I think I'll stick to simple, "Quick and dirty",
plywood, "Box Boats"
I get enough "Detail Work" building funiture.
I try not to have to do a lot of bending, but have
done it. Built a "Sleigh Bed" once with "Sleigh curved"
Head and footboards. Once was enough. "I don't do those."

I do have a "Bander" if you ever want to borrow it.
1/2" steel banding. It sucks things up pretty tight.
Is that what you were talking about for help in bending?
You can use it,I'll watch.

Do have fun with your daughter. Make the time.
It goes So Fast. Money can't buy back the times.

Pat

No valves? No "Hit and Miss." Darn. That was cool.

That starting proceedure must have been fun 30 miles
offshore at night in a storm. (Fire?)
Sounds a lot like my "Dream".

That's when "Men were Men."

Pat

--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

My Gray is pretty dull compared to some of the machinery at the

Brooks

fest: no exposed valve gear (no valves!); no make and break

ignition; no

hit or miss governor... Once it's running all it does is "phutt,

phutt,

phutt!" with the big flywheel spinning. You can watch the timing

gears go

around out in the open air (don't get your fingers caught in them!)

and the

ignition timer jumps around a bit because of a worn commutator,

buts it's

not the sort of performance that makes you just want to stare at it

trying

to figure out how it works.

There were moments of excitement when I first tried starting it

though. The

spark comes from a "buzz coil" like model Ts used. Instead of

working

itself up to produce one (hopefully) mighty spark at the right

moment like

a modern car coil, a buzz coil starts buzzing at the right moment

and

produces a continuous stream of sparks until the timer tells it to

stop. I

pulled the spark plug to see what kind of spark I could get, turned

the

engine over 'til the coil started buzzing, and that plug started

hissing

with an arc like a welding machine! Smoke began curling off the end

of the

plug as bits of fouling burned off-- it was kinda scary! No problem

with

spark, I almost always got a pop of some sort when I bounced the

flywheel

back.

The steps when starting the engine cold are to open the priming

cup, turn

the engine until the air stops blowing out of the cup; pour some

gasoline

into the cup; turn the engine over a few times to suck the gas into

the

cylinder (if you weren't all the way to top dead center when you

started

some of the gas might blow back out of the cup, as it might also on

the

second revolution-- keep a fire extinguisher handy!), you'll know

it's all

in there when you hear the engine suck and blow air through the

priming

cup; close the priming cup; set the spark advance and throttle

levers where

you think they should be; turn on the ignition switch; grab the

flywheel by

the rim and rock it slowly in the direction you want the engine to

go until

you feel it start to come up against compression (so you have some

free

play); take a strong grip on the flywheel (no handle) and pull it

sharply

up against compression in the _opposite_ direction than you want

the engine

to run; there'll be a "pop" and with luck the engine will spin over
compression in the direction you want it to go, "pop" again, and

again, and

again... If not, repeat the above steps as necessary... It's

definitely

going to take some practice to get the hang of the process.

Roger Fletcher seems like a nice fellow, I talked with him a bit at

the

Depoe bay festival.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:36:52 -0000, Pat wrote:

John,
I have no life.
I had a dream last night about you trying to start your Gray.
It was kind of a cross between starting an engine and trying
to set off cannon. Lots of sparks and fire. In the dream
you finally got it going.
...
The Brooks show was my first exposure to those engines.
And what an exposure. I think I could have spent hours
watching just one of them, trying to figure out how they
do all the amazing things they do.
Very cool.
...
I accidentally ran into Roger Fletcher in the parking lot of the
Molalla Sentry Market.
...

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
There are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music

and cats.

<Albert Schweitzer>

Should be done in time. I'm really making progress now that I
have most of the frames in. I'd guess a week or so from now.
Plenty of time. If you are planning a lapstrake, my only advice
would be to NOT use Doug Fir unless you don't have tight
curves. A "normal" sized boat would probably be OK, but on
something small like this it sucks. The stuff is just to stiff to
bend the right way without breaking. Cedar would have been
much better (as the instructions indicated :) ). Oh well, who
actually reads instructions?

