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NOW OPEN! On-Water SAIL Standards: Rubrics National Survey

John Weiss
 

[Bcc to TSCA Chapter leaders]

Paul: Post on the web site, please.

All:

Last year the paddle sports rubrics were developed, and we participated in the survey on those proposed standards. Now it appears the sail standards are ready for review.

Since it is likely that these standards will be used in developing future course material, it is to our advantage to weigh in on their development. If they follow the paddle sports paradigm, some of the proposed beginners' standards will be well beyond the ability of many beginners, and might tend to turn people away from formal safety courses.

Please participate in the survey by following the link below, and pass the word to your chapter members.

-------- Original Message --------
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2014 17:37:05 -0400
From: On-Water Standards <onwaterstandards@outlook.com>

USCG Empanelled Standards/Rubrics Experts Team Launches National
Validation Survey

Portsmouth, RI (August 5, 2014) � A team of experts assembled with
U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) grant funding seeks national content validation
of SAIL boat operation standards/rubrics that will be freely available
to the boating public. This is your opportunity to impact the
development of free recreational paddling and rowing (canoes, kayaks,
rowboats, paddleboards, etc.) standards/rubrics that can be voluntarily
used by educators when developing boating courses. You may participate
by completing this on-line survey.

WHAT: The National On-Water Standards Team, funded by USCG grants, is
seeking input from recreational sailboat educators across the nation on
a set of rubrics used to describesailing skills at the entry level.
Following the survey, the rubrics will be updated to reflect input from
sailors nationwide and eventually be validated and updated though a
national field-testing program.

WHERE: https://www.research.net/s/sailrubrics

WHEN: The survey will be conducted August 5 � September 4, 2014.

WHO: Recreational sail boating enthusiasts and especially those with
experience in On-Water teaching or training are urged to participate in
an on-line survey designed to collect feedback on the content of these
voluntary entry-level, skill-based standards/rubrics for recreational
sailing.

WHY: By completing this survey you will have a voice in the design of
a national set of SAIL boating standards for sailors to be made freely
available for voluntary application in beginner boating courses. This
effort is part of the US Coast Guard�s (USCG) vision of a National
System of Standards for Recreational Boat Operation � that will
organize
both classroom and on-water standards within a comprehensive system of
recreational boating education. The system will address standards for
three domains of recreational boating: SAIL, POWER and HUMAN propulsion.

US Sailing has been awarded grant funding from the U.S. Coast Guard to
facilitate a consensus-based process by which a team of diverse SMEs
from across the recreational boating community develop entry level,
skill-based performance standards for recreational boat operation. An
objective grant facilitator is designing and managing the collaborative
development of SAIL, POWER and HUMAN propelled standards that will be
made freely available and recognized (not mandated) by the US Coast
Guard for voluntary incorporation in beginner level recreational boating training programs.

CONTACT: For more information, please contact K. Brian Dorval,
On-Water Standards Facilitator at 716-994-2842 or
brian@thinkfirstserve.com


Re: [MessaboutW] Fancy Seamanship in the North Atlantic

Frank E Mabrey
 

http://explore-art.pem.org/object/maritime/M11195/detail

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Subject: [MessaboutW] Fancy Seamanship in the North Atlantic

The famous Western Ocean packet ship Dreadnought, the one the song was written about, and her equally famous skipper:

"Sailed from Liverpool for New York. Five days out she encountered a severe gale and lost her rudder. Captain Samuels broke a leg and was almost washed overboard. Having failed to rig a jury-rudder, the ship was sailed backwards under Captain Samuels' directions towards Fayal.
Continued to New York after 52 days of repairs."

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Clippers/Dreadnought(1853).html

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Re: Fern Ridge Boat Show Saturday!

Mark Albanese
 

I'm entering
the no phone zone at Dorena new .

Scott emailed me but I can't get him to answer a call.

I'll be at FR Friday aft, hoping the paint still looks this good three days from now.

mark

On Aug 5, 2014 2:29 PM, "'John Kohnen' jkohnen@... [MessaboutW]" <MessaboutW@...> wrote:
If you haven't signed up yet to show your boat in the water, please
contact me or Scott right away! Likewise if you want a slip for Friday and
Saturday nights. Exhibitors get free slips Friday and Saturday nights, and
free overnight parking passes. If you want to display your boat on land
you should let us know as soon as you can, but in a pinch we'll find room
for you anyway...

