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Re: Beaver Creek Messabout Next Saturday, the 11th

Case Turner
 

That’s a good call. There have been times when that chunk of HWY has flooded and been closed when the conditions alphabets been as forecasted. 

Case

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On Jan 10, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Bob Larkin <bob@...> wrote:

I was just talking to Jim Reim over at Waldport and Beaver Creek may not be a smart thing.   A combination of high tide and 25 ft swells can bring water into the creek which along with storm winds could make things somewhere between uncomfortable and unsafe.  So neither Jim nor I are going to be there.  As he said, this should bring really nice weather!!

Dan A. was going to come with me, and that won't work.  So, Jim, Dan A. and I will NOT be there. 

When shall we have a winter alternative?  Beaver Creek is still a good place for the winter outings.  Thoughts?

Bob L

Re: Beaver Creek Messabout Next Saturday, the 11th

Bob Larkin
 

I was just talking to Jim Reim over at Waldport and Beaver Creek may not be a smart thing.   A combination of high tide and 25 ft swells can bring water into the creek which along with storm winds could make things somewhere between uncomfortable and unsafe.  So neither Jim nor I are going to be there.  As he said, this should bring really nice weather!!

Dan A. was going to come with me, and that won't work.  So, Jim, Dan A. and I will NOT be there. 

When shall we have a winter alternative?  Beaver Creek is still a good place for the winter outings.  Thoughts?

Bob L

Note to Jim Reim -- Back to You

Electri-Cal
 

Yep, !!!  It is yours, as we discussed last night.  The marine ply is also yours, I found a gallon of basic epoxy that you will have to test, as it's been under the bench.  Probably some more stuff around here as well, so a pickup would work best, a roof rack is net in thoughts.  Some paddles might be handy, so we can go over stuff from other projects that might apply.  I am happy to see it can be used by a fellow coot,, so so let's get  it done before the show season.  This is almost perfect for Beaver Creek, and the smaller waterways in your area, so give me a buzz and we can get it done.  I didn't see my coot members list yet, so here goes.

Glad to find some stuff a better home,  ---   Cal

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Glue, caulk, Strip Planking on small craft, Some Observations

Electri-Cal
 

First off, I did an 8 ft round bottom dink with old growth cedar cut to just over 5/ 16 ( to allow for some error ) pretty cost effective for a dink.  Used a couple dry 2 X 8 clear cedar boards picked from Jerrys, for grain that laid flat to bend correctly cause I could se it easy.,   NEW saw blade, cur all with a mask to avoid cedar dust, nasty stuff.  I ended up with enough to get me well under way,  Then used a small ball and router table to "C" out one side, sand the other to fit that radius, so the edges overlapped and rotated slightly as laid up over a couple bow, and stern frames L left as was, removed one center frame former.   The bead and cove made alignment almost automatic, and was a pretty stiff hull.

I glassed both sides, but it added unnecessary weight, outside is enough, in my experience,,  Maybe a floorboard inner pad for steeping aboard, or not.  I used elmers waterproof for everything except  glassed areas, I epoxied those.  Again I would use lighter than 3 oz. glass and less of it, the hull was really stronger than needed.  I just yesterday looked on u-Tube, found my favorite product tester, doing wood glues in strength testing.  To cap it offf, he liked PL adhesives, the same brand I prefer, and would use.  The newest PL 8X tested best, in everything.  Liquid nails -- Fuse it  works well as does 3m 5200 ( an old favorite but messy )  Dynagrip is waterproof, but on a dink it's not needed unless abused for a few years, I've done that too !!! 

In fact, I have a folding 11 ft. small boat, that FOLDS to 5 1/2 feet for deck storage, carries my 230 lbs, and has a built in electric motor.  Motor is removable as is the battery, so it might be an idea, as it rows or powers equally well.  Needs a repaint but fairly light, flat bottomed for landing.  Been in the barn for a while, but the marine ply and real epoxy are good, better yet the price is FREE, don't need it any more so some coot could save it from the dumpster, motor goes with it by the way.  Add a paddle or oars and head out, so call and pick it up if you want it, my truck is gone, so don't need the boat around.  Phone is in the cooot members list, or post here.

