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Re: Boat Turning near Albany Thursday, Nov. 14th

Electri-Cal
 

Hey John !  I'd like to apply for "rider status" if you have room on the trip next Thursday.  If that's a go, please let me know what time you will be leaving for that.  I will most likely see Charlie if you want to add him, or whatever works for you.  By the way, I have the two oversize props in my trunk.  Maybe some ideas before I butcher them is a good starting point for next years boating.

Thanks,  Cal

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:09 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Instead of the usual Coots lunch at the Albany Denny's, this coming
Thursday we'll be turning Jim Cooper's "Banta" outboard skiff project.
Pizza will be provided. Show up at the usual time -- one o'clock, but
show up fifteen minutes early or you'll be late.

Jim lives on Scenic Drive, northwest of Albany. He's in the Coot Contact
List. If you need directions to his house, let me know in a private
email. Or you could just drive north on Scenic until you see a coot
burgee by the side of the road. <g>

--
John (jkohnen@...)
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose
our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. (Abraham Lincoln)




Boat Turning near Albany Thursday, Nov. 14th

 

Instead of the usual Coots lunch at the Albany Denny's, this coming Thursday we'll be turning Jim Cooper's "Banta" outboard skiff project. Pizza will be provided. Show up at the usual time -- one o'clock, but show up fifteen minutes early or you'll be late.

Jim lives on Scenic Drive, northwest of Albany. He's in the Coot Contact List. If you need directions to his house, let me know in a private email. Or you could just drive north on Scenic until you see a coot burgee by the side of the road. <g>

--
John (@Jkohnen)
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. (Abraham Lincoln)

Re: Refinishing wood

David Graybeal
 
Edited

I have not experience with the Deks Olje... but the feedback I hear is good. I'd feel confident using it as an alternative to 'Cetol Marine'.

Re: Refinishing wood

David Graybeal
 

I've been curious about the 'Sea Gold' stuff. But skeptical. After over 45 years as a woodworker, I've seen many riounds of 'we've got this water-based clear topcoat thing figured out... it's just as good as the solvent-based now'. Only to try it for a while, and discover - to my chagrin, my cost, and my client's dissatisfaction - that it's STILL not 'as good as'.

Sikkens has always made a range of 'Cetol' products. And they occasionally added another. For decks, siding, log homes, etc. As far as I can tell the 'Cetol Marine' is still the best for brightwork.

Re: Refinishing wood

David Graybeal
 

Varathen & Minwax tend to fall into the same tier. Urethane resin, not the more traditional Phenolic. That's ok - more abrasion resistant, slightly less flexible for when/if the wood moves. Not as much UV additive as the top-tier products. 

Re: Refinishing wood

Richard Green
 

Heavy sigh.  I wish I’d not sold Jaunty.  Health issues arose that appeared to be the end of boating for me, after some heart work and knee work it turned out better than I might have imagined so could have shown Jaunty another year or two and putted in some group events.  At least if I’da croaked out there among’em it would have been better than sitting in this crummy chair talking about it.  Eh?

Rich

On Nov 8, 2019, at 7:21 AM, Richard Green <chaos5@...> wrote:

Yeah, Cetol is the one I couldn’t remember.  My experience with Deks Olje was that I applied it coat on coat below decks on Passage until the wood was saturated.  When it dried it was a nice matte finish which lasted for the decade I owned the boat without touchup inside.  Outside I used the matte, the number One as it were, and then topcoat with number Two, the gloss and it lasted well in the Astoria environs from year to year with only a wash and reapplication of a coat or tow.  No sanding.  I repeat, no sanding.  Of course, I painted Jaunty with 100% acrylic house paint from Rodda and loved every minute of it both for initial application and subsequent touchup where some other person must have been driving when Jaunty scraped the dock a bit….