Scott
541-954-7223
scott at skookummarine.com

Scott and/or Steve N may have already called or emailed those of you
who've already signed up. If not, they will. They'll be asking for a bit
of info on your boat for a placard, so be prepared.

It looks like there's gonna be a good turnout of boats. Should be a fun
day! :o)

--
John (jkohnen@...)
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are
the divinely provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever
they are on the brink of starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy
sends them a nice plump missionary. (Oscar Wilde)


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Re: [MessaboutW] Pics from last week are up

 

Looks like you're having Too Much fun down there. ;o(

On Tue, 05 Aug 2014 09:54:07 -0700, Andrew wrote:

Last weeks pics are up! Things are really moving.
http://toledocommunityboathouse.com/2014/140802_boathouse/index.htm
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
There are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music
and cats. (Albert Schweitzer)


Fern Ridge Boat Show Saturday!

 

If you haven't signed up yet to show your boat in the water, please contact me or Scott right away! Likewise if you want a slip for Friday and Saturday nights. Exhibitors get free slips Friday and Saturday nights, and free overnight parking passes. If you want to display your boat on land you should let us know as soon as you can, but in a pinch we'll find room for you anyway...

Scott
541-954-7223
scott at skookummarine.com

Scott and/or Steve N may have already called or emailed those of you who've already signed up. If not, they will. They'll be asking for a bit of info on your boat for a placard, so be prepared.

It looks like there's gonna be a good turnout of boats. Should be a fun day! :o)

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are
the divinely provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever
they are on the brink of starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy
sends them a nice plump missionary. (Oscar Wilde)


Fancy Seamanship in the North Atlantic

 

The famous Western Ocean packet ship Dreadnought, the one the song was written about, and her equally famous skipper:

"Sailed from Liverpool for New York. Five days out she encountered a
severe gale and lost her rudder. Captain Samuels broke a leg and was
almost washed overboard. Having failed to rig a jury-rudder, the ship
was sailed backwards under Captain Samuels' directions towards Fayal.
Continued to New York after 52 days of repairs."

http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Ships/Clippers/Dreadnought(1853).html

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never
incinerated by bolts of lightning. (Bill Watterson)


Pics from last week are up

Andrew Linn
 

Last weeks pics are up! Things are really moving.
http://toledocommunityboathouse.com/2014/140802_boathouse/index.htm


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Toledo Show

 

The Coots and other exhibitors usually use the launch ramp Downriver from Toledo by the airport; it's a good ramp with plenty of parking. It will be "upstream" (uptide) from Toledo Friday afternoon. It'll be "upstream" again when you want to get back to it Sunday afternoon, but that's not a problem for boats with even small motors (but maybe a problem if you've only got an electric trolling motor...) -- the tides aren't fierce that weekend. Tows from motorboats can usually be arranged, if needed. Or stay over until Monday and have the tide behind you Monday morning.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/14644472380/in/set-72157640933167354

Here is a topo map of the Yaquina River near Toledo showing the ramp location:

http://www.coots.org/MapImages/YaquinaMap-02.png

And a Google map:

http://goo.gl/maps/HghWC

Tides:

Friday Fri 2014-08-15
High Tide: 5:08 AM PDT 7.2
Low Tide: 11:17 AM PDT 0.9
High Tide: 5:30 PM PDT 8.4

Saturday Sat 2014-08-16
Low Tide: 12:16 AM PDT 0.6
High Tide: 6:14 AM PDT 6.5
Low Tide: 12:06 PM PDT 1.6
High Tide: 6:21 PM PDT 8.2

Sunday Sun 2014-08-17 Last Quarter Moon
Low Tide: 1:24 AM PDT 0.7
High Tide: 7:29 AM PDT 5.9
Low Tide: 1:03 PM PDT 2.2
High Tide: 7:18 PM PDT 7.9

Monday Mon 2014-08-18
Low Tide: 2:35 AM PDT 0.7
High Tide: 8:53 AM PDT 5.6
Low Tide: 2:10 PM PDT 2.6
High Tide: 8:20 PM PDT 7.7

On Mon, 04 Aug 2014 06:03:05 -0700, Dan R wrote:

...
there is a launch ramp upstream from your venue that most of the small craft
exhibitors use....
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
A man who is "ill-adjusted" to the world is always on the verge
of finding himself. One who is adjusted to the world never finds
himself, but gets to be a cabinet minister. (Hermann Hesse)


Re: Toledo Show

Dan
 

Thank you, John, Case & Andy!

