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Re: Last Toledo potluck update-reminder

Case Turner
 

Still got time! 

Sent from not here

On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Jim Young <somersailing@...> wrote:

Dang it Dirt, I wish I could come to the Toledo show if just for your cooking!

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:
I think I’ve answered everyone who emailed, but if I missed you sorry! If I haven’t as we know Coots like dessert.

I will have all the taco burrito fixings. I will have beef, poultry and a vegetarian option.

So please bring fruit or dessert, chips, whatever you want to drink. Bring a chair, plate and utensil of choice.

I will be camped in my converted cargo trailer along the river in the normal area.  It is white has an awning and I will be flying the Coot Burgee.

Saturday night. I’ll have my stuff ready to serve at 5pm.

See ya all then!

Dirt




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Dirt






--
Jim Young,
mostly retired
Somers, MT

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Dirt


Re: Last Toledo potluck update-reminder

Jim Young
 

Dang it Dirt, I wish I could come to the Toledo show if just for your cooking!

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Case Turner <casesturner@...> wrote:
I think I’ve answered everyone who emailed, but if I missed you sorry! If I haven’t as we know Coots like dessert.

I will have all the taco burrito fixings. I will have beef, poultry and a vegetarian option.

So please bring fruit or dessert, chips, whatever you want to drink. Bring a chair, plate and utensil of choice.

I will be camped in my converted cargo trailer along the river in the normal area.  It is white has an awning and I will be flying the Coot Burgee.

Saturday night. I’ll have my stuff ready to serve at 5pm.

See ya all then!

Dirt




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Dirt






--
Jim Young,
mostly retired
Somers, MT


Re: Couple notes, medical stuff !

Electri-Cal
 

Thanks, Hank ______. CAL



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Hank <happyhank07@...>
Date: 8/9/18 2:54 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Couple notes, medical stuff !

Considering how often boating can leave a person with some pains I think it was a great post and should be allowed..

Hank in OR

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:
If you get a neck or muscle strain from anything ,like rowing carpal tunnel pain, leaning over too long to fix the boat electrics, there is a great cure.  In my case the recent contact with bike path concrete (twice in two weeks - $#!!) with my pedal bike, left me with a dislocated rib and plenty more.  Try Aspercreme if you haven't done that by now, that and a hot shower will relieve most stuff except a broken heart.  Sorta like aspirin for the area of pain, and no, it won't stain a T shirt.

Another thought is getting a discount card for med purchases, saves a bunch of $$ -- without any cost  to get it.  Mine is  www.GoodRx.com  and it works even at Bi Mart -- with some complaint that "we don't make money on these" but they do advertise they price match.  I go to the web site, find the meds, get the lowest price from all the sources, and go to the lowest one.  Near home thats Bi Mart, and that price match is the way to instantly get the lowest prices on most meds.

Should I post this stuff, or is it too off topic for boating ??  Does anybody look at i, or is this a waste of your time??  Private replies maybe?? Thanks,  Cal


 



Last Toledo potluck update-reminder

Case Turner
 

I think I’ve answered everyone who emailed, but if I missed you sorry! If I haven’t as we know Coots like dessert.

I will have all the taco burrito fixings. I will have beef, poultry and a vegetarian option.

So please bring fruit or dessert, chips, whatever you want to drink. Bring a chair, plate and utensil of choice.

I will be camped in my converted cargo trailer along the river in the normal area. It is white has an awning and I will be flying the Coot Burgee.

Saturday night. I’ll have my stuff ready to serve at 5pm.

See ya all then!

Dirt




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Dirt


Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

 

I skipped the details about reinforcing and attaching the concrete bulb to the fin, and probably adding some steel and/or iron to the mix. Thanks for your ideas on that part.

Splinter uses a 3/8" steel plate for its fin, holding a lead bulb of about 200#. The Splinter details are interesting. It has a couple of sheaves in the CB case to make lifting the keel easier. I think UHMW strips screwed to the fore and aft case posts, and maybe the case sides, would do the job about as well. I was thinking about using wood over 1" thick so it could be hydrodynamically shaped... The swept back fin is not only racy, it also lets you use a mast to hoist the fin.

