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Cedar oar work

dan mulholland
 



Some pictures of progress- this one is of the blanks, cut from one 2X4, the diagonal cut done with this wonderful saw.



Below, the oars are sanded and shaped using this classic plane, probably the first time it's been used in 50-60 years, blade still sharp.



After planing ,sanding, and cutting in the handles.   In this picture, the insect damage can be seen, this will be filled in with epoxy thickened with wood flour.



Here's where they are now, with the blade slot cut and blade inserted. 



Next, will work to make the handles smaller- they're great for me, but not for smaller hands.  And, stare at them a bit- debate whether to make the oars thinner.  Then, need to color match the epoxy and fill the holes, and epoxy in the blades.  And glass them in the oarlock area, too. Oars are lightweight, as desired.

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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

 

The logical progression leads to the really fast sailing vessels/vehicles having a single sail, like iceboats and speed record boats:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/fej94x9w

or

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2017/06/09/paul-larsen-sailing-speed-record-vestas-sailrocket-americas-cup-mainsail-orig.cnn

On 2/11/2021 10:07 AM, Jove wrote:
Thanks Rich, interesting stuff.
It seems from my experience and what I've read you can often point higher with a smaller jib. There is probably a wind speed or boat speed above which the big genoa is giving more windage than speed.
You'll notice that a lot of race boats have smaller gibs that don't go full height, The new AC36 foil boats have a half height gib, and look like a fractional, even though they have the head stay running to the mast head.
Of course they are a totally different kettle of fish, with double surface wing sails etc,  but the principles apply I think.
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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

 

Brandon's description of how his heavy weather staysail is rigged makes me think that my ideas for jib handling on Tuffy aren't completely crazy. Although I'll never be taking her to sea, it's common to have light winds on Fern Ridge early in the day, strong winds in the afternoon, and light winds again in the evening, so being able to easily switch between big and little jibs would be useful.

Brandon taught some of us Coots how to make those soft shackles:

https://flic.kr/s/aHskedS5ar

On 2/11/2021 1:53 PM, Jove wrote:
Thanks Brandon. good advice for the sound.
Those soft shackles look pretty good.
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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Thanks Brandon. good advice for the sound.
Those soft shackles look pretty good.
-Jove

On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 12:19 PM Brandon via groups.io <brandonfordus=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Jove,

It depends on how and where you are going to use the boat, whether a Solent stay makes sense. I haven't seen any on boats in Puget Sound. That probably because when the sun is out and people feel like going out in a boat there is almost never wind. The chances of getting "caught out in a blow" in the Sound are slim to none. If you have longer range asperations (like sailing to England and in the Solent) then it might make sense. I'd spend my money on an asymmetrical or cruising spinnaker.

Oceanus is rigged as a sloop but has provision for a staysail with a wire luff that is shackled to a deck fitting and then hoisted by a wire halyard to hounds that are four or five feet above the spreaders. I've got a storm staysail that I like a lot and a light-air "reaching" staysail that can go under a spinnaker or fly on the opposite side of the genny. We had really light winds from astern for three days on our crossing to Hawaii. The main was banging around, so I dropped it and we sailed with a polled out genny to starboard and the reaching staysail on the other side. Worked great even with the Hydrovane steering. And it was quiet enough that we could sleep.

Brandon
Olympia and Longview, Wash.



Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Brandon
 

Jove,

It depends on how and where you are going to use the boat, whether a Solent stay makes sense. I haven't seen any on boats in Puget Sound. That probably because when the sun is out and people feel like going out in a boat there is almost never wind. The chances of getting "caught out in a blow" in the Sound are slim to none. If you have longer range asperations (like sailing to England and in the Solent) then it might make sense. I'd spend my money on an asymmetrical or cruising spinnaker.

Oceanus is rigged as a sloop but has provision for a staysail with a wire luff that is shackled to a deck fitting and then hoisted by a wire halyard to hounds that are four or five feet above the spreaders. I've got a storm staysail that I like a lot and a light-air "reaching" staysail that can go under a spinnaker or fly on the opposite side of the genny. We had really light winds from astern for three days on our crossing to Hawaii. The main was banging around, so I dropped it and we sailed with a polled out genny to starboard and the reaching staysail on the other side. Worked great even with the Hydrovane steering. And it was quiet enough that we could sleep.

Brandon
Olympia and Longview, Wash.



Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Thanks Rich, interesting stuff.
It seems from my experience and what I've read you can often point higher with a smaller jib. There is probably a wind speed or boat speed above which the big genoa is giving more windage than speed.
You'll notice that a lot of race boats have smaller gibs that don't go full height, The new AC36 foil boats have a half height gib, and look like a fractional, even though they have the head stay running to the mast head.
Of course they are a totally different kettle of fish, with double surface wing sails etc,  but the principles apply I think.

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On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 9:27 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I'm glad the trip to Olympia went well, Jove. I too am eager to read
your report on the adventure.

I've heard of something like that, but the term "Solent stay" didn't
ring a bell. But I don't recall what else they might have been called...
Seems like a good idea for a cruiser with a roller furling jib. You'll
have to unfasten it when using the Genoa

I've been toying with the idea of something like that for Tuffy, so I
can use different jibs without having to climb out on that tiny
foredeck. One of my ideas is to use high-tech low-stretch line for the
jib halyard, and the same line for a tack downhaul leading back to near
the cockpit. The jibs would have wire of low-stretch line in their
luffs. I've got a cute little bronze winch that could set the halyard,
or downhaul, up tight enough so the whole works takes the strain off the
headstay, acting as an "acting" headstay and, hopefully, keeping the jib
luff tight enough. To change jibs, I'd slack the downhaul and halyard,
pull the sail back to the cockpit, and swap sails. When I go get Tuffy's
mainsail back from Kendall I should ask him of I'm crazy. <g>

But this year I'll just try to be happy with the little jib, and the
newly loose-footed mainsail. :o)

On 2/10/2021 3:18 PM, Jove wrote:
> Hey John,
> A solent stay is a stay about 6-13 inches inside your head stay, It's
> usually removable and can be disconnected from the deck ant stowed
> against the mast, Allows you to put a storm jip or working jib on a
> sloop without removing the Genoa from the furler. some of the benefits
> of the sail handling advantages of a cutter without adding running back
> stays.
> It may have other names.
> Just an idea I'll play with as I get to know the boat.
>
> The trip from Everett to Olympia went well, I'll write an update on the
> other thread later.
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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Richard Green
 

Glad the trip went well, will there be a book in the offing?  Short but sweet?  

When I sailed Passage in the higher winds of the Astoria reach I had a taste too much weather helm shortening sails notwithstanding so when I pulled the boat to redo the ridiculously small vee berth I redesigned the bow extending it on a teak layered sprit 12” which proved to be just right for my sails and hull.  To shorten this too long story, I added a baby stay from the spreaders/sidestays area to a new fitting I had cast in bronze (when it was a local event) and mounted to the reinforced area spanning the anchor locker bulkhead.  While I left if up all the time, the only interference was when I was tacking the genny and it would sort of slide through the approximate three foot gap.  I had the baby stays’l, about 55 sq ft, on all the time as occasionally winds in the fifty mph range would spring up out of Young’s Bay and with no engine ever I had to be prepared.  In the photo sailing, the wind is 35 mph as measured on the boat taking the photo.  This was behind Tongue Point exiting the bay so no fetch for waves to speak of.  Boat balance beautifully with double reef main and stays’l.  In the odd fifty mph, I sailed stays’l only and was a happy camper.  

Rich



On Feb 10, 2021, at 3:18 PM, Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...> wrote:

Hey John,
A solent stay is a stay about 6-13 inches inside your head stay, It's usually removable and can be disconnected from the deck ant stowed against the mast, Allows you to put a storm jip or working jib on a sloop without removing the Genoa from the furler. some of the benefits of the sail handling advantages of a cutter without adding running back stays.
It may have other names.
Just an idea I'll play with as I get to know the boat.

The trip from Everett to Olympia went well, I'll write an update on the other thread later.
-Jove

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:03 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Here's an entertaining way to get a Big Picture of what the wind is doing:

https://earth.nullschool.net/

Solent stay?

On 1/30/2021 6:23 PM, Jove wrote:
> Yes, I am becoming quite familiar with this predicament. Northerly winds
> in the summer, Southerly in the winter, but winter winds are cold and
> the weather is often stormy.
> I went around the whole trailerable/non-trailerable boat thing for a
> while, and at this point I want to try out the bigger boat stuff for a
> chapter.
> Hawaii sounds ok.
> We'll see how it goes.
> I'm also realizing that the daily sea winds in the strait of Juan de
> fuca can be a pretty good challenge. "wind river" was mentioned on this
> mailing list recently.
> Beating to windward is where I'll really need a smaller tighter
> headsail, and that idea of a solent stay will probably be the answer to
> that.

