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Re: Not Boat Related

Richard Green
 

Thanks for showing that, Andrew.

Rich

On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Andrew Linn <alinn@andrewlinn.com> wrote:

I went for a drive today. Up to Detroit to see what the fires did back in September
http://andrewlinn.com/2020/201115_burn/index.htm





Re: Not Boat Related

 

Thanks, Andy. I've been afraid to go up the McKenzie to see what it's like up there. So much that I knew will be gone. <sigh>

The "completed" signs may be saying that the property has been checked for hazardous materials and cleared. Up the McKenzie property owners are being encouraged (with the threat of the law?) from doing too much cleanup before their properties have been cleared of hazardous waste. The County will send in a team to do it for free.

On 11/15/2020 8:28 PM, Andrew wrote:
I went for a drive today. Up to Detroit to see what the fires did back in September
http://andrewlinn.com/2020/201115_burn/index.htm
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Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

 

Bert's junk shop, next to the Embers nightclub on Hwy 99N in Eugene, is going out of business, and he's got a bunch of used garden tractors. When he wasn't going out of business he often thought his merchandise was more valuable than it deserved, but there are probably some deals now.

https://goo.gl/maps/vPqwSzhDxDJ3pofC6

Be prepared to put a trailer ball on the bow of the tractor. Otherwise your weight on the seat and the weight of the trailer tongue will lead to wheelies.

On 11/15/2020 8:01 AM, Dan in Almostcanada wrote:
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Or, get yourself a tractor...Dan
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Not Boat Related

Andrew Linn
 

I went for a drive today. Up to Detroit to see what the fires did back in September
http://andrewlinn.com/2020/201115_burn/index.htm


Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

 

Single- width driveway? If it's double-width you can probably manage to back the trailer in, with practice. I got a _lot_ better at trailer backing after I got some neighbors who park a line of dead cars along the street across from my driveway. ;o) My street is probably about 24' wide (residential street with room for three cars abreast -- two parked and one driving down the middle), then subtract the width of the cars, and Lazy Jack on her trailer is about 21', so similar mathematics to your situation. Same length pickup. Aiming for a 10' wide shelter opening about 8' in from the street. My driveway cutout is only single-width, but the driveway is double-width. I just back over the curb on that side. Somebody's suggestion to try a front-mounted hitch would make moving the trailer around much easier, and probably even make getting it in and out of the driveway doable with a single-width driveway.

I think using a winch or capstan would be a hassle if you're gonna keep the boat at home. OK if you're only bringing it home for the winter.

A fellow I know offered to GIVE me a fancy electric powered trailer dolly because it didn't have the power to get his 15' catboat up a slight slope in his driveway, so be careful if you shop for one. I'd love to have something like that for shuffling my trailers around, but his review made me leery of them for use on anything but flat, paved surfaces, of which I have few. I didn't take him up.

Good luck.

On 11/14/2020 5:43 PM, Mark N wrote:
Hi group,
My Tolman skiff on the trailer is 25 feet long and the street in front of my house is 24 feet wide, so no way can I back the trailer up my driveway.
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Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

Roger Padvorac
 

Mark,
You might take a look at this page:
https://www.grainger.com/category/material-handling/lifting-pulling-positioning
The winches subcategory has a wide range of electric, air, hydraulic, and hand cranked winches.

Even if I don't buy what I'm looking for here, Grainger is usually pretty good in helping me learn the range of available choices, and which kinds of choices are remotely within my budget.

I stopped looking at harbor freight because they are usually such a poor long-term investment. I've been using some of my power tools for about 40 years (its hard to be certain at this point) and my experience with harbor freight is they don't sell tools that will work well for decades. Worse yet they sell sets and kits, but not the individual pieces when they need to be replaced.

I would get a winch because it has more control than a capstan. You can stop the winch,and everything will stay in its current place while you leave the winch to go do something. You could tie off the rope going around the capstan, but that isn't nearly as quick, easy, or reliable as just turning the winch off when suddenly things don't go as expected.

