Re: [MessaboutW] Re: red vs. white oak, Depoe Bay and froing


Yes, maybe we should try to add the dory event to the list of activities at
Depoe Bay. I'll tell all a bit about this.

I left my dory on the boat ramp, pulled up high and dry but not tied up. I
went to get the truck at the sea wall and bring it around to the boat ramp.
While at the seawall someone said, "hey isn't that your dory floating away?"
"uh oh". Anyway Scott grabbed the Challenger and he and I went out to bring
her home. Well this time at the boat ramp I tied her up and while doing so
realized my initial mistake, a gentle swell topped my knee boots. Ding
dong!, yeah we're on the coast now Bryn, and it may not look like waves are
coming in, but they sure were. I guess that's what happens to valley boys
like me that don't get out to the coast much.

Hey, John, this list serve is exactly what I needed to stray from work.
Good job. This is going to be like morning coffee and morning
constitutionals for me. A necessity

Thanks, Toad, for your info on Red oak, verses white oak. I have noticed
the difference at least with glueing properties between the two. So have
you actually been able to fro oak and creat decent lengths for say, ribs
about 4 to 5' in length. That sounds like a tough job. I imagine there
would be a fair amount of planing and bandsawing to clean it up.

Dorena sounds great. If we made a weekend out of it, we might be able to
make a short field trip to the Bohemia mining district, that's not boats,
but it's good history. What about Waldo? There's usually lots of wind and
always limited powerboats due to the 10 mph restriction. Gottagetbacktowork

-----Original Message-----
From: pateson@... [mailto:pateson@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:13 PM
To: MessaboutW@...
Subject: [MessaboutW] Re: Roseburg Hardwood Supplier

Thanks for all the help at DePoe Bay. I felt so useless see you and
my son Chad carrying my (I think it's actually his now) Folbot up
that ramp in the rain. I used to do that stuff when I was your
age, but now relegated to carrying life jackets. The torch is
passed to the next generation. May you do better thatn we did.
Your Dory event is going to be a regular.

I would Not use Red Oak for anything in a boat.
I build furniture for a living, and work with Red Oak all the time.
The difference is that Red Oak has hollow cells. You can actually
take a piece and blow bubbles through it just like a straw. Try it
sometime, it's kind of interesting.
You can imagine what water would do to it, unless you plan on
saturating the whole thing with epoxy.
White Oak is solid, not hollow.

Don't know exactly where you can get it, but I think even Oregon
White Oak would be better than green Red.

Might try one of the local small small sawmills, or check with
someone that has a mobile diminsional mill.
Also fire wood places. Might be able to build a boat of firewood.
Just get to it befor it gets cuts to leangths, and take it to a local
mill, or even a cabinet shop that has a large bandsaw.
Or if the pieces are small enough, use a fro and if it is green
should be able to spit it, and it will bend much stronger and better
than sawn.
Natural grain. Not cut across the grain.
What kind of leanths and diminsions to you need. I'll look around
here and see what I can find. We have several local small small
mills that could cut you what you want.

Pat (Toad) Patteson
Molalla, Oregon

--- In MessaboutW@y..., thoms.bryn@d... wrote:
Yes the runabout is outboard powered, I beleive the old add for the
has a 60 hp or maybe 70, which is a bit small for today's
standards. I
would like to have a Honda 4 stroke, 70 or something similar,
however it
will likely be more than I can afford and I'll have to go back to
wind and
human power. Speaking of, the photo's of Dexter are great. I got
the urge
to look for a nice sailing dory plan from the Gradner book after I
saw those
photos. Scott's got a nice looking boat, well they are all nice.
swampsoctt or Gunning, or possibly the Alpha beach comer is on my
list of
future boats.

When you mentioned a "land yacht" I imagined a sailing land yacht
like the
kind you find in the Alvord or Black Rock Desert. I have always
wanted to
build a wooden land yacht, gaff-rigged, and show up at one of the
land yacht
festivals with all the aluminum and fiberglass and high-tech gear.

Bytheway - Thanks Jack for the info on Hardwood. I haven't called
prices of green (red) oak yet, but I do know that at Cross-cut in
the price is $1.75 a board foot. Which is half the price of the
oak, special order, though. I believe that is red oak and from my
experience with boat construction, I think the white oak is
supposed to be
superior to the red for steam bending. We'll see.

-----Original Message-----
From: jhkohnen@b... [mailto:jhkohnen@b...]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:14 PM
To: MessaboutW@y...
Subject: Re: [MessaboutW] Roseburg Hardwood Supplier


Sounds like a good project. When you mentioned a free "cruiser" I
a big cabin cruiser or oceangoing sailboat! <g> A 16' runabout is a
manageable project.

I've got a confession to make too; I bought a motorboat myself last
"for practical reasons" I told my GF, but she laughed. Actually,
do have some utility even for a messing about sort of person. I got
for going places far from the launch ramp (like much of Coos Bay),
or where
there's a lot of tide or current, or maybe chasing around taking
I guess the need wasn't all that pressing, because I still haven't
got it
into the water. <g> The engine (Merc 250) started up with just a
few pulls
and sounded real good, but it didn't pump any water. It turns out
that old
Mercs' water pumps live way up in the leg and require a special
tool for
extraction, and even with the tool you can't always get them out! :o
( So,
I'm looking for an OMC 25. The trouble is that I don't really _like_
motorboats much (except quite low powered ones), despite their
utility, so
I haven't been looking very hard. The boat is a 16' 1962 Crestliner;
aluminum and rough looking but with nice lines.

Good luck with your project! Is your runabout outboard powered?

On Wed, 23 May 2001 20:37:38 -0000, Bryn Thoms wrote:
I'll tell you a bit about this project, I'm pretty excited about
and I love talking boats. Also, John wanted to hear more about
project. I really got into banks dorys and other New England
dories and small craft in general that do not require a
engine for propulsion, so this project I'm doing is a bit not
me, but nonetheless, I still get excited about it. It is a
restoration/rennovation project of a 1960's Cruiser's Inc. 16'
runabout. I think it's the utility of the runabout that get's me

John <jkohnen@b...>
Nobody ought to wear a Greek fisherman's hat unless they meet two
1. He is a Greek
2. He is a Fisherman <Roy Blount Jr.>

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