This would be kid number one, and I hope she DOES fit, at least
for a week or two!

John, the frame bending is nearly all done, two tough ones to go.
My advice would be to steam until they get flexible, then put them
back in! I keep breaking them in my impatience. It might be
easier on a bigger boat with wider turns to make, but the wood
would be thicker too. Patience is the key I think, which is why I
have so much trouble! Oh, and making jigs really helps as well.
I made a couple out of plywood so I could clamp the frames to
the jig as they came out, this really reduced my breakage. I have
seen people use strapping (like the stuff they use to hold cargo
to pallets) on the back side of wood being bent on a jig. Used
mainly for steaming recurves into wooden bows, but it helps
keep the back of the wood from starting to separate and causing
a break. Just a little extra support. On a bigger project with
heavier wood, I would really think about doing that.

My Gray is pretty dull compared to some of the machinery at the Brooks
fest: no exposed valve gear (no valves!); no make and break ignition; no
hit or miss governor... Once it's running all it does is "phutt, phutt,
phutt!" with the big flywheel spinning. You can watch the timing gears go
around out in the open air (don't get your fingers caught in them!) and the
ignition timer jumps around a bit because of a worn commutator, buts it's
not the sort of performance that makes you just want to stare at it trying
to figure out how it works.

There were moments of excitement when I first tried starting it though. The
spark comes from a "buzz coil" like model Ts used. Instead of working
itself up to produce one (hopefully) mighty spark at the right moment like
a modern car coil, a buzz coil starts buzzing at the right moment and
produces a continuous stream of sparks until the timer tells it to stop. I
pulled the spark plug to see what kind of spark I could get, turned the
engine over 'til the coil started buzzing, and that plug started hissing
with an arc like a welding machine! Smoke began curling off the end of the
plug as bits of fouling burned off-- it was kinda scary! No problem with
spark, I almost always got a pop of some sort when I bounced the flywheel
back.

The steps when starting the engine cold are to open the priming cup, turn
the engine until the air stops blowing out of the cup; pour some gasoline
into the cup; turn the engine over a few times to suck the gas into the
cylinder (if you weren't all the way to top dead center when you started
some of the gas might blow back out of the cup, as it might also on the
second revolution-- keep a fire extinguisher handy!), you'll know it's all
in there when you hear the engine suck and blow air through the priming
cup; close the priming cup; set the spark advance and throttle levers where
you think they should be; turn on the ignition switch; grab the flywheel by
the rim and rock it slowly in the direction you want the engine to go until
you feel it start to come up against compression (so you have some free
play); take a strong grip on the flywheel (no handle) and pull it sharply
up against compression in the _opposite_ direction than you want the engine
to run; there'll be a "pop" and with luck the engine will spin over
compression in the direction you want it to go, "pop" again, and again, and
again... If not, repeat the above steps as necessary... It's definitely
going to take some practice to get the hang of the process.

Roger Fletcher seems like a nice fellow, I talked with him a bit at the
Depoe bay festival.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
There are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music and cats.
<Albert Schweitzer>

That's amazing! They sure were lucky! I'll bet they were so overcome by
their good fotune that they just plain forgot to reimburse the insurance
company when those belongings miraculously reappeared after the fire. The
Lorf works in mysterious ways...

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
When I think of the number of disagreeable people that I know have gone
to a better world, I am sure hell won't be so bad at all. <Mark Twain>

Chris-

That's a pretty little thing! Should look real nice when you get it
finished. Let us know how the frame bending goes, Bryn and I will be doing
some of that ourselves one of these days for our motorboats.

Don't those dust masks work better when you wear them over your nose and
mouth?

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
The trouble with the school of experience
is that the graduates are too old to go to work. <Henry Ford>

boat4.jpg Nice Hat (glad you're wearing a mask. I've been
a woodworker for many years and haven't and it shows.)