Some winches have a reverse, some have a brake to control the cable as it unwinds, and some have neither.

In a setup like yours, I'd like to have a reverse or brake.

Sincerely,
Roger


Quoting Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@gmail.com>:

Hi group,

My Tolman skiff on the trailer is 25 feet long and the street in front of
my house is 24 feet wide, so no way can I back the trailer up my driveway.

So, anyone got a suggestion for a 110 volt winch that I can anchor into the
driveway? Or even attach it to the trailer so I can turn it on and off as I
steer the trailer up using a tri-pod of casters under the tongue. I've got
a harbor freight 12 volt winch, but it supposedly can only be used for 15
seconds at a time with too much time in between to cool off.

The boat/trailer combo weighed 2700 pounds empty when picked up in April
and my driveway rises maybe four feet over a fifty foot run.

I've considered capstans and rope, and attached is a screen capture from a
video of a homemade one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXK4LZJRDjE

If you've got one of those right angle gears you want to sell cheap, or
know of a place to get one, that would be great.

Thanks,
Mark



Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

Dan
 

Mark. It's a bit slow, but quite powerful--and I seem to have to move
recalcitrant trailers alluhtime--but, i often use HF chainfalls to pull
things around. I often have to lift boats from one trailer to
another--weighing upwards of a ton or two. i even use them to help in
felling trees. If you can rig an adequate tongue carrier, then the trailer
can be pulled headfirst up your driveway from a 90-degree pivot. If that
pivot is far enough back to allow the swing, of course. This also assumes
that gravity will help in the egress. The reverse pivot would only require
a set of wheel chocks to do the swinging. Or, get yourself a tractor...Dan


Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

David Luckhardt
 

I have a very similar problem with my Caledonia Yawl with a driveway a bit steeper but boat much lighter.  Tried that same HF winch with a 110->12v adapter and it takes SEVERAL LIFETIMES to winch it that far  -- far too much hassle.

 

Consider these options:

1.  An electric trailer dolly.  These come up on Craigslist fairly often in the $500-800 range, and the ones with the 110 extension cord might be able to handle that much weight and angle.  Test carefully as you'll get hurt if it can't hold on the driveway surface!

2.  Front tow hitch.  This might give you the ability to put it in the right spot to switch back to the rear hitch, depending on a lot of factors.


Re: winch or capstan suggestion?

Case Turner
 

Of mounted to your trailer why no use a 12volt winch and battery on the trailer? 

Any WARN or knock off winch rated for that weight would work.

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On Nov 14, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Mark Neuhaus <moonlitturtle1934@...> wrote:


Hi group,

My Tolman skiff on the trailer is 25 feet long and the street in front of my house is 24 feet wide, so no way can I back the trailer up my driveway.

So, anyone got a suggestion for a 110 volt winch that I can anchor into the driveway? Or even attach it to the trailer so I can turn it on and off as I steer the trailer up using a tri-pod of casters under the tongue.  I've got a harbor freight 12 volt winch, but it supposedly can only be used for 15 seconds at a time with too much time in between to cool off.

The boat/trailer combo weighed 2700 pounds empty when picked up in April and my driveway rises maybe four feet over a fifty foot run.

I've considered capstans and rope, and attached is a screen capture from a  video of a homemade one:        
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXK4LZJRDjE

If you've got one of those right angle gears you want to sell cheap, or know of a place to get one, that would be great.

Thanks,
Mark

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winch or capstan suggestion?

Mark Neuhaus
 

Hi group,

My Tolman skiff on the trailer is 25 feet long and the street in front of my house is 24 feet wide, so no way can I back the trailer up my driveway.

So, anyone got a suggestion for a 110 volt winch that I can anchor into the driveway? Or even attach it to the trailer so I can turn it on and off as I steer the trailer up using a tri-pod of casters under the tongue.  I've got a harbor freight 12 volt winch, but it supposedly can only be used for 15 seconds at a time with too much time in between to cool off.

The boat/trailer combo weighed 2700 pounds empty when picked up in April and my driveway rises maybe four feet over a fifty foot run.

