advantage of the hardtop for trailering or storage, particularly if it were leak proof or at least rainproof. Unless I wreck it by trying to make it hinge, I am sure that's how I will end up using it at a minimum. But I've also ordered the fabric and the hardware pieces to make a soft top, so one way or the other I'll get that slot covered.


Re: Richardson and other reservations

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

I've seen pretty nice cleats cut from a piece of white oak.
-Jove

-------- Original message --------
From: John Kohnen <jkohnen@...>
Date: 4/15/21 9:44 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Richardson and other reservations

After I'd launched today and we'd gone for a little boat ride and I'd
tied Lazy Jack up in her slip on E Dock, Earl told me that They
_finally_ replaced the bumper strips on the docks at the Richardson
launch ramp. But I didn't even notice! ;o)

The bumper strips on the finger docks on E Dock are in good shape. The
trouble is they only give us two cleats, right at the ends. :o( A cleat
near the middle is awfully handy, and not just for spring lines. I put
in another cleat on the port side of my slip, because, for no reason I
can think of, I like to moor my sailboats port side to the dock. But I
moor my motorboat, Lazy Jack, starboard side to the dock -- for a good
reason, the helm is on that side. There's nothing to grab or get a line
on within reach of the helm. <sigh> I think I've got another cleat
somewhere...

Last year I ran a line between the cleats on the port side of my slip to
have something to grab. Worked good.

I've found that one spring line works fine, but it sure doesn't hurt to
have more.

Earl used to have a wheel on the corner of his dock, but took it off
last year. This evening when we took Dr. Petra over to his slip he hit
the projecting chunk of wood that once held the wheel...

On 4/15/2021 3:53 PM, Jove wrote:
> I saw a slip at orchard point where someone had installed 8"
> diameter wheels on the corner of their slip entrance. Lots of the slips
> had extra fender strips of various types added.
> This might be obvious to all, but I've become a big fan of spring lines
> fore and aft. Then I rock, push and pull my boat to make sure she's set.

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Re: Kens AF4B

David Graybeal
 

When Pat & Kay built the PK20 (similar to your boat) - they built a hard cover for the slot. Later, they rigged some  bows and a blue tarp for a soft cover with a bit more headroom, and more light. He told me once that he intended to do a more permanent, but collapsible, version of the soft top, and use the hard cover for storage and for trailering.


Re: Kens AF4B

Ken Preston
 

Thank you gentlemen, I appreciate the compliments to the lady of course, but actual examples of successful installations are a big help.  Cal, please clarify your use of weather stripping in the hatch cover(s).  I have used a cut open bike inner tube held down over the hinge by a pair of very light battens, but that was for a lid that only ever opened 90 degrees (top of the utility box on the tongue of a teardrop).  It works perfectly, but if you opened it 180 degrees the two battens holding the rubber would two-block on each other, so not a perfect solution.  Weather stripping actually in the joint??  That would open all the way, which is important, and I can just about imagine it holding out all but the worst storm rain. . .I've built what turned out to be a very pretty and neatly fitting one-piece lid, and have a stainless piano hinge coming for it, will cut it and add a bit of framing under the 1/4" plywood to hold screws from the hinge and strengthen that edge. . .and with maybe 3/4" of framing added to the 1/4" of plywood, I'd have an inch of "compression zone" to install weather stripping.  Was that your approach?  Thanks much,
Ken


Hand Crank and Props / Testing Those

Electri-Cal
 

I just  requested to order both the old and new prop types from the hand crank folks in Croatia !!  Might see how those props work on an electric MK head.  My 40 MK has a plug in amp / volt setup, for checking draw.  Haven't used it in years, but if I had two more props, plus the several I have it could get interesting.  Maybe I'd have to build an ultralight hull form balanced for good 12 v.electric prop testing, hummm !!  Reduce Surprise to a cartopper ot another superlight recessed tunnel hull, might do that easy, could that trunk carry in my Toyota ??.   Like "Flipper"  but Really light, carbon fiber this time, ---  just thinking !!