Rich

Passage and Jaunty
<passagedeck.jpg><IMG_5129.jpg>


On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:02 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

Welcome aboard, Dean! Dean is my neighbor out on E dock at Richardson Park. His boat is a Cape Dory 25, Stairway.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cape-dory-25

The brightwork on Pickle is all Cetol. Louie just used the "satin", but I got some "gloss" for the topcoat on the spars next time I refinish them. I don't like the orangish cast of the original Cetol, but I sure do like that all you have to do is wash the surface (I scrub with a fine Sctochbrite pad) and slap some more on when needed.

I see that Sikkens now makes all kinds of Cetol! I wonder how many of them are available here in the US of A...

https://www.sikkens-wood-coatings.com/en/

Toledo Joe swears by Pettit's new non-oil-base varnishy stuff, Sea Gold. I got some of the "satin" and refinished Pearl's boomkin. The stuff was sure easy and pleasant to work with, but it didn't hold up to a summer out in the Fern Ridge sun. <sigh> I think I didn't put on enough coats -- I think it may need a lot of thin coats to work properly, and a top coat or two of the "gloss" may be needed. Let's hope Joe chimes in with his thoughts on the stuff.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4fw9rux

or

http://www.pettitpaint.com/products/varnish-wood-finishes/interior-varnish/seagold/

On 11/7/2019 6:34 PM, Dean G wrote:
Here's to my first post!
This is cetol 2 part using the natural teak colored undercoat.  I love the way it looks but it's very time consuming.  I've been using it for at least 12 years and ready to answer your cetol queries.

-- 
John (jkohnen@...)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. (James D. Nicoll)






Re: Refinishing wood

lowellchief
 

Outstanding information.  Thanks a bunch. Knew I was asking the right group. I'll let you all know what i decided after I absorb all the great Info. Thanks again.

Re: Refinishing wood

Richard Green
 

Yeah, Cetol is the one I couldn’t remember.  My experience with Deks Olje was that I applied it coat on coat below decks on Passage until the wood was saturated.  When it dried it was a nice matte finish which lasted for the decade I owned the boat without touchup inside.  Outside I used the matte, the number One as it were, and then topcoat with number Two, the gloss and it lasted well in the Astoria environs from year to year with only a wash and reapplication of a coat or tow.  No sanding.  I repeat, no sanding.  Of course, I painted Jaunty with 100% acrylic house paint from Rodda and loved every minute of it both for initial application and subsequent touchup where some other person must have been driving when Jaunty scraped the dock a bit….

Rich

Passage and Jaunty


On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:02 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

Welcome aboard, Dean! Dean is my neighbor out on E dock at Richardson Park. His boat is a Cape Dory 25, Stairway.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cape-dory-25

The brightwork on Pickle is all Cetol. Louie just used the "satin", but I got some "gloss" for the topcoat on the spars next time I refinish them. I don't like the orangish cast of the original Cetol, but I sure do like that all you have to do is wash the surface (I scrub with a fine Sctochbrite pad) and slap some more on when needed.

I see that Sikkens now makes all kinds of Cetol! I wonder how many of them are available here in the US of A...

https://www.sikkens-wood-coatings.com/en/

Toledo Joe swears by Pettit's new non-oil-base varnishy stuff, Sea Gold. I got some of the "satin" and refinished Pearl's boomkin. The stuff was sure easy and pleasant to work with, but it didn't hold up to a summer out in the Fern Ridge sun. <sigh> I think I didn't put on enough coats -- I think it may need a lot of thin coats to work properly, and a top coat or two of the "gloss" may be needed. Let's hope Joe chimes in with his thoughts on the stuff.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4fw9rux

or

http://www.pettitpaint.com/products/varnish-wood-finishes/interior-varnish/seagold/

On 11/7/2019 6:34 PM, Dean G wrote:
Here's to my first post!
This is cetol 2 part using the natural teak colored undercoat.  I love the way it looks but it's very time consuming.  I've been using it for at least 12 years and ready to answer your cetol queries.