Very Nice Boat too.
That's about the size lapstrake I might be able to tackle.
Looks like it's turning out great. Gonna be done in time?
Pics of Baby in Tender will be great in a few years, when you
say "How did She/He fit in that?"

Good luck on both your projects.

Is this Kid Number One ?

We did One and quit. That was enought for us.
I've learned a lot with him. Gives life a whole new perspective.
Get to look through Kid's eyes again. Great

Have fun
Pat

Finally got some pictures back and got them scanned. The cradle is
further along than this, but it's the best I could do. I may have
uploaded them in the wrong place, sorry about that. Not much of
a "boat", but a heck of a project, and it LOOKS like a boat. Close
enough?

It was a miracle.
The neighbor's mobile home fire started only about
half an hour after the wife and her younger sister
had been out to get the last of the contents of
trailer.
The insurance was to run out in just a couple of days.
The miracle was that many of the items reported as
being lost in the fire miraculously appeared in their
new home. Glory be.

The Rapid Robert is pictured on the site where the trailer
sat 20 odd years ago. We were able to add 4 1/2 acres
to our estate. (Boat Storage)

Pat



--- In MessaboutW@y..., pateson@c... wrote:

John,
I have no life.
I had a dream last night about you trying to start your Gray.
It was kind of a cross between starting an engine and trying
to set off cannon. Lots of sparks and fire. In the dream
you finally got it going.
I'm very ignorant about the history and workings of internal
combustion engines. That book sounds great. I'll have to see
if I can can find it in our system.
The Brooks show was my first exposure to those engines.
And what an exposure. I think I could have spent hours
watching just one of them, trying to figure out how they
do all the amazing things they do.
Very cool.
"Cummins figures the IC engine reached maturity by then, further
development has just been refinement!"
That was what I told one of my fellow oglers at the show.
All the basics are there, just been refinements.
Wish I could put that book in "My library" but at $50, might
have to stick with the public library version for a while.
Only other brush with old engines was an antique John Deere
crawler tractor I borrowed to clear an old burned out mobile
home on our propery. (Previous owner's mobile home. Burned right
after they moved, and the insurance ran out. Pretty exciting
night.)
About D-2 size. It had only flyweel start. The guy that owned
it was a log truck driver, and strong as an ox, but I was sore
for days ater having to start it. Starters are one of the
"Refinements" I appreciate.

I accidentally ran into Roger Fletcher in the parking lot of the
Molalla Sentry Market. He was taking his Brand New Double
Ender home from Ray's. I could tell right away it was a
"Ray's" boat. He can build beautiful boats and this one is
exceptionally beautiful. I waited for Roger to come out, and
we had a long talk about boats. I went home and started following
the links on his page, and I think it was through one of them
I found your big page. Small world.

My wife Kay is an expert bailer. We lost our drain plug in
our 20' Rienell cabin boat on Detroit, and when I looked back
there was a foot of water in the back of the cockpit. She
grabbed a 5 gallon bucket, and we did not sink, but it was
pretty much the end of the old Volvo.
(Wanta buy another boat cheap? Pics in background of
Rapid Robert shots.)

Boats !#%*!

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon




--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Bryn-

I've got the original Int'l Marine edition of Old Marine Engines,

is your

the newer one from Devereux Books? I wonder if there's any

difference.

Grayson has written a two volume book about the history of marine

engines

(of all sizes) that looks like a good read, too bad it's so

expensive. :o(

http://www.devereuxbooks.com/html/marine_stationary_engines.html

An excellent book about the mechanics of old engines is Internal

Fire by

Lyle Cummins (of the Diesel Cumminses), printed by Carnot Press,

Lake

Oswego, 1976 (there should be a copy at the Eugene Library). It's

a

history

of the IC engine from 1673 to 1900 (Cummins figures the IC engine

reached

maturity by then, further development has just been refinement!).
One-lungers like my Gray, and the Atlantics and Acadias that were

built

until just a few years ago, are essentially 1890s technology, not

even

refined, though the Gray's jump spark ignition is pretty modern

for

1906

(when it was first built). BTW, it looks like Devereux Books has

reissued

Internal Fire! And also some other books by Cummins, including a

bio of his

dad, Clessie.

