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Re: foil shapes for greenland paddle

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

A couple pictures.

On Nov 20, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Jove Lachman-Curl <jovelc87@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
concerning the foil shape of Greenland paddle blades.....
I recently made a Greenland paddle, which I've really enjoyed using, 88" x 3.5" at the tip, with tapers pointing to the center of the handle, loom and shoulders about shoulder width. At first I made the edges too thick with a 3/8" diameter, because I didn't want them to get damaged, this was fine, but made a plop sound when I paddled unless I paddled slowly, which I didn't like. Last night I thinned them town to 3/16 (4-5mm) at the edge and sanded them round/smooth, and about 1/2" thick at the center, still 3.5" wide.
Anyone have any experience with this?
I may have to edge it with hardwood if it gets too fragile, right now it's all once piece of red ceder. It also occurs to me that while it wouldn't be very traditional, one could make the foils asymmetrical like lee board for a proa, or a racing kayak wing paddle.
I'll send a picture once I have one.
Thanks.


Re: Hank's Coast Vacation (was: Tide and Current Tool)

Hank
 

Getting a ride with you sounds good, John  In fact it  sounds better than borrowing a boat from the Boathouse..  Will make effort to be there as I just happened to bring a raincoat

Thanks for the offer..

Hank



On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:44 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Hank-

Show up at the Cannon Quarry ramp Friday a little after noon and you can
get a ride down the river in the rain. I've got room in Pickle, and
somebody else may have room too:

http://www.coots.org/mb/Thanksgiving/

On 11/19/2018 8:13 PM, Happy Hank wrote:
> Saying hello to any coots needing an extra hand doing a project at the
> Toledo Boathouse.
>   I will be staying at Whalers Rest RV Resort from 11/20 to 12/1 and
> would be glad to drive over to Toledo and be a helper.
>
> There is a good chance I will also be here 12/22 to 1/12/19
>
> Hank Burroughs

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Re: Friday Float down the Yaquina River

jim reim
 

Unfortunately we will be hosting family again on Friday.  Unless I can talk them into spending the afternoon in the rain instead of having a planned dinner together, I won't be able to join you.  Have fun and enjoy the pizza.

Jim R

On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎20‎, ‎2018‎ ‎01‎:‎47‎:‎48‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:


Just a few days away!


Looks like we'll get rained on, but the temperature won't be cold...
Pizza afterwards in a warm pizza parlor. :o)

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Friday Float down the Yaquina River

 

Just a few days away!

http://www.coots.org/mb/Thanksgiving/

Looks like we'll get rained on, but the temperature won't be cold... Pizza afterwards in a warm pizza parlor. :o)

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought. (Lord Peter Wimsey)


Hank's Coast Vacation (was: Tide and Current Tool)

 

Hank-

Show up at the Cannon Quarry ramp Friday a little after noon and you can get a ride down the river in the rain. I've got room in Pickle, and somebody else may have room too:

http://www.coots.org/mb/Thanksgiving/

On 11/19/2018 8:13 PM, Happy Hank wrote:
Saying hello to any coots needing an extra hand doing a project at the Toledo Boathouse.
 I will be staying at Whalers Rest RV Resort from 11/20 to 12/1 and would be glad to drive over to Toledo and be a helper.
There is a good chance I will also be here 12/22 to 1/12/19
Hank Burroughs
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal. If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle... they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for them by gasoline. (Theodore Roosevelt)


foil shapes for greenland paddle

Jove Lachman-Curl
 

Hi all,
concerning the foil shape of Greenland paddle blades.....
I recently made a Greenland paddle, which I've really enjoyed using, 88" x 3.5" at the tip, with tapers pointing to the center of the handle, loom and shoulders about shoulder width. At first I made the edges too thick with a 3/8" diameter, because I didn't want them to get damaged, this was fine, but made a plop sound when I paddled unless I paddled slowly, which I didn't like. Last night I thinned them town to 3/16 (4-5mm) at the edge and sanded them round/smooth, and about 1/2" thick at the center, still 3.5" wide.
Anyone have any experience with this?
I may have to edge it with hardwood if it gets too fragile, right now it's all once piece of red ceder. It also occurs to me that while it wouldn't be very traditional, one could make the foils asymmetrical like lee board for a proa, or a racing kayak wing paddle.
I'll send a picture once I have one.
Thanks.


Re: Tide and Current Tool

Hank
 

Thanks for the invite, Joe.  With a little luck I will see you tomorrow.

