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Re: CAN IT BE??

 

I think the problem is just with the Lane County Parks reservation site. There's enough water for our little boats everywhere at Richardson. Call Sarah.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/FRidgeSlips

541-935-2005

The action this weekend will be at Richardson. Orchard Point is easier to sail in and out of, but Richardson is a lot nicer park (sorry, Scott).

On 4/13/2021 11:36 AM, Jove wrote:
Dan, what do you draft?
I think because the water is so low, they don't want people choosing their own slips and getting stuck in the mud, or people with shallow boats taking all the deep slips.
Richardson is short of space, but there should be something. especially if your boat is shallow.
There is definitely space at Orchard point.
Call Scot Coleman, who manages who boat is best put where, 541 954 7223
or Cynthia at lane parks, who takes the money. 541 682 8509
-Jove
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Re: AND IT'S A HAIL MARY PASSSSSSSS...

 

A Dock! I hope they don't keep you up too late with their antics or, worse, draw you into their revelries. <g> They're nice people out on A Dock (and the new marina host, Ron, said he'd been warned that they'd spread to B) but they do like to "entertain".

On 4/13/2021 9:27 AM, Dan in Almostcanada wrote:
By playing the pathetic outa'state card, got a spot over by the
potties...A-37.
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Re: CAN IT BE??

elaineginader
 

I just spoke with Sara and got mine. C7.

Elaine

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 11:37 AM Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...> wrote:
Dan, what do you draft?
I think because the water is so low, they don't want people choosing their own slips and getting stuck in the mud, or people with shallow boats taking all the deep slips.
Richardson is short of space, but there should be something. especially if your boat is shallow.
There is definitely space at Orchard point.

Call Scot Coleman, who manages who boat is best put where, 541 954 7223
or Cynthia at lane parks, who takes the money. 541 682 8509
-Jove


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 8:34 AM elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:
Earl's coming on the 15th and said someone could raft up with him Dan.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:06 AM Dan <danashore@...> wrote:
The online evil genius has steadfastly insisted there is no room at the
inn for either Richardson or Orchard Pt. this weekend...can Oregonians be
this anxious to get their boats in the water in April???  I'm wondering if
the authorities would come and cut my lines and set me adrift if I squatted
at the float over by the launch ramp...hmnnnn...dan.






Re: CAN IT BE??

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Dan, what do you draft?
I think because the water is so low, they don't want people choosing their own slips and getting stuck in the mud, or people with shallow boats taking all the deep slips.
Richardson is short of space, but there should be something. especially if your boat is shallow.
There is definitely space at Orchard point.

Call Scot Coleman, who manages who boat is best put where, 541 954 7223
or Cynthia at lane parks, who takes the money. 541 682 8509
-Jove


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 8:34 AM elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:
Earl's coming on the 15th and said someone could raft up with him Dan.

On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:06 AM Dan <danashore@...> wrote:
The online evil genius has steadfastly insisted there is no room at the
inn for either Richardson or Orchard Pt. this weekend...can Oregonians be
this anxious to get their boats in the water in April???  I'm wondering if
the authorities would come and cut my lines and set me adrift if I squatted
at the float over by the launch ramp...hmnnnn...dan.






Re: Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

MylesJ Swift
 

John - I had a single battery amidship and a 10 x 18 solar panel mounted facing straight up on the taffrail of my Micro. In 4 years at Dorena and then on South Ten Mile Lake for 3 years I never had to charge the battery. I would say your estimate of an hour a day for sailboat use is about right whether coming in after the wind died in Dorena or motorsailing upwind to the marina on Ten Mile. That was before solar cells got better and cheaper and before PWM controllers. The motor was a Minnkota 3HP which had a larger, flatter, prop than you find today.


AND IT'S A HAIL MARY PASSSSSSSS...

Dan
 

By playing the pathetic outa'state card, got a spot over by the
potties...A-37.


Re: CAN IT BE??

elaineginader
 

Earl's coming on the 15th and said someone could raft up with him Dan.


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:06 AM Dan <danashore@...> wrote:
The online evil genius has steadfastly insisted there is no room at the
inn for either Richardson or Orchard Pt. this weekend...can Oregonians be
this anxious to get their boats in the water in April???  I'm wondering if
the authorities would come and cut my lines and set me adrift if I squatted
at the float over by the launch ramp...hmnnnn...dan.