 

This is the short note I sent to the POT folks:

 

Good Morning:

 

I’m planning on attending the wooden boat show this month, and would appreciate information on some of the how, where, and when’s.  I understand there is a launch ramp upstream from your venue that most of the small craft exhibitors use.  And the COOTS forum members have offered descriptions of that.  However, I believe you folks provide the pier space for visiting boats. I expect to bring a small (14’) motor launch with a 9 foot sailing dinghy in tow.  Preferably, I’ll keep both boats in the water for the entire event—perhaps arriving on Thursday afternoon. 

 

Additionally, my intention is to dry camp in my tow vehicle, at or near the exhibition site, if possible.  If that is not permitted or otherwise a poor option, do you have other recommendations?  And, finally, are there public showers anyplace nearby? 

 

Thanks, very much.

           

Dan Rogers

462 Diamond Dr.

Newport, WA  99156

509-447-2197

DanAshore@...

 

 

And, now, one more lay-of-the-land question.  If I should come from the east, by way of the Cascade Lakes district adjacent to Bend and LaPine; am I going to wish I wasn’t towing a trailer with a homeless van on that highway over the mountains?  Years ago, while Route 66-ing with Lady Bug I hit some of those lakes via the main drag north from Klamath Falls, etc.  As I recall, (in the antediluvian days before GPS) I got quite lost around Wikiup Reservoir (following the launch ramp signs) and shredded a trailer tire on one of those rock road beds out there.  I’m guessing the wagon trail west is better than that.  And, also, since then Les Schwab and I have become travelling companions.

 

Peyton and I are looking forward to entering COOT-dom, and doing all the COOT-stuff in a couple weeks!

 

Thanks, again.

 

Dan


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Toledo Show

 

The Toledo show is a friendly, low-key event, with a mix of boats ranging from somewhat ratty to shiny varnish. Nobody's snobbish (except maybe a bit of Cootish reverse snobbery <g>). Some exhibitors sleep on their boats, many camp on an old mill site next to the show. You'll fit right in, Dan. <g>

Some kids from Toledo High School (the Boomers) took some footage of the show last year, some of it from Sparkin' Joe's electric launch, and made it into a nice video. You can see me if you look quick at the end! <g>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qW1FXmMo8

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/9620170508/in/set-72157635282317956

http://portoftoledo.org/wooden-boat-show-2/

On Sun, 03 Aug 2014 09:14:30 -0700, Dan R wrote:

...
I have a couple etiquette questions. My own
messabout background was shaped by years as a SCUZBUM. So, please pardon my ignorance.


Is the Toledo show just for displaying show-quality boats for an essentially
land-arriving public audience? Or, do you accommodate water-borne
arrivals/activity participants-such as myself-who might come by boat?
Basically, is there dock space for less-than-elegant vessels from foreign
lands (Almostcanada in this case)?
...
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-
tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and
truth. (H. L. Mencken)


Free Boat!

 

Sometimes free boats end up being the most expensive. ;o) Someone over on the Fern Ridge group spotted this ad from about a week ago. The boat may still be there:

http://eugene.craigslist.org/zip/4589119783.html

--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
The security of the Kingdom is increased by every man being more
or less a sailor. (Capt. Marryat)


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Toledo Show

Case Turner
 

Hey Dan,

He camping is right at the show grounds. Most launch then catch a ride back to the ramp to retrieve launch vehicles. It's pretty easy to get a coot to help with that.

Your nephew will have a great time. Both my boys 13, and 8 will be there with their own kayaks. They've been looking forward to the show since last year!

Case

Aka dirtsailor

Sent from not here

On Aug 3, 2014, at 10:16 AM, "Andrew Linn alinn@andrewlinn.com [MessaboutW]" <MessaboutW@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi, Dan. You are going to find yourself among friends, no matter if you
are a yacht-man, sailor, or builder. Your nephew is going to have a
blast as well - as manager of the Toledo Community Boathouse, I'll make
sure of that. :)

Less-than-elegant is more the norm than the exception - all we really
like is people on the water. The Boat Show works best when folks talk to
the people.

I recommend you contact the Port of Toledo to get all the details on
camping, dock space, etc. You'll find them helpful, informative, and
enthusiastic. The email address is
info@portoftoledo.org

It's best if the know who/what is coming so they can plan the dock space
accordingly.


