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Re: Need some band saw work

Richard Green
 

I see what you’re making, what does it do on that scoot?  What’s it for?

Rich



On May 24, 2018, at 9:04 PM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

Just checked in, missed you by minutes this AM.  Yep, I was at the lunch but there will be others like Thursday next week.  I need to make a cut guide and do what I think will work for a handed out primary model.  I have a finished installed piece, should show that in person. 
 
This is from a “why doesn’t some one make a  ----- ??   So, I did a design that works perfect on my scooter, and easy to offer using all stock parts plus a bit of plywood.
 
I could get the ply, cut it slightly over the right width, and stack it for easy band saw radius parts for you to work on. Trying to get an idea on line without breaking the bank, but I think this is a no brainer, with over 1 million of that design scooters sold -- I’m surprised no one so far has filled the need.  Wish I hadn’t posted my original reply, just stupid at that time.  Hope it works now, or enough to do other models that didn’t get in the web site.<265317FC07E9439C9E600453EA944A29.jpg>
 
Shoot me a phone number with time to call you, or just call me say around 10 am for a daytime call, maybe tomorrow AM ??   Should be here from 8 to 10, or leave a message with name, as you have time for.  Holiday weekend so nothing is fixed as usual, but looking forward to a visit.<5AD5F8DC7C1F4ADF8F3F9EE27A1BEF29.jpg>
 
See you after the holidays, and thanks ---  Cal
 
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From: Hank
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:04 AM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Need some band saw work
 
Sounds interesting, Cal.  I have the band saw and several sanding devices. Also large table saw if needed to cut sheets of plywood into strips.   Live a few miles East of Salem.
 
You going to be at Coots lunch today?
 
Hank in OR
 
On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:
I have a simple project, but it takes a band saw to cut 1/2 inch plywood in stacks.  Trying to keep constant size and save time for production of identical pieces.  If someone has a way to sand or round off the edges too, it might be a small money maker.  Just a simple non boat design I thought of, that I would like to try, call 54 one-- eighty nine 5 -- 267 niner  or drop a note here.  I need to move on this idea during the summer season.

Thanks,   Cal  
 

 
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Re: Need some band saw work

Electri-Cal
 

Just checked in, missed you by minutes this AM.  Yep, I was at the lunch but there will be others like Thursday next week.  I need to make a cut guide and do what I think will work for a handed out primary model.  I have a finished installed piece, should show that in person.

 

This is from a “why doesn’t some one make a  ----- ??   So, I did a design that works perfect on my scooter, and easy to offer using all stock parts plus a bit of plywood.

 

I could get the ply, cut it slightly over the right width, and stack it for easy band saw radius parts for you to work on. Trying to get an idea on line without breaking the bank, but I think this is a no brainer, with over 1 million of that design scooters sold -- I’m surprised no one so far has filled the need.  Wish I hadn’t posted my original reply, just stupid at that time.  Hope it works now, or enough to do other models that didn’t get in the web site.

 

Shoot me a phone number with time to call you, or just call me say around 10 am for a daytime call, maybe tomorrow AM ??   Should be here from 8 to 10, or leave a message with name, as you have time for.  Holiday weekend so nothing is fixed as usual, but looking forward to a visit.

 

See you after the holidays, and thanks ---  Cal

 

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From: Hank
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:04 AM
To: oregoncoots@groups.io
Subject: Re: [oregoncoots] Need some band saw work

 

Sounds interesting, Cal.  I have the band saw and several sanding devices. Also large table saw if needed to cut sheets of plywood into strips.   Live a few miles East of Salem.

 

You going to be at Coots lunch today?

 

Hank in OR

 

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:

I have a simple project, but it takes a band saw to cut 1/2 inch plywood in stacks.  Trying to keep constant size and save time for production of identical pieces.  If someone has a way to sand or round off the edges too, it might be a small money maker.  Just a simple non boat design I thought of, that I would like to try, call 54 one-- eighty nine 5 -- 267 niner  or drop a note here.  I need to move on this idea during the summer season.