Latef,  Cal






 

Re: Beaver Creek Messabout Next Saturday, the 11th

jim reim
 

I plan to be there, probably with Raven and possibly a friend.  A neighbor couple just got a beautiful canvas on wood canoe and may join us. How does "We almost always get great weather!" translate into probability of precipitation Bob?  My weather ap suggests 90% and breezy.  Should be fun.

Jim R

On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 10:35:10 AM PST, Bob Larkin <bob@...> wrote:


I plan to be there!  I will bring the "Wavelet III" (Pygmy Pinguino
Sport) kayak.  We "almost always" get great weather!  Bob



Waterway access Permit

Case Turner
 

Was just online at ODFW buying all my fishing, hunting tags and licenses for the new year. Also the new Waterway access permit that is required for non-registered boats 10 foot and longer and sailboats under 12 feet. This was the invasive species permit.

The one year fee is $19, the two year fee shaves off a few bucks and comes in at $32.

Don’t forget to get one if you need one.

Need to go sell a kidney so I can pay for all their paper work.

Dirt

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Dirt

Re: Beaver Creek Messabout Next Saturday, the 11th

Bob Larkin
 

I plan to be there! I will bring the "Wavelet III" (Pygmy Pinguino Sport) kayak. We "almost always" get great weather! Bob

Re: Borden's Glue (was: Interesting Podcasts)

Randy Torgerson
 

John,

The decision on which dingy to build has been a long and tortured path although the goal has not changed, the need for a dingy when I cruise the inland passage either in my plastic boat or the Tolman.  Whatever I build, the dingy will need to be light enough that I can pull it on-board by myself and small enough to fit on the foredeck.  A Cedar strip boat is relatively light weight and easy, if not tedious, to build.  The Katydidn’t was designed for 3/8 x 1 inch Cedar strips and can easily be built with 1/4 x 3/4 inch Cedar strips with glass inside and out. 

The Pety Dink CM would also be easy to build but there are three issues that would have to be addressed.  I would need to either borrow John Guzzwell’s mold or build my own.  If I built my own, then I could adjust the length as needed.  The materials to build the mold would not be much but would take a little time.  The second issue is the glue, Wonderbond is no longer listed on Hexion’s web page and most likely not available in the small volumes I need (Hexion purchased Borden’s chemical division).  I could use epoxy but epoxy is messy in cold molded boat building.  A water based glue would be preferable so Titebond III would be my choice for a small boat used in protected water. 

The third issue is getting the flitches; Edensaw would cut them but the cost would be very high.  I talked to a millworks in Portland that has a saw for cutting veneers and they would do it at $60 per hour, 2 hours minimum and I would provide the wood.  You have to expect 50% loss of wood to sawdust.  RiversWest has flitches that were donated and want to sell but I have not been able to get them to give me a price.  I talked to one gentleman who had extra flitches left over from a boat build but he wanted way too much for them; more than it would cost me to get them made.  Using 3mm plywood would add extra weight since you would double the thickness of the hull and the inner plies provide no strength.

After reading Robert Morris’s book, Building Skin-On-Frame Boats, I decided that I could use the Katydidn’t as a starting point and I drew up a design that I call Peter Dink in homage to Peter Dinklage.  I would use steamed Oak ribs with Alaskan Yellow Cedar stringers.  The transoms would be 6mm plywood framed with Alaskan Yellow Cedar.  The knees, thwarts and just about everything else would be made from Alaskan Yellow Cedar since I have a couple hundred board feet of air dried 2x6’s in my woodshed.  I would use ballistic nylon and polyurethane varnish, most likely from Skinboats.org, for the skin.

Now if I only could finish the canoe in my garage I could get started on the dingy.  I have attached a photo of Dolly’s Pety Dink CM build by John.

