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Re: Thanks John !!!!

Electri-Cal
 

Oh yes !! Slip cost was one dollar a foot per night, as it figured out, plus one more.  So, $18. for a $17 footer, if any are available, do this now cause it's slow goin".  ___   Cal


Thanks John !!!!

Electri-Cal
 

Just got my slip assigned.  Thanks to you, because there seem to be few available right now.  I will be on "C" dock # 6, just in case somebody is in it, har de har.  I'm coming out Sat. sometime and will look you up, but I'm not camping in an open boat that night, nor any other night.  Be seeing you, and all the others, sounds like a fun weekend.  Might scoot over on Saturday noonish for grins, or helping move stuff around.

Later,   Cal


Update Observations to this ---- Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Electri-Cal
 

Never, zero solar interest now.  Here in the NW, the sun is so far out of optimal equatorial alignment, thanks Myles T. (low transfer), cloudy (same), takes up too much useful space to get enough, and has to be kept clean to work., looks ugly  I like the way my boat looks, I tried every thing, rechecked to fit the power I need and it doesn't work for me. I'd sooner put in better lithium batts., for maybe $5 thou., but not going there at my age. 

I can put the bucks into the new deep and high capacity Interstate batts., with back up pack, and save a bunch of effort, or money your choice !   When my depth finder goes dark, I have enough to get in, or switch packs at my option.  Then the off line pack rebounds slightly and I get emergency power trickle back, at possible battery stress, so only if needed.

When solar cells get sewn into sails, maybe  ---  BUT !! then the sail gets heavier, and stiffer, and unhandy to work with.  My Positive Answer, a good dedicated battery bank with say no less than 40 % emergency capacity, plus the best deep cycle charger available, I have one super duty heavy charger from a distributor in China, works slick from 12 to 72 volts automatically.  Back up chargers are a 12v. pair from de Walt, one for each battery  for two at a time, to do each test series and keep a chart going, with dates.  I still have a 3 battery auto $200. charger that I didn't use !!! 

Lastly is the Uber Essential long term maintainer to prevent long term slow sulphation, ALWAYS READY TO GO .  The best charger and a maintainer does the best job for long trep capacity, use it too fast, recharge too fast, and you can easy lose the top 10% of capacity, a bad deal.

Take care coots, --   Cal


 


Just another Several EV battery thoughts

Electri-Cal
 

As an idea, IF a coot is motoring  ( or someone else ) uses say 10 to 15 amps to putt around, maybe higher in wind, tide, or extra coots aboard is there a battery problem ?  The battery sizes are defined # 24- 27 as popular ones for marine uses.  The area needed is wherever fits that size case securely.  I figure a sailboat needs an hour of run time minimum, not to exceed half comfortably, or 60% of battery capacity without excess harm. AS batteries age they don't hold a charge as well, so deduct for that.  From my uses I see a drop off in power gradually through long drain /run times. 

With an average 100 amp hour battery, that,s around 50 hrs available, tapers off and the Hummingbird depth finder automatically stops working at about 11.2 volts as a safety feature.  By guesstimate, thats 40 good amps to have at minimum draw, so with weather wave action losses, that 100 amps will be around 2 hours, except for one factor !!  When I Need to get back, time to go, getting cold, stiff, hungry, pottie break, park closes or daylight ends, nobody just putts in after the win dies.  I want back NOW, so I crank it up just when it's getting tired, that is when the trouble starts.  Just one more half mph, pleasssee !!

In my opinion, it's NOT the run time in the am, quiet sea, or marina that counts.  I want enough to get back with (double power use) some ( &@@! ") headwinds, full bladder, empty belly, and tired.  Those are  my thoughts on battery power, for what it's worth.  I am ONLY comfortable with a good marine series 27 deep cycle setup, that is also with a back up, in a power boat.   THe deepest power 27 size battery adds maybe 8 lbs. as a single battery in a sailboat, just put it down low and balanced as  needed. -------  Yes, surprise runs 4 batt. main 24 v. pack, plus back up 2 pack, but no sail gear to fuss with loading, stepping, etc., for my trailering it's worth it, as long as it's quiet as well.  I may add a sail, cause I own the gear, but my best power is electric, with the full setup needed for safety.