On 8/3/2014 9:14 AM, 'Dan' danashore@conceptcable.com [MessaboutW] wrote:

Dan Rogers here.

I’ve been violating the sacred compact with summer and working indoors
for a couple days. The project has been to assemble what I’ll loosely
call a “messabout rig.” It’s a long-nascent idea where I expect to
haul both a small motor boat and a small sailboat on the same trailer.
I’d like to try it out on your Toledo meet, but I have a couple
etiquette questions. My own messabout background was shaped by years
as a SCUZBUM. So, please pardon my ignorance.

Is the Toledo show just for displaying show-quality boats for an
essentially land-arriving public audience? Or, do you accommodate
water-borne arrivals/activity participants—such as myself—who might
come by boat? Basically, is there dock space for less-than-elegant
vessels from foreign lands (Almostcanada in this case)?

My plan has been to bring my 8-year old nephew, in the hopes that he
can join in with the family activities I believe you guys put on at
your boat shop. Assuming that the answer to my first question is
“yes,” then we expect to camp out in my tow vehicle/homeless van.
Should we figure to do that at the upriver launch ramp area? Or, am I
completely mis-reading the smoke signals, and that idea won’t work?

Thanks,

Dan

/Shenanigan /and /Limerick///

Diamond Lake, WA



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Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Toledo Show

Andrew Linn
 

Hi, Dan. You are going to find yourself among friends, no matter if you are a yacht-man, sailor, or builder. Your nephew is going to have a blast as well - as manager of the Toledo Community Boathouse, I'll make sure of that. :)

Less-than-elegant is more the norm than the exception - all we really like is people on the water. The Boat Show works best when folks talk to the people.

I recommend you contact the Port of Toledo to get all the details on camping, dock space, etc. You'll find them helpful, informative, and enthusiastic. The email address is
info@portoftoledo.org

It's best if the know who/what is coming so they can plan the dock space accordingly.

On 8/3/2014 9:14 AM, 'Dan' danashore@conceptcable.com [MessaboutW] wrote:

Dan Rogers here.

I�ve been violating the sacred compact with summer and working indoors for a couple days. The project has been to assemble what I�ll loosely call a �messabout rig.� It�s a long-nascent idea where I expect to haul both a small motor boat and a small sailboat on the same trailer. I�d like to try it out on your Toledo meet, but I have a couple etiquette questions. My own messabout background was shaped by years as a SCUZBUM. So, please pardon my ignorance.

Is the Toledo show just for displaying show-quality boats for an essentially land-arriving public audience? Or, do you accommodate water-borne arrivals/activity participants�such as myself�who might come by boat? Basically, is there dock space for less-than-elegant vessels from foreign lands (Almostcanada in this case)?

My plan has been to bring my 8-year old nephew, in the hopes that he can join in with the family activities I believe you guys put on at your boat shop. Assuming that the answer to my first question is �yes,� then we expect to camp out in my tow vehicle/homeless van. Should we figure to do that at the upriver launch ramp area? Or, am I completely mis-reading the smoke signals, and that idea won�t work?

Thanks,

Dan

/Shenanigan /and /Limerick///

Diamond Lake, WA


Re: Toledo Show

Dan
 

Dan Rogers here.

 

I’ve been violating the sacred compact with summer and working indoors for a couple days.  The project has been to assemble what I’ll loosely call a “messabout rig.”  It’s a long-nascent idea where I expect to haul both a small motor boat and a small sailboat on the same trailer.  I’d like to try it out on your Toledo meet, but I have a couple etiquette questions.  My own messabout background was shaped by years as a SCUZBUM.  So, please pardon my ignorance.

 

Is the Toledo show just for displaying show-quality boats for an essentially land-arriving public audience?  Or, do you accommodate water-borne arrivals/activity participants—such as myself—who might come by boat?  Basically, is there dock space for less-than-elegant vessels from foreign lands (Almostcanada in this case)?

 

My plan has been to bring my 8-year old nephew, in the hopes that he can join in with the family activities I believe you guys put on at your boat shop.  Assuming that the answer to my first question is “yes,” then we expect to camp out in my tow vehicle/homeless van.  Should we figure to do that at the upriver launch ramp area?  Or, am I completely mis-reading the smoke signals, and that idea won’t work?