I got the plans for my shop into the city Tuesday, a very helpful

lady

there walked me through the process of applying for a permit. I

was

pleasantly surprised! The shop will have an open ceiling and I'll

be able

to store long lengths of wood on the beams. <g> The pitch of the

roof is

low though, so I won't be able to pile too much stuff up there.

I'm

getting excited about having a warm, dry place to work in the

winter, with

room to move around.

I should have a messbout when I first try the old launch in the

water, just

so I'll have lots of hands to bail! <g>

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:22:15 -0700, Bryn wrote:

...
I finished reading the one-lunger book, "Old Marine Engines" by

Stan

Grayson, It's a very interseting read, a bit long-winded when

it

comes to

specific histories of each company, and a bit thin on the

actual

mechanics

of the engine, but nonetheless, a very interesting treatise on

the

one-lunger.
...
Don't we all wish we had more storage space.
Can you imagine a shop with all the wood and fasteners just

waiting to be

used, no lines at Jerry's, no driving here and there. Ok so I

dream.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in light so

dim

he would not have chosen a suit by it. <Maurice

Chevalier>

Greetings from the sunny end of the state.
I've uploaded a picture of our Bolger Nymph with Son Greg & I taking it out
on it's maiden sail last year at Emigrant Lake. It and our battered,
free-from-a-neighbor aluminum canoe comprise our current fleet. We sold the
Cascade 29 when we left Portland 5 yrs ago. Have had the Nymph out only
once this year - not much water this summer so have been trying to keep the
property alive and haven't had the time to run to the mountains where the
lakes are still wet.

I'm on call this weekend so have to stay in town. But, with nothing else
planned, I'm heading out to the shop to work on my "$200 sailboat" - the
frames are cut and the sides panels are butted so think I'll do a little
gluing and screwing. As long as work doesn't call I should make some
progress. (Note to self: take off epoxy-coated gloves before answering
phone :)

Larry Barker
Talent, Oregon

John,
I have no life.
I had a dream last night about you trying to start your Gray.
It was kind of a cross between starting an engine and trying
to set off cannon. Lots of sparks and fire. In the dream
you finally got it going.
I'm very ignorant about the history and workings of internal
combustion engines. That book sounds great. I'll have to see
if I can can find it in our system.
The Brooks show was my first exposure to those engines.
And what an exposure. I think I could have spent hours
watching just one of them, trying to figure out how they
do all the amazing things they do.
Very cool.
"Cummins figures the IC engine reached maturity by then, further
development has just been refinement!"
That was what I told one of my fellow oglers at the show.
All the basics are there, just been refinements.
Wish I could put that book in "My library" but at $50, might
have to stick with the public library version for a while.
Only other brush with old engines was an antique John Deere
crawler tractor I borrowed to clear an old burned out mobile
home on our propery. (Previous owner's mobile home. Burned right
after they moved, and the insurance ran out. Pretty exciting
night.)
About D-2 size. It had only flyweel start. The guy that owned
it was a log truck driver, and strong as an ox, but I was sore
for days ater having to start it. Starters are one of the
"Refinements" I appreciate.

I accidentally ran into Roger Fletcher in the parking lot of the
Molalla Sentry Market. He was taking his Brand New Double
Ender home from Ray's. I could tell right away it was a
"Ray's" boat. He can build beautiful boats and this one is
exceptionally beautiful. I waited for Roger to come out, and
we had a long talk about boats. I went home and started following
the links on his page, and I think it was through one of them
I found your big page. Small world.

My wife Kay is an expert bailer. We lost our drain plug in
our 20' Rienell cabin boat on Detroit, and when I looked back
there was a foot of water in the back of the cockpit. She
grabbed a 5 gallon bucket, and we did not sink, but it was
pretty much the end of the old Volvo.
(Wanta buy another boat cheap? Pics in background of
Rapid Robert shots.)