Hank

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 8:21 AM Joe Novello <joenovello3@...> wrote:
Hi Hank,

The Retired Old Guys meet at the Andy Linn Boatshop every Wednesday from 10 until around 2 working on various projects. At 2:00 or so we break out the RC Sailboats for an hour or so, weather permitting. Be forewarned, we start slow with coffee and doughnuts to accompany our conversation. We work for a bit then go to lunch at the Pizza place across the street, compliments of the Port. 

Our current projects include two cabinets for the Boatshop, tool storage system on the walls, and a 12 foot skin on frame  boat. 

You are welcome to join us anytime. We look forward to seeing you. 

Joe




On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:13 PM Hank <happyhank07@...> wrote:
Saying hello to any coots needing an extra hand doing a project at the Toledo Boathouse.  
 I will be staying at Whalers Rest RV Resort from 11/20 to 12/1 and would be glad to drive over to Toledo and be a helper.

There is a good chance I will also be here 12/22 to 1/12/19

Hank Burroughs



--
Joe Novello


Re: Tide and Current Tool

Joe Novello
 

Hi Hank,

The Retired Old Guys meet at the Andy Linn Boatshop every Wednesday from 10 until around 2 working on various projects. At 2:00 or so we break out the RC Sailboats for an hour or so, weather permitting. Be forewarned, we start slow with coffee and doughnuts to accompany our conversation. We work for a bit then go to lunch at the Pizza place across the street, compliments of the Port. 

Our current projects include two cabinets for the Boatshop, tool storage system on the walls, and a 12 foot skin on frame  boat. 

You are welcome to join us anytime. We look forward to seeing you. 

Joe




On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:13 PM Hank <happyhank07@...> wrote:
Saying hello to any coots needing an extra hand doing a project at the Toledo Boathouse.  
 I will be staying at Whalers Rest RV Resort from 11/20 to 12/1 and would be glad to drive over to Toledo and be a helper.

There is a good chance I will also be here 12/22 to 1/12/19

Hank Burroughs



--
Joe Novello


Re: Tide and Current Tool

Hank
 

Saying hello to any coots needing an extra hand doing a project at the Toledo Boathouse.  
 I will be staying at Whalers Rest RV Resort from 11/20 to 12/1 and would be glad to drive over to Toledo and be a helper.

There is a good chance I will also be here 12/22 to 1/12/19

Hank Burroughs




Re: needle sizes and types

Cheryl Libby
 


David and I are planning on going to sew and I will be bringing extra heavy duty sewing machines. It would be helpful if people could text me at 406-570-3173 with their name and if they need to borrow a machine. 

As to needle size and such check out this link.

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, 6:05:50 PM PST, Mark Neuhaus <turtle-coot@...> wrote:


Hi Elaine,

You made mention of needles, but I'm hoping for a little clarification.

John's scan shows size 21 for canvas and heavy duty stuff.  Would you
agree?  And how about needle point - sharp, rounded, whatever else might be
out there?  Am I going to find your suggestion at Fabric Depot or do I need
to hit a specialty store?

What weight of canvas are we going to be practicing on?

Thanks,
Mark




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Tide and Current Tool

 

I think somebody over on the Wooden Boat Forum mentioned this:

http://deepzoom.com/

Use your arrow keys to move around. Click on a tide or current station to get details. Zoom way out and use the cursor keys to move around to get to charts far from their default area.

Looking ahead to Friday I see that he maximum ebb current near the Toledo Airport ramp will be 2.2 knots, but it'll be more like 1 knot when we get there...

--
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Any man-made code could be broken by a woman. (Agnes Meyer Driscoll, pioneering US Navy cryptographer)


Re: needle sizes and types

elaineginader
 

The fabric I'm bringing is Sunbrella which is an awning type in weight. So according to John's chart I would buy an 18 size to sew with. Some needles are also labeled as Jean weight that would be perfect. Like John mentioned each machine has the type of needles needed for the fabrics and they are in the manuals.  Fabric Depot isn't a good choice of stores to go to as they are going out of business and their stock is limited. My suggestion is Monavilla Sewing Center. If you go to the store on Stark street ask for Jason to help you.


On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 7:21 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@... wrote:
The recommended needle size varies with the machine. There are a lot of
sewing machine manuals available online, just do an Interweb search. I
posted the page out of my machine's manual in hope that Elaine would
tell us how the material she's bringing compares to the listed fabrics
so we can get the right needles.

