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Re: Marine Electronics Non-Intensive Class

Jim Young
 

I need to move closer or perhaps you can have that class closer to Montana? 😁


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:01 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
"Only 1 spot left! Marine Electrical Intensive Dec. 9-13" reads the
subject of a message I got from the NW School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

Doesn't sound very Coot-like, does it? <g> But it reminded me that for
some time I've been mildly urging Bob L to do a class at the Toledo
Boathouses about how to use our VHF radios. After the Halloween float
someone mentioned that it'd be a nice thing to have a class, seminar, or
symposium where we learn how to use all our electronics and nav
programs. Sounds good to me. I imagine a combination of "experts"
teaching and Coots sharing. Should be fun and useful, and pizza is nearby.

Shall we do it?

--
John (jkohnen@...)
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River,
the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim.” (Lyndon
Johnson)






--
Jim Young,
mostly retired
Somers, MT

Re: Coastal Boat Test Jaunt in January (was: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float)

Dan
 

Thanks, John.  I’ll keep a weather eye out, and keep you posted.  We’re getting snow as I speak…likely all my fault, huh?  Dan

Re: Marine Electronics Non-Intensive Class

Richard Green
 

Well, I once navigated from Honolulu to Astoria with charts and a sextant but I got no idea how to set a waypoint with a GPS.  It would be good to learn somethings.

Rich

On Dec 1, 2019, at 12:03 PM, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:

Yes this would be great for me.

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:01 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
"Only 1 spot left! Marine Electrical Intensive Dec. 9-13" reads the 
subject of a message I got from the NW School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

Doesn't sound very Coot-like, does it? <g> But it reminded me that for 
some time I've been mildly urging Bob L to do a class at the Toledo 
Boathouses about how to use our VHF radios. After the Halloween float 
someone mentioned that it'd be a nice thing to have a class, seminar, or 
symposium where we learn how to use all our electronics and nav 
programs. Sounds good to me. I imagine a combination of "experts" 
teaching and Coots sharing. Should be fun and useful, and pizza is nearby.

Shall we do it?

-- 
John (jkohnen@...)
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, 
the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim.” (Lyndon 
Johnson)





Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

Joe Novello
 

Peggy and I went to Yaquina Head to drink our morning coffee. The ocean kept calling to us - it was lake flat with no wind. So we ran home and got the Duckworth to the ramp and spent the entire day - all the way until sunset fishing the north reef. With much success, I might add.  A day well spent on the water. I’m sorry John - Happy wife = happy life.  

Joe



On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:28 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
They made you _work_ on Black Friday?! No wonder the brick and mortar
stores are going broke. <g> Next year the After Thanksgiving float will
be on Saturday, so as not to conflict with the rush to the shopping
malls. ;o)

I took Pickle to the Yaquina, not Pearl, with her remote-control
electric trolling motor for effortless messing about. Her boat cover
finally bit the dust, so I guess I'll have to oil up the Necchi and get
to work...

On 11/30/2019 4:07 PM, elaine wrote:
> I thought of this float on Friday as I sat in my cubicle wishing I could
> be there instead. Great pictures John. I wanted to see Pearl moving in
> the water too bummer.

>     https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL

--
John (jkohnen@...)
There is a custom, amounting almost to tradition, that true boat speeds
are obscene and must never be mentioned except in a highly dressed up
state. (Lindsay Lord)




--
Joe Novello

Re: Marine Electronics Non-Intensive Class

elaineginader
 

Yes this would be great for me.


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:01 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
"Only 1 spot left! Marine Electrical Intensive Dec. 9-13" reads the
subject of a message I got from the NW School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

Doesn't sound very Coot-like, does it? <g> But it reminded me that for
some time I've been mildly urging Bob L to do a class at the Toledo
Boathouses about how to use our VHF radios. After the Halloween float
someone mentioned that it'd be a nice thing to have a class, seminar, or
symposium where we learn how to use all our electronics and nav
programs. Sounds good to me. I imagine a combination of "experts"
teaching and Coots sharing. Should be fun and useful, and pizza is nearby.