 

Thanks,

 

Dan

Shenanigan and Limerick

Diamond Lake, WA

 

 


Re: [MessaboutW] Toledo Show

 

I'm a chicken, so I just stay close to the outside of the bend, starting by going close to the shipyard to look at the boats. <g> Oceangoing ships used to tie up at the bulkhead on the outside of the bend by the defunct sawmill. Big Alaska crabbers and other large fishing boats still come up to Toledo to have work done at Yaquina Boat Equipment on Depot Slough. There's plenty of water for our little boats at any stage of the tide if you stay on the river side of all pilings and stay on the outside of the bend. It's really quite easy, as long as you don't get tempted to take a shortcut because you see water on the inside. <g>

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/2855398098/in/set-72157607275622234

I've attached a bit of the NOAA nautical chart of the river, from the ramp to Depot Slough.

On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 20:36:05 -0700, John W wrote:

OK. Thanks! From the Google satellite photo, it looks "dirtier" on the
outside of the bend! Do I have to stay north of that apparent bar 2/3
of the way north of the south shore? Are the pilings shown in your
Flickr photo apparent, and do they reasonably mark the sand bar?

I need about 6" rowing; 2' sailing. How deep should it be at that 8.4
high tide Fri afternoon?
...
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you
going to speak it to? (Clarence Darrow)


Re: [MessaboutW] Toledo Show

John Weiss
 

OK. Thanks! From the Google satellite photo, it looks "dirtier" on the outside of the bend! Do I have to stay north of that apparent bar 2/3 of the way north of the south shore? Are the pilings shown in your Flickr photo apparent, and do they reasonably mark the sand bar?

I need about 6" rowing; 2' sailing. How deep should it be at that 8.4 high tide Fri afternoon?

Good news is that should I run aground on gravel or sand at low speed, I can push it off...

On 8/2/2014 7:27 PM, 'John Kohnen' wrote:
If it was easy to see the hazards of that shortcut on the inside of the
bend upriver from the shipyard we wouldn't need to warn you, would we? ;o)
Nord Vinden could probably sneak through with rudder and CB up if you can
see water, but if you miscalculate on a falling tide you're gonna be stuck
for a while...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/9620192182/in/set-72157635282317956/

That shortcut has trapped several Coots in the past, so just be sure to
stick to the outside of the bend. I've marked it on this Google map:

http://goo.gl/maps/DXFpE
On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:57:15 -0700, John W wrote:

Where is that shortcut to avoid? I can't see an obvious one in the
google map. I see a couple apparent rocks just south and west of the
Depot Slough entrance...


Re: [MessaboutW] Toledo Show

 

If it was easy to see the hazards of that shortcut on the inside of the bend upriver from the shipyard we wouldn't need to warn you, would we? ;o) Nord Vinden could probably sneak through with rudder and CB up if you can see water, but if you miscalculate on a falling tide you're gonna be stuck for a while...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/9620192182/in/set-72157635282317956/

That shortcut has trapped several Coots in the past, so just be sure to stick to the outside of the bend. I've marked it on this Google map:

http://goo.gl/maps/DXFpE

On Fri, 01 Aug 2014 17:57:15 -0700, John W wrote:

Where is that shortcut to avoid? I can't see an obvious one in the
google map. I see a couple apparent rocks just south and west of the
Depot Slough entrance...
--
John (jkohnen@boat-links.com)
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the
truth. (Alfred North Whitehead)


Re: [MessaboutW] Toledo Show

John Weiss
 

Where is that shortcut to avoid? I can't see an obvious one in the google map. I see a couple apparent rocks just south and west of the Depot Slough entrance...

On 7/29/2014 1:21 PM, 'John Kohnen' wrote:
I forgot to mention that the boat show is at the Toledo port docks in
Depot Slough. The slough is easy to find because an unusual tubular
conveyor crosses its mouth. A hard landmark to miss.<g>

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jkohnen/6417560487/in/set-72157628187399047

And DON'T TRY TO TAKE A SHORTCUT ACROSS THE INSIDE OF THE BEND JUST UP
FROM THE SHIPYARD!


Re: [MessaboutW] Re: Activities at the Boathouse

Andrew Linn
 

10-2. Come on by.

On 7/31/2014 8:40 PM, boblark@proaxis.com [MessaboutW] wrote:

Andrew- What hours on Sat (2 Aug)?

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Re: Activities at the Boathouse

boblark@...
 

Andrew- What hours on Sat (2 Aug)? 

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