A look inside my foot control (it wasn't that hard to get into after
all) revealed a loose wire connection. A PO had very sloppily installed
a new cord. <sigh> Loose 110V wires! <sigh> I'll replace the cord to the
control, and the power cord, because they both have dodgy insulation,
then everything should be hunky dory. :o)

On 11/18/2018 6:06 PM, Mark N wrote:
> Hi Elaine,
>
> You made mention of needles, but I'm hoping for a little clarification.
>
> John's scan shows size 21 for canvas and heavy duty stuff.  Would you
> agree?  And how about needle point - sharp, rounded, whatever else might be
> out there?  Am I going to find your suggestion at Fabric Depot or do I need
> to hit a specialty store?
>
> What weight of canvas are we going to be practicing on?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
>
>
>

--
John (jkohnen@...)
Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand. (Mark Twain)





Re: needle sizes and types

 

The recommended needle size varies with the machine. There are a lot of sewing machine manuals available online, just do an Interweb search. I posted the page out of my machine's manual in hope that Elaine would tell us how the material she's bringing compares to the listed fabrics so we can get the right needles.

A look inside my foot control (it wasn't that hard to get into after all) revealed a loose wire connection. A PO had very sloppily installed a new cord. <sigh> Loose 110V wires! <sigh> I'll replace the cord to the control, and the power cord, because they both have dodgy insulation, then everything should be hunky dory. :o)

On 11/18/2018 6:06 PM, Mark N wrote:
Hi Elaine,
You made mention of needles, but I'm hoping for a little clarification.
John's scan shows size 21 for canvas and heavy duty stuff. Would you
agree? And how about needle point - sharp, rounded, whatever else might be
out there? Am I going to find your suggestion at Fabric Depot or do I need
to hit a specialty store?
What weight of canvas are we going to be practicing on?
Thanks,
Mark
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Against the assault of laughter nothing can stand. (Mark Twain)


Re: needle sizes and types

elaineginader
 

John's machine is more of an industrial machine and it would take the size 21's. What is the name of your machine? We're going to be practicing on Sunbrella. 


On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 6:05 PM Mark Neuhaus <turtle-coot@... wrote:
Hi Elaine,

You made mention of needles, but I'm hoping for a little clarification.

John's scan shows size 21 for canvas and heavy duty stuff.  Would you
agree?  And how about needle point - sharp, rounded, whatever else might be
out there?  Am I going to find your suggestion at Fabric Depot or do I need
to hit a specialty store?

What weight of canvas are we going to be practicing on?

Thanks,
Mark




needle sizes and types

Mark Neuhaus <turtle-coot@...>
 

Hi Elaine,

You made mention of needles, but I'm hoping for a little clarification.

John's scan shows size 21 for canvas and heavy duty stuff. Would you
agree? And how about needle point - sharp, rounded, whatever else might be
out there? Am I going to find your suggestion at Fabric Depot or do I need
to hit a specialty store?

What weight of canvas are we going to be practicing on?

Thanks,
Mark


Re: My Sewing Machine

 

The fellow in the video is using a #16 needle. There's a poor scan of a manual available for the next-newer model of Necchi, the BU Nova, and even a service manual! :o) Here's the page on needle selection. (see attachment)

I surely will bring my Necchi to the sewing messabout.

https://freenecchisewingmachinefiles.weebly.com/

There's an issue with my Necchi's foot pedal, a later replacement I think. Worked once, briefly, then no more. <sigh> Not designed to be serviced, but that won't keep me out of it. <g> Probably not a big deal even if I have to buy another...

On 11/18/2018 10:42 AM, elaine wrote:
I use industrial machine needles which is what I would use on Johns. Sometimes the recommended suggestions are in the manuals because each one is so different. The machine I had before my Sailrite was a Chandler. The correct needles were hard to determine and the repair shops had a hard time figuring it out. If you don't have the manual look on line.
--
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Self respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. (H. L. Mencken)


Re: My Sewing Machine

elaineginader
 

Hey John, I just watched a couple videos on vintage machines. When we have the sewing get together please bring your machine. This way we can set up the needle and thread it the right way.


On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 10:42 AM elaineginader <elaineginader@... wrote:
I use industrial machine needles which is what I would use on Johns. Sometimes the recommended suggestions are in the manuals because each one is so different. The machine I had before my Sailrite was a Chandler. The correct needles were hard to determine and the repair shops had a hard time figuring it out. If you don't have the manual look on line. 

On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 10:09 AM Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@... wrote:
John,
You might have a real treasure there...but get some new, good needles for her...Elaine, what are your preferences?
Cheers
Claire

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 6:21 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Did some research on my sewing machine. I picked it up at a garage sale
years ago and never got around to playing with it... It's a Necchi Model
BU, made in Pavia, Italy between 1948 & 1953. Very heavy for a
"portable" sewing machine. Straight and zigzag stitching. Seems to work,
after I cleared a nasty tangle of thread from the bobbin area, but I'll
get some good sewing machine oils and give the innards a good cleaning
before trying to sew anything. The only apparent damage is a broken
cabinet hinge (it's in an age-appropriate travel case that may be
original.) It turns out that old Necchis are highly thought of among
sewing machine afficionados, and this fellow says they're popular with
people who have boats! <g> Because of their ability to sew heavy
material. Looks like I may have lucked out! :o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fCM29nsI4

If it indeed is in as good a shape as it seems to be...