Shall we do it?

--
John (jkohnen@...)
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River,
the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim.” (Lyndon
Johnson)




Marine Electronics Non-Intensive Class

 

"Only 1 spot left! Marine Electrical Intensive Dec. 9-13" reads the subject of a message I got from the NW School of Wooden Boatbuilding.

Doesn't sound very Coot-like, does it? <g> But it reminded me that for some time I've been mildly urging Bob L to do a class at the Toledo Boathouses about how to use our VHF radios. After the Halloween float someone mentioned that it'd be a nice thing to have a class, seminar, or symposium where we learn how to use all our electronics and nav programs. Sounds good to me. I imagine a combination of "experts" teaching and Coots sharing. Should be fun and useful, and pizza is nearby.

Shall we do it?

--
John (@Jkohnen)
If one morning I walked on top of the water across the Potomac River, the headline that afternoon would read "President Can't Swim.” (Lyndon Johnson)

Coastal Boat Test Jaunt in January (was: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float)

 

I think we've done the Yaquina enough for a while. Other coastal rivers of interest within easy range of Philomath are the Siuslaw, Alsea and Siletz. All have their charms. Just south of Florence is a nice lake, Siltcoos, that we haven't visited in a while. All the Valley reservoirs of interest are drained in the winter, and the mountain lakes suffer from the same problem as the lakes in Almostcanada.

An outing on the Siuslaw would probably begin at Florence, and when we get back, the launch ramp is close walking distance to the warm fleshpots of downtown. Overnight moorage is available.

An Alsea outing would probably begin and end in Waldport, and the ramp there is near some warm eating establishments. Waldport Jim would know about mooring.

The trouble with the Siletz is that the Walkabout friendly lower river isn't very close to civilization.

A Siltcoos Lake outing could include a stop in Florence for food and warmth on the way back.

Some map images:

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/Coast

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/CoastLakes

Whether anyone joins you depends a lot on the weather. It can be very nice in the winter in Western Oregon, but most of the time it's wet and cold. <g>

The Video Messabout at Dennis's in Albany is gonna be the 25th of January. It'd be nice if you timed a trip from Almostcanada to include this warm and comfortable messabout. Whether a Coast messabout happens on a weekend or not doesn't matter to most of us.

The Beaver Creek messabout is January 11th. There isn't enough room for Walkabout on beaver Creek. <g>

Don't worry, I got your order for the 2020 Coot Calendar, with another one going to Montana.

On 12/1/2019 12:33 AM, Dan wrote:
Wow, my Coot calendar has nearly reached the last page, again.  Sure hope John got my order for a replacement.  Anyhow, I was just staring at January, and wondering.  Although, I may already have my answer. Nonetheless, the question goes like this:  If I was to propose an expedition out of Toledo, to someplace by water on the weekend of 18-19 January, would anybody show up?
We have a son in Philomath, and I have a boat that would like a seatrial about then.
...
--
John (@Jkohnen)
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. (John Steinbeck)

Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

elaineginader
 

I can help you if you need me for pickles cover. But keep the old one as a pattern. We could meet at the boat house. Good I'm glad about the float will be on Saturday that way I'll be able to go. If you can please send me directions on how to get to the Flounders feast. I usually ride with Mark and he said he might not be able to make it.


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 11:28 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
They made you _work_ on Black Friday?! No wonder the brick and mortar
stores are going broke. <g> Next year the After Thanksgiving float will
be on Saturday, so as not to conflict with the rush to the shopping
malls. ;o)

I took Pickle to the Yaquina, not Pearl, with her remote-control
electric trolling motor for effortless messing about. Her boat cover
finally bit the dust, so I guess I'll have to oil up the Necchi and get
to work...