Re: CAN IT BE??

elaineginader
 

I called Richardson there's room. 


On Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:06 AM Dan <danashore@...> wrote:
The online evil genius has steadfastly insisted there is no room at the
inn for either Richardson or Orchard Pt. this weekend...can Oregonians be
this anxious to get their boats in the water in April???  I'm wondering if
the authorities would come and cut my lines and set me adrift if I squatted
at the float over by the launch ramp...hmnnnn...dan.






CAN IT BE??

Dan
 

The online evil genius has steadfastly insisted there is no room at the
inn for either Richardson or Orchard Pt. this weekend...can Oregonians be
this anxious to get their boats in the water in April??? I'm wondering if
the authorities would come and cut my lines and set me adrift if I squatted
at the float over by the launch ramp...hmnnnn...dan.


Re: Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks John, and all for various input.   Never would have got this far without the helpful info., and welcome criticism of the Coots out there.  Yep, think it's all good to go now.  If I quit thinking and just use what I finally figured out, it gets easier.  The latest deeper cycle batts., and reconnecting that "wiggled loose" main pack 2/0 cable gets it back to full range.  Too bad I didn't see that sooner, but all checks out now.  Even that last short was not enough to destroy the battery, big hooray there. 

Rear deck is finished, but I can't find my Coots club burgee, gotta be someplace not often accessed.  I plan to get to Fern Ridge Sat am, after breakfast, looks like cruising weather.  I might be able to recharge if needed from the gas pump again, so I will bring the "mastercharger" and heavy charge cords.  There ought to be a way to do that at local lakes, with a meter like EV charge spots on a phone.   Maybe I can finally get to the Honda charger, might even bring that along as a dockside charger.  Leaving the aft cover up partly should provide airflow and exhaust escape. 

Thinking about the RC sailboat, but maybe as a demo project at this point, as I haven't rigged it yet, but Jove asked about it, and I could stuff the parts in the car, we'll see .

Anyhoo!! ---  All is Well, good weather and another event, hot dog, -----   Cal     


Re: Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Josh
 

My interest in solar is simpler, just to boost the run time not fully charge the battery. And it seems like it's probably too complicated for that to be worth it. 


Re: Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

johnacord
 

Hmmm,  wasn't me that was building out of single cells.  I'm not doing anything with lithium at the present.  Staying with the Honda 50 on the Pelicano, pretty efficient for internal combustion and has the range we want that was impractical with electric propulsion.  Figured if we had to have a generator with electric to get the range may as well stick with the Honda.

As to a BMS:  Not hard to do if you know your electronics and can program microcontrollers, especially if you only want to have protection functions and balance manually. An ltc6803 and an Arduino would do it.

For 24V and a trolling motor it can be quite simple.

John A.


Re: Just another Several EV battery thoughts

 

10-15 amps (24 volts) isn't taxing your batteries much. Each bank is two 100 A/H batteries in series? 10-15 amps is only 10-15% of the maximum safe discharge rate, 5-7.5% if you're running four batteries in one bank.

Although it doesn't pencil out for best total range, having a reserve battery bank just for speeding back to the dock, ramp, or restroom at the end of the day is the way to go for you. But electric boaters should cultivate patience, and strong bladders. ;o)

If the batteries get down to 11.2 volts each, it's time to stop, like the depth sounder. It's hard to get an exact idea how much charge there is in a battery when it's in use -- to do that the battery need to rest several hours -- but I'd guess that 11.2 volts with a light load works out to well beyond 50% discharge. I used 12 volts per battery (24 volts) under light load for when I charged Tuffy's flooded cell batteries.

https://groups.io/g/oregoncoots/files/Motors/BatteryBasix.gif

Take care of your batteries! Due to making an assumption, I killed Tuffy's group 24 deep cycle Interstate batteries. An expensive assumption. <sigh> This year she's gonna have two new group 27 AGM$. Nice as they'll be, I woulda preferred to get a few more seasons outa the flooded cells...