Boats !#%*!

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon




--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Bryn-

I've got the original Int'l Marine edition of Old Marine Engines,

is your

the newer one from Devereux Books? I wonder if there's any

difference.

Grayson has written a two volume book about the history of marine

engines

(of all sizes) that looks like a good read, too bad it's so

expensive. :o(

http://www.devereuxbooks.com/html/marine_stationary_engines.html

An excellent book about the mechanics of old engines is Internal

Fire by

Lyle Cummins (of the Diesel Cumminses), printed by Carnot Press,

Lake

Oswego, 1976 (there should be a copy at the Eugene Library). It's a

history

of the IC engine from 1673 to 1900 (Cummins figures the IC engine

reached

maturity by then, further development has just been refinement!).
One-lungers like my Gray, and the Atlantics and Acadias that were

built

until just a few years ago, are essentially 1890s technology, not

even

refined, though the Gray's jump spark ignition is pretty modern for

1906

(when it was first built). BTW, it looks like Devereux Books has

reissued

Internal Fire! And also some other books by Cummins, including a

bio of his

dad, Clessie.

I got the plans for my shop into the city Tuesday, a very helpful

lady

there walked me through the process of applying for a permit. I was
pleasantly surprised! The shop will have an open ceiling and I'll

be able

to store long lengths of wood on the beams. <g> The pitch of the

roof is

low though, so I won't be able to pile too much stuff up there. I'm
getting excited about having a warm, dry place to work in the

winter, with

room to move around.

I should have a messbout when I first try the old launch in the

water, just

so I'll have lots of hands to bail! <g>

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:22:15 -0700, Bryn wrote:

...
I finished reading the one-lunger book, "Old Marine Engines" by

Stan

Grayson, It's a very interseting read, a bit long-winded when it

comes to

specific histories of each company, and a bit thin on the actual

mechanics

of the engine, but nonetheless, a very interesting treatise on the
one-lunger.
...
Don't we all wish we had more storage space.
Can you imagine a shop with all the wood and fasteners just

waiting to be

used, no lines at Jerry's, no driving here and there. Ok so I

dream.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in light so dim
he would not have chosen a suit by it. <Maurice Chevalier>

Bryn-

I've got the original Int'l Marine edition of Old Marine Engines, is your
the newer one from Devereux Books? I wonder if there's any difference.
Grayson has written a two volume book about the history of marine engines
(of all sizes) that looks like a good read, too bad it's so expensive. :o(

http://www.devereuxbooks.com/html/marine_stationary_engines.html

An excellent book about the mechanics of old engines is Internal Fire by
Lyle Cummins (of the Diesel Cumminses), printed by Carnot Press, Lake
Oswego, 1976 (there should be a copy at the Eugene Library). It's a history
of the IC engine from 1673 to 1900 (Cummins figures the IC engine reached
maturity by then, further development has just been refinement!).
One-lungers like my Gray, and the Atlantics and Acadias that were built
until just a few years ago, are essentially 1890s technology, not even
refined, though the Gray's jump spark ignition is pretty modern for 1906
(when it was first built). BTW, it looks like Devereux Books has reissued
Internal Fire! And also some other books by Cummins, including a bio of his
dad, Clessie.

I got the plans for my shop into the city Tuesday, a very helpful lady
there walked me through the process of applying for a permit. I was
pleasantly surprised! The shop will have an open ceiling and I'll be able
to store long lengths of wood on the beams. <g> The pitch of the roof is
low though, so I won't be able to pile too much stuff up there. I'm
getting excited about having a warm, dry place to work in the winter, with
room to move around.