AArgHH !!  More Fun,   Cal


Re: hand crank outboard

Electri-Cal
 

To try out the clamp on a prop, and cranked by hand concept, -- I'm serious by the way -- Grab an oar or 2 X 4, tie it to the dock with rope, and see how long you can swing that in a pattern like a yuloh, or try cranking a 2 inch wood drill bit with a hand cranked drill, and time how many minutes  or holes you can do, over say the 10- 15 minutes it could take to dock in some evening gusts, after a day sail.   Not being obtuse, but it will cost as much to buy a setup for cranking, as a small electric base motor, and I'll bet you would rather handle the boat than sit there cranking while also steering, getting lines, pushing off or etc. into the slip.  I have "dawn rowed" from Richardson to the small beach beyond the dam, where coots meet as a fun row, that was about 1 1/2 hours and maybe 1 mile, and a few years back

I did see a good shaft drive, with a Minn Kota prop and cable connection, that uses an electric drill with the larger batteries, that might work.  Got plans for one of those, but I'm kinda fond of using both hands to dock, and don't think the old joints really enjoy rowing except as an occasional fun project.  Also a good electric "mud motor" or stinger might be a good option, if sorta invasive.  Thanks for the ideas, I have been meaning to use the big sweeps I made for Surprise a  few years ago.  Not this show, as the rear deck has to be removed, and the seat moved to centerline to row.  Best for my age is electric, a friend along, or a good book, and a good sound system, on a sunny day,  

Later, See you there ----- Cal



Minn Kota Prop Chat --- for Fern Ridge Event

Electri-Cal
 

if some others want to try some different props on their MK for a bit more push, trade for a bit more power usage, I may have an idea.  I have the Kipawa 3 blade prop, also a couple  larger stock 80 lb props modified to fit smaller motors, with shimmed shaft sleeves.  If you want to try one of these on your boat,  with your Minn Kota motor -- it saves me trying props on my boat, which has two big non removable pods hanging down. The props will be available for trying out, just ask.  I have been thinking of cutting one of my two larger props to try adjusting the power for better push, but I need more feedback from using altered bigger ones first.

A good way to see what works on your small craft, and check maneuvering and speeds with a cell phone app.  Not going over hull speed in any case, but feeling how the boat responds, more like turning, or stopping before you hit the dock at speed, or control in wind.   With an amp meter more can be done, but that is a different issue, as batteries sizes are a controlled variable, at the owners option  Smaller batts don't like to give up power as fast.  Let me know, so I can get with those coots who would like to try this.  I. like John K., and others like the Kipawas, but get curious about bigger two bladers, as they lay flatter for travel by car. 

Later,   Cal


Re: Richardson and other reservations

 

After I'd launched today and we'd gone for a little boat ride and I'd tied Lazy Jack up in her slip on E Dock, Earl told me that They _finally_ replaced the bumper strips on the docks at the Richardson launch ramp. But I didn't even notice! ;o)

The bumper strips on the finger docks on E Dock are in good shape. The trouble is they only give us two cleats, right at the ends. :o( A cleat near the middle is awfully handy, and not just for spring lines. I put in another cleat on the port side of my slip, because, for no reason I can think of, I like to moor my sailboats port side to the dock. But I moor my motorboat, Lazy Jack, starboard side to the dock -- for a good reason, the helm is on that side. There's nothing to grab or get a line on within reach of the helm. <sigh> I think I've got another cleat somewhere...

Last year I ran a line between the cleats on the port side of my slip to have something to grab. Worked good.

I've found that one spring line works fine, but it sure doesn't hurt to have more.

Earl used to have a wheel on the corner of his dock, but took it off last year. This evening when we took Dr. Petra over to his slip he hit the projecting chunk of wood that once held the wheel...

On 4/15/2021 3:53 PM, Jove wrote:
I saw a slip at orchard point where someone had installed 8" diameter wheels on the corner of their slip entrance. Lots of the slips had extra fender strips of various types added.
This might be obvious to all, but I've become a big fan of spring lines fore and aft. Then I rock, push and pull my boat to make sure she's set.
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Re: Richardson and other reservations

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

I saw a slip at orchard point where someone had installed 8" diameter wheels on the corner of their slip entrance. Lots of the slips had extra fender strips of various types added.
This might be obvious to all, but I've become a big fan of spring lines fore and aft. Then I rock, push and pull my boat to make sure she's set.
image.png
-Jove

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 7:40 AM Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:
Thinking about bumper strips, I'm thinking I might as well pack along a couple extras from old and sold boats.  Take along to tie off to the dock cleats, while i'm renting it.  Instead of festooning the hull with white or black bumpers just put some on the cleats, maybe one more amidships on board, where I can drop it over as needed.  Don't know if that would work, but a short walk through of ths slip would allow a check out and maybe a pre docking installation.  Getting darn sick of hoping somebody else will work on docks.