To get the same weight as Splinter's lead bulb using pure concrete, using the same shape, the maximum diameter would have to be 14 1/2 inches! A concrete bulb would be pretty bulky. Adding iron to the mix would help. With a plywood mold that stays as part of the keel one wouldn't have to worry about odd old nuts and bolts and boiler punchings (who punched boilers nowadays? <g>) added for weight getting exposed at the surface of the concrete.

http://www.boat-links.com/images/Splinter.pdf

On 8/12/2018 1:47 PM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Fin Keel thought
*Let’s see !!  An open mould for the shape, for starters.  Inside that  outer plywood mould  there is room to add a bottom plate, with headed bolts, washers, and nuts sticking up say 6 inches.  Lay a layer of sash weight iron, or 1 inch rebar spaced 1 inch up from the base that plate. Fill with the harder type of concrete just in case.  Maybe a webbing of rebar world be enough to hold it in place.*
**
*The top “bulb” part is much the same with a matching ply top part to hold the fin deep in the concrete with side pins of rebar.  Just to be safe I would add say a half dozen pieces of pipe threaded steel that clamp the whole thing together, the bulb about maybe a foot apart or whatever your weight tables suggest.*
**
*End result is a plywood sandwich, with steel and concrete as a bonding agent.  In fact I’d probably use a cut steel plate so it all hangs together in case of grounding.  Just use a 4 part tackle to haul it vertically to trailer, a simple drop keel thing.*
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
If Heaven had looked upon riches to be a valuable thing, it would not have given them to such a scoundrel. (Jonathan Swift)


The Addams Family were Boat Nuts!

 

Who knew? See attachments. Dan M exposed me to the first cartoon. Andrew needs one of those@ ;o) Poking around the Interweb turned up the other.

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Wind is to us what money is to life on shore. (Sterling Hayden)


Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

Electri-Cal
 

Fin Keel thought

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Let’s see !!  An open mould for the shape, for starters.  Inside that  outer plywood mould  there is room to add a bottom plate, with headed bolts, washers, and nuts sticking up say 6 inches.  Lay a layer of sash weight iron, or 1 inch rebar spaced 1 inch up from the base that plate.  Fill with the harder type of concrete just in case.  Maybe a webbing of rebar world be enough to hold it in place.

 

The top “bulb” part is much the same with a matching ply top part to hold the fin deep in the concrete with side pins of rebar.  Just to be safe I would add say a half dozen pieces of pipe threaded steel that clamp the whole thing together, the bulb about maybe a foot apart or whatever your weight tables suggest.

 

End result is a plywood sandwich, with steel and concrete as a bonding agent.  In fact I’d probably use a cut steel plate so it all hangs together in case of grounding.  Just use a 4 part tackle to haul it vertically to trailer, a simple drop keel thing.

 

Just ideas, of course  ----  Cal

 

 

 

 

 

From: John Kohnen
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:20 PM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

 

The Fever Dream idea we're playing with doesn't have to be narrow, but I

think John McC (a purfeshunal boat designer, BTW, Applegate Boatworks)

cringes at the thought of making it wider than the width of one plywood

sheet because that'd waste plywood. <g> The design brief is just for a

boat under 20' that's cheap, easy to build, fast on a reach, goes to

windward well enough (but isn't expected to pass the Clorox bottles

upwind), and is comfortable for old fogeys. Crude and/or unconventional

appearance would be a "feature" not a "bug." <g>

 

The exercise is meant to be fun, and your Fever Dream doesn't have to be

the same as us Johns'. Cross-fertilization of ideas is good for all. But

in defense of narrow boats...

 

There's a long history of speedy narrow sailboats. They don't have a lot

of power to carry sail, but don't need a lot of sail to get up and go.

Some unballasted examples of fast narrow-flat-bottomed craft are the New

Haven sharpies and Chesapeake Bay double-ended crab skiffs. Though

working boats, both the sharpies and crab skiffs were also raced, and

some examples were built just for racing. The attachments show a couple

of crab skiffs measured by Chapelle. The first one is from American

Small Sailing Craft and the other from his booklet on Chesapeake

crabbing skiffs.