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Solent Stay (was: Jove got a bigger boat.)

 

I forgot to mention that Tuffy came with an uninstalled roller furler. Kendall says it could be used as a roller reefer, but I don't like what that would do to the sail shape. A big Genny on the furler and a "Solent stay" for smaller jibs might be an option...

On 2/10/2021 9:27 PM, I wrote:
...
I've been toying with the idea of something like that for Tuffy, so I can use different jibs without having to climb out on that tiny foredeck. One of my ideas is to use high-tech low-stretch line for the jib halyard, and the same line for a tack downhaul leading back to near the cockpit. The jibs would have wire of low-stretch line in their luffs. I've got a cute little bronze winch that could set the halyard, or downhaul, up tight enough so the whole works takes the strain off the headstay, acting as an "acting" headstay and, hopefully, keeping the jib luff tight enough. To change jibs, I'd slack the downhaul and halyard, pull the sail back to the cockpit, and swap sails. When I go get Tuffy's mainsail back from Kendall I should ask him of I'm crazy. <g>
But this year I'll just try to be happy with the little jib, and the newly loose-footed mainsail. :o)
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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

 

I'm glad the trip to Olympia went well, Jove. I too am eager to read your report on the adventure.

I've heard of something like that, but the term "Solent stay" didn't ring a bell. But I don't recall what else they might have been called... Seems like a good idea for a cruiser with a roller furling jib. You'll have to unfasten it when using the Genoa

I've been toying with the idea of something like that for Tuffy, so I can use different jibs without having to climb out on that tiny foredeck. One of my ideas is to use high-tech low-stretch line for the jib halyard, and the same line for a tack downhaul leading back to near the cockpit. The jibs would have wire of low-stretch line in their luffs. I've got a cute little bronze winch that could set the halyard, or downhaul, up tight enough so the whole works takes the strain off the headstay, acting as an "acting" headstay and, hopefully, keeping the jib luff tight enough. To change jibs, I'd slack the downhaul and halyard, pull the sail back to the cockpit, and swap sails. When I go get Tuffy's mainsail back from Kendall I should ask him of I'm crazy. <g>

But this year I'll just try to be happy with the little jib, and the newly loose-footed mainsail. :o)

On 2/10/2021 3:18 PM, Jove wrote:
Hey John,
A solent stay is a stay about 6-13 inches inside your head stay, It's usually removable and can be disconnected from the deck ant stowed against the mast, Allows you to put a storm jip or working jib on a sloop without removing the Genoa from the furler. some of the benefits of the sail handling advantages of a cutter without adding running back stays.
It may have other names.
Just an idea I'll play with as I get to know the boat.
The trip from Everett to Olympia went well, I'll write an update on the other thread later.
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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Andrew Linn
 

I was just about to ask if anyone heard from you after your trip.  Looking forward to your write up. 

On Feb 10, 2021 3:18 PM, Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@...> wrote:
Hey John,
A solent stay is a stay about 6-13 inches inside your head stay, It's usually removable and can be disconnected from the deck ant stowed against the mast, Allows you to put a storm jip or working jib on a sloop without removing the Genoa from the furler. some of the benefits of the sail handling advantages of a cutter without adding running back stays.
It may have other names.
Just an idea I'll play with as I get to know the boat.

The trip from Everett to Olympia went well, I'll write an update on the other thread later.
-Jove

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:03 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Here's an entertaining way to get a Big Picture of what the wind is doing:

https://earth.nullschool.net/

Solent stay?

On 1/30/2021 6:23 PM, Jove wrote:
> Yes, I am becoming quite familiar with this predicament. Northerly winds
> in the summer, Southerly in the winter, but winter winds are cold and
> the weather is often stormy.
> I went around the whole trailerable/non-trailerable boat thing for a
> while, and at this point I want to try out the bigger boat stuff for a
> chapter.
> Hawaii sounds ok.
> We'll see how it goes.
> I'm also realizing that the daily sea winds in the strait of Juan de
> fuca can be a pretty good challenge. "wind river" was mentioned on this
> mailing list recently.
> Beating to windward is where I'll really need a smaller tighter
> headsail, and that idea of a solent stay will probably be the answer to
> that.

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Re: Jove got a bigger boat.

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Hey John,
A solent stay is a stay about 6-13 inches inside your head stay, It's usually removable and can be disconnected from the deck ant stowed against the mast, Allows you to put a storm jip or working jib on a sloop without removing the Genoa from the furler. some of the benefits of the sail handling advantages of a cutter without adding running back stays.
It may have other names.
Just an idea I'll play with as I get to know the boat.