On 11/30/2019 4:07 PM, elaine wrote:
> I thought of this float on Friday as I sat in my cubicle wishing I could
> be there instead. Great pictures John. I wanted to see Pearl moving in
> the water too bummer.

>     https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL

--
John (jkohnen@...)
There is a custom, amounting almost to tradition, that true boat speeds
are obscene and must never be mentioned except in a highly dressed up
state. (Lindsay Lord)




Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

 

They made you _work_ on Black Friday?! No wonder the brick and mortar stores are going broke. <g> Next year the After Thanksgiving float will be on Saturday, so as not to conflict with the rush to the shopping malls. ;o)

I took Pickle to the Yaquina, not Pearl, with her remote-control electric trolling motor for effortless messing about. Her boat cover finally bit the dust, so I guess I'll have to oil up the Necchi and get to work...

On 11/30/2019 4:07 PM, elaine wrote:
I thought of this float on Friday as I sat in my cubicle wishing I could be there instead. Great pictures John. I wanted to see Pearl moving in the water too bummer.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL
--
John (@Jkohnen)
There is a custom, amounting almost to tradition, that true boat speeds are obscene and must never be mentioned except in a highly dressed up state. (Lindsay Lord)

Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

elaineginader
 

This sounds like fun Dan. If I can get Larimar's seat completed I'll join you. Well it also depends on the weather and if I can drive to my destination. 


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:33 AM Dan <danashore@...> wrote:

Wow, my Coot calendar has nearly reached the last page, again.  Sure hope John got my order for a replacement.  Anyhow, I was just staring at January, and wondering.  Although, I may already have my answer.  Nonetheless, the question goes like this:  If I was to propose an expedition out of Toledo, to someplace by water on the weekend of 18-19 January, would anybody show up?

 

We have a son in Philomath, and I have a boat that would like a seatrial about then.  Local Almostcanada waters will be of the consistency you can drive a pickup across by then.  So, if the highways are passable about then, I would likely hook up and tow Walkabout on down youseguys’ way.  If I do this somewhat eccentric trip, I’ll drop Kate off in Philomath and continue west in search of navigable water.  I understand that Fern Ridge is allowed to flush all the toilets in John’s neighborhood and become a series of gooey mud puddles by then.  Is there an alternate venue anybody would rather recommend??  If there is any interest in this, please drop me a line.  Thanks, Dan.

Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

Dan
 

Wow, my Coot calendar has nearly reached the last page, again.  Sure hope John got my order for a replacement.  Anyhow, I was just staring at January, and wondering.  Although, I may already have my answer.  Nonetheless, the question goes like this:  If I was to propose an expedition out of Toledo, to someplace by water on the weekend of 18-19 January, would anybody show up?

 

We have a son in Philomath, and I have a boat that would like a seatrial about then.  Local Almostcanada waters will be of the consistency you can drive a pickup across by then.  So, if the highways are passable about then, I would likely hook up and tow Walkabout on down youseguys’ way.  If I do this somewhat eccentric trip, I’ll drop Kate off in Philomath and continue west in search of navigable water.  I understand that Fern Ridge is allowed to flush all the toilets in John’s neighborhood and become a series of gooey mud puddles by then.  Is there an alternate venue anybody would rather recommend??  If there is any interest in this, please drop me a line.  Thanks, Dan.

Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

elaineginader
 

I thought of this float on Friday as I sat in my cubicle wishing I could be there instead. Great pictures John. I wanted to see Pearl moving in the water too bummer. 

Elaine 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 12:29 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
It was a Perfect day for a float today. The sun was shining warmly,
there was barely a breath of a breeze, no jackets were needed. :o) Alas,
I was alone at the Cannon Quarry ramp, with noone to help shuttle my
trailer down to the airport ramp. <sigh> I thought about putting in and
going upriver a ways and coming back with the tide, but I went and had
pizza. <g>

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL

Due to an uncooperative moon the tide was kinda late today. The sun was
warm, but once it dropped behind the hills it was gonna cool off fast.
Next year I've negotiated a much earlier high tide. I hope the sun and
wind behave as nicely next year as they did today.