 

Randy

 
 

Re: Interesting Podcasts

 

Dolly was designed as an _enlarged_ Trekka! With other mods. The nice little Japanese lady is Hiroko Sugiyama. I've talked to her at the PT fest, but didn't know she runs a Culinary Atelier:

https://www.hirokosdolly.com/about

On 1/2/2020 10:09 AM, Ric G wrote:
Saw Dolly at the PT show a couple years when a little Japanese lady owned it.  Very small interior but of course beautifully done.
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John <@Jkohnen>
I can't take a well-tanned person seriously. (Cleveland Amory)

Borden's Glue (was: Interesting Podcasts)

 

That's interesting. When I read the article about Guzzwell's build in WoodenBoat long ago, I picked up (erroneously) that the glue he used was a "modified" PVA, not a "catalyzed" PVA, perhaps because I'd never heard of such a thing. <g> A quick check of the Interweb revealed that Borden has made more than one glue called "Wonderbond", or "Wonder Bond"; Wonderbond XB90K5 seems to be the one Guzzwell used, but I haven't found out much about it yet.

Was building the Petey Dink CM what made you want to build a skin on frame Katydidn't?

John Guzzwell certainly has had an interesting life!

On 1/2/2020 5:50 AM, Randy T wrote:
John,
John Guzzwell, in the class and his other boat builds, used Wonderbond, a catalyzed PVA which is boil proof. We would use a spritzer bottle to add the catalyst to get the right ratio.  John talked about building his wife's boat and having a crew put the fiberglass on.  The dingy we build in the class was the Atkins Petey Dink CM, which based on Katydidn't. Somewhere I have a cut off from the hull that has the three layers of Khaya Mahogany, effectively we made plywood.
On of the stories John told was when he was interned in Germany during WWII, he and other children convinced a German sergeant to let them go outside the castle to play.  The sergeant was not seen again, most likely was transferred to the Russian front.
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John <@Jkohnen>
There is something to be said for every error; but, whatever may be said for it, the most important thing to be said about it is that it is erroneous. (Gilbert K. Chesterton)

Beaver Creek Messabout Next Saturday, the 11th

 

Start the New Year out right!! Paddle/row Beaver Creek, our January tradition. The Beaver Creek that debouches into the ocean south of Newport:

http://www.coots.org/mb/Beaver/

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John <@Jkohnen>
If animals could speak, the dog would be a blundering outspoken fellow; but the cat would have the rare grace of never saying a word too much. (Mark Twain)

Salish 100 Charts link

Bob Miller
 



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For some reason (probable operator error) the link included does not take you where needed.

Try:  https://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov or copy and paste this address into a browser.

2020 Salish 100 Charts

Bob Miller
 



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Subject: 2020 Salish 100 Charts
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2020 Salish 100 participants - Greetings for the new year.

 

This is the first missive for 2020 from your organizing committee. In your application form, we indicated there would be downloadable PDF files of applicable charts forthcoming, Here they are (attached). As stated in an earlier discussion on the Salish 100 Facebook page, there are several good commercial products available applicable for small boaters.

 

We are providing a free option of 3 NOAA BookletCharts covering the event area:  

 

NOAA BookletChart 18440 - Puget Sound

NOAA BookletChart 18448 - Puget Sound, Southern Part

NOAA BookletChart 18441 - Puget Sound, Northern Part

 

You can go to https://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov for a complete listing of BookletCharts and all other format options. What we are providing is one option that may be appropriate for most small boaters without a chart table and perhaps an open cockpit.

 

You can print these out on your home printer or have them printed with a color laser on water-resistant stock. When you open the file you will see that they provide an actual NOAA chart sectioned into 8.5” x 11” panels.  Each file contains background pages as well. You will find that you only need to print these for one chart package. You may also find that you only need to print the panels that contain your specific route. They can also be printed back-to-back to reduce the number of pages required.

 

One caveat: Since each BookletChart is comprised of sections of a full chart, not every panel contains a compass rose for plotting. You will need a chart plotter that uses meridians and parallels to interpret that information.

 

Explore the options at NOAA and pick the solution that’s right for you. If all else fails, just follow the boat in front of you.

 

Sample:

 

 

The organizing team

 

 

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Re: Interesting Podcasts

Richard Green
 

Saw Dolly at the PT show a couple years when a little Japanese lady owned it.  Very small interior but of course beautifully done.