On 4/12/2021 9:01 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
As an idea, IF a coot is motoring  ( or someone else ) uses say 10 to 15 amps to putt around, maybe higher in wind, tide, or extra coots aboard is there a battery problem ?
...
With an average 100 amp hour battery, that,s around 50 hrs available, tapers off and the Hummingbird depth finder automatically stops working at about 11.2 volts as a safety feature.  By guesstimate, thats 40 good amps to have at minimum draw, so with weather wave action losses, that 100 amps will be around 2 hours, except for one factor !!  When I Need to get back, time to go, getting cold, stiff, hungry, pottie break, park closes or daylight ends, nobody just putts in after the win dies.  I want back NOW, so I crank it up just when it's getting tired, that is when the trouble starts.  Just one more half mph, pleasssee !!
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Re: Thanks John !!!!

 

Did you get your slip through the Richardson Park office, Cal? I'm glad you're gonna be out there for the weekend, not just one day.

On 4/12/2021 3:25 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Oh yes !! Slip cost was one dollar a foot per night, as it figured out, plus one more.  So, $18. for a $17 footer, if any are available, do this now cause it's slow goin".  ___   Cal
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Re: Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

 

Setting a boat up to be able to run off the juice produced by solar panels requires patience, commitment, and dollars, but it can be done, even in the NW. Joe Grez did the Salish 100 on solar, and will be back again this year, I expect, with a larger boat. A fellow cruised the Rideau Canal in Ontario using solar, and wrote about it in Small Boats Monthly:

https://smallboatsmonthly.com/article/a-solar-solo/

But if you're taking your boat home after every use, and not trying to make a statement, good batteries and a plug-in charger make more sense.

If you've got a slip at the lake that doesn't have electricity, and you only use your sailboat a couple of times a week, solar panels may work to keep your battery charged, or at least extend the time between lugging the batteries up the dock and home to charge. One of my dockmates on E Dock has used two flexible solar panels on his cockpit seats (hardly ideal) with success for just that porpoise. Joe Grez said I could probably get away with one 20 watt panel. I got a 30 watt 24 volt panel that I'll mount so it faces the sun. If that doesn't work I'll try adding another. Last year I usually used about 5 amps (24 volts) for the time it took to go less than half a mile combined, usually quite a bit less, to get out of my slip and to get back to it at the end of a sail.

My dockmate's boat, not under electric power:

https://flic.kr/p/nXKqr3

Lithium batteries for Surprise wouldn't need to cost $5. They can be discharged much more deeply than lead/acid, so you wouldn't need the same rated amp/hours as your current battery banks. John Acord has been fooling around with making lithium battery banks using bare cells and his own battery management system. maybe he'll chime in.

But Surprise is pretty well set up now, Cal. Just go out and enjoy her. :o)

On 4/12/2021 10:24 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Never, zero solar interest now.  Here in the NW, the sun is so far out of optimal equatorial alignment, thanks Myles T. (low transfer), cloudy (same), takes up too much useful space to get enough, and has to be kept clean to work., looks ugly  I like the way my boat looks, I tried every thing, rechecked to fit the power I need and it doesn't work for me. I'd sooner put in better lithium batts., for maybe $5 thou., but not going there at my age.
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Re: Thanks John !!!!

Electri-Cal
 

Oh yes !! Slip cost was one dollar a foot per night, as it figured out, plus one more.  So, $18. for a $17 footer, if any are available, do this now cause it's slow goin".  ___   Cal


Thanks John !!!!

Electri-Cal
 

Just got my slip assigned.  Thanks to you, because there seem to be few available right now.  I will be on "C" dock # 6, just in case somebody is in it, har de har.  I'm coming out Sat. sometime and will look you up, but I'm not camping in an open boat that night, nor any other night.  Be seeing you, and all the others, sounds like a fun weekend.  Might scoot over on Saturday noonish for grins, or helping move stuff around.

Later,   Cal


Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Electri-Cal
 

Never, zero solar interest now.  Here in the NW, the sun is so far out of optimal equatorial alignment, thanks Myles T. (low transfer), cloudy (same), takes up too much useful space to get enough, and has to be kept clean to work., looks ugly  I like the way my boat looks, I tried every thing, rechecked to fit the power I need and it doesn't work for me. I'd sooner put in better lithium batts., for maybe $5 thou., but not going there at my age. 

I can put the bucks into the new deep and high capacity Interstate batts., with back up pack, and save a bunch of effort, or money your choice !   When my depth finder goes dark, I have enough to get in, or switch packs at my option.  Then the off line pack rebounds slightly and I get emergency power trickle back, at possible battery stress, so only if needed.