--
John (john@...)
I cannot endure to waste anything as precious as autumn sunshine by
staying in the house. (Nathaniel Hawthorne)



Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

Case Turner
 

Sounds like you got the best part of salad, ranch dressing.

Chick is a nice looking pram. Looks like it should sail nicely.

Case

Sent from not here

On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:24 PM, John Kohnen <@Jkohnen> wrote:

I got an early start on the drive to Toledo yesterday, just in case the roads were icy and I had to slow down. The roads were dry so I killed some time by driving up to Elk City. A beautiful drive (as was the drive over the mountains and back, it was a beautiful day!), with a little frost and ice on the road in the shady spots up by Elk City. There were a bunch of boat trailers and cars with canoe/kayak racks at Elk City park, and I saw some kayakers a little downstream. It looked like some other boating group was trespassing on our turf, either going upriver to Elk City, or maybe doing a loop -- downriver against the tide and then coming back with it. I'll bet they had fun. :o)

The Robert Steward Chick sailing pram Rick Johnson and ? have been building in the Andrew Linn Boatshop is nearing completion. It looks real good! :o) I believe one of the retired Old Geezers is fabricating the hardware for the gunter rig. It'll be interesting to see how that setup works. We don't see many sliding gunter rigs around here...

https://flic.kr/p/2hT6eH5

https://flic.kr/p/2hT5azg

http://www.coots.org/BoatPlans/Chick

The pizza by the slice was good at Cobblestone. I was gonna be good and have a salad with it, but they weren't making salads that time of day, so I let the waitress talk me into having a half-dozen garlic rolls instead. They sure were good dipped in ranch dressing. :o)

On 11/30/2019 12:29 AM, I wrote:
It was a Perfect day for a float today. The sun was shining warmly, there was barely a breath of a breeze, no jackets were needed. :o)
...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL
...
--
John (@Jkohnen)
There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness. (H. L. Mencken)



--
Dirt

Re: Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

 

I got an early start on the drive to Toledo yesterday, just in case the roads were icy and I had to slow down. The roads were dry so I killed some time by driving up to Elk City. A beautiful drive (as was the drive over the mountains and back, it was a beautiful day!), with a little frost and ice on the road in the shady spots up by Elk City. There were a bunch of boat trailers and cars with canoe/kayak racks at Elk City park, and I saw some kayakers a little downstream. It looked like some other boating group was trespassing on our turf, either going upriver to Elk City, or maybe doing a loop -- downriver against the tide and then coming back with it. I'll bet they had fun. :o)

The Robert Steward Chick sailing pram Rick Johnson and ? have been building in the Andrew Linn Boatshop is nearing completion. It looks real good! :o) I believe one of the retired Old Geezers is fabricating the hardware for the gunter rig. It'll be interesting to see how that setup works. We don't see many sliding gunter rigs around here...

https://flic.kr/p/2hT6eH5

https://flic.kr/p/2hT5azg

http://www.coots.org/BoatPlans/Chick

The pizza by the slice was good at Cobblestone. I was gonna be good and have a salad with it, but they weren't making salads that time of day, so I let the waitress talk me into having a half-dozen garlic rolls instead. They sure were good dipped in ranch dressing. :o)

On 11/30/2019 12:29 AM, I wrote:
It was a Perfect day for a float today. The sun was shining warmly, there was barely a breath of a breeze, no jackets were needed. :o)
...
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL
...
--
John (@Jkohnen)
There is only one honest impulse at the bottom of Puritanism, and that is the impulse to punish the man with a superior capacity for happiness. (H. L. Mencken)

Yaquina River After Thanksgiving Float

 

It was a Perfect day for a float today. The sun was shining warmly, there was barely a breath of a breeze, no jackets were needed. :o) Alas, I was alone at the Cannon Quarry ramp, with noone to help shuttle my trailer down to the airport ramp. <sigh> I thought about putting in and going upriver a ways and coming back with the tide, but I went and had pizza. <g>

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJGR7yL

Due to an uncooperative moon the tide was kinda late today. The sun was warm, but once it dropped behind the hills it was gonna cool off fast. Next year I've negotiated a much earlier high tide. I hope the sun and wind behave as nicely next year as they did today.