I've considered capstans and rope, and attached is a screen capture from a  video of a homemade one:        
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXK4LZJRDjE

If you've got one of those right angle gears you want to sell cheap, or know of a place to get one, that would be great.

Thanks,
Mark


Re: After Thanksgiving paddle

Keith Korporaal <orionkeith@...>
 

Case,

Good point... I’ll be there.  I don’t really know anybody, so I won’t count 😑😊.

Cap’n Keith 

On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Case Turner <dirtsailor2003@...> wrote:

 Reading the rules no more than 6 people from no more than 2 households per gathering either outdoors or indoors. 

Guess there’s no rules for multiple individuals who “don’t know each other” paddling on the same piece of water...

I’m not the one in charge so I can’t mKe a call just pointing on the facts.

Case

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On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:09 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:


I just heard that Governor Brown has set a stay home order shut down for 2 weeks starting on the 18th. This will be during the holiday and the Thanksgiving paddle. Is this going to cancel another fun day on the water?

Elaine


Re: 2021 Coot Events

elaineginader
 

Thank you John. For me it's been a hard year with no water time. Hopefully maybe next year will be better. At least it's giving me time to get improvements done to my boats for when I do get to be out on the water.
Elaine

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020, 9:42 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
I'm gonna schedule the usual Coot messabouts for next year as if there's
no COVID. I hope that sometime next year we can get together again,
probably still with precautions. In the meantime, I'll put the usual
events in the Coot Calendar and the online schedule. Be sure to check
the online schedule before going to a Coot event, and check the
organizer's Web page before going to a non-Coot event. I'll start
updating the schedule soon:

http://www.coots.org/mb/

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shelter you from a tempest, but from the other troubles in life, it is a
safe retreat. (L. Francis Herreshoff)


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Re: After Thanksgiving paddle

 

We should skip the After Thanksgiving float. The float isn't just a bunch of individual boaters that happen to be on the river at the same time, it's also a social event where we eat pizza and BS. We couldn't in good faith use the Toledo Boathouse for shelter for the pizza feed. Also, we'd have to arrange shuttling tow rigs from Cannon Quarry to the Airport Ramp.

Let's hope the weather is cold, wet and windy on the 28th, so we won't feel so bad about not doing the float. ;o)

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yykyau3n

or

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/11/13/oregon-governor-kate-brown-covid-19-restrictions/

Take care of yourselves.

On 11/13/2020 2:09 PM, elaine wrote:
I just heard that Governor Brown has set a stay home order shut down for 2 weeks starting on the 18th. This will be during the holiday and the Thanksgiving paddle. Is this going to cancel another fun day on the water?
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2021 Coot Events

 

I'm gonna schedule the usual Coot messabouts for next year as if there's no COVID. I hope that sometime next year we can get together again, probably still with precautions. In the meantime, I'll put the usual events in the Coot Calendar and the online schedule. Be sure to check the online schedule before going to a Coot event, and check the organizer's Web page before going to a non-Coot event. I'll start updating the schedule soon:

http://www.coots.org/mb/

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Flounder's Day Pizza Feast

 

It looks like there's gonna be no way to have the Flounder's Day Feast this year. <sigh> The 29th is me and Mary's usual pizza day, so I'll be eating pizza and thinking of all of you a day late.

http://www.coots.org/mb/

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Re: After Thanksgiving paddle

Case Turner
 

Reading the rules no more than 6 people from no more than 2 households per gathering either outdoors or indoors. 

Guess there’s no rules for multiple individuals who “don’t know each other” paddling on the same piece of water...

I’m not the one in charge so I can’t mKe a call just pointing on the facts.

Case

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On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:09 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:


I just heard that Governor Brown has set a stay home order shut down for 2 weeks starting on the 18th. This will be during the holiday and the Thanksgiving paddle. Is this going to cancel another fun day on the water?

Elaine


After Thanksgiving paddle

elaineginader
 

I just heard that Governor Brown has set a stay home order shut down for 2 weeks starting on the 18th. This will be during the holiday and the Thanksgiving paddle. Is this going to cancel another fun day on the water?