 

Phil Bolger took inspiration from the Chesapeake Bay double-ended skiffs

when he designed his Surf and Zephyr:

 

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/surf-crabskiff---15-6-x-3-7

 

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/zepher

 

Is it a coincidence that the Deal skiff carries a 59 sq. ft.

sprit-boomed leg o' mutton, like Bolger used on many of his Instant

Boats? <g> Of course most of Bolgers sharpie designs are also narrow for

their length.

 

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/sailing

 

If you add external ballast you can get more power to carry sail in a

narrow boat, but you still don't need much to go fast. A famous example

is Ray Hunt's 110. It has an almost flat, shallow arc bottom and plumb

sides, like a "Bolger box." Bolger worked for Hunt for a while.

Coincidence? <g> See attachment (from the 1988 110 Class yearbook), and:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_110

 

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3041

 

http://classicsailboats.org/portfolio-view/c-raymond-hunt-international-110/

 

I found this racy little keelboat for amateur builders in an old magazine:

 

http://www.boat-links.com/images/Splinter.pdf

 

I've learned to like the feel of a keelboat, and I think a narrow Fever

Dream with a ballasted fin keel would be fun, but a retracting ballast

keel would add to building expense and complication. <sigh> Splinter,

and Bolger's "His & Hers" schooner give some ideas for how to handle the

retracting:

 

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/single-hand-schooner

 

Lead is fun to play with (when's the casting party, Andrew? <g>), but

expensive. Concrete is about an eighth the density of lead, but cheap.

How about a ballast bulb of concrete? For a mold, make a miniature

plywood boat in some hydrodynamic form, with an open top. Stick the fin

into it and fill with sand concrete and trowel the top off flat. The

flat top of the bulb would act as an endplate for the fin, allowing for

shallower draft. :o) The "mold" could stay, perhaps with a plywood top

added, to give the concrete some protection from bumps and scrapes...

 

On 8/9/2018 9:30 PM, Dan from Almostcanada wrote:

> “Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite

> world is either a madman or an economist. (Economist Kenneth

> Boulding/Cootmaster John Kohnen)

>

> Or, maybe a DIY boat designer, who is certain he has not only increased

> form stability, lateral plane, sail area and weatherliness, while

> decreasing beam, parasitic drag, and healing moment…yep, a mono hull

> ‘for now.’

 

--

John (jkohnen@...)

To make a contented slave, it is necessary to make a thoughtless one. It

is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and, as far as

possible, to annihilate the power of reason. (Frederick Douglass)

 

 

 

 


Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

 

The Fever Dream idea we're playing with doesn't have to be narrow, but I think John McC (a purfeshunal boat designer, BTW, Applegate Boatworks) cringes at the thought of making it wider than the width of one plywood sheet because that'd waste plywood. <g> The design brief is just for a boat under 20' that's cheap, easy to build, fast on a reach, goes to windward well enough (but isn't expected to pass the Clorox bottles upwind), and is comfortable for old fogeys. Crude and/or unconventional appearance would be a "feature" not a "bug." <g>

The exercise is meant to be fun, and your Fever Dream doesn't have to be the same as us Johns'. Cross-fertilization of ideas is good for all. But in defense of narrow boats...

There's a long history of speedy narrow sailboats. They don't have a lot of power to carry sail, but don't need a lot of sail to get up and go. Some unballasted examples of fast narrow-flat-bottomed craft are the New Haven sharpies and Chesapeake Bay double-ended crab skiffs. Though working boats, both the sharpies and crab skiffs were also raced, and some examples were built just for racing. The attachments show a couple of crab skiffs measured by Chapelle. The first one is from American Small Sailing Craft and the other from his booklet on Chesapeake crabbing skiffs.

Phil Bolger took inspiration from the Chesapeake Bay double-ended skiffs when he designed his Surf and Zephyr:

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/surf-crabskiff---15-6-x-3-7

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/zepher

Is it a coincidence that the Deal skiff carries a 59 sq. ft. sprit-boomed leg o' mutton, like Bolger used on many of his Instant Boats? <g> Of course most of Bolgers sharpie designs are also narrow for their length.