I will be at Fern Ridge, maybe I'll day trip it, thanks to the excessive costs, and management problems.  Glad I don't have to have a slip.  Just grab me if you'd like a putt around, sometimes I'm just not as aware of who is interested, ok ??    A lake like this is like a beautiful lady, who's Always sick !!  Too bad triangle is so shallow, I still think Dexter works easiest, and always full, that's except for the highway on one side.

A Nice Day - Go Get You Some !! ----  cal



   


Kens AF4B

 

Ken up on Bainbridge Island has been busy. Look great, Ken! :o) Looks like it'll be ready to hit the water before too long. He's pondering what to do for a slot cover now. He's starting with a hard lid. Any suggestions?

"I have made her a hard lid in the belief that I'll enjoy it very much in heavy rain, which I have to expect at some point if my cruise plans turn out to be realistic at all. We shall see. For first impressions though, the disadvantages of the hard lid are very apparent now that it's put together. In short, it's clumsy. It can't fit inside the cabin, you can't tend the anchor gear with it in place, and for sure, it will be hugely awkward swung out to one side or the other, but perhaps. . .we shall see. If I were to cut and hinge it so that it amounted to a fore-hatch and an infrequently moved cabin top it might work much better, and I do have some experience with making waterproof hinges for our teardrop camper. Access for anchor or tieup work forward would be easy, and if I wanted it out of the way, folded back on itself it would fit easily down into the cabin. Or of course, I could end up with a fabric top anyway. Watch this space for further details!"

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Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Josh
 

Any thoughts/ tips on adding a solar panel to the system? 


Re: Richardson and other reservations

 

I haven't launched Lazy Jack yet, so haven't noticed if they've replaced the bumper strips. They hadn't the last time I paid any attention to them earlier this year. I'd be real surprised if they did replace the bumpers. That's the sort of thing unskilled volunteers could do, but the County is scared of letting anybody but their own workers or licensed and bonded contractors do any work. <sigh>

On 4/11/2021 4:52 PM, Earl wrote:
Yo John,
I’ll be happy to let someone raft with me at my slip....was going down on the 15th in case Dan almost.. shows up. Have the launch docks been re bumpered?
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Re: Richardson and other reservations

 

Did Sarah say that you need to get a parking pass even if you rent a transient slip? I hope you're mistaken about that. An overnight parking pass used to come with a slip rental. There's a discount on the season pass if you're over 62, but that's just the dawn to dusk permit. I guess they raised the daily parking fee another dollar to $5 this year. <sigh>
Still, we're a LOT cheaper than some of the marinas Up North. At Port Townsend it's $15 just to launch your boat! (but they do let you pull it out without additional charge). <sigh> When my late friend Dunaway had his boat up there he said that the only things that they know how to say at the Port Office are, "No!" and "pay here"...

Sarah is a treasure! :o) Before she was recruited to take over the concession for Richardson, we not only had a hostile County Parks management, we also had a TERRIBLE park host. <sigh> For a short while there was enlightened management at the parks Dept. Triton YC held a meeting with the Parks management where Fern Ridge users nicely told them what they could do to make the parks on the lake more appealing to users. They listened! :o) One of the things they did was recruit Sarah, and she really turned Richardson Park around. Now there's a rumor that they want to squeeze her out after this year. <sigh>

On 4/11/2021 4:52 PM, elaine wrote:
I just spoke with Sara (supper nice lady) there are slips available and yes they cost I believe 32.00 or something for the weekend and she says there are some available. Parking permits are 5.00 each day and with a slip you can access it with your boat. Seasonal passes are 40.00. Give her a call, she's very understanding.
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Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Electri-Cal
 

A good size 27 is about right on a sail boat, with the next step up as two batteries of six volts each, one on each side.  Longer run time with twin 6 volts, for when the winds don't blow, or you want to motorsail back in.  The last lead acid batts. I got lately, have extra power, longer run time, at better cost to power, like 160 minutes at 25 amps - in 80 deg. temps.  They do that for $130.  My Minn Kotas use 15 amps each, smaller ones use less.  