I have seen a couple cheap vinyl life cushions hooked over and cleated off with good area for sliding into place on docks, flat surface area doesn't roll out of the contact area as much.  Might as well figure all rental slips are not well maintained.  Thanks for the heads up, there used to be "T" fittings that twist fitted between boards to hold bumpers, now maybe an extra dock line fore and aft would allow for better bumper fitment..

More Fern Ridge lack of "give a whit", what else is new -- Grimble !! -    Cal


Re: hand crank outboard

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Andrew, are you suggesting there's a difference between 4 horse power and 100 Watts?
:)

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 2:09 PM Andrew Linn <alinn@...> wrote:
There's a reason outboards are so powerful and use so much gas


On 4/15/2021 11:38 AM, Jove Lachman-Curl wrote:
> Thanks John,
> I've always been intrigued with the idea of sculling, I've seen videos
> of people moving 35 ft sailboats with a 14' oar at around 1.5 knots.
> Great for getting in and out of the dock, or as a backup.
> and I'm sure very effective on a small trailer sailor. I use greenland
> style kayak paddles I made and I like to scull myself sideways. It's
> very effective.
> I like that device for attaching to an oar. it's a good idea.
> basically it makes a yuloh from an oar. I might try something like that.
>
> Sculling side draw kayak:
> https://youtu.be/WJt_8GxmHu0?t=49 <https://youtu.be/WJt_8GxmHu0?t=49>
> Thanks for the tips.
> -Jove
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:18 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...
> <mailto:jkohnen@...>> wrote:
>
>     Andrew tried a crank outboard out at a Depoe bay show, they're not
>     a new
>     idea. It didn't look like it worked very well. But maybe that was
>     just
>     because of the operator. <g> Mighta worked better if the propeller
>     shaft
>     was closer to horizontal...
>
>     https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9 <https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9>
>
>     https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S <https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S>
>







Re: hand crank outboard

Andrew Linn
 

There's a reason outboards are so powerful and use so much gas

On 4/15/2021 11:38 AM, Jove Lachman-Curl wrote:
Thanks John,
I've always been intrigued with the idea of sculling, I've seen videos of people moving 35 ft sailboats with a 14' oar at around 1.5 knots. Great for getting in and out of the dock, or as a backup.
and I'm sure very effective on a small trailer sailor. I use greenland style kayak paddles I made and I like to scull myself sideways. It's very effective.
I like that device for attaching to an oar. it's a good idea. basically it makes a yuloh from an oar. I might try something like that.

Sculling side draw kayak:
https://youtu.be/WJt_8GxmHu0?t=49 <https://youtu.be/WJt_8GxmHu0?t=49>
Thanks for the tips.
-Jove

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:18 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com <mailto:jkohnen@boat-links.com>> wrote:

Andrew tried a crank outboard out at a Depoe bay show, they're not
a new
idea. It didn't look like it worked very well. But maybe that was
just
because of the operator. <g> Mighta worked better if the propeller
shaft
was closer to horizontal...

https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9 <https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9>

https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S <https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S>


Re: hand crank outboard

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Thanks John,
I've always been intrigued with the idea of sculling, I've seen videos of people moving 35 ft sailboats with a 14' oar at around 1.5 knots. Great for getting in and out of the dock, or as a backup.
and I'm sure very effective on a small trailer sailor. I use greenland style kayak paddles I made and I like to scull myself sideways. It's very effective.
I like that device for attaching to an oar. it's a good idea. basically it makes a yuloh from an oar. I might try something like that.