--
John (jkohnen@...)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. (James D. Nicoll)





Re: Refinishing wood

 

Welcome aboard, Dean! Dean is my neighbor out on E dock at Richardson Park. His boat is a Cape Dory 25, Stairway.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cape-dory-25

The brightwork on Pickle is all Cetol. Louie just used the "satin", but I got some "gloss" for the topcoat on the spars next time I refinish them. I don't like the orangish cast of the original Cetol, but I sure do like that all you have to do is wash the surface (I scrub with a fine Sctochbrite pad) and slap some more on when needed.

I see that Sikkens now makes all kinds of Cetol! I wonder how many of them are available here in the US of A...

https://www.sikkens-wood-coatings.com/en/

Toledo Joe swears by Pettit's new non-oil-base varnishy stuff, Sea Gold. I got some of the "satin" and refinished Pearl's boomkin. The stuff was sure easy and pleasant to work with, but it didn't hold up to a summer out in the Fern Ridge sun. <sigh> I think I didn't put on enough coats -- I think it may need a lot of thin coats to work properly, and a top coat or two of the "gloss" may be needed. Let's hope Joe chimes in with his thoughts on the stuff.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4fw9rux

or

http://www.pettitpaint.com/products/varnish-wood-finishes/interior-varnish/seagold/

On 11/7/2019 6:34 PM, Dean G wrote:
Here's to my first post!
This is cetol 2 part using the natural teak colored undercoat.  I love the way it looks but it's very time consuming.  I've been using it for at least 12 years and ready to answer your cetol queries.
--
John (@Jkohnen)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. (James D. Nicoll)

Re: Refinishing wood

Mark Strader
 

I used Varathane spar urethane from home depot. My wood was Douglas fir. I stained the wood then applied the Varathane (3 coats). Satin on the duck boards, gloss on everything else. It looked like the day I applied it after two years. My research showed it would last good for 3-5 years, then it goes south quickly. A light sand and another coat or two keeps it looking good. Just reapply before it goes south. I would use it again for Douglas fir. I haven't tried it on hard woods.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Green <chaos5@...>
Date: 11/07/2019 6:46 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Refinishing wood

Boating adage:  Three coats of varnish lasts one year, one coat of paint lasts three years.  Hehehehehe.

Rich

On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:50 PM, David Graybeal via Groups.Io <harbordavid@...> wrote:

There are four typical ways I recommend.

1. Paint - An opaque film finish. Give up on brightwork, and bask in the luxury of low-maintenance. If, of course, you don't mind giving up the beauty of wood.

2. Spar Varnish - A clear film finish. The most gorgeous option. Also the most maintenance... and most skill to get a good result. My personal go-to brand is Interlux 'Schooner' #96. But don't stress about the product, they're all pretty good. As a part time varnisher - it's more important for you to pick one of the  brands that's easy for you go lay your hands on. Then get used to that one. Get good with it without having to adjust to a new brand each time.

3. And Oil/Varnish blend -  This is the easiest to apply. Wipe on, wipe off. Unless you put ungodly amounts on... you won't build up a film. So it's now QUITE as protective. But neither is it as fragile. And it's so easy to touch up I think that more than counterbalances the benefits of a film. Not glossy, though. My favorite is Daly's Seafin Tea Oil.

4. Sikkens 'Cetol Marine' - A highly-engineered two step product. First the color coat, then the gloss topcoat. Much easier to apply than Spar Varnish, but not as easy as the Oil/Varnish blend. A very good compromise. I like the 'Natural Teak' flavor. Skip the oriiginal... it'll give you flashbacks.

 

Let us know what you choose.


Re: Refinishing wood

Richard Green
 

Boating adage:  Three coats of varnish lasts one year, one coat of paint lasts three years.  Hehehehehe.

Rich

On Nov 7, 2019, at 5:50 PM, David Graybeal via Groups.Io <harbordavid@...> wrote:

There are four typical ways I recommend.