Rough figures look to be about 100 amps before stop, so a lengthwise trip on Paulina lake with previous batteries.  Launched from the lodge, to camp, then back again to dock is about what I got on one trip with a lighter sail boat.  I would think most coot sail boats would be fine with that range.  Weather was calm on that trip, so evening winds mean you might need extra power to make it home, upwind still a problem.

I got stuck downwind on Dorena a few years back, had the Minn Kota at half throttle to help the sails get back to the dock.  Damn near didn't make that, keep power reserves for safety.  La Verne swamped the kayak and swam it back to shore, I could see her in the lake center, but no power to get out and back.  This at sundown !!  Enough to scare the poop out of us both !!

Later,  Cal 


Re: Richardson and other reservations

elaineginader
 

I just spoke with Sara (supper nice lady) there are slips available and yes they cost I believe 32.00 or something for the weekend and she says there are some available. Parking permits are 5.00 each day and with a slip you can access it with your boat. Seasonal passes are 40.00. Give her a call, she's very understanding.

Elaine

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 4:40 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
There's been another change in management at Lane County Parks, and they
seem to have fired everybody who knew anything. <sigh> To reserve a slip
at Richardson, call the _Richardson Park_ office:

541-935-2005

The County is desperate for money, so be careful to display your season
pass when parking at any on the parks. The way I've heard it explained
-- I know it makes no sense -- is that the County doesn't have a law
that lets them issue parking tickets, so They charge you with
trespassing and slap you with a $140-some-odd dollar fine if you violate
the parking rules. If you're a trailer sailer, be sure to get off the
lake and out of the parking lots by sundown. They decided not to sell
overnight season passes to anyone but slipholders. <sigh> I was also
warned that They started enforcing a rule against parking trailers in
the marina parking lots if they aren't attached to a vehicle. <sigh>

Please complain to Lane County Parks about these customer-unfriendly
changes. Fines aren't the right way to fund the parks. Whenever you
contact the County throw in a little praise for Sarah Ward and the
wonderful way she's run Richardson Park. She and her crew hate the
policy changes at least as much as we do.

On 4/11/2021 6:50 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
> Just tried to get this years prices on slips.  Apparently there are no
> slips available for the coots coming event, but I don't believe that.  I
> do believe the site is wrong, so Just have to show up and see what
> happens. 
 > ...

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Re: Richardson and other reservations

cherrill boissonou
 

Yo John,
I’ll be happy to let someone raft with me at my slip....was going down on the 15th in case Dan almost.. shows up. Have the launch docks been re bumpered?
Earl🧙‍♂️🌝⚓️

On Apr 11, 2021, at 4:40 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com> wrote:

There's been another change in management at Lane County Parks, and they seem to have fired everybody who knew anything. <sigh> To reserve a slip at Richardson, call the _Richardson Park_ office:

541-935-2005

The County is desperate for money, so be careful to display your season pass when parking at any on the parks. The way I've heard it explained -- I know it makes no sense -- is that the County doesn't have a law that lets them issue parking tickets, so They charge you with trespassing and slap you with a $140-some-odd dollar fine if you violate the parking rules. If you're a trailer sailer, be sure to get off the lake and out of the parking lots by sundown. They decided not to sell overnight season passes to anyone but slipholders. <sigh> I was also warned that They started enforcing a rule against parking trailers in the marina parking lots if they aren't attached to a vehicle. <sigh>

Please complain to Lane County Parks about these customer-unfriendly changes. Fines aren't the right way to fund the parks. Whenever you contact the County throw in a little praise for Sarah Ward and the wonderful way she's run Richardson Park. She and her crew hate the policy changes at least as much as we do.