--
John (jkohnen@...)
The wonder is always new that any sane man can be a sailor. (Ralph Waldo
Emerson)




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http://www.tscapuget.org
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Re: My Sewing Machine

elaineginader
 

I use industrial machine needles which is what I would use on Johns. Sometimes the recommended suggestions are in the manuals because each one is so different. The machine I had before my Sailrite was a Chandler. The correct needles were hard to determine and the repair shops had a hard time figuring it out. If you don't have the manual look on line. 


On Sun, Nov 18, 2018, 10:09 AM Claire Acord <whidbeyboatpainter@... wrote:
John,
You might have a real treasure there...but get some new, good needles for her...Elaine, what are your preferences?
Cheers
Claire

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 6:21 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Did some research on my sewing machine. I picked it up at a garage sale
years ago and never got around to playing with it... It's a Necchi Model
BU, made in Pavia, Italy between 1948 & 1953. Very heavy for a
"portable" sewing machine. Straight and zigzag stitching. Seems to work,
after I cleared a nasty tangle of thread from the bobbin area, but I'll
get some good sewing machine oils and give the innards a good cleaning
before trying to sew anything. The only apparent damage is a broken
cabinet hinge (it's in an age-appropriate travel case that may be
original.) It turns out that old Necchis are highly thought of among
sewing machine afficionados, and this fellow says they're popular with
people who have boats! <g> Because of their ability to sew heavy
material. Looks like I may have lucked out! :o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fCM29nsI4

If it indeed is in as good a shape as it seems to be...

--
John (jkohnen@...)
The wonder is always new that any sane man can be a sailor. (Ralph Waldo
Emerson)




--
Stay afloat with current events....visit Traditional Small Craft Association - Puget Sound's website:
http://www.tscapuget.org
Claire Acord


Re: My Sewing Machine

Claire Acord
 

John,
You might have a real treasure there...but get some new, good needles for her...Elaine, what are your preferences?
Cheers
Claire

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 6:21 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
Did some research on my sewing machine. I picked it up at a garage sale
years ago and never got around to playing with it... It's a Necchi Model
BU, made in Pavia, Italy between 1948 & 1953. Very heavy for a
"portable" sewing machine. Straight and zigzag stitching. Seems to work,
after I cleared a nasty tangle of thread from the bobbin area, but I'll
get some good sewing machine oils and give the innards a good cleaning
before trying to sew anything. The only apparent damage is a broken
cabinet hinge (it's in an age-appropriate travel case that may be
original.) It turns out that old Necchis are highly thought of among
sewing machine afficionados, and this fellow says they're popular with
people who have boats! <g> Because of their ability to sew heavy
material. Looks like I may have lucked out! :o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fCM29nsI4

If it indeed is in as good a shape as it seems to be...

--
John (jkohnen@...)
The wonder is always new that any sane man can be a sailor. (Ralph Waldo
Emerson)




--
Stay afloat with current events....visit Traditional Small Craft Association - Puget Sound's website:
http://www.tscapuget.org
Claire Acord


Re: My Sewing Machine

elaineginader
 

Good find John they're very good machines. I hope it runs well. 


On Sat, Nov 17, 2018, 6:21 PM John Kohnen <jkohnen@... wrote:
Did some research on my sewing machine. I picked it up at a garage sale
years ago and never got around to playing with it... It's a Necchi Model
BU, made in Pavia, Italy between 1948 & 1953. Very heavy for a
"portable" sewing machine. Straight and zigzag stitching. Seems to work,
after I cleared a nasty tangle of thread from the bobbin area, but I'll
get some good sewing machine oils and give the innards a good cleaning
before trying to sew anything. The only apparent damage is a broken
cabinet hinge (it's in an age-appropriate travel case that may be
original.) It turns out that old Necchis are highly thought of among
sewing machine afficionados, and this fellow says they're popular with
people who have boats! <g> Because of their ability to sew heavy
material. Looks like I may have lucked out! :o)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fCM29nsI4

If it indeed is in as good a shape as it seems to be...

--
John (jkohnen@...)
The wonder is always new that any sane man can be a sailor. (Ralph Waldo
Emerson)




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