1. Paint - An opaque film finish. Give up on brightwork, and bask in the luxury of low-maintenance. If, of course, you don't mind giving up the beauty of wood.

2. Spar Varnish - A clear film finish. The most gorgeous option. Also the most maintenance... and most skill to get a good result. My personal go-to brand is Interlux 'Schooner' #96. But don't stress about the product, they're all pretty good. As a part time varnisher - it's more important for you to pick one of the  brands that's easy for you go lay your hands on. Then get used to that one. Get good with it without having to adjust to a new brand each time.

3. And Oil/Varnish blend -  This is the easiest to apply. Wipe on, wipe off. Unless you put ungodly amounts on... you won't build up a film. So it's now QUITE as protective. But neither is it as fragile. And it's so easy to touch up I think that more than counterbalances the benefits of a film. Not glossy, though. My favorite is Daly's Seafin Tea Oil.

4. Sikkens 'Cetol Marine' - A highly-engineered two step product. First the color coat, then the gloss topcoat. Much easier to apply than Spar Varnish, but not as easy as the Oil/Varnish blend. A very good compromise. I like the 'Natural Teak' flavor. Skip the oriiginal... it'll give you flashbacks.

 

Let us know what you choose.


Re: Refinishing wood

Dean Grabski
 

Here's to my first post!

This is cetol 2 part using the natural teak colored undercoat.  I love the way it looks but it's very time consuming.  I've been using it for at least 12 years and ready to answer your cetol queries.
Dean


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
When John Welsford is asked what he uses for the brightwork on his boats
he replies, "white paint". <g>

On 11/7/2019 4:56 PM, Chief Keith wrote:
> So I need a little help. I'm refinishing all the exterior wood on my
> Potter 19 and trying to figure out what finish I should use. It looks
> like teak or mahogany or some dark reddish wood. It's very weathered and
> faded now. Looks like it was oiled rather than varnished in the past.  I
> would like to make it shinny but not sure varnish or varathane would
> work. Need suggestions.  Thanks

--
John (jkohnen@...)
Fishing is a delusion entirely surrounded by liars in old clothes. (Don
Marquis)




Re: Refinishing wood

 

When John Welsford is asked what he uses for the brightwork on his boats he replies, "white paint". <g>

On 11/7/2019 4:56 PM, Chief Keith wrote:
So I need a little help. I'm refinishing all the exterior wood on my Potter 19 and trying to figure out what finish I should use. It looks like teak or mahogany or some dark reddish wood. It's very weathered and faded now. Looks like it was oiled rather than varnished in the past.  I would like to make it shinny but not sure varnish or varathane would work. Need suggestions.  Thanks
--
John (@Jkohnen)
Fishing is a delusion entirely surrounded by liars in old clothes. (Don Marquis)

Re: Refinishing wood

David Graybeal
 

There are four typical ways I recommend.

1. Paint - An opaque film finish. Give up on brightwork, and bask in the luxury of low-maintenance. If, of course, you don't mind giving up the beauty of wood.

2. Spar Varnish - A clear film finish. The most gorgeous option. Also the most maintenance... and most skill to get a good result. My personal go-to brand is Interlux 'Schooner' #96. But don't stress about the product, they're all pretty good. As a part time varnisher - it's more important for you to pick one of the  brands that's easy for you go lay your hands on. Then get used to that one. Get good with it without having to adjust to a new brand each time.

3. And Oil/Varnish blend -  This is the easiest to apply. Wipe on, wipe off. Unless you put ungodly amounts on... you won't build up a film. So it's now QUITE as protective. But neither is it as fragile. And it's so easy to touch up I think that more than counterbalances the benefits of a film. Not glossy, though. My favorite is Daly's Seafin Tea Oil.

4. Sikkens 'Cetol Marine' - A highly-engineered two step product. First the color coat, then the gloss topcoat. Much easier to apply than Spar Varnish, but not as easy as the Oil/Varnish blend. A very good compromise. I like the 'Natural Teak' flavor. Skip the oriiginal... it'll give you flashbacks.