On 4/11/2021 6:50 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Just tried to get this years prices on slips. Apparently there are no slips available for the coots coming event, but I don't believe that. I do believe the site is wrong, so Just have to show up and see what happens.
...
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Re: Richardson and other reservations

 

There's been another change in management at Lane County Parks, and they seem to have fired everybody who knew anything. <sigh> To reserve a slip at Richardson, call the _Richardson Park_ office:

541-935-2005

The County is desperate for money, so be careful to display your season pass when parking at any on the parks. The way I've heard it explained -- I know it makes no sense -- is that the County doesn't have a law that lets them issue parking tickets, so They charge you with trespassing and slap you with a $140-some-odd dollar fine if you violate the parking rules. If you're a trailer sailer, be sure to get off the lake and out of the parking lots by sundown. They decided not to sell overnight season passes to anyone but slipholders. <sigh> I was also warned that They started enforcing a rule against parking trailers in the marina parking lots if they aren't attached to a vehicle. <sigh>

Please complain to Lane County Parks about these customer-unfriendly changes. Fines aren't the right way to fund the parks. Whenever you contact the County throw in a little praise for Sarah Ward and the wonderful way she's run Richardson Park. She and her crew hate the policy changes at least as much as we do.

On 4/11/2021 6:50 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Just tried to get this years prices on slips.  Apparently there are no slips available for the coots coming event, but I don't believe that.  I do believe the site is wrong, so Just have to show up and see what happens. ...
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Richardson and other reservations

Electri-Cal
 

Just tried to get this years prices on slips.  Apparently there are no slips available for the coots coming event, but I don't believe that.  I do believe the site is wrong, so Just have to show up and see what happens.  Still looking at that mast, and 2 sails from other projects, maybe yet this week I could figure a decent down wind rig just for the heck of it.  I was impressed with the kayak flying a round sail at Dexter a while ago, I ought to be able to come up with something.

I could try using that "slip on" sabot dinghy sail I have.  Fast is not important, just a battery saver, and seeing if my somewhat slow steering with Surprises normally fully submerged chine would work instead of a leaboard,  Maybe make an added shallow drop board to help turning speed, or slide it to balance the helm.   If it doesn't work easy, I'm still not out anything, just curious.  


Re: Fern Ridge VIP Visit (was: Pelicans)

 

"I need a tug, I'm on fire? 9", or is it "I need a tug, I'm on fire, 9?"? See Scouts was too, too long ago... There's gotta be more to it than that. What does that flag combination mean? probably something unprintable, because Google was no help. <g>

On 4/9/2021 7:53 AM, Dan in Almostcanada wrote:
Flags? You mean like that ever-popular, "ZULU, JULIET, INTERROGATIVE,
NINE"? One of my favorites...since gone out of the International Book of
Signals, to our general loss. deep sigh. dan.
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Floating tents

Case Turner
 

Ole Wik a ranger working in Glacier Bay National park lived on this back in the 70’s.



Who remembers the guy that showed up with his floating tent at Paulina one year?





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Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

 

The CG reg only applies to permanent installations. You don't need to worry about that with a clamp-on trolling motor. The CG doesn't mess with little boats like ours for things like that anyway, and you'll never see them on Fern Ridge. <g> By "voltmeter" I meant a cheap Harbor Freight digital multimeter, like this one:

https://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-63759.html

That group 24 battery you got is about as small as I'd want to go. There may come a time when you have to motor quite a ways, especially if the wind dies and you have to get back to the ramp by sundown. <harrumph>

On 4/9/2021 10:22 AM, Josh wrote:
Batteries Plus Bulbs tried to get me to go with a battery about 1/2 as many a/h but I wanted enough to have some play room beyond my expected use.
What you said about charging promptly is something I also saw on Minn Kota's website. I'll have to check out the voltmeters you mentioned and I noticed C.G. regs say we have to have a fuse in line.
Be glad to let you take Good Girl out for trials on the power usage like you mentioned.
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Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

Josh
 

Batteries Plus Bulbs tried to get me to go with a battery about 1/2 as many a/h but I wanted enough to have some play room beyond my expected use.
What you said about charging promptly is something I also saw on Minn Kota's website. I'll have to check out the voltmeters you mentioned and I noticed C.G. regs say we have to have a fuse in line.
Be glad to let you take Good Girl out for trials on the power usage like you mentioned. 