Thanks,   Cal 

 

 


Re: Need some band saw work

Hank
 

Sounds interesting, Cal.  I have the band saw and several sanding devices. Also large table saw if needed to cut sheets of plywood into strips.   Live a few miles East of Salem.

You going to be at Coots lunch today?

Hank in OR

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Electri-Cal <calboats@...> wrote:
I have a simple project, but it takes a band saw to cut 1/2 inch plywood in stacks.  Trying to keep constant size and save time for production of identical pieces.  If someone has a way to sand or round off the edges too, it might be a small money maker.  Just a simple non boat design I thought of, that I would like to try, call 54 one-- eighty nine 5 -- 267 niner  or drop a note here.  I need to move on this idea during the summer season.

Thanks,   Cal 



Need some band saw work

Electri-Cal
 

I have a simple project, but it takes a band saw to cut 1/2 inch plywood in stacks.  Trying to keep constant size and save time for production of identical pieces.  If someone has a way to sand or round off the edges too, it might be a small money maker.  Just a simple non boat design I thought of, that I would like to try, call 54 one-- eighty nine 5 -- 267 niner  or drop a note here.  I need to move on this idea during the summer season.

Thanks,   Cal 


Just finished a bearing and re-lube on the boat trailer

Electri-Cal
 

I just did a full rundown and rebuild on trailer axles, newest axle seals, newer lube type I switched to a newer and different bearing seal.  I found some problems even with new factory hubs.  If anybody is interested, I have the different types and info. for a few who might enjoy looking at this stuff.  The latest seal parts are not readily available, but you can see the difference when side by side.  DO NOT, that's NEVER, accept an open pre-package, as the parts are matched down to the cotter pins, correct seal type, and always check for marine rated pre-lubed hub assembly.    I  also switched to Lucas marine trailer lube, one tube will do a full pack or repack with the Bearing Buddy pressure caps. 

I did find one new hub bearing was partly dry -- in the box, from the local Creswell parts store package, so don't trust the pre packaged ones -- without a Bearing Buddy set up.  I replaced seals, and found stuff was wrong to start with.  That's why I  now carry a bearing box in the truck as insurance, and fill the bearing buddys often.  The above was in rebuilding on a trailer that I had not personally done before, so this is a normal "after the buying" service with any new, or used trailer.  NOTE-- Never drive and launch immediately, most know the one cigarette  -- or 15 min. wait -- for bearings to cool from the freeway, so they don't suck water into the hub. 

I keep the grease gun, extra bearings, wood bearing driver, and the kit to fix stuff.  Remember Thunder with the whole axle ripped off, wheel never found, I sure as hell do, don't go there !!!  The bill without AAA rv coverge -- a cool $ 6,000. -- another good investment for any boater and their rig.  Don't be left in the ditch, we have all seen the nasty roadside axle stuff -- UGLY !!  Observations on seals, as I was offered at several auto places. 


Auto parts store --- single gasket trailer seals, not marine, not advised due to water, pressure and corrosion issues.  ( local old time parts house )
Basic anti corrosion plated marine double seals --- still too light and still more corrosive, but most common type.  ( big city chain auto store )
Latest type (teflon, nylon?) with sealed, non corrosive outer cover, easy install - plus heavier double gasket for pressure lubes.  ( @ 7 Roblees trailer )
 
Found the latest good stuff by accident, through a mis placed trust in a complete assembly in one package.  One opened ( and guaranteed full ) container they gave me had been vandalized and "restocked" from sub standard in house parts, in their local shop, bad bananas.  I searched and found the better parts after a 3 hour driving search in town.  I guess 7 Roblees is the source that is worth looking for, a few bucks prevention, ETC.

Later, coots --  Keep on truckin' and boatin' -------  Cal


Re: Fern Ridge, 2018

Hank
 

FANTASTIC POST!!!!   Thank you Dan and John.