I should have a messbout when I first try the old launch in the water, just
so I'll have lots of hands to bail! <g>

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Many a man has fallen in love with a girl in light so dim
he would not have chosen a suit by it. <Maurice Chevalier>

Pat-

The boat looks good. I'm beginning to think that if I ever got a drift boat
a Rapid Robert would suit me better than the typical modern variety. I
wouldn't be using it in challenging whitewater, and the RR is more suited
for use on flat water with a motor. But then a drift boat isn't high on my
boat priority list right now...

Nice fish!

The plans we found in our local libraries may be by Tom Kaarhus himself,
the building instructions have sort of a proprietary ring to them, or they
might have been put together by his son. If I remember the story correctly,
Kaarhus wanted a boat for amateur construction for an article in Popular
Mechanics (or another mag of the same ilk), so he came up with the boat
that came to be known as the Rapid Robert. The name was a last minute
addition to the article, possibly at the behest of the editors, and Kaarhus
apparently never mentioned why he chose it. It would be interesting to
compare the RR plans we have to the original article. I have no idea what
the relationship is between RR and the boats Kaarhus was building in his
shop at the time, but I'm guessing the RR was probably just variation.

There have been articles in Small Boat Journal and Wooden Boat about the
history of McKenzie River boats, and Roger Fletcher has a very nice Web
page on Oregon driftboats:

http://www.riverstouch.com/double-ender.html

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
I cannot help thinking that the people with motor boats miss a great deal.
If they would only keep to rowboats or canoes, and use oar or paddle...
they would get infinitely more benefit than by having their work done for
them by gasoline. <Theodore Roosevelt>

Oh, my mistake. Uh, probably not, for awhile anyway. Hopefully by
next summer I will be back to taking on projects. I have a lot of
home repair to do, etc., so we'll see. I would like to have
something to row around in next summer. May have to stick with the
ugly motorboat for awhile though.

John
Those are the same plans. I dumped mine.
Text is the same too. I do remember the other detail
drawings. Just like my boat. I know those plans work.
Thanks for the update. Those are better than the originals
I found in the library.

I made very few modifications, as everything seemed to be right.
I did make my rowing thwart adjustable (ala Ray Heater)using
galvanised water pipe and flanges. Also added another set of
oar lock sockets further aft for solo rowing. I would make the
thwart less deep for and aft when I build it again. The one in
there is the original fixed one, just cut off and modified.
Detail can be seen on
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/MembersBoats/Pat%
20Patteson%27s%20Boats/Rapid%20Robert/Rapid%20Robert-03-c.JPG
I also added and anchor system (again from Ray) and a block
attached to the bottom between my feet for pulling the anchor.
Forged oar locks and three 8 1/2 foot ash oars. (again from Ray)
Alway have 3 oars in a drift boat. Break one, or lose one,
and you are literaly "Up a creek". My spare stores neatly against
the inside. Never had to use it, but I'm glad it's there.

One major modification is that I eliminated most of the frames.
(He did what?) Makes for a clean "Floor".
I built mine over particle board forms and use the thwart
supports to take the loads the frames would have.
3/8 sides and 1/2 bottom with glass outside, and the very heavy
curved (box beam) of the gunwal and inwal stiffen it up.
I have not had any problems, and it has been abused.
I did knock a hole in the side when I hit a large rock, but
really not a hole, just cracked the veneer on the inside.
A little glass patch and it was OK again. Didn't even notice
it for a couple of months while I was giving it one of it's
rare washings.
Much cleaner inside without the bottom frames.

How do those plans compare to the original Kaarhus boat.

And, anybody got a guess on the vintage of the Johnson 15 on there.

Thanks again John, and if I were to build another drift boat,
it would be a Rapid Robert. Can't wear this one out though.

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon


--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Pat-

I went down to _my_ local library this afternoon and found what

they had

for the Rapid Robert, it turned out to be ten pages of poor

photocopies,

with no credit given to Tom Kaarhus. :o( The photocopies were

better than

yours anyway, the tops of frames 3 & 4 weren't cut off. <g> They

had the

plan in the reference section, so I had to copy it there, but the

library

copy machine worked pretty well, better than I expected. I brought

the

copies of the copies home, scanned them, cleaned them up, and put

them

here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/RapidRobert/

Now you don't have to force your wife to type those instructions; I

used

one of the marvels of the computer age: OCR.