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/sailing

If you add external ballast you can get more power to carry sail in a narrow boat, but you still don't need much to go fast. A famous example is Ray Hunt's 110. It has an almost flat, shallow arc bottom and plumb sides, like a "Bolger box." Bolger worked for Hunt for a while. Coincidence? <g> See attachment (from the 1988 110 Class yearbook), and:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_110

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3041

http://classicsailboats.org/portfolio-view/c-raymond-hunt-international-110/

I found this racy little keelboat for amateur builders in an old magazine:

http://www.boat-links.com/images/Splinter.pdf

I've learned to like the feel of a keelboat, and I think a narrow Fever Dream with a ballasted fin keel would be fun, but a retracting ballast keel would add to building expense and complication. <sigh> Splinter, and Bolger's "His & Hers" schooner give some ideas for how to handle the retracting:

http://www.mcssl.com/store/hhpaysoncompany/instant-boat-plans/single-hand-schooner

Lead is fun to play with (when's the casting party, Andrew? <g>), but expensive. Concrete is about an eighth the density of lead, but cheap. How about a ballast bulb of concrete? For a mold, make a miniature plywood boat in some hydrodynamic form, with an open top. Stick the fin into it and fill with sand concrete and trowel the top off flat. The flat top of the bulb would act as an endplate for the fin, allowing for shallower draft. :o) The "mold" could stay, perhaps with a plywood top added, to give the concrete some protection from bumps and scrapes...

On 8/9/2018 9:30 PM, Dan from Almostcanada wrote:
“Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. (Economist Kenneth Boulding/Cootmaster John Kohnen)
Or, maybe a DIY boat designer, who is certain he has not only increased form stability, lateral plane, sail area and weatherliness, while decreasing beam, parasitic drag, and healing moment…yep, a mono hull ‘for now.’
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
To make a contented slave, it is necessary to make a thoughtless one. It is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and, as far as possible, to annihilate the power of reason. (Frederick Douglass)


Hey -- Case !! Potluck Fixins ??

Electri-Cal
 

La Verne would like to know what you need for that potluck, sounds great !!!   She thought a 3 to 5 bean salad dish, spaghetti, macaroni  or pasta shells -- home made of course -- or similar, so I am dispatched to find what  might  be in your mind.  Could do a salad, a dessert, or a different side dish that you think would work.  I might try to find a good dessert cake or similar thing for  the group.  if you give us a category we can work on that.

lookin'  Forward to the  --- "Great Big Little Boat Show"  ----   Cal


Port of Toledo Wooden Boat Show, August 18 & 19

 

Just in case anyone here is unaware of what's happening next weekend. <g>

http://www.coots.org/mb/Toledo/

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Port of Toledo Wooden Boat Show, August 18 & 19
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Port of Toledo
Reply-To: info@...




2018 Port of Toledo Wooden Boat Show
August 18 & 19, 2018

Getting All Steamed up
in Toledo!
Join us at our
14th Annual Wooden
Boat Show
Featuring the Northwest Steam Society
In addition to a display of wooden boats ranging from kayaks and canoes to work boats, pleasure craft, and the Port’s fleet of Teak Ladies, the Northwest Steam Society will bring over 20 steamboats and will be offering free rides. Accompanying the Northwest Steam Society will be members of the Steam Automobile Club of America displaying Stanley Steam Cars including a 1911 seven passenger model 85, a 1918 seven passenger touring car, a Stanley 1907 EX, and a 1913 model 63 Torpedo Roadster.  This is a great opportunity to meet the owners and builders of unique vessels and automobiles.  

Featured events include the Georgia Pacific Container Boat Contest, Family Boat Building, Poker Paddle, Kid’s Toy Boat Building, live music, food and vendor booths, as well as informational and historical exhibits and a silent auction to support the show. The event is located at the Port’s Waterfront Park and Marina at 127 NW A Street, Toledo, Oregon. Show hours are Saturday 10 am – 6 pm, with live music until 6:30 pm and Sunday 10 am to 4 pm.
Toledo Dental Care -Siletz Lumber - Alan Brown Tire Center
Toledo Feed and Seed - Carson Oil
Thank You to all of our Sponsors!
There is something for everyone at the show!
Silent auctions will be held on Saturday and Sunday, with proceeds supporting production of the Wooden Boat Show. Artisan, vendor, and informational booths will be at the show as well as a selection of food vendors. The Toledo Chamber of Commerce will have a pancake breakfast both mornings at the pavilion.