Elaine


Re: Good Read

 

Magic Harbor was only published on the Interweb. Don Berry was an early adopter of online publishing, and had a Web page way back when. He's gone now, and his online works survive only on the WaybackMachine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040919230249/http://www.donberry.com/

I saved Magic Harbor to a CD years ago. I think it may be in the Coot Library.

His historical novels about Oregon are all good:

https://www.oregonencyclopedia.org/articles/berry_don_1932_2001_/#.X64RfFCIZaQ


On 11/12/2020 7:48 PM, elaine wrote:
Thank you John. Is this book in the Coot library I'd really like to read it.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/y29an5bs
or

http://web.archive.org/web/20040919110718/http://donberry.com/harbor2/harbor2.html

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Re: Good Read

elaineginader
 

Thank you John. Is this book in the Coot library I'd really like to read it.

Elaine

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020, 7:42 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
For several myears NW author Don Berry lived in a motorboat anchored out
in Eagle Harbor. Alas, wealthy owners of shoreside houses don't much
like looking at "water rats", and do everything they can to eradicate
them. <sigh> But we can read about what it was like not so many years ago:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y29an5bs

or

http://web.archive.org/web/20040919110718/http://donberry.com/harbor2/harbor2.html

"Puget Sound, in the far northwest corner of the United States, is a
gigantic fiord system with approximately 2000 miles of rugged coastline.
The Sound includes everything from wilderness archipelagos to the
mega-urban strip of Everett/Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia.

"Along this island-dotted inland sea there is a small group of people
(certainly fewer than 100) who truly live on the water -- not at docks
or marinas, but floating free. They live on the hook, out at anchor with
no connections to shore and no other homes than their boats. They have
no electricity except what they produce themselves, no running water, no
telephone. Some are ordinary, some are eccentric, some are plain
lunatics. All are fiercely independent. They know themselves and each
other as "water rats."

"The name of the water rat game was best spoken by the skipper of the
scow-schooner OBLIO in Eagle Harbor:

     "'This is the closest thing to liberty I know. If I knew anything
closer, I'd be there instead.'

"The book MAGIC HARBOR is a memoir of people and events from six years
on the Puget Sound waters. Every word is true. Only one person's name
and one boat name have been changed. (And believe me, the argument about
that among the water rats lasted for two years.)"

When I saw this scow schooner on the shore of Eagle Harbor in 2004 I
wondered if it was Oblio... (see attachment)

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Good Read

 

For several myears NW author Don Berry lived in a motorboat anchored out in Eagle Harbor. Alas, wealthy owners of shoreside houses don't much like looking at "water rats", and do everything they can to eradicate them. <sigh> But we can read about what it was like not so many years ago:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y29an5bs

or

http://web.archive.org/web/20040919110718/http://donberry.com/harbor2/harbor2.html

"Puget Sound, in the far northwest corner of the United States, is a gigantic fiord system with approximately 2000 miles of rugged coastline. The Sound includes everything from wilderness archipelagos to the mega-urban strip of Everett/Seattle/Tacoma/Olympia.

"Along this island-dotted inland sea there is a small group of people (certainly fewer than 100) who truly live on the water -- not at docks or marinas, but floating free. They live on the hook, out at anchor with no connections to shore and no other homes than their boats. They have no electricity except what they produce themselves, no running water, no telephone. Some are ordinary, some are eccentric, some are plain lunatics. All are fiercely independent. They know themselves and each other as "water rats."

"The name of the water rat game was best spoken by the skipper of the scow-schooner OBLIO in Eagle Harbor:

"'This is the closest thing to liberty I know. If I knew anything closer, I'd be there instead.'

"The book MAGIC HARBOR is a memoir of people and events from six years on the Puget Sound waters. Every word is true. Only one person's name and one boat name have been changed. (And believe me, the argument about that among the water rats lasted for two years.)"

When I saw this scow schooner on the shore of Eagle Harbor in 2004 I wondered if it was Oblio... (see attachment)

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