Hank in OR

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 4:43 PM, John Kohnen <jkohnen@...> wrote:

Lessee what happens when I try to forward Dan from AlmostCanada's report of the messabout:

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: FW: Fern Ridge, 2018
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 09:06:48 -0700
From: Dan Rogers <DanAshore@...>
To: Dan Rogers <DanAshore@...>


 

 

From: Dan Rogers [mailto:DanAshore@conceptcable.com]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Fern Ridge, 2018

 

Fern Ridge, May, 2018.

 

You see.  It’s like this.  I just spent five days, and towed Lady Bug a bit over a thousand road miles.  Just so, we could attend a two-hour picnic.  And, I never got around to packing a picnic lunch.  The group--at that picnic--is led and organized by a guy who advertises that the group has no leader, nor organization.

 

 

 

 

People join, if they feel they should.  They have some rather conflicting aims and proclivities.  And, nobody pays any dues, nor obeys any rules.  My kinda’ group!  Yours too?

 

Some might say, this odd group of Old Guys have gone back to being adventurous, easy-to-entertain BOYS.

 

 

Most of them, would reply, “I never left!

 

The common glue holding them together is an interest in boats.

 

 

 

Some build ‘em, and then find another home for ‘em.  Some build floating pieces of fine furniture, and lovingly put their creation to the use God Intended.  Some are happy to just show up, and add to the mix.  Quite a group.   This year, we even had several ladies show up for the fun and companionship.

 

 

 

But, mostly, greybeards.  And, puppies.  Boatdogs, all.

 

 

 

Basically, this picnic goes on for two or three days.   Depends upon what you count.  Who, you count too.  “Who,” as in which boats and how they got there.

 

 

 

 

 

This gathering, in a secluded cove, is about the gettin’ there.

 

 

 

There’s a lot of stylin’ going on.

 

 

 

 

Collectively, there’s years of work and dreams that goes into each and every one of these happenings.

 

 

And, I’m quite certain, that’s one of the biggest draws.  The opportunity to show off your Little Girls.  It’s a bit of a procession.

 

 

I’m pretty sure, Lady Bug was happy to join in the fun.

 

 

 

 

Even though, John was right.  We can’t quite beach at the Picnic Park, er, beach.  Almost, though.

 

 

Just about, nonstop, discussions of EVERYTHING. 

 

 

Did I ever tell ya’ about the time, that I…?

 

 

Well, listen-up.  This, REALLY happened…

 

Yeah.  But, that’s not the way I heard it…

 

 

Yep.  Just a bunch of really adventurous Old Guys.  Being the boys, they always were.   No rules.  No prizes.  No dues.

 

 

You really should join us.  Be a COOT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
John (jkohnen@...)
My toast would be, may our country always be successful, but whether successful or otherwise, always right. (John Quincy Adams)



Fern Ridge, 2018

 

Lessee what happens when I try to forward Dan from AlmostCanada's report of the messabout:

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: FW: Fern Ridge, 2018
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 09:06:48 -0700
From: Dan Rogers <DanAshore@...>
To: Dan Rogers <DanAshore@...>


 

 

From: Dan Rogers [mailto:DanAshore@...]
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 9:04 AM
Subject: Fern Ridge, 2018

 

Fern Ridge, May, 2018.

 

You see.  It’s like this.  I just spent five days, and towed Lady Bug a bit over a thousand road miles.  Just so, we could attend a two-hour picnic.  And, I never got around to packing a picnic lunch.  The group--at that picnic--is led and organized by a guy who advertises that the group has no leader, nor organization.

 

 

 

 

People join, if they feel they should.  They have some rather conflicting aims and proclivities.  And, nobody pays any dues, nor obeys any rules.  My kinda’ group!  Yours too?

 

Some might say, this odd group of Old Guys have gone back to being adventurous, easy-to-entertain BOYS.

 

 

Most of them, would reply, “I never left!

 

The common glue holding them together is an interest in boats.