When solar cells get sewn into sails, maybe  ---  BUT !! then the sail gets heavier, and stiffer, and unhandy to work with.  My Positive Answer, a good dedicated battery bank with say no less than 40 % emergency capacity, plus the best deep cycle charger available, I have one super duty heavy charger from a distributor in China, works slick from 12 to 72 volts automatically.  Back up chargers are a 12v. pair from de Walt, one for each battery  for two at a time, to do each test series and keep a chart going, with dates.  I still have a 3 battery auto $200. charger that I didn't use !!! 

Lastly is the Uber Essential long term maintainer to prevent long term slow sulphation, ALWAYS READY TO GO .  The best charger and a maintainer does the best job for long trep capacity, use it too fast, recharge too fast, and you can easy lose the top 10% of capacity, a bad deal.

Take care coots, --   Cal


 


Just another Several EV battery thoughts

Electri-Cal
 

As an idea, IF a coot is motoring  ( or someone else ) uses say 10 to 15 amps to putt around, maybe higher in wind, tide, or extra coots aboard is there a battery problem ?  The battery sizes are defined # 24- 27 as popular ones for marine uses.  The area needed is wherever fits that size case securely.  I figure a sailboat needs an hour of run time minimum, not to exceed half comfortably, or 60% of battery capacity without excess harm. AS batteries age they don't hold a charge as well, so deduct for that.  From my uses I see a drop off in power gradually through long drain /run times. 

With an average 100 amp hour battery, that,s around 50 hrs available, tapers off and the Hummingbird depth finder automatically stops working at about 11.2 volts as a safety feature.  By guesstimate, thats 40 good amps to have at minimum draw, so with weather wave action losses, that 100 amps will be around 2 hours, except for one factor !!  When I Need to get back, time to go, getting cold, stiff, hungry, pottie break, park closes or daylight ends, nobody just putts in after the win dies.  I want back NOW, so I crank it up just when it's getting tired, that is when the trouble starts.  Just one more half mph, pleasssee !!

In my opinion, it's NOT the run time in the am, quiet sea, or marina that counts.  I want enough to get back with (double power use) some ( &@@! ") headwinds, full bladder, empty belly, and tired.  Those are  my thoughts on battery power, for what it's worth.  I am ONLY comfortable with a good marine series 27 deep cycle setup, that is also with a back up, in a power boat.   THe deepest power 27 size battery adds maybe 8 lbs. as a single battery in a sailboat, just put it down low and balanced as  needed. -------  Yes, surprise runs 4 batt. main 24 v. pack, plus back up 2 pack, but no sail gear to fuss with loading, stepping, etc., for my trailering it's worth it, as long as it's quiet as well.  I may add a sail, cause I own the gear, but my best power is electric, with the full setup needed for safety.

I will be at Fern Ridge, maybe I'll day trip it, thanks to the excessive costs, and management problems.  Glad I don't have to have a slip.  Just grab me if you'd like a putt around, sometimes I'm just not as aware of who is interested, ok ??    A lake like this is like a beautiful lady, who's Always sick !!  Too bad triangle is so shallow, I still think Dexter works easiest, and always full, that's except for the highway on one side.

A Nice Day - Go Get You Some !! ----  cal



   


Kens AF4B

 

Ken up on Bainbridge Island has been busy. Look great, Ken! :o) Looks like it'll be ready to hit the water before too long. He's pondering what to do for a slot cover now. He's starting with a hard lid. Any suggestions?

"I have made her a hard lid in the belief that I'll enjoy it very much in heavy rain, which I have to expect at some point if my cruise plans turn out to be realistic at all. We shall see. For first impressions though, the disadvantages of the hard lid are very apparent now that it's put together. In short, it's clumsy. It can't fit inside the cabin, you can't tend the anchor gear with it in place, and for sure, it will be hugely awkward swung out to one side or the other, but perhaps. . .we shall see. If I were to cut and hinge it so that it amounted to a fore-hatch and an infrequently moved cabin top it might work much better, and I do have some experience with making waterproof hinges for our teardrop camper. Access for anchor or tieup work forward would be easy, and if I wanted it out of the way, folded back on itself it would fit easily down into the cabin. Or of course, I could end up with a fabric top anyway. Watch this space for further details!"

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