--
John (john@...)
I cannot endure to waste anything as precious as autumn sunshine by staying in the house. (Nathaniel Hawthorne)

Re: Breezing Up

Gerard Mittelstaedt
 

The lateen or Vela Latina boat seems to have a Catalan flag flying astern.  There is a group on Facebook celebrating the Vela Latina in the area of Barcelona ( Catalan area in Spain, which would rather be its own nation )  The boats are very interesting, and sometimes there is a lot of activity.  If one keeps at it one can learn a lot about the Mediterranean lateen rig examining those photos.  There are nuances of difference vs. lateen rig boats in Venice and the eastern side of the Adriatic - and every now and then, in other groups those lateens in Egypt.  It is an interesting world examining versions of the lateen and setee sail rigs.


On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 2:26 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Winslow Homer is one of my favorite painters:

http://www.winslowhomer.org/winslow-homer-paintings.jsp

How about this one? <G>

http://www.winslowhomer.org/the-gulf-stream.jsp

You can still go for a ssail on the Nile in a tourist felucca. This
video is probably closer to what Cal saw when he was a lad than the
modern stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV3PI5TOXIw

Lateeners are still raced. Try searching for "vela latina canaria" for
some action pictures and videos. The most fun is watching them tack (but
some of the videos deliberately cut away when they tack <sigh>. I
haven't seen what they do when they need to jibe... The racing has got
pretty commercialized nowadays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxOsfG6ciqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJzCsDboXXY


On 11/26/2019 6:21 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
> Great pictures from the artist, incredible variety, super color and
> interesting composition, a real treat.
 > ...
>
> Not the same scenery by a bunch, but the lateener sail rigged boat was
> what I first sailed on, at age 12 or so.  Parents and I took a trip by
> President Lines, stopped in Egypt a bit.  While we toured, we did a
> sunset cruise on the Nile in a good size dhow.  I have the slides taken
> then, at the pyramids, and around Cairo.  Humm, ought to get those out
> again, interesting stuff.  From before the whole sphinx complex was
> completed, ships found, etc.

--
John (jkohnen@...)
There is no free lunch.






--
Gerard Mittelstaedt  -- mittel48@...
McAllen, Texas
USA

Old Educational Film about Diesel Engines

 

Help! I've fallen into a YouTube rabbit hole! <g> This short history of Diesel engines is fun for us gearheads:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-tOYz_-YII

I didn't know there was a movie camera in the shop when Rudolf Diesel was testing his early engines in the 1890s. ;o)

--
John (@Jkohnen)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. (Thomas Jefferson)

Re: Breezing Up

 

Winslow Homer is one of my favorite painters:

http://www.winslowhomer.org/winslow-homer-paintings.jsp

How about this one? <G>

http://www.winslowhomer.org/the-gulf-stream.jsp

You can still go for a ssail on the Nile in a tourist felucca. This video is probably closer to what Cal saw when he was a lad than the modern stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV3PI5TOXIw

Lateeners are still raced. Try searching for "vela latina canaria" for some action pictures and videos. The most fun is watching them tack (but some of the videos deliberately cut away when they tack <sigh>. I haven't seen what they do when they need to jibe... The racing has got pretty commercialized nowadays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxOsfG6ciqE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJzCsDboXXY

On 11/26/2019 6:21 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Great pictures from the artist, incredible variety, super color and interesting composition, a real treat. ...
Not the same scenery by a bunch, but the lateener sail rigged boat was what I first sailed on, at age 12 or so.  Parents and I took a trip by President Lines, stopped in Egypt a bit.  While we toured, we did a sunset cruise on the Nile in a good size dhow.  I have the slides taken then, at the pyramids, and around Cairo.  Humm, ought to get those out again, interesting stuff.  From before the whole sphinx complex was completed, ships found, etc.
--
John (@Jkohnen)
There is no free lunch.