 

 

 

Some build ‘em, and then find another home for ‘em.  Some build floating pieces of fine furniture, and lovingly put their creation to the use God Intended.  Some are happy to just show up, and add to the mix.  Quite a group.   This year, we even had several ladies show up for the fun and companionship.

 

 

 

But, mostly, greybeards.  And, puppies.  Boatdogs, all.

 

 

 

Basically, this picnic goes on for two or three days.   Depends upon what you count.  Who, you count too.  “Who,” as in which boats and how they got there.

 

 

 

 

 

This gathering, in a secluded cove, is about the gettin’ there.

 

 

 

There’s a lot of stylin’ going on.

 

 

 

 

Collectively, there’s years of work and dreams that goes into each and every one of these happenings.

 

 

And, I’m quite certain, that’s one of the biggest draws.  The opportunity to show off your Little Girls.  It’s a bit of a procession.

 

 

I’m pretty sure, Lady Bug was happy to join in the fun.

 

 

 

 

Even though, John was right.  We can’t quite beach at the Picnic Park, er, beach.  Almost, though.

 

 

Just about, nonstop, discussions of EVERYTHING. 

 

 

Did I ever tell ya’ about the time, that I…?

 

 

Well, listen-up.  This, REALLY happened…

 

Yeah.  But, that’s not the way I heard it…

 

 

Yep.  Just a bunch of really adventurous Old Guys.  Being the boys, they always were.   No rules.  No prizes.  No dues.

 

 

You really should join us.  Be a COOT.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-- 
John (jkohnen@...)
My toast would be, may our country always be successful, but whether successful or otherwise, always right. (John Quincy Adams)


Re: New Coot at Big Lagoon!

David Graybeal
 

Cool. Thanks!

David Graybeal
Harbor Woodworks
Portland, OR
503-860-3160
https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/



On Monday, May 21, 2018, 6:18:10 AM PDT, David aka Thorne Luckhardt <david@...> wrote:



Andrew from Bend came down to the Big Lagoon Messabout, and is a fun guy and experienced dinghy racer -- occasionally offshore as he lived in Santa Barbara for quite a while.  Here he is in his fiberglass lapstrake dinghy "Mariposa".

He's exchanged email with John K, and plans on making Paulina this fall.


New Coot at Big Lagoon!

David aka Thorne Luckhardt <david@...>
 


Andrew from Bend came down to the Big Lagoon Messabout, and is a fun guy and experienced dinghy racer -- occasionally offshore as he lived in Santa Barbara for quite a while.  Here he is in his fiberglass lapstrake dinghy "Mariposa".

He's exchanged email with John K, and plans on making Paulina this fall.


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John Weiss
 

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Re: Fern Ridge Spring Messabout Next Weekend, May 18-20

Vince K.
 

I think we're gonna go too. 

Not sure whether to bring the 15' Kaboat with the 2.5hp Suzuki or the Kayak. 

Vince


Re: Thursday Albany Coots Lunch

Dan
 

AlmostCanada has become a sort of “Lost Horizons” place.  When we first moved here, to live on the hard, from a liveaboard 43’ power boat in South San Diego Bay; Dave Lucas was rather disparaging.  He went on about “Dan, that idiot!” who moved FROM San Diego TO a frozen hellhole in almost Canada—where they do have boats.  But, by the time the ice melts, and he has the motor running, it’s frozen over again…”  And, this year, there’s a grain of truth in Dave’s admonition.  It’s become customary for me to take pictures of my Tiki Hut ball cap—that I traded some rather powerful local-produced craft ale for—juxtaposed over water scenes with, preferably, a bit of ice and snow in the picture.  I send ‘em off to Dave with the proper levels of obsequiousness and mock obeisance.