The Georgia Pacific Containerboard Boat Contest is always an exciting event as amateur boat builders test the water-worthiness of their containerboard creations.  Prizes are awarded for the favorite design, to winners of the boat races, and there is a special trophy for the Most Spectacular Sinking! Don’t miss their maiden, and possibly only, voyage at 2:00 pm on Saturday. 

Family boat building projects are also highlighted at the show. Local shipwright, Rick Johnson will be leading families in building their very own 12’ Stand Up Paddleboards and Joe Novello will be directing construction of 8’ prams called Elegant Punts. These groups build their boats during the show and wrap up Sunday afternoon by launching their new boats in Depot Slough. Show attendees are invited to watch the boat builders’ progress, and wave the new boat owners off on their maiden voyage Sunday afternoon. 
The show is located at the Port’s Marina
and Waterfront Park
127 NW A Street, Toledo 

Saturday, August 18, 10 am to 6 pm
with live music until 6:30pm
Sunday, August 19, 10 am to 4 pm
We are pleased to present an exciting variety of live music this year. Bands will perform at the Waterfront Park pavilion stage Saturday, 11:15 am until 6:30 pm and on Sunday, 11:00 am until 3:30 pm. 

The Port of Toledo Wooden Boat Show is a free, fun, family event with something for everyone: boat building, live music, kids’ activities, food, boat rides, vendors and lots more.  Click here for the Special Music Edition of the 2018 Poster.

Bring your family and friends
to Toledo and
Enjoy the Show! 
Port of Toledo | 541-336-5207 | 541-336-5160 | info@... | portoftoledo.org

-- 
John (jkohnen@...)
Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it. (Jonathan Swift) 


Re: Toledo

David Graybeal
 

The JETMAN??? Somehow I recollected him as a mythical creature. Tales are told... but no one actually believes them... <G>

OK Dirt - I'll come up with something. First thought is sausages of some sort from Gartner's. Grill 'em & Chill 'em here, then transport in the cooler. But I haven't settled on that yet.

David Graybeal
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR
503-860-3160
https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/



On Friday, August 10, 2018, 5:32:24 AM PDT, Dan W <Toolman84@...> wrote:


 
Rumor has it the one and only JetMan<<< will make a rare public appearance....
 
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Case Turner" <dirtsailor2003@...>
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Toledo
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:11:50 -0700

No idea how many Coots will show. So far the only ones I’ve had contact from are JK and Mark N.

The steam team (62 people) are having dinner in Newport for their annual meet. But there may be 5-8 that may join us that didn’t commit in time to join them.

So for now I’m assuming no more than 15-20. More than likely 15 or less.

Dirt

Sent from not here

> On Aug 9, 2018, at 10:05 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
>
> I guess the sacrifices to the Interweb gods worked... <g>
>
>> On 8/9/2018 9:16 PM, David G wrote:
>> I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...
>
>
> --
> John (jkohnen@...)
> When a man is wrapped up in himself he makes a pretty small package. (John Ruskin)
>
>
>
>




Re: Toledo

Dan W
 

 
Rumor has it the one and only JetMan<<< will make a rare public appearance....
 
 


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Case Turner" <dirtsailor2003@...>
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Toledo
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:11:50 -0700

No idea how many Coots will show. So far the only ones I’ve had contact from are JK and Mark N.

The steam team (62 people) are having dinner in Newport for their annual meet. But there may be 5-8 that may join us that didn’t commit in time to join them.

So for now I’m assuming no more than 15-20. More than likely 15 or less.

Dirt

Sent from not here

> On Aug 9, 2018, at 10:05 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:
>
> I guess the sacrifices to the Interweb gods worked... <g>
>
>> On 8/9/2018 9:16 PM, David G wrote:
>> I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...
>
>
> --
> John (jkohnen@...)
> When a man is wrapped up in himself he makes a pretty small package. (John Ruskin)
>
>
>
>




Re: Toledo

Case Turner
 

No idea how many Coots will show. So far the only ones I’ve had contact from are JK and Mark N.