Notice that I've made a BoatPlans folder in the files section for

sharing

study plans and what-not. We shouldn't use it for real, copyrighted

plans,

at least by living designers (or ones with active heirs like the

Atkinses

or Westy Farmer). I think the Rapid Robert is effectively in the

public

domain.

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are

the divinely

provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever they are on the

brink of

starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy send them a nice plump

missionary.

<Oscar Wilde>

Chris-

I meant: will you have time to build your (real) boat between changing
diapers? <g>

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
People say that life is the thing, but I prefer reading. <Logan Pearsall Smith>

Pat-

I went down to _my_ local library this afternoon and found what they had
for the Rapid Robert, it turned out to be ten pages of poor photocopies,
with no credit given to Tom Kaarhus. :o( The photocopies were better than
yours anyway, the tops of frames 3 & 4 weren't cut off. <g> They had the
plan in the reference section, so I had to copy it there, but the library
copy machine worked pretty well, better than I expected. I brought the
copies of the copies home, scanned them, cleaned them up, and put them
here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MessaboutW/files/BoatPlans/RapidRobert/

Now you don't have to force your wife to type those instructions; I used
one of the marvels of the computer age: OCR.

Notice that I've made a BoatPlans folder in the files section for sharing
study plans and what-not. We shouldn't use it for real, copyrighted plans,
at least by living designers (or ones with active heirs like the Atkinses
or Westy Farmer). I think the Rapid Robert is effectively in the public
domain.

--
John <jkohnen@boat-links.com>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Missionaries, my Dear! Don't you realize that missionaries are the divinely
provided food for destitute cannibals? Whenever they are on the brink of
starvation, Heaven in its infinite mercy send them a nice plump missionary.
<Oscar Wilde>

Yep that's me without brace. I took it off for the
Pic. I still Get to wear it for another couple of
months, but can take it off if I am careful.
I had a full beard that I had had for almost 30 years
befor the surgery. Had to go so they could see where to cut.
My Son had never seen my face.

Plans: Like it says, "What I found in the library."
That was it. A really poor photo copy with parts missing,
kind of stuffed in the boat building section. don't even
think the library knew it was there.
Glad it was though. I build a boat from it.
There is also a one page written instuctions, but it was
too poor to scan, so I will add it when Kay can retype it
and saw it in a text format.

How bout that "Fishing Machine" She's good. I just rows the
boat, and she catches the fish.

Pat Patteson
Molalla, Oregon

--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Pat-

Yep, that's you, big as life. How will we ever recognize you

without that

neckbrace? <g>

The plans for the Rapid Robert are kinda sparse, but there's enough

there

to build a boat. Except, that is, for the image with the middle

frames, you

managed to cut off the tops of a couple of them. Maybe I should

renew my

acquaintance with Tom Kaarhus's grandaughter Maurya, she's living

in Tom's

former house now, and Roger Fletcher (the guy who does the driftboat
models) said she stumbles upon interesting boat stuff there now and

then.

An old girlfriend of mine and Maurya used to be room-mates years

ago. Tom

was gone by then, but Maurya's dad would talk sometimes about

building

boats in the old shop by Williams Bakery.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:16:16 -0000, Pat wrote:

John
You got a picture of me and my wife Kay in your picture.
Bryn Thoms' Don Hill "Standard" driftboat. That's me
right over the transom. "The guy in the neckbrace."
...

--
John <jkohnen@b...>
http://www.boat-links.com/
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two

conditions:

1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>

--- In MessaboutW@y..., jhkohnen@b... wrote:

Chris-

Congratulations! But do you think you'll still have time to build a

boat?

;O)

Thanks! Hopefuly I will be done before the birth. Made some
significant progress last night. I think I have about a weeks worth
of work left, which I will manage to stretch to four, and be done
just in time. :)