Sculling side draw kayak:
-Jove

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 8:18 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Andrew tried a crank outboard out at a Depoe bay show, they're not a new
idea. It didn't look like it worked very well. But maybe that was just
because of the operator. <g> Mighta worked better if the propeller shaft
was closer to horizontal...

https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9

https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S

Except for the storage problem, I think a sculling oar would work better
for a fairly heavy boat. Duckworks sells carbon fiber ferrules to make
two-piece oars:

https://duckworks.com/pair-of-carbon-fiber-ferrules-for-oars/

They also sell the Scullmatix. "a simple device to make sculling a boat
almost automatic." I think Jim Ballou bought one, but I never tried
it... You make your oar two-piece to use it with a Scullmatix, so it may
kill two birds with one stone:

https://duckworks.com/scullmatix/

On 4/14/2021 11:47 AM, Jove wrote:
> Has anyone tried one of these?
> https://www.axamarine.com/hand-propeller-outboard

> There are cheaper ones on amazon.

> <https://www.amazon.com/BRIS-OPERATED-PROPELLERS-INFLATABLE-OUTBOARD/dp/B01HLSLJU8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hand+crank+outboard+motor&qid=1618425913&s=books&sr=1-1>

> Seems like a great solution for a small sailboat like my windrose 18,
> But I'm curious if anyone has any experience with this concept.
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Re: Richardson and other reservations

Electri-Cal
 

Thinking about bumper strips, I'm thinking I might as well pack along a couple extras from old and sold boats.  Take along to tie off to the dock cleats, while i'm renting it.  Instead of festooning the hull with white or black bumpers just put some on the cleats, maybe one more amidships on board, where I can drop it over as needed.  Don't know if that would work, but a short walk through of ths slip would allow a check out and maybe a pre docking installation.  Getting darn sick of hoping somebody else will work on docks.

I have seen a couple cheap vinyl life cushions hooked over and cleated off with good area for sliding into place on docks, flat surface area doesn't roll out of the contact area as much.  Might as well figure all rental slips are not well maintained.  Thanks for the heads up, there used to be "T" fittings that twist fitted between boards to hold bumpers, now maybe an extra dock line fore and aft would allow for better bumper fitment..

More Fern Ridge lack of "give a whit", what else is new -- Grimble !! -    Cal


Re: hand crank outboard

 

Andrew tried a crank outboard out at a Depoe bay show, they're not a new idea. It didn't look like it worked very well. But maybe that was just because of the operator. <g> Mighta worked better if the propeller shaft was closer to horizontal...

https://flic.kr/p/cjiwP9

https://flic.kr/p/cjix9S

Except for the storage problem, I think a sculling oar would work better for a fairly heavy boat. Duckworks sells carbon fiber ferrules to make two-piece oars:

https://duckworks.com/pair-of-carbon-fiber-ferrules-for-oars/

They also sell the Scullmatix. "a simple device to make sculling a boat almost automatic." I think Jim Ballou bought one, but I never tried it... You make your oar two-piece to use it with a Scullmatix, so it may kill two birds with one stone:

https://duckworks.com/scullmatix/

On 4/14/2021 11:47 AM, Jove wrote:
Has anyone tried one of these?
https://www.axamarine.com/hand-propeller-outboard
There are cheaper ones on amazon.
<https://www.amazon.com/BRIS-OPERATED-PROPELLERS-INFLATABLE-OUTBOARD/dp/B01HLSLJU8/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=hand+crank+outboard+motor&qid=1618425913&s=books&sr=1-1>
Seems like a great solution for a small sailboat like my windrose 18, But I'm curious if anyone has any experience with this concept.
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Re: Richardson and other reservations

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

I've not met the host at Orchard point yet, I'll report back when I do.
-Jove

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:49 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I'm pretty sure his name is Ron (it takes a few times for a name to
stick in my memory <g>), from Florida. He's real friendly and  seems
like he'll be a good marina host, if we don't scare him away. His wife,
Tasha I think, will be joining him soon. How's the new marina host at
Orchard Point?

On 4/14/2021 8:45 AM, Jove wrote:
> There is a new caretaker guy living in his trailer at Richardson, He
> seems quite friendly.
> He is still finding the ropes.

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hand crank outboard

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Has anyone tried one of these?
https://www.axamarine.com/hand-propeller-outboard
There are cheaper ones on amazon.
image.png
Seems like a great solution for a small sailboat like my windrose 18, But I'm curious if anyone has any experience with this concept.
-Jove

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