 

At any event, when I came to build what Kim Apel and Chuck Leinweber termed franken boats, I incorporated the Frankenwerke meme into the end-of-civilization meme.  I believe that was about the time I acquired a hull from a still-alive German Luftwaffe pilot, who was living in Newport, WA.  He had survived the war, and a Russian POW camp, raised a family in California, and had come here to be with his daughter and son-in-law.  Or they had come from CA because he was here.  Or some such.  Turns out, the other half of that in-law contingent had been wounded, as an American Dogface, at the Battle of the Bulge. 

 

The whole caboodle has a lot of background themes for the stories I seem disposed to write.

 

Gotta go get the Conestoga outa’ the barn and grease up them hubs ‘fer the trek down outa’ these mountains, so we can find that Oregon Trail.  Denny’s or bust!

 

Dan


This week got busy, Darn !

Electri-Cal
 

Would love to do Thurs., but summer looong days, and star parties have arrived.  The star clusters are now programmed on La Vernes phone. Cool, any time any place you can look at the screen, there are the constellations.  Not just overhead, but point it down, and follow the southern cross !!  Real sky, real time and moving named patterns, as they happen.  Betcha the navigators would love to have had that in their sea chest.

Next week will be easier, I hope -----  Cal



Thursday Albany Coots Lunch

 

I invited Dan from AlmostCanada to join the Coots for lunch Thursday. If all goes well on his trek from AlmostCanada (I don't know why he calls it that, I think it's more AlmostIdaho <g>) he'll be staying in Philomath Wednesday night. I figured some of the Albanian and Lebanese Coots would be showing up even though there's a messabout Saturday.

1:00 (but folks turn up early) in the bar in the back of the Denny's just east of the Highway 20 exit off I-5:

https://goo.gl/maps/12aC2vyqMbB2

It looks like the weather is gonna be nice for the messabout at Fern Ridge this coming weekend:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/FernRidgeWX

http://www.coots.org/mb/FernRidge/

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Don't tell fish stories where the people know you; but particularly, don't tell them where they know the fish. (Mark Twain)


Monday Boating? (was: Handsome Tugboat/Fireboat)

 

Shorpy has a lot of neat old photos, scanned from glass plate negatives and offered in large, high resolution images.

I can meet you at Fern Ridge tomorrow for a boat test, Cal. Pearl is at Richardson Park. Anybody want to make a lunch messabout out of it?

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1XHKRPdGWSuHdZVtvGGEEyOdhTRI&usp=sharing

On 5/12/2018 6:12 AM, Electri-Cal wrote:
Got that right, John !!  Interesting site too, saved that for later perusal.
maybe I’ll do a boat wetting, with the new additions, next week.  Can’t do it Thurs.  cause it has the lower drives, at the freeway lakes. Maybe Monday in fact, as I have the whole day free.  Next weekend we will be in Bend, and I would like a few more pix before that visitation.
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. (Robert A. Heinlein)


Re: Fern Ridge Spring Messabout Next Weekend, May 18-20

Dan
 

Ahoy.  Dan Rogers here.

 

I’m going to give FR a go this next week.  I brought the wrong type boat last year, and will be coming with a blowboat this time.  Perhaps, more a fiberglass pup tent that floats, referring to the accommodation.  At any event, I’ll likely go to my son’s in Philomath on Wednesday night, and on to FR Thursday.  John:  I left a message with your electronic gate keeper.  Perhaps, your people could call my people(?)

 

Dan

509-447-2197


Re: Handsome Tugboat/Fireboat

Electri-Cal
 

Got that right, John !!  Interesting site too, saved that for later perusal.  

 

maybe I’ll do a boat wetting, with the new additions, next week.  Can’t do it Thurs.  cause it has the lower drives, at the freeway lakes.  Maybe Monday in fact, as I have the whole day free.  Next weekend we will be in Bend, and I would like a few more pix before that visitation.