The steam team (62 people) are having dinner in Newport for their annual meet. But there may be 5-8 that may join us that didn’t commit in time to join them.

So for now I’m assuming no more than 15-20. More than likely 15 or less.

Dirt

Sent from not here

On Aug 9, 2018, at 10:05 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@boat-links.com> wrote:

I guess the sacrifices to the Interweb gods worked... <g>

On 8/9/2018 9:16 PM, David G wrote:
I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
When a man is wrapped up in himself he makes a pretty small package. (John Ruskin)




Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

 

Some Flattie/Geary 18s racing...

Flatties lack a comfortable backrest for an old fogey skipper, and they look too much like a typical sailboat to suit John McC. ;o) From a distance a Flattie doesn't look all that different from a Thistle or Lido 14, or any other fractional sloop...

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
The problem in our country isn't with books being banned, but with people no longer reading. ... You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them. (Ray Bradbury)


Re: Toledo

 

I guess the sacrifices to the Interweb gods worked... <g>

On 8/9/2018 9:16 PM, David G wrote:
I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
When a man is wrapped up in himself he makes a pretty small package. (John Ruskin)


Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

 

That's cheating, Dave! ;o) The exercise is to _design_ a cheap, fast boat that'll fit in my slip without upping the rent. But the Flattie could serve as inspiration...

I think it's a real shame that the Flatties fell out of favor. They used to be all over the place, but now I hardly ever see one on Fern Ridge, and I think there are only a couple of racing fleets still active. The Coos Bay Yacht Club doesn't have a Web page anymore, so I can't check if they're still racing them on Tenmile Lakes...

Ted Geary, yes THAT Geary, designed the Flattie back in the 1920s, and those plans were published in Ed Monk's book, How to Build Wooden Boats (as "Flattee"). It's an interesting design, using a stiff full length backbone consisting of two deep parallel boards on each side of the centerboard slot. This gives the shallow hull stiffness to resist the stresses of the "modern" high-strung marconi knockabout rig. The boats originally used a single plank for each side, and the bottom was planked crosswise, like a sharpie. Geary seems to have taken inspiration from New Haven sharpies, which also used a hefty backbone similar to the Flattie's. Later, Flatties were built out of plywood, and then fiberglass. But newer, more fashionable classes came along and the Flattie faded away. <sigh>

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=3201

https://cwb.org/exhibits/geary-sailboat-flattie/

On 8/9/2018 3:21 PM, Dave H wrote:
...
   About the 20-foot boat you mentioned…
   Nancy and I sailed a Geary 18 for about 10-years, at the Coos Bay Yacht Club. It was the most fun boat we have ever had. We really miss her! At Coos Bay, most of the boats were hand built by the skippers, or other members. Ours was one of the Edsel Hodge builds. A very simple, but amazing boat. This is one that should be considered. They are stable and fast.
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. (Abraham Lincoln)


Re: Toledo

David Graybeal
 

How many you think will show?

David Graybeal
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR
503-860-3160
https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/



On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 9:46:39 PM PDT, Case Turner <dirtsailor2003@...> wrote:


It’s happening! So bring what ya got! 

Dirt

Sent from not here

On Aug 9, 2018, at 9:16 PM, David Graybeal via Groups.Io <harbordavid@...> wrote:

I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...


Re: Toledo

Case Turner
 

It’s happening! So bring what ya got! 

Dirt

Sent from not here

On Aug 9, 2018, at 9:16 PM, David Graybeal via Groups.Io <harbordavid@...> wrote:

I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...


Re: Fever Dreams (Design Exercise)

Dan
 

“Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. (Economist Kenneth Boulding/Cootmaster John Kohnen)

 

Or, maybe a DIY boat designer, who is certain he has not only increased form stability, lateral plane, sail area and weatherliness, while decreasing beam, parasitic drag, and healing moment…yep, a mono hull ‘for now.’

 


Re: Toledo

David Graybeal
 

I'd be happy to bring something if you decide to put this together...

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