CNC Machines

Electri-Cal
 

Probably not accessable by me, but the cnc machines are nused by some sheet metal shops to cut the duck panels, then equally big folders for the crimp lips.  I have seen some maybe 6 ft. or so wide, by maybe 16 feet long where my wife works as bookeeper.  Very cool setups, roller tables, moving cutters from a set of paper plans fed into the control box.  Works with other materials I think for wood supportn structures matching the duct work.  There are also a couplencommercial mplaces on "OL 99" out my way that do metal art pieces, could probably do boat stuff if the tables are big enough.  That would be cool to have friendly access to one for a matching run of small boats. 

The Sabot or el Toro classes comes to mind, or some small sail boats like Myles Swifts fast sailer, another Bolger design I think.  The kayaks I built were flat monocoques, easy to fold once cut out, could build three at a time in a garage.   Some interested, and younger coot  might want to investigate other designs, cut a stack at one time, and build faster by a bunch.  A motivated builder could make some nice boats for sale, different designs than Toledo does.  Probably are some who do just that, ==  worth looking at in any case.

The non building Coot,     Cal

Re: Maslow CNC

Andrew
 

I'm interested in building one myself.  I have experience with these single-board computer projects and see huge potential with the 4x8' sheet setup - especially emulating the "puzzle piece" scarfing that comes in the SCAMP kits and CLC.

It looks as though Sonney_Lacey has built a Bolger Bobcat (aka Tiny Cat) with the Maslow using panel joins like that.  I had one of these charming little 12' Beetle Cat relatives and loved the way it sailed with the "big" gaff rig.  It's plumb bow and super broad entry made it sluggish in chop but it's really just a fun, spirited picnic boat.

Building a Bolger Bobcat (Payson Tiny Cat) catboat from CAD on up - thread has lots of photos and thoughts on using Autodesk Fusion 360 to layout the panels

With regards to cutting error: he is seeing a fair amount of error and trying to find the root cause and fix it (that's the great thing about a community project like this: it's always improving thanks to contributions from everyone):

As for errors in the cutting, I am definitely seeing some patterns and hope to somewhat make sense of it…I am also awaiting my pantograph, so that may alleviate a bit of the problems. Basically, however, I am seeing that some of the panels that are over 6 feet in length are suffering from a half inch here or there at the farthest edges of the board.

And with regard to the "lofting" aspect in Fusion 360:

Getting plans into CAD is getting easier with programs like Fusion 360 that allow one to take advantage of dimensioning parameters. If the plans include offsets, that is great. If the plans include measurements from a baseline, even better! Many of H. Payson’s plans (found here 18) have measurements from a baseline, made for the amateur builder to measure from a plywood sheet’s edge. In Fusion 360, I find that this works great, using one of the axis as that baseline. 

On my personal list is a new, smaller outrigger canoe in carbon fiber.  What I'd really like to do is build the strongback with stations cut on the Maslow, then strip "plank" it with foam and lay it up with carbon. 

Andy

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:42 AM Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:
The Maslow CNC looked a bit Rube Goldberg but sure seemed to work.  To have a CNC of that scale would be a fortune in ’standard’ issue.  

As regards allergy to cake, saves me from weighing 100 lbs more but cuts way down on invites to birthday parties……

Rich

On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:06 PM, David Graybeal via Groups.Io <harbordavid@...> wrote:

Alleergic to cake??? No... I'M sorry!!!