Rich

On Jan 2, 2020, at 5:50 AM, Randy Torgerson <coots@...> wrote:

John,

John Guzzwell, in the class and his other boat builds, used Wonderbond, a catalyzed PVA which is boil proof. We would use a spritzer bottle to add the catalyst to get the right ratio.  John talked about building his wife's boat and having a crew put the fiberglass on.  The dingy we build in the class was the Atkins Petey Dink CM, which based on Katydidn't.  Somewhere I have a cut off from the hull that has the three layers of Khaya Mahogany, effectively we made plywood. 

On of the stories John told was when he was interned in Germany during WWII, he and other children convinced a German sergeant to let them go outside the castle to play.  The sergeant was not seen again, most likely was transferred to the Russian front.

Randy

Re: Interesting Podcasts

Randy Torgerson
 

John,

John Guzzwell, in the class and his other boat builds, used Wonderbond, a catalyzed PVA which is boil proof. We would use a spritzer bottle to add the catalyst to get the right ratio.  John talked about building his wife's boat and having a crew put the fiberglass on.  The dingy we build in the class was the Atkins Petey Dink CM, which based on Katydidn't.  Somewhere I have a cut off from the hull that has the three layers of Khaya Mahogany, effectively we made plywood. 

On of the stories John told was when he was interned in Germany during WWII, he and other children convinced a German sergeant to let them go outside the castle to play.  The sergeant was not seen again, most likely was transferred to the Russian front.

Randy

Re: Interesting Podcasts

 

Thanks, Randy! It looks like there are a bunch of good interviews there.

From listening to John Guzzwell and reading Trekka and some of his articles, I think he'd be a good and interesting person to meet.

When he built a cold-molded boat, and it's Atkin dinghy, for his wife he'd become sensitized to epoxy, so he used an industrial Elmers "modified" PVA glue that I think must have been about like Titebond II. After laying up the hull he hired a crew to sheath it with FG and epoxy. I've seen both boats at the Port Townsend fest years later and they were doing fine.

https://flic.kr/p/3f3Rff

http://atkinboatplans.com/Photos/Katydidnt/

On January 1, 2020 9:26:01 PM PST, Randy Torgerson <coots@...> wrote:
John,

I found a list of podcasts here:. http://www.furledsails.com/howto.php3

Several years ago I took John Guzzwell's cold molded boat building
class at the Center For Woodenboats, although I have yet to built a
cold molded boat I found John and the class very interesting.

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John <@Jkohnen>
A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought. (Lord Peter Wimsey)
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Re: Interesting Podcasts

Randy Torgerson
 

John,

I found a list of podcasts here:. http://www.furledsails.com/howto.php3

Several years ago I took John Guzzwell's cold molded boat building class at the Center For Woodenboats, although I have yet to built a cold molded boat I found John and the class very interesting.

Randy

Re: Interesting Podcasts

Dean Grabski
 

Matt Rutherford has his single-handed podcast, but be forewarned it's a bit 'raw':


On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 9:12 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
It looks like Furled Sails podcasts are defunct, but the old podcasts
are still available. But no index that I can find. :o( :

http://noeld.libsyn.com/website

If you know what to look for, Googling might find it, like the Phil
Bolger interview:

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=777

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=778

And an interview with John Guzzwell:

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=736

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=737

If you discover any other good ones let us know.

--
John <jkohnen@...>
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
atrocities. (Voltaire)




Interesting Podcasts

 

It looks like Furled Sails podcasts are defunct, but the old podcasts are still available. But no index that I can find. :o( :

http://noeld.libsyn.com/website

If you know what to look for, Googling might find it, like the Phil Bolger interview:

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=777

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=778

And an interview with John Guzzwell:

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=736

http://www.furledsails.com/article.php3?article=737

If you discover any other good ones let us know.

--
John <@Jkohnen>
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. (Voltaire)

Wild & Scenic Rivers night in Eugene January 8

 

"Join us and our conservation partners for a screening of the film "Run Wild Run Free: 50 Years of Wild and Scenic Rivers" and learn how you can be part of an historic effort by Sen. Ron Wyden to protect more of Oregon's wildest rivers from dams and development."

https://oregonwild.org/events/wild-scenic-rivers-night-eugene

6:30, WildCraft Cider Works, 232 Lincoln Street

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John <@Jkohnen>
The problem with some people is that when they aren’t drunk, they’re sober. (William Butler Yeats)