 

Later,  Cal

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Kohnen
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 8:01 PM
To: Oregon Coots
Subject: [oregoncoots] Handsome Tugboat/Fireboat

 

To my eye this is a particularly handsome vessel, and an interesting

harbor scene. Click on the image for a large view:

 

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yae34ke2

 

or

 

http://www.shorpy.com/node/23358?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+shorpy+%28Shorpy+-+The+100-Year-Old+Photo+Blog%29

 

Bill Lafferty over on the Maritime History mailing list did some

digging. "It was built by Brooks at East Boston in 1895. 97.9 x 27 x

10.4;  178 gt, 121 nt;  double compound steam engine, 18-36 x 24,

750-ihp.  In 1919 the Boston fire department named its boats in honor of

former Boston firemen lost in the Great War, and it became /Angus J.

McDonald/, who died serving in the Army in 1918.  In 1931 it was

assigned the Engine Number 31 and was withdrawn from service in 1947."

 

http://marmuseum.ca/index.php/research/marhst-l-research-resources

 

Who doesn't love tugboats? :o)

 

--

John (jkohnen@...)

Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men

should look on and do nothing. (John Stuart Mill)

 

 

 

 


Fern Ridge Spring Messabout Next Weekend, May 18-20

 

The Fern Ridge Spring Messabout is coming up next weeks. The lake is full and I'm working on the Weatherman to get him to provide good weather. <g>

http://www.coots.org/mb/FernRidge/

Call Sarah at the Richardson Park office for info on renting a slip or reserving a campsite:

541-935-2005
rpkoffice1@yahoo.com

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
I just think it's rather odd that a nation that prides itself on its virility should feel compelled to strap on forty pounds of protective gear just in order to play rugby. (Rupert Giles on American football)


Handsome Tugboat/Fireboat

 

To my eye this is a particularly handsome vessel, and an interesting harbor scene. Click on the image for a large view:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yae34ke2

or

http://www.shorpy.com/node/23358?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+shorpy+%28Shorpy+-+The+100-Year-Old+Photo+Blog%29

Bill Lafferty over on the Maritime History mailing list did some digging. "It was built by Brooks at East Boston in 1895. 97.9 x 27 x 10.4; 178 gt, 121 nt; double compound steam engine, 18-36 x 24, 750-ihp. In 1919 the Boston fire department named its boats in honor of former Boston firemen lost in the Great War, and it became /Angus J. McDonald/, who died serving in the Army in 1918. In 1931 it was assigned the Engine Number 31 and was withdrawn from service in 1947."

http://marmuseum.ca/index.php/research/marhst-l-research-resources

Who doesn't love tugboats? :o)

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. (John Stuart Mill)


Re: Another hour on the Klickitat

Electri-Cal
 

That's a good idea, and a good looking tool John.  Mine is decades older and takes a lot more of a blow to work.  That can either twist off a head, which takes hollow shank drills to get out (or epoxy over, eh, eh ! ) or can drive the whole shebang deep into soft wood, which doesn't help the rebuild process.  Mechanics often use the smaller reverse "outer" sets, but our screws are mostly too small.  Might be the best idea is to get the specialty hollow core outer set for those wood screws that break -- then matching dowels to fit. Woodworking shops have these in sets, or on line.

Another tool for small areas is my old 90 deg. add on tool with a chuck - a bit clumsy, and will tear your hand off with any larger hole saw.  However, a screw shank remover set will remove shanks, for a sealing plug -- and in way tighter spaces.  I'm looking to get a battery type 90 deg. drill for even tighter spaces, I have the batteries from my Xmas - Milwaukee's heated jacket, so the bare tool is a great addition for kayak work, among a lot of other stuff.  H Freight also has a good looking 90 deg. unit.

One way that is more expensive, of course, is to get a drill/driver that has the impact action also built in,  I think they are more controllable than an impact driver.  Many adjustable blows might work better than a frustrated guy with a big hammer.  UH !!  Been there, and done that myself, maybe time to visit Lowe's again, I'm liking their selection and prices, thanks to Myles Swift's introduction to the west 11 th store.  Been buying more stuff there lately than I thought. 

Just felt like typing I guess, geeeze !!  too long a reply, ----  Cal

  

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