 

Let us know what you choose.

Re: Refinishing wood

Richard Green
 

Critical application issue:  Whatever clear hard finish you use it has to have UV filters added.  The sun is the enemy of varnish/verathane clear finishes.  Otherwise, there’s several available from Captain’s varnish to ….. dang, can’t remember what it is.  Not varnish but made for boats.  Various folks swear by various finishes and it kinda depends on what you like for application.  Varnish coats that “last’ are often six to ten coats……just sayin’.  I used Deks Olje parts one and two on Passage back in the day but it’s soft and can be scuffed easily.  On the plus side it’s very easy to apply.  Coat on coat, no sanding.  Many options, so little time…..what I have found on a boat in the water is the days you want to be out sailing you’re applying varnish.  Trailerable boats obviate that issue so it’s better.  Best of luck!

Rich

On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:56 PM, lowellchief via Groups.Io <lowellchief@...> wrote:

So I need a little help. I'm refinishing all the exterior wood on my Potter 19 and trying to figure out what finish I should use. It looks like teak or mahogany or some dark reddish wood. It's very weathered and faded now. Looks like it was oiled rather than varnished in the past.  I would like to make it shinny but not sure varnish or varathane would work. Need suggestions.  Thanks
Keith

Refinishing wood

lowellchief
 

So I need a little help. I'm refinishing all the exterior wood on my Potter 19 and trying to figure out what finish I should use. It looks like teak or mahogany or some dark reddish wood. It's very weathered and faded now. Looks like it was oiled rather than varnished in the past.  I would like to make it shinny but not sure varnish or varathane would work. Need suggestions.  Thanks
Keith

Re: Coot Calendars

John Purdy
 

Bought one last year and have thoroughly enjoyed having it posted by my desk.

Sign me up for 1 this year.

Thank you

John Purdy
Tigard OR

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 01:21:32 AM PST, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:


It's time to order your 2020 Coot Calendar of NW boating events,
featuring photos, mostly be me, of Coot boats, Coot Events, and even
Coots. So far, I think they'll be $15 apiece, postpaid, again.

--
It's remarkable how quickly a good and favorable wind can sweep away the
maddening frustrations of shore living. (Ernest K. Gann)




Re: Coot Calendars

jim reim
 

Please send me one.  Thanks for the skill and effort that goes into creating these.

Jim R

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 01:21:32 AM PST, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:


It's time to order your 2020 Coot Calendar of NW boating events,
featuring photos, mostly be me, of Coot boats, Coot Events, and even
Coots. So far, I think they'll be $15 apiece, postpaid, again.

--
It's remarkable how quickly a good and favorable wind can sweep away the
maddening frustrations of shore living. (Ernest K. Gann)




Re: Coot Calendars

David Graybeal
 

I'll take two, please.

David Graybeal
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR
503-860-3160
https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/



On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 06:57:42 AM PST, elaineginader <elaineginader@...> wrote:


I would like 2 please. Thank you for all if your efforts and time.

Elaine

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 1:21 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
It's time to order your 2020 Coot Calendar of NW boating events,
featuring photos, mostly be me, of Coot boats, Coot Events, and even
Coots. So far, I think they'll be $15 apiece, postpaid, again.

--
John (jkohnen@...)
It's remarkable how quickly a good and favorable wind can sweep away the
maddening frustrations of shore living. (Ernest K. Gann)




Re: Coot Calendars

elaineginader
 

I would like 2 please. Thank you for all if your efforts and time.

Elaine

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019, 1:21 AM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
It's time to order your 2020 Coot Calendar of NW boating events,
featuring photos, mostly be me, of Coot boats, Coot Events, and even
Coots. So far, I think they'll be $15 apiece, postpaid, again.

--
John (jkohnen@...)
It's remarkable how quickly a good and favorable wind can sweep away the
maddening frustrations of shore living. (Ernest K. Gann)