The trip from Everett to Olympia went well, I'll write an update on the other thread later.
-Jove

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 2:03 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Here's an entertaining way to get a Big Picture of what the wind is doing:

https://earth.nullschool.net/

Solent stay?

On 1/30/2021 6:23 PM, Jove wrote:
> Yes, I am becoming quite familiar with this predicament. Northerly winds
> in the summer, Southerly in the winter, but winter winds are cold and
> the weather is often stormy.
> I went around the whole trailerable/non-trailerable boat thing for a
> while, and at this point I want to try out the bigger boat stuff for a
> chapter.
> Hawaii sounds ok.
> We'll see how it goes.
> I'm also realizing that the daily sea winds in the strait of Juan de
> fuca can be a pretty good challenge. "wind river" was mentioned on this
> mailing list recently.
> Beating to windward is where I'll really need a smaller tighter
> headsail, and that idea of a solent stay will probably be the answer to
> that.

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Re: Worldwide Classic Boat Show -- We're Invited

Jamie Orr
 

No, Wayward Lass has never been in the show, I just sailed her over for transport - cheaper than the ferry and more fun!

I got the same pic you did, you may just have been lucky, being visible from the shore.


Re: Worldwide Classic Boat Show -- We're Invited

 

Did they put Wayward Lass in the sample boat show page they sent you? <g> Smart marketing...

On 2/6/2021 9:05 PM, Jamie wrote:
Yeah, got one for the Montague Harbour rendezvous too.
I guess that's at least two tickets they'll sell, John!
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Re: Fern Ridge Dam Closing Ceremony, Saturday, the 6th

elaineginader
 

I'm glad the day went well and hopefully the gods will be pleased. I did my dance to them while on Belle. Found some small tasks that needs to be addressed when it gets warmer and dry for a bit. I had water to do my gift to the gods. I hope they don't mind. I'm also going to be taking measurements for a couple canvas projects. Maybe I'll show the group my progress on making a few things as Almostcanada Dan does.
By the way my cars fixed with a lot of help from my husband Gary. Sure makes getting around easier.

Take care and be safe, Elaine


On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 3:57 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Too bad you couldn't make it, Elaine. We had a good turnout, Fern Ridge
sailors and a few Coots. The ceremony went well enough, I think.
Somebody who had a slip at Orchard Point last year opened the gate so we
could get down on the docks and spread out. I sacrificed some Dos Equis*
to some rain gods, and people poured water into the lake to prime it.
Then we had a good BS session. :o) pardon the poor pictures -- people
were spread out.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmU8LHS7

I sure hope the ceremony worked. It'll sure feel good to have a nice
long sailing season on the lake.

*The Dos Equis had been sitting at the back of my refrigerator for a
couple of _decades_, at least. The aging did it good; it was delicious!
:o) Does require some patience, though. <g>

On 2/5/2021 7:10 PM, elaine wrote:
> Can't make it my car is dead. Suspect I need new spark plugs (sigh).
> I'll dance and wear a crazy hat while I empty Bells bilge  ha ha.
>

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Re: Worldwide Classic Boat Show -- We're Invited

Jamie Orr
 

Yeah, got one for the Montague Harbour rendezvous too.

I guess that's at least two tickets they'll sell, John!

Jamie


Re: Victory

 

They named a building at the North Bend air station for Tom McAdams. They should name a lifeboat station, or maybe the Cape D coxswain school, after him:

https://coastguard.dodlive.mil/2012/07/the-champion-lifesaver-of-the-pacific-coast/

The last time he mentioned it, Toledo Joe said the book should be ready for publication this summer. I'm sure it'll be an entertaining book, but the way Tom McAdams tells a story in person probably won't translate well to the written page. He's stopped by the campfire at the Toledo Wooden Boat Show a few times, and we really enjoy his story telling. He can pull you into a story until you're on the edge of your seat, and then spring the punch line. :o) A master of the craft. Here's a bit of "oral history":

https://www.44mlb.com/crew-talk/tom-mc-adams-interview-page-1.html

On 2/6/2021 9:07 AM, Brandon F wrote:
I'll buy that book about Tom. He moored his boat a few slips down from Oceanus when we were rebuilding her in Newport. He is a great guy. He helped a lot with figuring things out. He offered to swing my compass, but I didn't take him up on it. I regret not taking him up on it. It would be something to tell my grandkids about. He is a great story teller and his stories have the added benefit of being true. Virginia and I ate a lot of black rockfish and ling that Tom caught. He loved fishing, but his wife would not cook what he caught. We were often the bene-fish-iaries. He has a CG airstation named after him. Right John?
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Re: Fern Ridge Dam Closing Ceremony, Saturday, the 6th