Re: Fern Ridge VIP Visit (was: Pelicans)

Dan
 

Flags? You mean like that ever-popular, "ZULU, JULIET, INTERROGATIVE,
NINE"? One of my favorites...since gone out of the International Book of
Signals, to our general loss. deep sigh. dan.


Re: Good Girl Gets a Motor (was: Correcting my EARLIER Instrument Notes on EV Power)

 

That's a good setup. You'd have to spend a lot more money to get a trolling motor with electronic speed control, and 30 lb. thrust should move Good Girl just fine. The runtime graphic is necessarily just a rough guide, but it does take into account Mr. Peukert. That motor should draw about 30 amps at full "throttle". It'd be nice to do some tests with an ammeter to see what it draws under typical conditions pushing Good Girl at the different speed settings. I did such a test with a 30 lb. Minn Kota on Pickle years ago but, alas, the results got lost in a computer upgrade since then. One of these days I'm gonna rig up a portable ammeter for doing trials like that, so maybe I can go out in Good Girl sometime for some test runs.

Get a digital voltmeter (cheap from harbor Freight will do) and keep an eye on the battery voltage now and then as you go along. I charged Tuffy's flooded cell batteries if they got down to 12 volts under light load -- my usual pace getting back to the dock after a sail -- which I figured was close enough to 50% discharge. The only really accurate way to to tell the state of charge by voltage is to let the battery rest for several hours before testing. Not very practical for us! <g> Here's some basic info about the Peukert effect and what I think is a practical voltage/state of charge chart, because it agrees with what I've been doing. <g>:

https://groups.io/g/oregoncoots/files/Motors/BatteryBasix.png

Don't sweat it if you have to go a little below 12 volts to get back to the dock, but recharge the battery right away, and promise to try to treat the battery better in the future. <g>

"Smart" battery chargers are getting cheaper and more common. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that they're the most common kind above the cheapest ones nowadays.

On 4/8/2021 10:32 AM, Josh wrote:
It's a Minn Kota 30lb thrust and the battery is a Duracell deep cycle 80a/h. I saw what I think you were describing with the Peukert effect when I was looking at runtime and how drastically it reduced as the draw increased. Reminds me of the energy to go from displacement to planning.
Think the charger I have is a smart charger but will be checking.
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Re: Fern Ridge Water Level

 

Those of us who use Navionics can get an idea of how much smaller the usable lake is when the water is low. Go to the Menu, then Map Options, and adjust the water level to -5 ft. Today the level is actually about -4.5 ft. I've attached a couple of screenshots of the whole lake. I set the light blue shading at 6 ft. and the "shallow area" with the dots at 3 ft., which seems useful for our small boats. Be aware that the bathymetric data in Navionics is only an approximation.

I look forward to seeing you on the 15th or 16th, Dan! :o)

On 4/8/2021 8:19 AM, Dan in Almostcanada wrote:
Tally hooooo...I expect to get underway at about 17-1800 on Wednesday,
after my normal day of chaos, and hopefully reach the muddy shores of the
Land of the Fern Ridgeons by the following evening (Thursday.) HOPING FOR
NOTHING BETTER THAN EARL'S LOVELY SMILE, Bob's erudite elucidations,
Dennis's laconic grin, John's well-referenced comments, Elaine's delighted
countenance (would that be forebearance)?, ...some water to float in will
be a nice addition!!! Dan.
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