 

Too bad you couldn't make it, Elaine. We had a good turnout, Fern Ridge sailors and a few Coots. The ceremony went well enough, I think. Somebody who had a slip at Orchard Point last year opened the gate so we could get down on the docks and spread out. I sacrificed some Dos Equis* to some rain gods, and people poured water into the lake to prime it. Then we had a good BS session. :o) pardon the poor pictures -- people were spread out.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmU8LHS7

I sure hope the ceremony worked. It'll sure feel good to have a nice long sailing season on the lake.

*The Dos Equis had been sitting at the back of my refrigerator for a couple of _decades_, at least. The aging did it good; it was delicious! :o) Does require some patience, though. <g>

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Can't make it my car is dead. Suspect I need new spark plugs (sigh). I'll dance and wear a crazy hat while I empty Bells bilge  ha ha.
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Worldwide Classic Boat Show -- We're Invited

 

Got an interesting email yesterday. Might be worth participating. I'll know more next week. But they sure know how to get my attention. Look who's right in front on their sample page! :o) (see attachment)

"I wanted to let you know that we'll be featuring Oregon Coots at the Worldwide Classic Boat Show - online from February 19th-28th.

"We have created an entire page for Oregon Coots, using the information we could find online, and we expect thousands of people will see it over the course of the Show.

"There is no fee for being featured at the show - we're simply trying to utilize our extensive global reach here at Off Center Harbor to provide a boost to the field of classic & wooden boats while so many organizations are struggling during the pandemic. Tickets to the show are just $5."

https://www.offcenterharbor.com/2020/09/18/worldwide-classic-boat-show-announcement/

"Thanks,
Ben, Maynard, Bill, Eric, and Steve
Co-founders, Off Center Harbor and the Worldwide Classic Boat Show"

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Re: Victory

Brandon
 

I'll buy that book about Tom. He moored his boat a few slips down from Oceanus when we were rebuilding her in Newport. He is a great guy. He helped a lot with figuring things out. He offered to swing my compass, but I didn't take him up on it. I regret not taking him up on it. It would be something to tell my grandkids about. He is a great story teller and his stories have the added benefit of being true. Virginia and I ate a lot of black rockfish and ling that Tom caught. He loved fishing, but his wife would not cook what he caught. We were often the bene-fish-iaries. He has a CG airstation named after him. Right John?

Brandon


Re: Fern Ridge Dam Closing Ceremony, Saturday, the 6th

elaineginader
 

Can't make it my car is dead. Suspect I need new spark plugs (sigh). I'll dance and wear a crazy hat while I empty Bells bilge  ha ha.


On Fri, Feb 5, 2021, 1:53 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
The Corps didn't put the plug all the way in on the first, but they've
kept the outflow low, and it looks like they _might_ let us have a bit
of a head start on filling the lake:

https://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/nwp/teacup/willamette/frn.pdf

But what we need most is plenty of rain from now through spring. So
please join us on the docks at Orchard Point tomorrow at 1:00 to appease
the rain gods and make them want to fill the lake for us.

Bring lunch and sacrifices to the gods, Libations will do. Silly hats
can only help our cause.


On 2/1/2021 1:05 PM, I wrote:
> The Corps of Engineers is supposed to put the plug back in at Fern Ridge
> today. Their reservoir Web pages are down, so I can't check on them...
> <sigh> I suppose I could drive by and look. <g>
>
> http://www.nwd-wc.usace.army.mil/nwp/teacup/willamette/frn.pdf
>
> To ensure that we get enough rain this late winter and spring to fill
> Fern Ridge let's meet at Orchard Point Park (ignore the Coot Calendar --
> parking is easier at Orchard Point) at 1:00 Saturday to offer sacrifices
> to the rain gods and dance naked, or in weather appropriate clothing, on
> the docks at the launch ramp. Be prepared for social distancing and mask
> wearing. Bring lunch and something to sacrifice to the gods. In the
> past, people have brought samples of water from adventures on far
> waters, but I think the gods will be happy with libations.
>
> We didn't have a dam closing ceremony last year and look what happened!!
>

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